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Some Phillies Links For You, October 18, 2010: Roy > Roy, Big Fat Mets Fan, Learning Brown

Phillies Notebook: Manuel shifts gears in Phillies batting order
Well that seemed to work out didn't it? Chase Utley batted second and the world didn't end!

The Phillies Files : Now that takes guts
Not much else to say about watching Roy Oswalt blow through that stop sign, other than it was really fun to watch.

In tight spots, Giants skipper Bochy fits right in
Overall, the Giants are a much harder-to-hate opponent than the Dodgers, and that includes Bruce Bochy over Joe Torre.

Blanton to pitch Game 4
From the department of "no news."

300-pound Mets fan sued after falling on woman
Must be a typo, they surely meant "Phillies fan," because there's no way anyone but a Phillies fan would behave in that manner.

Photo: Phillies fans ease up with signs behind Giants dugout - Big League Stew
/shaking my head

Now a Giant, Burrell still fond of Philly
His booth at Delilah's was waiting for him.

Cliff Lee a tall task for Yankees in Game 3, but Bombers are confident with Andy Pettitte on mound
I can't wait for the talk radio/Philly.com comment section hysteria if Cliff Lee has a shutdown game tonight.

Brown finds right tutor in right field

"(Werth is) like a big brother toward me," Brown said. "It’s been unbelievable to get to work with a guy of his standards and his resume. … Every single day, he’s come up to me with something to look forward to or something to work on."

Adorbs!

Cody Ross' power surge recalls Gene Tenace in '72
Gene Tenace... WHAMMY!!

The Fightins - Joe Buck is a whore
If you hate Joe Buck, and you love obscenity-laden rants, then this is for you!

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Great caption WC

Indeed, a face born to slap


 with the loader bucket of a backhoe

by j reed on Oct 18, 2010 8:53 AM EDT reply actions  

Is that Oswalt’s?

http://www.thegoodphight.com

by WholeCamels on Oct 18, 2010 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Holy Fuckin' Tonka Truck

When I heard tractor and dozer in the same sentence, I thought he got a tractor with a mini-bucket or a at the very most a Bobcat but this thing is a real honest- to-god backhoe. Quite a kidney-breaker .

With this beauty, you could also drive over CFR’s car repeatedly and then push it into his living room…whoops garage . And if he has a pool, it’s gettin ’ filled with dirt.

by j reed on Oct 18, 2010 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's not a backhoe.

It’s a bulldozer, tractor, or, more properly, a “track-type tractor.”

Caterpillar D6N. It weighs 37,000 pounds.

by Phrozen on Oct 18, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually there are dozers custom fit with backhoes. Did some hardfacing on one of these years ago. Most commom though is the backhoe tractor which is a tractor (with tires) outfitted with a shovel/bucket and a backhoe. This makes move sense for farm work than a straight – up dozer which just rips and pushes earth. Maybe Roy has a stand alone backhoe and just has some heavy machinery fetish. Or he got pissed when Tonka went all small with lots of plastic.. I was. I wanted to get one for my little cousin a few years back. Not the same these days. I loved my Tonkas (still have the fire engine and dump truck). Indestructable.

by j reed on Oct 18, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I still have scars from when my Brother and I decided to hit each other in the head with our Tonka dumptrucks.

by Cormican on Oct 18, 2010 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I had a cousin who has a cannon for an arm and when she’d get pissed she’d just hurl tonkas at you.

by j reed on Oct 18, 2010 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, we weren’t pissed. Just stupid.

by Cormican on Oct 18, 2010 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

CFR is like a little prancing leprechaun. Just….so….irritating…

Now I know how the rest of the league feels about Victorino, I guess. It seems like he’s the most universally hated Phillie.

☸ Do not take the finger for the moon. ☸

by RememberthePhitans on Oct 18, 2010 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

The best part of that that Joe Buck rant is the first comment

Adam Eaton says:
October 18, 2010 at 12:10 am
Joe Buck. The only person I hate more than myself.

by j reed on Oct 18, 2010 8:58 AM EDT reply actions  

I bet that’s actually Adam Eaton, continuing to taunt all of us and laughing his ass off as he enjoys his millions of dollars.

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by RememberthePhitans on Oct 18, 2010 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Did Joe really say that Pat Burrell was never really appreciated in Philly? Is he f***ing kidding me?!?

Did he think he was still covering the Eagles-Redskins game?

Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est.

by doubleh on Oct 18, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah that was bad.

Not that Pat ever really deserved to be booed, but the ratio of boos over the number of things he did that would normally be booed in other players was remarkably low.

by taco pal on Oct 18, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

It took a long time for Philly to boo Pat at all and even on Saturday night there were still loads of people in the stands that admonished those booing Pat, saying “he’s our boy, you don’t boo our boy”.

Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est.

by doubleh on Oct 18, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

I went Saturday night, and:

a) applauded in the pre-game introductions.
b) booed lustily after that, but in an ironic kind of way that was probably lost to the radio and TV audience at home.

by Wet Luzinski on Oct 18, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think what some people don’t understand, particularly in the media, is that much like laughs, there are all different kinds of boos. There are subtle differences in them, but they are their own form of language. There’s the
1) sarcastic boo, also known as “Bronx cheer,” (seriously, why do those aholes get the good boo? This was the boo Wagner got when the radar guy didn’t read 100, but Billy was too stupid to understand it)
2) the pure evil guy boo (for dirty players and John Lannan)
3) the this guy kills us and we hate him because he scares us (Crosby, McCann, etc.)
4) obligation boo (Burrell—don’t really want to boo him but feel we have to b/c he’s no longer a Phillie)
5) hurry-up already boo (numerous throws to first, coaching visits to mound, Bob Apodaca)
There’s probably more, but as you can see, not all boos were created equal.

Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est.

by doubleh on Oct 18, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

You forgot the you-suck boo (Jose Mesa, Paul Abbott, Turk Wendell, Roberto Hernandez, …)

by Rujasu on Oct 18, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

What sort of boo is the jd drew boo?

by SportingFanaticism on Oct 18, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

The “we’re all booing but we don’t know why anymore” boo? Scott Rolen falls into this category as well.

Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est.

by doubleh on Oct 18, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

this is like eskimoes and snowflakes.

by Wet Luzinski on Oct 18, 2010 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I liked this point
48. ScottGraham says:
October 18, 2010 at 12:59 pm
Also, do you think Jeffery Lurie has a button in his office that he presses when it’s time to signal the Fox broadcast booth to start talking about the Eagles? It sucks that if we want to go back and rewatch this game on mlb.tv’s archives, we’d always be stuck having to hear about some mediocre Eagles team that nobody will care about.

not for the tin-hatt’d button part, but for the mediocre Eagles team part.

by Wet Luzinski on Oct 18, 2010 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

That "mediocre" team

just waxed a 4-1 falcons team up and down the field on sunday. Just saying.

by PhilsForever on Oct 18, 2010 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I believe that was his point?

by SportingFanaticism on Oct 18, 2010 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Was it?

I read it as he was supporting the guy’s argument about a mediocre team…I must have read it wrong.

by PhilsForever on Oct 18, 2010 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

The NFC is mediocre this year

by SportingFanaticism on Oct 18, 2010 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Football is pretty mediocre this year in general.

Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est.

by doubleh on Oct 18, 2010 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

And who doesn’t love obscenity-laden rants?

Timeless, but with a twist.

Priceless.

☸ Do not take the finger for the moon. ☸

by RememberthePhitans on Oct 18, 2010 9:03 AM EDT reply actions  

“Terry Crowley’s lucky he’s in f*cking baseball….Alice Sweet should be more concerned with where her next lay is gonna come from…”

by WanderingMoses on Oct 18, 2010 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

I truly yearn for the day when there are signs like this (esp the Hey Pat,…). As it stood, the HEY PAT…ELVIS ROOTS FOR THE PHILLIES was my one true highlight from Friday night.

In a footnotesque kind of way, I was mildly amused with the Lincecum wolf whistles from all around the park, as they took on a pathetic quality with the crowd as big and quiet as it was, kind of like a dsythymic construction site.

by Wet Luzinski on Oct 18, 2010 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

those whistles were not exactly a high point of Phillies fandom, although I suppose their sparseness and relative tameness are progress of a sort.

by perfectdepth on Oct 18, 2010 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

We all thought they were hilarious at the ball park.

Phillies- Off to the NLCS
Eagles- Just as good as the rest of league, but they are slow starters

by bdawk4ever on Oct 18, 2010 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

making fun of a man with long hair for looking vaguely like a woman is the highest form of comedy, I’m sure.

by perfectdepth on Oct 18, 2010 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

It is actually. But that’s my sense of humor.

Phillies- Off to the NLCS
Eagles- Just as good as the rest of league, but they are slow starters

by bdawk4ever on Oct 18, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

I thought the whistles were funny personally, but the game itself was so wrist-slitting depressing at the time I was looking for any reason to be happy. And he looks more than vaguely like a woman.

Everyone knows how I feel about Cody Ross. Multiply that now by 1000.

Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est.

by doubleh on Oct 18, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

If we play the Yankees and Sabathia pitches at CBP, people need to hold up signs containing only simply-drawn pictures of cheeseburgers or french fries. The signs should have no words.

by taco pal on Oct 18, 2010 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

While I do love that picture, I think subtlety is the way to go with signs. You don’t want the sign to be too busy.

by taco pal on Oct 18, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Isolate the burger with feet and sabathia, not so tough

by SportingFanaticism on Oct 18, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

How lowbrow, to jest at a man's dietary failings.

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by victor frankenstein on Oct 18, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Honestly, it took me until about the 4th inning of game 2 to notice fat panda wasn’t starting.

by SportingFanaticism on Oct 18, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I breathe a sigh of relief when I see he isn't.

However, because he was able to actually get his bat to touch a baseball twice in an AB last night I fear he will now be featured in the Seventh Inning Parade Of Benchwarmers, along with the usual Schierikawas (Schierholtzes and Ishikawas).

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by victor frankenstein on Oct 18, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fontenot didn’t help his cause with 2 errors last night (even if one was ruled a hit). Not that Fat Panda is a Gold Glover or what have you, but, another game like last night and my high fantasy draft pick 3rd baseman may end up starting again.

by Cormican on Oct 18, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

And he’s finally convinced that unleashing the Panda, overweight and undisciplined but capable of doing damage, gives the Giants their best chance to win.

So, according to Steve Henson it’s a done deal.
Steve, when’s the Big One going to hit? I’m tired of this long – assed drive to the beach.

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by victor frankenstein on Oct 18, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow...talk about an embarassing face-plant !

What did he trip over?
It looks like just his own 2 feet?

by woodyj on Oct 18, 2010 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would also pretend to be injured if that happened to me.

by Cormican on Oct 18, 2010 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dsythymic …the carpenter had to google that one. We’re not all like that. Though, I’ve worked on many a crew that are.

by j reed on Oct 18, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

didn’t help that I misspelled it, sorry: dysthymic.

by Wet Luzinski on Oct 18, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

No problem toots. Just pick up my Paxil prescription after ya get my coffee.

What’s odd is there’s probably way more or at least the possibility for more sexual harassment in an office environment than a construction site, other than the inane leering and cat calls…there’s hardly any women on a site. The only woman who ever worked with us was our rugby playing tile setter sub who coulda kicked all of our asses.

by j reed on Oct 18, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

also

the guy with the Union sweatshirt makes me think that Philadelphia fandom has spawned a special attack squadron this year.

by Wet Luzinski on Oct 18, 2010 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

SOBs are everywhere, man…

Honor is no substitute for victory.

by The Dark on Oct 18, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

OT

I posted this last night during the game thread, but I’m reposting it here.

Last night I had to watch 3 sports drama movies for class and then write a paper on one of the movies. I watched Miracle, Eight Men Out and Rudy.

If you could watch 3 sports drama movies, what would you watch?

by JLS89 on Oct 18, 2010 9:16 AM EDT reply actions  

As posted last night: Hoosiers, Victory, The Natural.

I hhhhhhaaaated Field of Dreams because something about Kevin Costner just wants to make me vomit. Also, I really, really hate the phrasing of “You wanna have a catch?” because it is just so wrong. The emotional climax of the movie is therefore causing me annoyance, which ruins the flick.

I understand that some people like it that way (“….have a catch…”), but some people like 2 Girls 1 Cup, too, and that doesn’t make it right.

☸ Do not take the finger for the moon. ☸

by RememberthePhitans on Oct 18, 2010 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

While I liked Field of Dreams when I first saw it, I later read Shoeless Joe and realized how much that book had gotten a Hollywood rape job.

by Wet Luzinski on Oct 18, 2010 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

this is true.

my favorite Kinsella book is The Iowa Baseball Confederacy, though. love the Garcia Marquez–via–Midwestern minor league baseball vibe.

by perfectdepth on Oct 18, 2010 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Dom DeLillo’s novelette Pafko at the Wall, which he reissued as chapter 1 of Underworld, is maybe the best bit of baseball fiction I’ve read.

by Wet Luzinski on Oct 18, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

White Noise is possibly one of the hradest books I ever read

by SportingFanaticism on Oct 18, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wasn’t it the other way around? Chapter 1 reissued as the stand-alone story?

by yolacrary on Oct 18, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pretty sure DeLillo first ran Pafko in the Atlantic, which is where I saw it.

by Wet Luzinski on Oct 18, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ah, fair enough. Though I imagine it was never not intended for the novel, but no matter.

by yolacrary on Oct 18, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hoop Dreams is, of course, a documentary, but for my money it’s got more drama than just about any other sports film.

a few others:
Fear Strikes Out, biopic about Red Sox OF Jimmy Piersall (Anthony Perkins) and his bipolar disorder
Bang the Drum Slowly, about a catcher (young Robert DeNiro) who’s diagnosed with cancer
Sugar, about a Dominican baseball player trying to work his way through the minor leagues

by perfectdepth on Oct 18, 2010 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Those were all on my list when I was focusing on baseball dramas. Hopefully I’ll be able to watch them soon.

by JLS89 on Oct 18, 2010 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hoop

This. Hoop Dreams is so good I can hardly stand it.

Question: Has there ever been a truly good movie made about tennis?

http://www.thegoodphight.com

by WholeCamels on Oct 18, 2010 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wimbledon?

It’s not like there’s much choice, which is surprising – you could make a heck of a movie off Johnny Mac.

Honor is no substitute for victory.

by The Dark on Oct 18, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

I like wimbledon for what it was but that’s cause I like Paul Bettany

by SportingFanaticism on Oct 18, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

There was that table tennis movie a few years ago with Christopher Walken. Does that count?

by taco pal on Oct 18, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Haha, Balls of Fury. Excellent.

by essman on Oct 18, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, Sly Stallone and his beautiful French Underground love interest playing a doubles-to-the-death matchup against his Nazi captors/tormentors was a missed Hollywood opportunity.

by Wet Luzinski on Oct 18, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

documentaries

When We Were Kings was pretty great, even though it was much too hagiographic.

Have people been watching the 30 for 30 documentaries? Pretty hit-or-miss, but some have been very good.

by taco pal on Oct 18, 2010 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'll give ESPN their props on this one.

Even the misses have been pretty good watches. And the really good ones (Run, Ricky, Run; The one on Terry Fox; the one on the Yugoslavian Basketball team and the Bosnian wars) have been very powerful and insightful.

by Cormican on Oct 18, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Breaking Away is one of my all-time favorite movies. I don’t know if it’s really a sports movie though.

Pessimism of the intellect, optimism of the will.

by FuquaManuel on Oct 18, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sure it is, both versions :)

by SportingFanaticism on Oct 18, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah. It’s really a fantastic movie.

Pessimism of the intellect, optimism of the will.

by FuquaManuel on Oct 18, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

“Not Fellini.” Ha, classic!

Pessimism of the intellect, optimism of the will.

by FuquaManuel on Oct 18, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Way under the radar but noteable in its choice of subject matter (to say nothing of its cast) is The Bingo Long-Travelling All-Stars and Motor Kings.

by Wet Luzinski on Oct 18, 2010 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

But too funny to be considered a darma?

HBO has a great made for HBO Movie with Delroy Lindo about Gibson/Satchel and Jackie, I forget the name

by SportingFanaticism on Oct 18, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Rookie (is awful I know)
The Natural
AMazing Grace & CHuck

by SportingFanaticism on Oct 18, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Rookie is classic Disney-cheese, but I liked it overall solely because of one moment: when he walks into the Rangers clubhouse and the camera pans over all the jerseys and then walks onto the field and sees it open up before him. I thought they captured that one sequence really well.

by taco pal on Oct 18, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

That was quite good, but movies with ‘father son’ bonding moments like The Natural (or Field of Dreams) always get me for my own personal issues.

by SportingFanaticism on Oct 18, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

I liked The Rookie

I echo your comments, and would add the scene just before, when he first walks through the gates into the ballpark earlier in the day, with the cathedral-like pillars casting long shadows over the empty concourse.

by phatj on Oct 18, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

There was a Babe Ruth movie with John Goodman as the babe, and Kelly McGillis as the dancer he has an affair with…can’t remember the name of the movie.

by woodyj on Oct 18, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would second Hoop Dreams. I’m also a sucker for Brian’s Song. I think Raging Bull would be #3 for me.

by Cormican on Oct 18, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh shit

To the extent that “Raging Bull” is a sports film, absolutely my #1.

http://www.thegoodphight.com

by WholeCamels on Oct 18, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I almost answered “On the Waterfront”, then I realized I’d really, really be stretching the definition.

by Cormican on Oct 18, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Raging Bull was awe-inspiring. Th film sequences were just nuts, especially given the limited means that they had at the time to make them.

☸ Do not take the finger for the moon. ☸

by RememberthePhitans on Oct 18, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Raging Bull stands all by itself. Makes me unable to think of any others.

by essman on Oct 18, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

That and 8 eight men out but Raging Bull is high just among movies in general. It’s a masterpiece

by j reed on Oct 18, 2010 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess I need to give Raging Bull another try. I gave up on it after about 1/2 hour the one time I tried to watch it.

by phatj on Oct 18, 2010 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well that’s what makes art. great. I really just don’t see what the big whoop is with Cezanne or Matisse. Intellectually and in a art historical context I do but their work just doesn’t do it for me.

by j reed on Oct 18, 2010 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think someone might have mentioned this last night: Chariots of Fire, which is very uplifting as well as informative.
I always enjoy The Natural. Even though it differs from the novel version it makes for a great story – and I love how Malamud took the Phillies Eddie Waitkus as his model for Roy Hobbs.
And Bang the Drum Slowly, based on another great novel, by Mark Harris, and its great final line: From here on in, I rag nobody.

by phillyinportland on Oct 18, 2010 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Chariots of Fire was an awesome movie hamstrung by a great theme. Everyone remembers the music and loses a fabulous movie.

☸ Do not take the finger for the moon. ☸

by RememberthePhitans on Oct 18, 2010 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eight Men Out is my all time favorite, but close second is The Natural. I also liked Seabiscuit, but then my stepmother trained horses and whatnot.

Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est.

by doubleh on Oct 18, 2010 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wish I had found this for Ryan Madson earlier in the year. The 9th inning graphics last night made me think of it:

http://docsouth.unc.edu/true/mss04-05/mss04-05.html

☸ Do not take the finger for the moon. ☸

by RememberthePhitans on Oct 18, 2010 9:21 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

This is wonderfully hilarious. FEAR THE TOE HAIR

by Wet Luzinski on Oct 18, 2010 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

I HATE CABLEVISION!!!!

Sorry, just had to be said.

"Call me dumb, call me stupid, whatever. I block shots."

by boknows71 on Oct 18, 2010 9:49 AM EDT reply actions  

Yeah I saw that on the news this morning, NYC and Philly don’t get FOX at the moment?

by SportingFanaticism on Oct 18, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

No, for once in my life I actually wished to be the series on TBS.

"Call me dumb, call me stupid, whatever. I block shots."

by boknows71 on Oct 18, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Via Cablevision at least. I have Comcast in greater NYC market and I have no problems.

http://www.thegoodphight.com

by WholeCamels on Oct 18, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

What’s it like to have a choice of cable company…?:)

by SportingFanaticism on Oct 18, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

I love how the Mets defense against the charge that they should have escorted fatty out of the stadium and stopped serving him beer was “hey, everybody else was super drunk and obnoxious too.” Are we sure this was the Mets and not the Phillies? Perhaps we should convene a round table with Skip Bayless moderating a discussion of his personally chosen commentators on the issue. I’m sure that will be unbiased.

Let the beasting begin.

by TransplantedFan on Oct 18, 2010 10:09 AM EDT reply actions  

300 lb guy who fell on the woman...

Could not have been a Phillies fan.
He didn’t vomit or get Tasered.

by woodyj on Oct 18, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Couldn’t have been a Phillies fan because fat Phillies fans can’t stand up in the first place.

Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est.

by doubleh on Oct 18, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

He didn't boo Santa Claus

Couldn’t have been a Phillies fan

by woodyj on Oct 18, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey! We don't always boo Santa Claus.

I was gonna boo him yesterday, but I was too busy throwing batteries and vomiting. I’ll get around to it today, I promise.

by Phrozen on Oct 18, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

BED WETTER dude looks like a cardboard cutout.

by taco pal on Oct 18, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

I have to say, I like the apology and the correction of HIPPIE.

by Wet Luzinski on Oct 18, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ve seen a bunch of these today… is this a new meme that I wasn’t informed about?

The guy with the Wife Cheats sign looks familiar. I can’t figure out if he’s “somebody” or if maybe I know him or someone who looks like him personally.

by phatj on Oct 18, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Courtesy of Lookout Landing

Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry

by jctGamer on Oct 18, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have always thought Joe Buck would hold it in his mouth till the swelling went down.

I wasn't even a year old but I stayed up to be outside the Vet with my Dad and Mom when the Phillies won the World Series 1980.

by Christopher A on Oct 18, 2010 10:13 AM EDT reply actions  

Time for Cody to pee in the cup.

by Vaughn Haze on Oct 18, 2010 10:29 AM EDT reply actions  

WTF is going on with all this whining about Ryan Howard attending the Eagles game? I totally hate these pseudo-scandals and the morons who feed them.

by taco pal on Oct 18, 2010 10:33 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Guess who jumped all over that on my ride in? Angelo and the Morning Team.

I wish Mike and Mike weren’t so Mike and Mike-like.

"Ninety percent of this game is half mental" - Yogi Berra (SI, May 14, 1979)

by bandwagonesque on Oct 18, 2010 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I caught a few minutes of his act too, that’s what prompted me. Those guys are so predictable. I don’t know who’s worse: Cataldi for being such a cynical bulls**t artist, or Hughes for being dumb enough to actually believe the bulls**t and get outraged about it.

by taco pal on Oct 18, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh come on – you had to know that was coming right? I’m just glad the Phanatics ATV din’t tip over

by SportingFanaticism on Oct 18, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Trimmer RH = more even weight distribution

"Ninety percent of this game is half mental" - Yogi Berra (SI, May 14, 1979)

by bandwagonesque on Oct 18, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

I didn’t, because I didn’t see the Eagles game.

by taco pal on Oct 18, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

This was also the sub-topic of conversation.

by Wet Luzinski on Oct 18, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey, what is he supposed to do before game time?
Chew his fingernails and get nervous?
Some sports, you improve performance by psyching yourself our of your mind, or channelling some inner rage.
Baseball…you need a strong but controlled performance. What a lot of people need is focus or even calm to play at their best.

by woodyj on Oct 18, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Game prep is personal. I have very few friends from my years of playing Lacrosse because I never talked to anyone before games or during half time and usually stood off to the side by myself working through things. I always envied the other Goalie who could joke around and jump in the cage and play well at a moment’s notice, but that wasn’t my style. If hanging at the Eagles games works like that for Howard, I’ll buy him tickets to every damned game through the end of the World Series.

by Cormican on Oct 18, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good idea

Next Sunday Eagles play in Nashville. I know because two of my sons will be there. Then there’s a bye. So, I guess he could see the game in Nashville if the Phillies have wrapped up the LCS by Saturday. Let’s hope it comes to that. :)

by phillyinportland on Oct 18, 2010 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hmm. Eagles game’s at 1. First pitch is at 8. Around a two-hour flight… Maybe he could just stay for the first half.

by taco pal on Oct 18, 2010 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

The whole kerfuffle is weird to me even outside of the simple principle of the thing. I mean, I could anticipate it if Howard had a sombrero or something like that, but he had some incredible at-bats against some tough lefties, and even had some success to show for it. I understand that there’s no causal link between Howard at the Eagles game and his subsequent performance, but if Philly sports radio thinks there is a link, why complain about a positive performance?

by Trev223 on Oct 18, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m willing to bet they found something to complain about regarding the eagles thrashing of what was considered one of the ‘better’ NFC teams yesterday :)

by SportingFanaticism on Oct 18, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha, true enough. Inanity springs eternal.

by Trev223 on Oct 18, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think the outrage (or faux-outrage) was more from yesterday afternoon. This morning, they almost sounded a little disappointed that Howard had done well, as in “he’s so lucky he didn’t get a sombrero.” They were also trying to take CSN to task because people were twittering about it, but CSN considered it to be a non-story and didn’t make a stink about it. “Who are you to say it’s a non-story if the fans clearly think it’s a non-story??” yada yada.

by taco pal on Oct 18, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

The latter complaint is one of the worst. Honestly, if I never have to hear another story justified based on the interest of a dozen-plus fans egged on by talk radio, it’ll be too soon. Good on CSN.

by Trev223 on Oct 18, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed. That’s all we need – the ‘Dirty 30’ determining what gets on the front page and what doesn’t. This same type of thinking leads to the “Athlete X doesn’t support the fans” logical fallacy when Athlete X doesn’t feel like talking to the press/talk radio.

"Ninety percent of this game is half mental" - Yogi Berra (SI, May 14, 1979)

by bandwagonesque on Oct 18, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, I HATE it when they do that. You’d think the local sports media was full of Woodwards and Bernsteins, the way the radio guys talk when they this kind of garbage.

Cataldi and Missanelli are the worst in this regard. They do this constantly and are very explicit about it. “He is attacking the representative of the fans! This is an attack on YOU!”

by taco pal on Oct 18, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m surprised they didn’t just go on and on about Vick showing up late to the game even though Andy Reid explicity told him he could do it. It’s not a wonder there are so many things going wrong with our society, considering we expend way too much energy on things that mean nothing when we could be putting it to much better use.

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by doubleh on Oct 18, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

The ‘experts’ on the various network postgame shows all found that fishy – i’m surprised that the radio didn’t pick up on it more.

It’s would be more believable from reid if he had told folks vick had permission to show up late before, you know, he showed up late and reid got traction on it :)

by SportingFanaticism on Oct 18, 2010 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

They did. They were explicitly accusing Reid of lying, from what I heard.

by taco pal on Oct 18, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

The ESPN ’NFC East Blogger" finds it suspicious as well.

I don’t know that it’s suspicious – but it seems weird to me

by SportingFanaticism on Oct 18, 2010 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Fix Your Teeth sign was hilarious

We were rolling at the Bank.

Phillies- Off to the NLCS
Eagles- Just as good as the rest of league, but they are slow starters

by bdawk4ever on Oct 18, 2010 10:39 AM EDT reply actions  

Yeah I’m dying here.

http://www.thegoodphight.com

by WholeCamels on Oct 18, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

There really needs to be a Sign Czar to coordinate these things. The fans who are bringing their own signs just don’t have what it takes upstairs.

by taco pal on Oct 18, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think the funniest sign of all of these was the one from last year that just said “THIS GUY STINKS” with an arrow. If you can’t be witty, at least be blunt.

by taco pal on Oct 18, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

The sign I’ll always remember is the one for Bonds at the Vet “Ruth did it on hot dogs and beer”. Loved, loved, loved that sign.

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by doubleh on Oct 18, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

completion

needs “and the Color Line.”

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by WholeCamels on Oct 18, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes.

Pessimism of the intellect, optimism of the will.

by FuquaManuel on Oct 18, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

In general, I usually think people who bring signs to games are kind of attention grabbing whores unless they are really, really funny. There was a woman who sat a few rows up from us who stood between every single fracking inning holding a “Smooch for Chooch” sign and I wanted to beat her with it.

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by doubleh on Oct 18, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

You should have smooched her.

by Phrozen on Oct 18, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, and I feel the need to reiterate

I HATE YOU, CODY ROSS! With the white hot intensity of 1000 suns. Seriously, go join the rodeo. Please.

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by doubleh on Oct 18, 2010 11:09 AM EDT reply actions  

Looks like an Amish zombie. Must. Be. Destroyed.

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by doubleh on Oct 18, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well done TP. Does Cody Ross work on a beet farm in his spare time?

"Call me dumb, call me stupid, whatever. I block shots."

by boknows71 on Oct 18, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

That is Ken Tremendous of FJM, in case anyone didn’t know.

Pessimism of the intellect, optimism of the will.

by FuquaManuel on Oct 18, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I did, just also think he looks like “Mose” from the Office (US).

Either way he’s a douchey thorn in our side.

"Call me dumb, call me stupid, whatever. I block shots."

by boknows71 on Oct 18, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Buck

I have no particular love or even any real hate for Joe Buck, but there was one moment last night where I actually appreciated his smarmy snark. McCarver was dissecting the Rollins pop-up that Fontenot decided not to catch. Really, really dissecting it. Beating it to death actually. On and on about how Sanchez should be directing traffic and how the Dodgers used to do it, blah, blah, blah. And Buck just goes, “Or Sanchez could have taken two steps forward off the mound and caught the ball.”

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by Chris Haines on Oct 18, 2010 11:15 AM EDT reply actions  

It sure looked like Sanchez directed traffic from where I was sitting in the stadium (with a perfect view – between home and third) and that Fontenot just didn’t listen/execute.

by David S. Cohen on Oct 18, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Buck did have a point though – why can’t the pitcher catch the damn ball? Are pitchers considered to be retarded?

by SportingFanaticism on Oct 18, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

All other things being equal, you’d prefer to have someone else do it because (1) even if the pitcher is not retarded, a fielder should be even less so, and (2) it is actually much easier than you would think for a person running off a mound while looking up in the air to trip and fall over.

by taco pal on Oct 18, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

And it REALLLLLY should have been an error on Fontenot. Not a hit.

by Phrozen on Oct 18, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or Sanchez for not directing traffic, but if that happened in right center, they’d rule it an error.

by Cormican on Oct 18, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha, Rollins was probably like, “see, I knew if I did it enough times I would eventually get a basehit out of it”

by philiafan14364 on Oct 18, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

It looked like he was saying “Font, Font, Font” followed by something else, but in a loud away ballpark he should be yelling it, and it’s possible Fontenot just didn’t hear Sanchez directing traffic. To TP’s point below, I agree, but that ball was in the air so long, I could have walked up from Raleigh and made the catch. It’s not like Sanchez had to rush to get to it, he could have leisurely walked forward and snagged it.

by Cormican on Oct 18, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah. I liked that moment too. For some reason it reminded me of that scene in one of the Indiana Jones movies where that guy is swinging his sword around getting ready to fight Indy and Indy just pulls his gun out and shoots him. I have a strange mind.

Pessimism of the intellect, optimism of the will.

by FuquaManuel on Oct 18, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

That is even better for it’s back story (so to speak). It was supposed to be a big fight scene, but Ford had the s**ts so he just shot him and went back to the port-a-john.

by Cormican on Oct 18, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Charlie's quote on Roy blowing the stop sign
“I’d say go for it. What the hell are we going to do, rope him? I’m not a cowboy. I may look like one and talk like one, but I’m not one.”

Classic. If he could, I would hope he would rope Cody Ross first.

Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est.

by doubleh on Oct 18, 2010 12:41 PM EDT reply actions  

definitely going in the inevitable “Chollyisms” book, coming out sometime in 2013.

by perfectdepth on Oct 18, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

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probably the best moment in the game

by Off_The_Hook on Oct 18, 2010 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

this one is a little more clear

by Off_The_Hook on Oct 18, 2010 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s rape, dude.

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by RememberthePhitans on Oct 18, 2010 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Funny, but completely unrec’able.

by Cormican on Oct 18, 2010 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good game last night for the Phils...

Giants did what they needed to do in getting a split…would have loved a 2-0 lead but a split will do…

by calbearjd on Oct 18, 2010 12:57 PM EDT reply actions  

I hear you on that. It’s odd though — a split for the visitor where you lose G1 and win G2 feels better somehow. It’s hard to remember that a split is a visitor win after the euphoria of winning G1.

Maybe it’s the “coulda been 2 -0” thinking, but last night was house money for the Giants. I’m sure the team is thinking of it that way. Plus, they beat Halladay. Seeing him again will not be fun, but in preparation, the thought of “hey…we beat him once” is surely going to be part of the mental equation.

Game 4 should be really fun, btw.

☸ Do not take the finger for the moon. ☸

by RememberthePhitans on Oct 18, 2010 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

The way I figure it…a lot of stuff went wrong for the Giants last night and it took a Jimmy Rollins hit in the 7th to break the game open…still would have loved to see the Giants take game 2.

The way the series is going…Game 4 will be a 1-0 game

by calbearjd on Oct 18, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

A lot of things went wrong for the phillies in game 1 as I saw it, so now they’re even

by SportingFanaticism on Oct 18, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Giants are in a great spot now with home field in a short series. It’s what the Phillies had after two in L.A. last year and that turned out well for them.

"Ninety percent of this game is half mental" - Yogi Berra (SI, May 14, 1979)

by bandwagonesque on Oct 18, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

The phillies still have better pitching and a better offense – whichever park

by SportingFanaticism on Oct 18, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

They also had this in the following series against the Yankees. That time it didnt work out so well.

by Nikk.m on Oct 18, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Phillies had better pitching? The Phillies had Cliff Lee and..?

by jrphi2002 on Oct 18, 2010 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, the Phillies had HFA after the start of the WS last year when they took Game 1 in Yankee Stadium.

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by doubleh on Oct 18, 2010 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ah. Yes, HFA is meaningless right now. Either the Giants sweep and have basically used HFA to it’s fullest, or we win one and take it back! The Giants focus has to be winning 2 at home. If we take game 3, the Giants are in some trouble. Angry Roy in game 5 is going to be fun.

by jrphi2002 on Oct 18, 2010 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s the analogy that came to mind to me: Phillies ’09/Giants ’10 won game one with their ace, lost game two, then went home for three games, needing to win two to avoid going back to New York/Philadelphia needing a sweep. Even though technically the 2010 Phillies lost home field advantage in the series by losing game one, there is probably as much pressure on the Giants to win game three as there is on the Phillies.

by phillyinportland on Oct 18, 2010 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love that article about Werth and Brown. I would like all those who have been loudly complaining about Werth, going so far as to call him an attitude problem or clubhouse cancer, as if they have any knowledge on the matter, to read that article and then explain how it’s possible that such a dick would take his likely replacement under his wing like that.

by yolacrary on Oct 18, 2010 1:16 PM EDT reply actions  

It’s been an accepted fact for a while now that Jayson Werth wasn’t going to be here next season, so it’s not like Brown is ‘competition’. It’s not like he’s going to wally pipp Werth. Werth will be making big bucks next year (probably in boston) while Brown is here

by SportingFanaticism on Oct 18, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, I know. But if he were this big jerk so many seem to want him to be, it seems unlikely he’d make the extra effort.

by yolacrary on Oct 18, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

When you ignore the philly media, sports radio and those who find it worth while listening, you’ll find that not a lot of other folks want Werth be a ‘big jerk’

by SportingFanaticism on Oct 18, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

while I do ignore the philly media and definitely sports radio, it’s certainly possible I read too many blogs

by yolacrary on Oct 18, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Werth doesn’t have a lot of time for the press if/when they ask inevitably insipid questions. So you get the occasional hit piece from them (See: Mandy Housenick).

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by WholeCamels on Oct 18, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, which I respect a lot (the not having time)… I liked him even more after that SI piece, which some ( the crowd at Phillies Nation ) saw as evidence of him being a jerk.

by yolacrary on Oct 18, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

hm, I tried to do that ‘cough cough’ thing around the Phillies Nation ref.; guess it looked too much like a bad html tag….

by yolacrary on Oct 18, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Roy Oswalt !

Pitcher, hitter, baserunner, left fielder…
Who was that guy who pitched for the Phillies last year? Cliff somebody?

by woodyj on Oct 18, 2010 1:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Damn you

I just watched that like eleventy thousand times.

by Screen Name 20 on Oct 18, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I bet this catch will tack on an extra year to his next contract. Just because its so damn smooth.

by Nikk.m on Oct 18, 2010 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Huxtable?

Must be Cliff Huxtable.

by Aphilfan on Oct 18, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

BTW

Did anyone notice what you get if you spell ‘CODY ROSS’ backwards? Just thought it was odd.

by Nikk.m on Oct 18, 2010 3:31 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I’ve never heard of the SS ORYDOC, experimental sub?

by SportingFanaticism on Oct 18, 2010 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or a special Gestapo detachment

by Nikk.m on Oct 18, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Rec’d.

Pessimism of the intellect, optimism of the will.

by FuquaManuel on Oct 18, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Put in the Namesake...

Is it just me…or is anyone else wondering why Francisco has been permanently relegated to the pine? He is a better fielder and base runner than Ibanez so if Raul doesn’t hit, then what is the downside to starting Ben against Lefties…at least bring him in as a defensive replacement for Raul late in games…I remember that diving catch he made in the World Series after coming into the game cold and I can guarantee that Raul doesn’t make that catch let alone bounce it off his hip. Chuckles hopefully will give him the nod against Bumgarner.

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by DirtyWaters on Oct 18, 2010 7:22 PM EDT reply actions  

You’re assuming Charlie wasn’t partially lobotomized by a fastball to the head in Japan. I have not understood the failure to platoon Raul with Francisco, or at least to use BF as a defensive sub in later innings. Francisco has not presented much of a drop off in offense, and the defense is much, much better. I fear a Buckner moment for Raul. There was no reason, for instance, for Ibanez to be in the field after the game broke open last night. Or, um, in Game 1.

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by RememberthePhitans on Oct 18, 2010 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

actually...

Ibanez’s LF UZR/150’s, last three years
2008: -7.2 (153 G)
2009: +5.0 (129 G)
2010: -8.4 (145 G)

Not very good, but nowhere near, say, Carlos Lee or Pat Burrell territory. His career figure is -2.3.

Francisco’s LF UZR/150 (career, 181 G): +3.4

There’s a difference, but not a gigantic one. Francisco is not that much better than Raul in the field. I wouldn’t be opposed to making a defensive switch in the 9th, but it isn’t an outrage not to, by any means.

by taco pal on Oct 18, 2010 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

you must be kidding with the UZR nonsense...

Francisco makes that catch in game 1 against SF and the Phils win 3-2. I am all about the new stats like UZR and BABIP, but Francisco runs alot faster than Ibanez…hence, he covers alot more ground…period…end of story. If the Phils are up by 1 run in the ninth and a run scores on a bloop single that Raul just barely can’t get to….you tell me then it isn’t outrageous.

If lovin' Chooch is wrong...I don't wanna be right!

by DirtyWaters on Oct 18, 2010 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

what

Is that cognitive dissonance giving you headaches?

by phatj on Oct 19, 2010 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

 Francisco’s throws have more hang time that a punted football. Ibanez doesn’t have the strongest arm either but he is accurate and his throws don’t look like whiffle balls lauched by a trebuchet.

by j reed on Oct 19, 2010 1:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t have stats to refer to but I seem to remember during the course of this season there were a few times when Francisco was criticized for some poor routes and not recognizing where a ball was going. He may be faster than Ibanez and “cover a lot more ground” but that doesn’t do any good if he doesn’t get to the ball where it’s hit. This isn’t Willie Mays or even pre-steroids Barry Bonds, who was an excellent left fielder. As taco pal says, there’s a difference but not a gigantic one, so why change a lineup that is finally in place with the eight starters who have shown they are the regulars. I do see the potential for a defensive substitution in certain situations, but there was no need to remove Ibanez from the game last night.

by phillyinportland on Oct 19, 2010 2:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah but you gotta miss PTB’s arm.

by j reed on Oct 19, 2010 1:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

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