We Join This Game in Progress: All Your Cliff Lees Are Belong To Us
by David S. Cohen on Oct 18, 2010 8:55 PM EDT
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why you should never listen to Bill Simmons about baseball
The nonstop Cliff Lee hype + Vegas making Texas slight favs vs Pettitte in NY has me convinced: Game 3 will be a Yankee romp. Lock it down. Cliff Lee’s been on 4 teams in the last 15 mths. He went 4-6 for Texas with a 3.98 ERA. Now he’s 1986 Mike Scott? Come on. Yanks in a romp. Andy Pettitte has 18 postseason wins! Most ever! And he’s an underdog at home in a playoff game? Come on… this is the dumbest thing ever.
you know in 10 years he’s going to be worse than Tim McCarver and Joe Morgan put together.
Reverse Jinx
Very clearly a reverse jinx on the Yankees.
by Eaglesadvocate on Oct 18, 2010 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I regret saying “very clearly”. But I believe that was his intent.
by Eaglesadvocate on Oct 18, 2010 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions
didn't consider that
but you’re probably right.
still, I could easily see him saying all those things.
by perfectdepth on Oct 18, 2010 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow tha’s…extraordinarily bad.
"Ninety percent of this game is half mental" - Yogi Berra (SI, May 14, 1979)
by bandwagonesque on Oct 18, 2010 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions
So bad, in fact, that I spilled my ‘t’.
"Ninety percent of this game is half mental" - Yogi Berra (SI, May 14, 1979)
by bandwagonesque on Oct 18, 2010 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Well
The Yanks are only building up Cliff’s confidence by striking out intentionally in order to score eighty-bazillionty three runs in the later innings.
Nah… They are well versed in the Halladay school of pitching. If they take a ton of Ks, Lee has to make a ton of pitches and will this have to leave the game sooner. :)
by dannijd on Oct 18, 2010 10:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
But they forgot that Cliff Lee does not leave games ever … unless he’s ahead by eight runs. :)
by phillyinportland on Oct 19, 2010 2:52 AM EDT up reply actions
I wonder how this jackass feels now
Phillies- Off to the NLCS
Eagles- Just as good as the rest of league, but they are slow starters
He’s lucky Lee’s cleats didn’t break a finger.
"Ninety percent of this game is half mental" - Yogi Berra (SI, May 14, 1979)
by bandwagonesque on Oct 18, 2010 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Swisher eats up 11 pitches. No one told him he sucks.
"Ninety percent of this game is half mental" - Yogi Berra (SI, May 14, 1979)
You wouldn’t want to see the Yankees get no-hit?
by Eaglesadvocate on Oct 18, 2010 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Eh, I don’t really believe in that kind of superstitious crap, anyway. Just don’t want to listen to the cacophony of Lee should be in Philly….except in the ironic sense found here with the good people of TGP.
by WanderingMoses on Oct 18, 2010 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Interesting. I think the superstitious stuff is fun. My desire to see the Yankees get embarrassed by a no-hitter overpowers my dislike for the Lee should be in Philadelphia talk. Although it is one of the stronger running jokes around here.
by Eaglesadvocate on Oct 18, 2010 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Problem solved.
"Ninety percent of this game is half mental" - Yogi Berra (SI, May 14, 1979)
by bandwagonesque on Oct 18, 2010 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I believe the last time was 1978 by the Cards
"Ninety percent of this game is half mental" - Yogi Berra (SI, May 14, 1979)
by bandwagonesque on Oct 18, 2010 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions
that's the last 9-inning no-hitter
but they were also no-hit in a rain-shortened game (5 innings) by the Expos in 1988
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/PHI/PHI198809240.shtml
by perfectdepth on Oct 18, 2010 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions
he was absurd for a few years in Montreal.
by perfectdepth on Oct 18, 2010 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Phils were no-hit twice in 1960 by Milwaukee in consecutive months. That sucks. Spahn and Burdette.
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and the Burdette game would’ve been a perfecto if he hadn’t hit Tony Gonzalez.
by perfectdepth on Oct 18, 2010 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions
And in 1964 by Koufax
At least those were two decent pitchers. What about the other no-hitters in the ’60s by people like Don Nottebart, George Culver, and that guy for Montreal – Bill Stoneman. There were a few in there where the Phillies scored a run but still got no-hit.
by phillyinportland on Oct 19, 2010 2:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Remember this moment. An idiot was on the field in New York during a Rangers-Yankees game.
Now that's what I call high quality H2O!
Not really. Pitchers are generally pretty weird dudes. A lot like goaltenders.
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Oh, sure, but histrionics are by definition notably intense moments of anger. Carlos Zambrano tends to be histrionic; Andy Pettite is just kind of intense/weird.
I understand the want to not show them on tv, to avoid giving them a spotlight and encouraging more people to do it. But I really wanna see for the entertainment value.
How's your wife and my kids?
Some idiot just attempted to run onto the field. Didn’t get very far. No sooner did he step on he was leveled by security.
Now that's what I call high quality H2O!
Philly Security Fail
We need opposing outfielders to assist.
"Ninety percent of this game is half mental" - Yogi Berra (SI, May 14, 1979)
by bandwagonesque on Oct 18, 2010 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions
The problem in Philly is with our security, then? Need to beef it up.
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Didn’t seem all that instant when watching the game.
by EastFallowfield on Oct 19, 2010 6:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Apropos of nothing...
The “Bieberize your profile” ad seems… mistargeted.
It’s like my nightmares, but with commercials.
"Ninety percent of this game is half mental" - Yogi Berra (SI, May 14, 1979)
by bandwagonesque on Oct 18, 2010 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I even said ‘Holy Shit’ (a la John Belushi) and then it pans down to Swisher catching the ball.
Oy.
by WanderingMoses on Oct 18, 2010 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I kind of want to face the Yankees if the Phillis make it to the world’ series, but hopefully that series goes 7 either way.
Well, beating the Yanks would be the ultimate goal. But:
A) I would rather face the team with the better matchup, because at the end of the day, nobody remember who we beat anyway, just that w won
B) I like this Rangers team. Hamilton, Lee, Kinsler, Vlad are some of my favorite players.
Flyers 10-11 season slogan: "Remember Emery?"
a world in which Jeff Francoeur has a World Series ring...
would be a horrible, horrible world.
by perfectdepth on Oct 18, 2010 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Apart from the fact that it would mean the Phillies do not win the World Series...
I think it would be fairly awesome. Imagine the apoplectic Braves and Mets fans.
It would help, though, if he were to somehow embarrass himself in the series, just so it’s clear he didn’t personally contribute to ring.
THAT’S RIGHT! I’d forgotten all about that. But I was at the ring ceremony game, and there he was with his s**t-eating grin.
The funny thing is that Bruntlett actually contributed in the Series.
You know, I don’t want to dislike Ernie Johnson. It’s been a while since I was a regular watcher of TBS’ basketball coverage, but back then I used to really enjoy his work in the studio with Charles and Kenny. But he’s not a play-by-play guy. He just isn’t. It’s not that he’s obnoxious or biased, but he just doesn’t say anything. Kind of a big flaw for a PBP man.
A couple years ago I remember TBS touting EJ’s Mailbag as if it were something people should care about… I wondered then who the hell Ernie Johnson was. It wasn’t until this year that I discovered he does basketball.
He’s really not good at baseball PBP.
Yes, but they could have Mr. FISTED! as the play by play guy instead.
by WanderingMoses on Oct 18, 2010 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I believe that is correct. Stockton did the Atlanta-SF series.
by WanderingMoses on Oct 18, 2010 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions
They could find somebody who doesn’t suck maybe? It’s not like anybody is going to tune into TBS because they have EJ doing PBP, or will change the channel because a no-name guy is doing it. Give Scott Franzke a call.
That would make too much sense. Hence it is left undone.
by WanderingMoses on Oct 18, 2010 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Come on Yankees!
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 18, 2010 10:02 PM EDT reply actions
Jeter for the GDP?
"Ninety percent of this game is half mental" - Yogi Berra (SI, May 14, 1979)
by bandwagonesque on Oct 18, 2010 10:02 PM EDT reply actions
Guess not.
"Ninety percent of this game is half mental" - Yogi Berra (SI, May 14, 1979)
by bandwagonesque on Oct 18, 2010 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow, Jeter can’t keep up with 92-93 anymore.
"Ninety percent of this game is half mental" - Yogi Berra (SI, May 14, 1979)
by bandwagonesque on Oct 18, 2010 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions
No, didn’t you hear — he “unselfishly” swung at a pitch to let Gardner steal. We’re gonna tell our grandkids about that one!
Valhalla awaits!
"Ninety percent of this game is half mental" - Yogi Berra (SI, May 14, 1979)
by bandwagonesque on Oct 18, 2010 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Earlier when TBS said Tex was 0 for 8, I heard “overrated”. I guess we were both right.
"Ninety percent of this game is half mental" - Yogi Berra (SI, May 14, 1979)
by bandwagonesque on Oct 18, 2010 10:09 PM EDT reply actions
Yanks can’t small ball. That’s a shame
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 18, 2010 10:10 PM EDT reply actions
Um, usually the Phillies can’t either. Careful where you tread there.
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Oh I know. I’m not worried about jinxing one or the other, nor was i implying that the Phillies could, and the Yanks could not
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 18, 2010 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I think it may just be me, but does mark texeira’s face just make you angry? I cant explain, it just irritates me for some reason
by Daniel Solomon on Oct 18, 2010 10:12 PM EDT reply actions
That’s how I feel about Joe Buck. I can’t profess hatred for him, but I want to cuff him when I see him. He just radiates arrogance to me.
"Ninety percent of this game is half mental" - Yogi Berra (SI, May 14, 1979)
by bandwagonesque on Oct 18, 2010 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions
its like in stepbrothers where rob riggle is saying how badly he wants to punch will ferell in the face for no reason. Thats how i feel!!
by Daniel Solomon on Oct 18, 2010 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions
"I don't know what it is about your face, but I want to deliver one of these (fists) right in your suckhole"
“Is there anything I can do about it?”
“No.”
by Screen Name 20 on Oct 19, 2010 8:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Does anyone know where I can find a feed tomorrow? I’ll be in class watching on the computer
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 18, 2010 10:13 PM EDT reply actions
Ah, despite it being on non-cable television it’s still frowned upon?
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 18, 2010 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions
stealing free television broadcasts is illegal?
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 18, 2010 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions
fair enough
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 18, 2010 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions
it’s a normal lecture where we take notes like that of robots
I can take notes on a computer and watch a stream at the same time
science
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Oct 18, 2010 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Frenchy legs one out despite being slowed down by the facial hair.
"Ninety percent of this game is half mental" - Yogi Berra (SI, May 14, 1979)
by bandwagonesque on Oct 18, 2010 10:16 PM EDT reply actions
Noticed the shoe polish was missing and followed the trail from there…
"Ninety percent of this game is half mental" - Yogi Berra (SI, May 14, 1979)
by bandwagonesque on Oct 18, 2010 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Am I missing something or is the Amish look in this season? These dudes just look goddamned weird.
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I think it was WC last night who compared the look to the Taliban.
"Ninety percent of this game is half mental" - Yogi Berra (SI, May 14, 1979)
by bandwagonesque on Oct 18, 2010 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions
No, it was about Romo’s terrorist beard.
"Ninety percent of this game is half mental" - Yogi Berra (SI, May 14, 1979)
by bandwagonesque on Oct 18, 2010 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions
So whats the deal? if we win our series, do we want rangers or yanks? (again, not assuming anything for us so i dont jinx it)
by Daniel Solomon on Oct 18, 2010 10:18 PM EDT reply actions
Yankees, literally only because I don’t want to read the dumb Cliff Lee articles and here everybody talking about it.
thats fair. I was leaning toward Texas before just because of last year’s WS, but know im not so sure
by Daniel Solomon on Oct 18, 2010 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Provided the Phils make it, I like the story line of Getting Our Trophy Back From Those Who Stole It. But that’s just my perverse sense of justice talking.
"Ninety percent of this game is half mental" - Yogi Berra (SI, May 14, 1979)
by bandwagonesque on Oct 18, 2010 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions
The song can be lovely if performed correctly. Unfortunately, much like the anthem, it’s a very difficult song to sing and you need to have a tremendous range. She has neither a pleasing voice nor a tremendous range.
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FIOS Commercial
Fake fans are fake
"Ninety percent of this game is half mental" - Yogi Berra (SI, May 14, 1979)
by bandwagonesque on Oct 18, 2010 10:23 PM EDT reply actions
Lee at 109 pitches
"Ninety percent of this game is half mental" - Yogi Berra (SI, May 14, 1979)
by bandwagonesque on Oct 18, 2010 10:29 PM EDT reply actions
Kerry Wood coming out for the Bombers.
"Ninety percent of this game is half mental" - Yogi Berra (SI, May 14, 1979)
by bandwagonesque on Oct 18, 2010 10:31 PM EDT reply actions
Is Cliff Lee human? Not to be prisoner of the moment, but when does Cliff Lee become best postseason pitcher ever?
Well, to be fair, Rivera only pitches an inning at a time. He’s best postseason closer, hands down.
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I know, but
Mo has a 0.72 ERA in 137.2 postseason innings. That’s absurd.
That’s sick. I wonder how many years he has left.
"Ninety percent of this game is half mental" - Yogi Berra (SI, May 14, 1979)
by bandwagonesque on Oct 18, 2010 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly
Not taking anything away from Rivera, b/c what he’s done is phenomenal. But there’s something to be said about going through a lineup 3 or 4 times.
by Screen Name 20 on Oct 19, 2010 8:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Are we resigned to Werth and Lee both in pinstripes next year?
"Ninety percent of this game is half mental" - Yogi Berra (SI, May 14, 1979)
by bandwagonesque on Oct 18, 2010 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think the Yanks want Werth. I think they want Crawford.
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Who would they get rid of? All three of their outfielders are under contract for 2011, I believe, and all three were good this year.
Dude, I’m just relaying all the crap I read coming out of NY. It’s not like those guys up there deal in reality—writers or fans.
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Yeah I know. I’m just wondering aloud.
Here are Fangraphs WAR values for 2010:
Gardner 5.4
Swisher 4.1
Granderson 3.6
Crawford 6.9
Werth 5.0
Crawford is a tremendous player and would be a step up for the Yankees, but surely they’d get more bang for the buck on the pitching staff.
I don’t think the Yankees get Lee. The Rangers just got a crazy TV deal and have the cash to hang on to Lee.
I am.
Red pinstripes, that is. I’m still misguidedly holding out hope that we re-sign Werth. I realize it’s a longshot, but would be worthwhile for the team, I’m sure.
You know, I don’t think it’s completely outside the realm of possibility that we haven’t seen the best of Werth yet. He could have a monster year next year, and the Phillies could probably swing a deal if they really bent over backwards.
But just about any contract he gets would still be bad. In 2014, we’d really pay for it, I think.
Werth has shown flashes of brilliance, surrounded by clouds of good-ness. I’m quite confident that he could string together enough hot streaks to fill up a season and hit .330/40HRs.
I’d love to have the Phils pay for him, though. What’s he likely to get? 5 years at $60M? $65M? He made $8M this year, didn’t he? It isn’t a huge leap.
Are you from the government?
Except, I guess, they use billions.
But still. Every game sells out. The team seemingly goes to the playoffs annually. $4M (is that right?) for one of the top RFs in baseball isn’t a huge price, considering the dropoff from Werth to… who?
Yes, but you can’t keep spending without any thought toward the future. All it takes is one down year and then you’re selling off pieces. It’s not easy to make the postseason in baseball. The Phillies don’t have the cushion of having their own TV network. The spending will not continue forever.
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True.
But if you willingly downgrade yourself, aren’t you making it less likely? Plus, re-signing Werth wouldn’t require trading any more prospects, or mortgaging the future.
Besides, how profitable is the team?
Not necessarily. You could resign Werth and then he could be injured or have a down year. No way of really knowing. It would be mortgaging the future if you sign him to a 5 or 6 year deal and he falls apart by year 3.
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True.
But who do we have, other than Brown, who can replace Werth? And Brown isn’t up to Werth’s quality yet, plus he’s a lefty, plus he doesn’t have a badass beard.
Brown/Francisco platoon is 90% of Werth’s production for 10% of the cost. Spend the money elsewhere.
Werth hit .296/.388/.532.
Brown and Francisco averaged .252/.309/.418. That’s only 81% of Werth’s production.
I see your point, though. As long as the money is spent on something that improves the team, it’s close to a push.
But, damnit, I like Werth.
some of his competition
Lee, before tonight: 56 innings, 1.44 ERA, 0.78 WHIP, 8.6 K/9, 6-0
Smoltz: 209 IP, 2.67 ERA, 1.14 WHIP, 8.6 K/9, 15-4
Ford: 146 IP, 2.71 ERA, 1.14 WHIP, 5.8 K/9, 10-8
Schilling: 133 IP, 2.23 ERA, 0.97 WHIP, 8.1 K/9, 11-2
Dave Stewart: 133 IP, 2.77 ERA, 1.11 WHIP, 4.9 K/9, 10-6
Christy Mathewson: 101 IP, 0.97 ERA, 0.84 WHIP, 4.2 K/9, 5-5
Gibson: 81 IP, 1.89 ERA, 0.89 WHIP, 10.2 K/9, 7-2
Koufax: 57 IP, 0.95 ERA, 0.83 WHIP, 9.6 K/9, 4-3
personally, I think he’s got a ways to go before you could call him the “best.” he’s been spectacular in his starts so far, but you can’t ignore the fact that some of these guys have pitched three or four times as many innings and been nearly as excellent.
I think the best comparison for Lee might be 1930s Yankee pitcher Monte Pearson. he started one game in each World Series from 1936 to 1939 and went 4-0 with a 0.73 WHIP and 1.01 ERA in 35 2/3 innings (three complete games).
by perfectdepth on Oct 18, 2010 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Yankees are going to completely break the bank for Lee, aren’t they?
Now that's what I call high quality H2O!
“No one controls the bat speed of the opposition quite like Cliff Lee.”
Um, I just heard this exact same phrase for Roy Halladay not one week ago. So I think Roy Halladay might also do this well.
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It was on the DCS/LCS talking points sheet they sent out at TBS.
‘Fisted’ was oddly absent.
"Ninety percent of this game is half mental" - Yogi Berra (SI, May 14, 1979)
by bandwagonesque on Oct 18, 2010 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Gardner fielding adventure.
"Ninety percent of this game is half mental" - Yogi Berra (SI, May 14, 1979)
by bandwagonesque on Oct 18, 2010 10:51 PM EDT reply actions
Hamilton didn’t need one to get to second, so no.
"Ninety percent of this game is half mental" - Yogi Berra (SI, May 14, 1979)
by bandwagonesque on Oct 18, 2010 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions
T’would appear not.
"Ninety percent of this game is half mental" - Yogi Berra (SI, May 14, 1979)
by bandwagonesque on Oct 18, 2010 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions
A team has to feel confident to have Cliffy in their pocket for a game 7 if needed.
plus a 13.5 era versus CC and Hughes…
Can the yanks win this series??
by Adam Gladstone on Oct 18, 2010 11:03 PM EDT reply actions
Good point
The way the series plays out, if you’d said it’s a best-of-five with three games in New York, then two in Texas, and you’ve got Cliff Lee going in games one and five, you’d have to be pretty pleased with that. Add in the fact that so far the Rangers have been better on the road than at home and I think you have a winning formula if you get one more solid performance from the other starters. Wilson and Lewis have both looked good so far.
by phillyinportland on Oct 19, 2010 3:09 AM EDT up reply actions
I thought he was a cat for a minute.
"Ninety percent of this game is half mental" - Yogi Berra (SI, May 14, 1979)
by bandwagonesque on Oct 18, 2010 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Kick them while they are down…. MORE MORE!!!
by Adam Gladstone on Oct 18, 2010 11:06 PM EDT reply actions
It’s hard to hear voices over the shuffles of exiting feet.
"Ninety percent of this game is half mental" - Yogi Berra (SI, May 14, 1979)
by bandwagonesque on Oct 18, 2010 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Suck it, Swisher.
"Ninety percent of this game is half mental" - Yogi Berra (SI, May 14, 1979)
by bandwagonesque on Oct 18, 2010 11:10 PM EDT reply actions
Seriously
Get Feliz up. Sending Lee back out there would be stupid.
speaking of werth
Baseball Reference has his nickname as “Werewolf”. Where’d they get that from? I’ve never heard him called that before. I’ve heard people say he looks like a werewolf, but that’s different.
Yanks were only down by 2. If they used Rivera for 3 outs here, it would be asking a lot for him to go back out and pitch the 10th if they managed to tie it up.
by dannijd on Oct 18, 2010 11:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
in the playoffs
you live to fight another day. You don’t try and mess around, you throw your best if you need it.
Flyers 10-11 season slogan: "Remember Emery?"
You called that very well!
"Ninety percent of this game is half mental" - Yogi Berra (SI, May 14, 1979)
by bandwagonesque on Oct 18, 2010 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions
only a WP from Mitre?
I feel kind of cheated.
by perfectdepth on Oct 18, 2010 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, but the walrus-like flailing about with the bobbled tag was still pretty lolworthy,.
"Ninety percent of this game is half mental" - Yogi Berra (SI, May 14, 1979)
by bandwagonesque on Oct 18, 2010 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Except for the 2 losses to Rays haven’t the Rangers put up at least five runs a game . That’s insane
So if CC pitches game 4, then Hughes and Pettite must pitch in games 5 and 6?
by Eaglesadvocate on Oct 18, 2010 11:14 PM EDT reply actions
I would think that Burnett pitches 5 and Pettite 6. I’m not sure if Hughes has the whale-like durability (and size) of Sabathia.
Oh ok. The way the commentators were talking, they made it seem like if Yankees had CC out there for game 4 they would have no choice but to go with hughes for game 5.
by Eaglesadvocate on Oct 18, 2010 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Jeter fails at failing. Misses the golden sombrero by one K.
"Ninety percent of this game is half mental" - Yogi Berra (SI, May 14, 1979)
by bandwagonesque on Oct 18, 2010 11:25 PM EDT reply actions
Man, so great watching Feliz and knowing that, had the Teixiera trade never happened, he’d be a Brave, along with Andrus. Bullet: dodged.
I guess those are the choices you have to make when you can’t sell give away tickets.
"Ninety percent of this game is half mental" - Yogi Berra (SI, May 14, 1979)
by bandwagonesque on Oct 18, 2010 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Nice
Suck it yankers
"Ninety percent of this game is half mental" - Yogi Berra (SI, May 14, 1979)
by bandwagonesque on Oct 18, 2010 11:28 PM EDT reply actions
Nolan Ryan – I think I will take something out of my savings to sign this guy next year!
by Adam Gladstone on Oct 18, 2010 11:28 PM EDT reply actions
I off to bed while visions of Halladay Vs Lee in Game 1 dance in my head.
How's your wife and my kids?
Who is the sugarplum and who is the fairy?
by TwistyWristy on Oct 18, 2010 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Never seen a astadium this empty after any game, let alone a playoff game. Yankee fans suck
by Adam Gladstone on Oct 18, 2010 11:29 PM EDT reply actions
Really
Unbelievable. Its your first home game in this series. Have some faith.
Phillies- Off to the NLCS
Eagles- Just as good as the rest of league, but they are slow starters
I understand the leaving. It is not like the Yankees are a great come from behind team.
/sarcasm
How's your wife and my kids?
If it were a normal 7:05 start with normal commercial breaks, I’d be upset too. But, with a late start and 5 minute commercial breaks (or so it seems), it’s late.
by David S. Cohen on Oct 18, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
You ever try to catch the D train after a Yankees game?
Pessimism of the intellect, optimism of the will.
by FuquaManuel on Oct 18, 2010 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions
As always with the Yankees, how many of them are true, raised from birth Yankees fans. Those tickets are so frigging expensive and that town filled with trust fund baby transplants it makes you wonder how many are for real @ the games. I’ve seen it happen all the time…somebody moves to New York and it’s like the toilet water becomes ambrosia.
Cliff Lee 2010 postseason k/bb ratio 34/1.
Waiting for the skin to peal away from the terminator steel skin underneath!
by Adam Gladstone on Oct 18, 2010 11:32 PM EDT reply actions
WOW!
I was at Halladay’s no hitter and I also watched it on TV after the fact, but Cliff Lee may have been better tonight. That may have been the single best pitching performance I have ever seen…Ruben’s worst nightmare is coming true right before our eyes!
If lovin' Chooch is wrong...I don't wanna be right!
Not yet. His worst nightmare is game 1 of the World Series, Halladay v. Lee and Lee pitching circles around Halladay. This, however, was close.
by dannijd on Oct 18, 2010 11:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
No, and no
If we assume that Lee v. Halladay figures into Rube’s nightmares, it obviously would be Lee outpitching Roy in game 7 that would be the worst.
But why would Lee pwning the Yankees in the ALCS even matter to him?
Even then would it matter. I agrued for Halladay over Lee back in ‘09, just not for JP McKracky’s asking price. I still would want Halladay over Lee. His 10 year tour of duty in the AL East is one reason and the fact that he’s the most complete pitcher in the game the other. I’ve never seen someone pound the strike zone with 4 pitches. Fucking amazing.
Well
Cliff Lee arguably pounds the strike zone with four pitches even better. But this is splitting hairs. Unless Lee would have agreed to a Halladay-like contract extension the Phillies made the right move – the only problem, perhaps, was not getting more in return for Lee.
I guess, but the guy had both a higher K/9 and lower BB/9 than Halladay – if he was doing it mostly with three pitches instead of four it doesn’t really seem to matter.
He certainly has a track record, but Lee has been awesome for three years now – it’s pretty clearly not a fluke. Halladay’s main advantage over him is durability.
RAJ
No, his (and our) worst nightmare would have been to team Cliff Lee up with Roy Halladay, not win the World Series in 2010, and then see Cliff Lee sign with the Yankees. As much as it seems inevitable that the Phillies would have won with both Halladay and Lee it wasn’t guaranteed. I kind of like what RAJ put together instead.
by phillyinportland on Oct 19, 2010 3:16 AM EDT up reply actions
No. No. And no.
What Cliff Lee does is of little interest to Ruben Amaro right now, outside of the fact that the Texas Rangers are a potential World Series opponent. Amaro is perfectly happy with Halladay and Oswalt. Nothing that happens in this post-season, would be ’Amaro’s worst nightmare coming true," even if Lee pitches circles around Halladay. 1 game does not determine a career or a good/bad trade off.
Now that's what I call high quality H2O!
by Justin F. on Oct 19, 2010 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Phillipe Aumont
could throw 14 strikeouts against the Yankees.
In the first 5 innings.
by philsandthrills on Oct 18, 2010 11:44 PM EDT reply actions
Disagree
Having had some experience with pseudo-athletic pursuits (beer pong) while on acid, I don’t find it particularly remarkable.
it wasn’t like it wasn’t like I lost motor control. Actually for someone to do it stumbling drunk would be pretty amazing.
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Maybe not stumbling, I dunno.
Seriously, acid doesn’t hurt motor control at all – if you can overcome the distracting aspects of the “heightened perception” or whatever you want to call it, it might even be helpful. It certainly seemed that I did better at beer pong and also pool, games which require pretty fine motor control, than when sober. I wasn’t the only one to make this observation either.
Yes, it has stimulant like properties which may or may not effect motor contol – tremors,and muscle spasms are two noted side effects as well as involuntary muscle tension (jaw clenching for example) which could reduce flexibility, cause muscles to fatigue quicker, all of which could impact an athletic performance. Pool and beer pong athletically speaking make less demands on your central nervous system. The act of pitching requires the coorination of the body’s biggest muscle groups into operate in fluid sequenced motion. That’s alot of motor neuron recuirtment. The issue isn’t finer in so much as complex. Pitching is way more neuromuscularly complex than pool or pong which is why what Dock Ellis did is amazing.
I never heard of any one having tremors. Perhaps it is a noted side effect but as with any drug’s side effects it doesn’t affect all users? Muscle tension, jaw clenching in particular, definitely. I think this gets back to the mental focus; if you can avoid being distracted you can overcome that. However, with acid (or other hallucinogens) it’s very, very easy to be distracted.
I should point out that the version of beer pong that we played at my college is more like ping pong than the one most people are familiar with. It is played with a paddle, is fairly fast-paced and at times requires hitting the ball while on the run. It is neuromuscularly different than pitching, to be sure, but I don’t think that it is less complex.
(Please note that I am not attempting to put beer pong at the same level as playing major league baseball, or to take anything away from Ellis’ accomplishment. My point is simply that throwing a no-hitter while on acid is interesting but not necessarily a special achievement relative to any other no-hitter.)
I once got hammered and played blitz chess. I don’t really recall anything, but people who were there told me I was beating everyone who sat down.
Chess on acid would be an interesting experience, I think.
Pessimism of the intellect, optimism of the will.
lol
I’ve tried chess on weed, which was a terrible idea. I could hold my thoughts for 2-3 moves ahead, but after the 4th move, I forgot what I wanted to do on my 1st move.
by Off_The_Hook on Oct 19, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Some of the best pitching I’ve seen against the Yankees since Moyer and Kendrick shut ’em down in June.
by EastFallowfield on Oct 19, 2010 7:18 AM EDT reply actions
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