A Vicious Caining: Giants 3, Phillies 0
by dajafi on Oct 19, 2010 7:17 PM EDT
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PrintSo you had to like this matchup, right? Cole Hamels, once-and-again post-season demigod, on the mound in a big Game Three matchup against Matt Cain, the one Giants starter against whom the Phillies had enjoyed past success. The team had scored six runs when they evened the series in Game Two, with sparkplug Jimmy Rollins seeming to have found his stroke with two great bases-loaded at-bats, resulting in a walk and a three-run double. All good, right?
Well, no: Cain was outstanding over seven innings, holding the Phils to two lousy singles and three walks, striking out five on 119 pitches. The Phils had him in moderate trouble twice in the early going: with two on and two outs in the third, Cain induced a Chase Utley groundout, and an inning later he put two on with one out before inducing a can of corn to left from Jayson Werth and blowing three fastballs past Raul Ibanez.
In the bottom of the fourth, the Giants scored all the runs they'd need off Hamels, who had gone through the lineup without a blemish through the first three innings. Edgar Renteria led off with a single and advanced to second on a Freddy Sanchez bunt. Hamels struck out Buster Posey on a full-count fastball at the eyes to notch the second out, but walked Pat Burrell to put two on. Then, inexplicably, evil elf Cody Ross got another low fastball, and while he didn't turn it into a souvenir, he did smack into left for a run-scoring single. Aubrey Huff, dropped to the six-spot in Bruce Bochy's lineup, followed with a grounder between first and second that Utley got to but couldn't corral, scoring Burrell to give San Francisco a 2-0 lead. The Giants made it 3-0 an inning later when Aaron Rowand, inserted into the lineup in place of struggling Andres Torres, led off with a double and, after Hamels retired the next two hitters, Sanchez ground a hot shot that bounced off Utley and trickled into center, plating Rowand.
Cain and the Giants relievers did the rest. The righty escaped from his last jam in the top of the seventh, after Carlos Ruiz was hit by a pitch and Ross Gload walked with two outs. Shane Victorino worked the count to 3-1, fouled off what would have been ball four, then rolled a grounder to Sanchez at second to end the threat. Lefty Javier Lopez worked a 1-2-3 eighth, and Brian Wilson closed it out after allowing a one-out single to Rollins by getting a 4-6-3 double play from Ibanez, who remains hitless for the post-season NLCS.
Get 'em tomorrow: Joe Blanton, coming off a three-week layoff, faces rookie lefty Madison Bumgarner in Game Four.
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Did Ricky Bo honestly just say out loud that he wonders if the Phillies will even show up tomorrow? What an asshole.
"You can commit no mistake and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." - Jean-Luc Picard
wow
Statements like that make me glad I don’t live there.
Of course they’ll show up. What exactly has this team done at all to make anyone doubt them over the last three seasons?
They ran into a really good pitching performance today, and the Giants got some lucky bounces and close calls at the plate. When you face a team with great pitching—and this is the best rotation they’ve seen since the run started—you’re sometimes going to lose games like this.
I still think we win the series, but the Giants are a quality opponent.
It was a ridiculous statement…the Phillies put up 3 vs Timmy. Most games, that’s enough to win. I doubt Halladay will make the same mistakes to Cody Ross that he did in game 1. Even if they lose tomorrow the Phillies still have 3 of the top 10 pitches in the NL going for them in games 5-7. It was one of those comments that clearly was not thought out before it came out of his mouth.
"You can commit no mistake and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." - Jean-Luc Picard
"statements like that make me glad I don't live there."
What a fabulously stupid thing to say. Are you one of those “hate the city because there is no parking for my morally reprehensible land cruiser” types?
I read it as “glad I don’t live there (so that I couldn’t see Bottalico on Postgame Live even if I wanted to).” I have absolutely no idea how you interpreted it.
by PhillyFriar on Oct 20, 2010 1:53 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
seriously
Today sucked. Being down 1-2 sucks. It’s not over. It’s winnable.
And even if not, sometimes you acknowledge that the other team actually beat you.
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This. The Giants have awesome pitching and just enough offense. That formula has won many playoff series. There’s no Bartman here…no villain. Just one hell of a pitching staff on the other side.
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by RememberthePhitans on Oct 19, 2010 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t believe in ‘certainties’ or anything but I believe that Game 6 in CBP on Saturday Night with Mr Oswalt on the bump is as close to one as you can get.
by SportingFanaticism on Oct 19, 2010 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Really!
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by victor frankenstein on Oct 20, 2010 7:47 AM EDT up reply actions
In this spirit
I’m going to the game tomorrow as a Giants fan, with a buddy who’s a Phillies fan. I am hoping the Phillies throw Roy out there, and he pitches well. I want to see a great game, no matter who wins. I’ll be happy with Blanton too. He was a beloved A when he played by the bay. Do you guys call him “cupcakes”? They did over at Athletics Nation.
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
Blanton is pitching, and I like to call him tastykakes – it’s more philly
by SportingFanaticism on Oct 19, 2010 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, he can throw gems once in a while
And hit home runs with his eyes closed.
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
Yup, credit San Fran’s staff. Even Sanchez, who we beat, pitched pretty darn well all things considered.
On the other hand, the “just enough offense” part of the formula is a real kick in the taint for Phils fans. Especially when it’s Cody Ross and Aaron Rowand wielding the steel-toed boots.
by PhillyFriar on Oct 20, 2010 1:59 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
NOTHING IS OVER!!!!!
by Chutley's Impressed by Mac's Speed on Oct 19, 2010 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions
My wizard’s Elvis, and the UFO has dogs playing poker inside it.
"Ninety percent of this game is half mental" - Yogi Berra (SI, May 14, 1979)
by bandwagonesque on Oct 19, 2010 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions
The best part about this is that Cody Ross is going to get a big, fat contract from someone dumb, and it won’t be the Phillies. Hopefully, the Braves will be stupid enough to bite on a career 104 OPS+ player whose best days are behind him. I think SFG might offer him a deal, though. The fools!
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by RememberthePhitans on Oct 19, 2010 7:33 PM EDT reply actions
Or he’s done more in the past week that you will or ever do?
by SportingFanaticism on Oct 19, 2010 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s taking it a bit far. I have intense distaste for the guy but when I wish ill on him it’s usually “get the clap”. Nothing involving death.
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no seriously though. why is he lighting it up. out of everybody; its a nobody thats hurting us the most
Giants fan here
Cody Ross isn’t a nobody, trust me. He is actually a pretty good player, and wishing death on him is rediculous. That’s taking it waaaay too far.
And from what I understand, Ross has tortured you guys to no end as well… I’m sure you’ll be happy to have him out of the NL East after we sign him to a 3/21 deal.
by giant4life83 on Oct 19, 2010 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok when i said death, it was out of pure frustration. Of course I don’t mean death on him. And i stand by my claim hes a nobody.One time wonder, till I see more
I wish I came up with this
But if you spell Cody Ross backwards it spells ssoRy doC. That explains why he lit up Doc Holiday, but I don’t know where the rest is comming from.
Don't trust this guy. He lies.
No one here is saying he’s a nobody, but he’s not a superstar either, so this Babe Ross stuff is a bit over the top.
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A little?
We will get our lulz when he gets a ridiculous contract and he reverts to his normal self, which is a player slightly better than Aaron Rowand.
Now that's what I call high quality H2O!
Meh...
We’re used to having a washed up OF in our team…it gives us something to complain about…Ross has done more in two months than Rowand has his entire Giants career
Fixed
Ross has done more in twomonthsweeks than Rowand has his entire Giants career.
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by victor frankenstein on Oct 20, 2010 7:51 AM EDT up reply actions
his normal self is a .265 hitter with 25 HRs, ill gladly take it
by giant4life83 on Oct 19, 2010 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I know he’s not a superstar. He’s a .265 hitter, 20-25 HR guy, which is plenty good enough for a starting job. 3/21 is just a guess, probably will be 3/18, but for $6 mil he’s a good deal. but that’s not the point, I was responding to the poster who said “he should be killed” which was over the top, and he’s apoligized or w/e, and it’s all good.
I don’t know where the Babe Ross came from- It’s just a postseason tagline i suppose.
by giant4life83 on Oct 19, 2010 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I will admit that in game 2 i was screaming at the tv for someone to hit him – not in the heat or any thing – maybe on his derriere – but i did take perverse pleasure in Roy’s brushback
and then god, as he likes to do to me, punished me later in that same game
by SportingFanaticism on Oct 19, 2010 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions
CODY ROSS IS NOT A FREE AGENT HE IS ARB ELIGIBLE AND UNDER TEAM CONTROL.
Overplayed memes:
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2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Oct 20, 2010 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh yeah...
CLIFF LEE!
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by RememberthePhitans on Oct 19, 2010 7:34 PM EDT reply actions
Depends on Charlie really. His history doesn’t indicate he’s going to make a change. Guys like Bochy and Maddon seemed willing to tinker with their line ups in the playoffs but Charlie is more old school and the ‘go with the guys who brung ya’ – and though the platoon did work for a while, it inexplicably vanished when Raul got hot for a bit and I don’t think it’ll come back.
by SportingFanaticism on Oct 19, 2010 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Judging from his press conference comments...
Ibañez will be the starter left fielder tomorrow. Manuel said that with the length of time that it has been since Francisco has played that he did not think starting him would go well.
by dannijd on Oct 19, 2010 7:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The follow up question should be something of the effect “Charlie, even if it doesn’t go well, could it go worse than Ibanez against a lefty the way he’s swinging now?”
by SportingFanaticism on Oct 19, 2010 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions
But isn’t Ibañez a better fielder (however marginal) the improvement? At the plate I will agree that Francisco can’t be worse, but is the risk worth the fielding downgrade?
by dannijd on Oct 19, 2010 7:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
no
Francisco is clearly a better fielder.
by perfectdepth on Oct 19, 2010 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions
wait, seriously? Ibanez is absolutely a worse fielder than Francisco. granted, we’re talking about the difference between bad and average. nobody’s going to confuse Francisco with Carl Crawford. but I can’t see any way you could call Ibanez a better fielder.
by perfectdepth on Oct 19, 2010 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Ibanez and Franciso are about the same fielding wise. Ibanez has a better arm. I’d be willing to take my chances. Your not losing much either way. But I I’d put Francisco. Left handed pitcher that no one on the team has seen and Ibanez struggling, why not go with the RH and LH match up?
By about the same I mean that’s judging by stats that may not be adjusted for discrepancies in opportunities.
francisco is clearly better then ibanez. look at last years playoffs in close games cholly would put francisco in later innings of close games.
by phillyeaglesfan on Oct 19, 2010 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Remember when Pat used to get pulled from every game late and it hardly ever mattered?
Those were the days
by SportingFanaticism on Oct 19, 2010 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Odd because Blanton has had just as much time olff. Not that pitching him is wrong . Maybe it’s diferent for pitcher than hitters.
I think it is more excuse than anything, and may come back to using Blanton in some ways being a necessity (and he did pitch a sim game recently), while the Francisco/ Ibanez switch is a choice. It may also come down to some of the aspects of game hitting and fielding versus the things that can be done in practice while a pitcher can go and throw- doing the most vital motions enough to keep sharp. I don’t know- I would probably go with Francisco- Ibanez just looks lost up there and against a lefty, Francisco probably has a much better chance.
I think you’re right, SF. Though, of course, I think that Nikk.M is more than right to ask the question. Ibanez isn’t the only problem with the offense, but he’s looked absolutely wretched this series, and starting him against a mystery southpaw is the equivalent of conceding 3 outs, in my opinion.
by PhillyFriar on Oct 20, 2010 1:56 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
As Otto would say
I’m very DISAPPOINTED
by SportingFanaticism on Oct 19, 2010 7:36 PM EDT reply actions
I think EVERYONE should watch that movie tonight
by SportingFanaticism on Oct 19, 2010 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Happily, Hamels wasn’t bad at all. 8Ks, 5 hits (mostly weak bloops) and a walk over 6 innings, plus 2 earned runs and 1 officialscorerearned run. Not a bad outing, really.
But, not unusually for this team, he didn’t get a huge outpouring of support, as Cain also pitched well.
Eh. Maybe we’ll do better tomorrow with Cupcakes.
Hamels made 1 mistake
and that was pitching around Burrell in the 4th. Ross went out and hit a good pitch and Huffs ball was a weak grounder that Utley could have (maybe should have fielded). Other run was an error on Chase, no way that should have been changed to a hit
Huff's grounder called a hit
and Jimmy’s routine pop-up called a hit. What’s going on with the scoring?
by Screen Name 20 on Oct 19, 2010 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions
From what I understand, the official scoters are actually chosen and paid by the home team. While they are supposed to be fair, it is not entirely unusual for the home team to be favored on judgement call plays. By the same token, I was a little surprised in the second Reds game that the Rollins hit was ruled an error, as Phillips never touched it, making the call really one of judgment.
by dannijd on Oct 19, 2010 10:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
But does it really matter in the end?
It doesn’t matter if it’s scored an earned run or an unearned run, because it’s still a run. It only matters to the pitchers, hitters, and fielders stats, but it doesn’t change the outcome of the game.
Don't trust this guy. He lies.
Extension plays don’t get errors and who gets the error in Rollins pop-up?
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by say hey nation on Oct 20, 2010 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Extension plays don’t get errors
My corrupted Windows Media Player says hello.
Sanchez and FontenDOH! split it, though Mike gets the big half.
Get aggressive, little guy.
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by victor frankenstein on Oct 20, 2010 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions
didn’t Ibanez have a hit off of Chapman? Not that it mattes now, but the original post says he’s still hitless in the post-season…. (yeah, just checked; he had two hits in game 2 of the NLDS)
I just got home from work. Was this as bad as it looked on ESPN sport on my phone?
"We are the borg. Resistance is futile."
Thought thats why they had replay
by Sept.28.Oct.27.Dec.28.2008 on Oct 19, 2010 8:35 PM EDT reply actions
That’s exactly what I thought. This was a tailor-made replay situation.
by WanderingMoses on Oct 19, 2010 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, indeed. I was having a flashback to 1996.
by WanderingMoses on Oct 19, 2010 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Guess 50% review is allowed
by Sept.28.Oct.27.Dec.28.2008 on Oct 19, 2010 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Well the umps got that one right in the end. They are 1 of 2 tonight.
Now that's what I call high quality H2O!
Umpiring has been brutal this entire postseason. What’s up with that.
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SO MUCH THIS^
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by Sabean's_Folly on Oct 19, 2010 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions
not with the union theyre associated with dont allow changes
by phillyeaglesfan on Oct 19, 2010 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions
The only place where I think the human element is actually applicable is the height of the strike zone which is suppose to be adjusted to the hitter. The width however can be fixed or determined electronically. Not that the height can’t be, just doesn’t seem feasible with all the variables involved at least now if the game were to start using technology to track ball and strikes.
yes it has. our game today was the first one in our series that I’ve seen fairly-umped.
games 1 and 2 were horrid strike/ball calls
by giant4life83 on Oct 19, 2010 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I think I know why they played pretty bad today…guess who was at the game
the observer
by Off_The_Hook on Oct 19, 2010 8:50 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Put a beard on him et voila! Cody Ross! This explains everything!
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by RememberthePhitans on Oct 19, 2010 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions
There’s pics of him everywhere, like even on American Idol lol
by Off_The_Hook on Oct 19, 2010 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Cody Ross has been…cloned??
"Ninety percent of this game is half mental" - Yogi Berra (SI, May 14, 1979)
by bandwagonesque on Oct 19, 2010 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Hamels vs. Cain
Not only was Hamels good, I think he was a lot better than Cain. More strikeouts in fewer innings, and Cain walked 3 and hit two. But also, Hamels had 15 swinging strikes on 100 pitches; Cain had 6 on 115 pitches. It also looks like—at least to me— Hamels had better command and control than Cain. Maybe his sequencing was superb, but I dunno.
The flipside, of course, is the Phillies offense. There are a lot of outs in the middle of the strike zone.
He did. It was one of the few hard hit balls of the day.
by dannijd on Oct 19, 2010 10:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Good game was good for us Giants fans
I missed more than half of Cain’s great game, but I feel bad for Hamels as he often gets Cained. Cained is a term we use for Matt Cain whenever he doesn’t get enough run support. Howard looked really good today especially the one he hit off B-Weezy which should have been a trouble, but luckily Nate got the ball into his glove and out into the infield. The umpire was super fair too so neither of us can blame the ump this game. I’m afraid of Blanton as we can hit good pitchers, i.e. Halladay and Hamels, but not mediocre ones such as Blanton
Wait. Blanton’s mediocre?
"Ninety percent of this game is half mental" - Yogi Berra (SI, May 14, 1979)
by bandwagonesque on Oct 19, 2010 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, let’s go with “non-elite.”
I had the same thought during today’s game: given the Giants’ underwhelming overall offensive numbers, it doesn’t stretch credulity to think Cupcakes could do well tomorrow. My biggest question about him is the rust; it’s been three weeks since he got a start.
Absolutely. I think Blanton’s oblique injury impacted his early season inconsistencies. SF is playing with house money with Madbum, but the kid looked very good against the Bravos. It should be interesting at the very least.
"Ninety percent of this game is half mental" - Yogi Berra (SI, May 14, 1979)
by bandwagonesque on Oct 19, 2010 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I am comforted by the fact that we are better hitters than the Braves, but discomforted by the fact that you never know when it’s gonna happen.
Yes Blanton is mediocre!
I’m not saying he isn’t a good 5th starter, but to most pitchers in what you guys would say the best staff in baseball Joe Blanton doesn’t look exactly that good on paper. He is like a poor man’s Brad Penny. Maybe I have too high of expectations in pitching since my so-called team has Lincecum (2 cy youngs), Sanchez (no-hitter), Matt Cain (well, matt cain), Zito (cy-young winner), and Madbum aspiring star who got cained multiple times this year. Your guys rotation is beast, but somehow my wild tangent turned into a rotation dispute rather than Joe Blanton’s skill. We both have good pitching, you guys better offense, this will be very interesting!
I like waffles.
With strawberries, not cherries.
Sanchez’ no – no was the bait in this year’s San Diego/Sanchez bait and switch.
And Zito’s Cy…uh, how many states were in the Union then?
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by victor frankenstein on Oct 20, 2010 7:58 AM EDT up reply actions
better to hit the good ones than not hit at all…
ahem 
by Off_The_Hook on Oct 19, 2010 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Wait!
Ibanez can levitate his bat with his mind, but he can’t hit the ball? He needs to work on his telekinesis!
Worst use of The Force evar!
"Ninety percent of this game is half mental" - Yogi Berra (SI, May 14, 1979)
by bandwagonesque on Oct 19, 2010 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Better. He should learn to read minds and know that he is throwing you a juice one first time.
I wasn't even a year old but I stayed up to be outside the Vet with my Dad and Mom when the Phillies won the World Series 1980.
by Christopher A on Oct 19, 2010 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I think he tried it once already, and it seemed to work.
by Off_The_Hook on Oct 19, 2010 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions
“I’m terrified, petrified, mortified, stupified by you” is for some reason the first thing that comes to mind when I read what you posted. I don’t know why.
by Off_The_Hook on Oct 19, 2010 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I know Matt Cain is a good pitcher and is capable of performing the way he did, but the Phillies are good hitters too . Perhaps not good enough to win today but to get blanked when the pitcher gives you 5 free passes is a rough pill to swallow espcially after watching the Rangers just clobber the shit out of everything.
It's the face
This is the face of a man that cannot lose…except when he does lose…which is a lot of the time, that an no-decisions; I mean dude only has 13 wins; He’s a third starter AT BEST.
Anyways hope that it’s a good game today and in all honesty, Blanton really scares me. He’s exactly the type of pitcher that just seems to throw the Giants completely off.
"He knocks a stake through the heart of the Cardinals! The Cardinals are dead! The Giants are going to the World Series!!!" -Jon Miller
t's Posey time!!
Screw you Flannery.
ANYONE recall that idiot thread " we want san fran...."?
I hope the Moron that made that argument / threasd is feeling pretty fooking happy because right now to the rest of us he looks like a true imbecile
Mr. Mayor, we're talking real wrath of God type stuff... Fire & brimstone coming down from the skies! Rivers & seas boiling! 40 years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoes. .The dead rising from the grave...Human sacrifice, dogs cats living together.... Mass Hysteria!
It is his fault that the braves lost
by SportingFanaticism on Oct 20, 2010 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
It Is
That’s what I thought. The power of dajafi cannot be underestimated.
by phillyinportland on Oct 20, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
whoa
Settle down there, Pardner.
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by WholeCamels on Oct 20, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
You don’t like the team, you apparently don’t like the other posters on here unless they say something bad about the Phillies. Why aren’t you following along on McCovey Chronicles?
by phillyinportland on Oct 21, 2010 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions
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