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Giant Mess: Giants 6, Phillies 5

Hoisted with their own Patard.  (Photo by Justin Sullivan/Getty Images)


It was a game of bullpen catastrophes large and small, and the Giants came out ahead, taking a 3-1 series lead, sitting just one win away from a World Series berth.

Phillies' starter Joe Blanton's performance was far from a disaster but it certainly wasn't very good.  Plenty bad enough to feed the fires for everyone who thought Charlie Manuel should have brought Roy Halladay in to pitch on three days' rest.  The right-hander lasted just 4 2/3 innings, surrendering five hits and three runs.  His opponent, Madison Bumgarner, did not fare much better.  After cruising through the first four innings, Bumgarner was touched for three runs in the fifth, and was pulled after 4 2/3 innings as well.

The Phillies took a 4-3 lead into the bottom of the sixth, which is when all hell broke loose.  Reliever Chad Durbin issued a lead-off walk to Pat Burrell, who then advanced to third on a "double" from Cody Ross, the Imp of Satan.  Both then scored on a double from Pablo Sandoval, a dead fastball hitters who was fed nothing but fastballs from the ineffective Durbin.  Durbin escaped the inning without further damage, but the Giants led 5-4.

The Phillies tied the game off back-to-back doubles from Ryan Howard and Jayson Werth to lead off the eighth.  Which set up one of the more unusual personnel moves we've seen since the Phillies recent postseason run began in 2007.

Rather than go to Brad Lidge for the bottom of the ninth of the tie game, Charlie Manuel sent Roy Oswalt into the game.  Today is Oswalt's "throw day," and although he had apparently had a bullpen session earlier, Manuel evidently decided that Oswalt was the better choice, and that Lidge would be saved for an eventual/hypothetical lead.

Unfortunately, the strategy backfired.  Relying exclusively on fastballs, Oswalt retired Freddy Sanchez on a liner to right.  Aubrey Huff then singled past a diving Ryan Howard, guarding the line as part of some "no doubles defense."  Buster Posey followed up with an opposite field single, sending Huff to third with one out.  Juan Uribe then hit a sacrifice fly to left, and the Giants walked it off.

Rouughhhh...

It's not over.  They still have Roy Halladay, Roy Oswalt, and Cole Hamels pitching on full rest (minus Oswalt, sort of).  This can be won.  It's just a real longshot now.

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via www.fangraphs.com

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The Fangraph spot after the Werth double is just mean.

by David S. Cohen on Oct 21, 2010 12:09 AM EDT reply actions  

That’s because no team other than the Phillies is capable of not scoring another run there.

by fleeb on Oct 21, 2010 1:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

stop

http://www.thegoodphight.com

by WholeCamels on Oct 21, 2010 7:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just ban him already.

"You can commit no mistake and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." - Jean-Luc Picard

by EREX21 on Oct 21, 2010 7:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Face it, if i’m not banned it’s almost impossible to get banned for saying stupid things that aren’t related to illegal internet activities

by SportingFanaticism on Oct 21, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

True.

"You can commit no mistake and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." - Jean-Luc Picard

by EREX21 on Oct 21, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

No doubt. Its sick that he was on 2nd with no outs, and no attempt was made to move him over. Bunt him to third, fly ball, score. Game over.

Phillies- NLCS 1-2, and the bats are asleep
Eagles- 4-2 and Kolb is looking better

by bdawk4ever on Oct 21, 2010 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was thinking the same thing

by yolacrary on Oct 21, 2010 12:13 AM EDT reply actions  

er, about the graph…

by yolacrary on Oct 21, 2010 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

It’s just there, taunting us.

by David S. Cohen on Oct 21, 2010 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

It’s over. Give it up Phillies.

Go GIANTS!!!

by PhillyJax on Oct 21, 2010 12:17 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

really

http://www.thegoodphight.com

by WholeCamels on Oct 21, 2010 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

love those sandals

by j reed on Oct 21, 2010 3:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ingenious. Rec’d.

"Ninety percent of this game is half mental" - Yogi Berra (SI, May 14, 1979)

by bandwagonesque on Oct 21, 2010 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

tough loss

This really stings, could have stolen one…Halladay is the best man for the job tomorrow though! Still have the faith! Go Phillies.

by PhilsForever on Oct 21, 2010 12:18 AM EDT reply actions  

This ain’t over. We’ve got em right where we want em, yo.

Pessimism of the intellect, optimism of the will.

by FuquaManuel on Oct 21, 2010 12:19 AM EDT reply actions  

here comes the “why didn’t we start holliday” banter and I’m sure we’re gonna hear some “Phils are chocking” talk as well

by Off_The_Hook on Oct 21, 2010 12:21 AM EDT reply actions  

It will easily be forgotten that the Phillies were winning when Blanton left the game. Sadly.

Now that's what I call high quality H2O!

by Justin F. on Oct 21, 2010 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

While that will be easily forgotten, the fact of the matter is that giving up three runs in 4.2 innings is not a good job of pitching, and his failure to go longer is what forced the team into using Durbin in a situation where the only net they had if something went bad was Kyle Kendrick or Antonio Bastardo (since Ramero can’t get right handed batters out). Was he terrible, no. But he did not even make it long enough in this game to get a decision.

by dannijd on Oct 21, 2010 9:26 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

There is no guarantee that Halladay would have done any better- he would have been going on short rest, and may not have been able to go much longer than Blanton did, meaning that the bullpen would still have had to hold it together. Considering that the Giants have hit him hard in the past, the situation may have been just as bad or worse if the pen needed to get involved.

I would also like to point out to all of the people who insisted that everything would be fine if the offense just showed up just how important pitching is- a necessary and vital half to the winning baseball equation.

by dannijd on Oct 21, 2010 1:21 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I’ll tell you why the Giants have such success against Halladay. To us, every pitcher is Halladay. We make guys like Randy Wells look like Cy Young very often.

by giant4life83 on Oct 21, 2010 3:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

the announcers (whose names i wont even bother mentioning) rambled on and on for 2.5 innings early in the game today about whether Halladay should have started or not, I freakin’ HATE Fox broadcasting. And Eric Karros’ hair, really?

by giant4life83 on Oct 21, 2010 3:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

No play for Mr. K!

Somebody check my timestamp, because up until ten minutes ago I wasn’t sure we were going to win.

I’ve mentioned before how I only watch the MLB – TV archives, right?
Well, I fell asleep watching the NY/TEX archive, and that was about 8PM.
But before I did I noticed that the Giants had come to bat in the bottom of the ninth.
Even though I have MLB – TV set to not show me scores of games that could only mean one thing – that they were either tied or losing.

 Woke around midnight – 30 and turned this one on.
Between all the camera fussing, checking the bank account (AT the bank. And I’m broke.), making coffee et al I JUST finished it.

GREAT game, from both a biased and unbiased point of view.
That both teams DO have offenses is once again apparent.

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by victor frankenstein on Oct 21, 2010 8:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Something that unites us all

I think we all can agree that Joe Buck, Tim McCarver and Eric Karros are awful. Why they are still on the air when everyone seems to hate and abhor them is beyond me.

"I signed up for this job, the day I was born" - Brian Wilson, Ninja

by Giant Torture on Oct 21, 2010 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Peter Principle, Lowest Common Denominator, FOX being openly hostile toward baseball?

http://www.thegoodphight.com

by WholeCamels on Oct 21, 2010 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think its pretty obvious that Joe Buck does not enjoy the game of baseball. he always takes pot shots about the pace of the game and stuff like that.

by PSUcup1 on Oct 21, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Everyone?

Call me blissfully ignorant, but they don’t bother me all that much.
Oh, I roll my eyes from time to time but I don’t “hate and abhor” them.

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by victor frankenstein on Oct 21, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Buck just sounds totally disinterested. I cant stand McCarver but you can tell he has enthusiasm for the game at least

by PSUcup1 on Oct 21, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Lie

Buck sounds totally interested… when the Phillies are losing.

by NowWhat? on Oct 21, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Woof…watched the come back and then checked on the train to see the loss. Cripes — tough to take. Still, gotta play them all, or some such cliche.

by Trev223 on Oct 21, 2010 12:21 AM EDT reply actions  

Who’s trying to get hiiiiiiiiiiiiigh tonight?

Pessimism of the intellect, optimism of the will.

by FuquaManuel on Oct 21, 2010 12:25 AM EDT reply actions  

Those days are over for me. Gotta grin and bear it unmedicated.

by j reed on Oct 21, 2010 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

doesnt it suck?

blazing a fat one always made a horrendous loss at least slightly less terrible. Now, i have to sit here and think about how awful this is sober

by aPHILLYated on Oct 21, 2010 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yep. Actually in those days I didn’t care as much about baseball as I do today. Pot would definitely help me wrap my head around this:the Giants scored 4 runs in 4 innings and 2 in another. It took them 5 innings to score 6 runs…the RISP faerie landed. The errors didn’t help (only one was recorded) nor did the walks or Blanton’s two wild pitches and they still only beat us by a run. Got to give ‘em credit for not looking a gift horse in the mouth. If we just play a tighter game we can at least get a game or two proivided the offense doesn’t short circuit….again. We are certainly have the talent to win three but I’m also a realist.

by j reed on Oct 21, 2010 1:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

I got called in at my part time job and missed the first four innings, then only had AtBat in the fifth- I saw the Rollins error (which thankfully led to nothing on the board)- what other error-esque things happened and did any of them (other than Blanton’s wild pitches) lead to a run?

by dannijd on Oct 21, 2010 2:17 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Polly botched a double play opp. but still recovered to get an out at first. Can’t remember if it scored a run or gave and opportunity for more runs to score.. But Blanton threw two wild pitches and Sanchez went from 1st to 3rd. And then scored when some one got a seeing eye single or something like that. Maybe it was a 2 out hit, I don’t recall.

by j reed on Oct 21, 2010 2:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Or another way of looking at it is that in only four innings did they Giants not score: two innings pitched by Blanton and the two primarily by Madson.

by phillyinportland on Oct 21, 2010 4:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Definitely… Barring a miracle (winning the next three), this loss is going to sting for a long time.

Is it possible that post upgrades (Burrell, Posey, and even Ross) that the Giants offense was a tad under-rated? Or is this just a case of a team getting hot at the right time against pitchers whose number they usually have? (a look at Baseball Reference’s pitcher splits prior to the series was eye-popping.)

by dannijd on Oct 21, 2010 2:14 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Posey really is as awesome as he appears

And you should know all about how the Rays gave up on Burrell way too soon. Huff and Torres were excellent most of the season. Other than that, it’s mostly role players. But for much of the season, these 4 guys were as good as any 4 on any team, and I think that is something that a lot of analysts missed coming into the playoffs. Add in the potential that comes from guys like Sanchez, Sandoval, Uribe and Ross, and anything can happen on a given night. YOU DON’T NEED ALL THE PARTS TO CLICK. That was the Giants’ secret this year.

"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.

by hairball on Oct 21, 2010 2:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

thank you for the friendly talk but you don’t need to tell us what winning baseball looks like. we’ve been watching it for 4+ years now

by aPHILLYated on Oct 21, 2010 2:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

And almost all that time, the Giants sucked

We hated Sabean, and we hated Bochy. I’m just finding out what winning baseball looks like.

"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.

by hairball on Oct 21, 2010 3:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Damn...

dial back the condescension a bit. The poster was simply answering a question about the team. Your post just comes off as sour grapes.

by Cixelsyd on Oct 21, 2010 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Posting on the opposition's blog is always an invitation to a wide range of responses.

The risks double after a victory over said opposition.

You wonder why any do it at all, especially when they have other options.
Self appointed diplomats, or closet masochists?

I have no idea.
I can only drive my own clown car.

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by victor frankenstein on Oct 21, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Giants fan here

Was at the game with a friend from Philly.

You guys have an incredible team, and this game was one of the best I’ve ever seen. Tomorrow should be amazing, no matter who wins. We are lucky to live in an era when we can see pitchers like Halladay and Lincecum face off, and more than once, in a critical series.

"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.

by hairball on Oct 21, 2010 2:40 AM EDT reply actions  

Totally good outlook — thanks for being graceful in victory, man.

by Trev223 on Oct 21, 2010 2:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

 Tanner Boyle throws bottle at you. That’s a little too much for me. When I was a kid my dad would have smacked me for that. We said good game and that was it. If we won, we leave it at that. He said it was patronizing to say anything else because the person on the losing end really doesn’t deep down feel that way. At least I didn’t.

by j reed on Oct 21, 2010 3:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just old school about this stuff. The whole the blog thing is so open and I haven’t adjusted and I doubt I will.. When we play a team, I never look at their blog and never post. I did one on TC but haven’t been back since To me it’s sacred space for the fans, so the fan can say what ever they want to with out the thought of someone else analyzing their pain. Kinda a voyeuristic sadism to me. I look at it like this if blogs were bars, none of this would happen.

by j reed on Oct 21, 2010 3:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nah, that’s a totally fair point of view, I think. The problem is that I’m so used to the TC trolls and such that it seems a decent thing to recognize alright comments from the other side when they aren’t ridiculous. Still, it does seem a touch patronizing now that you mention it.

(tl;dr: I drink alone…with no one but Philly fans. Right on.)

by Trev223 on Oct 21, 2010 3:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

It sucks cuz I don’t drink anymore but if I did it would be with a bunch of fans whose team my team is playing in the post season…..unless I was trying to get in some girls’ pants.

by j reed on Oct 21, 2010 3:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

that's

 wouldn’t be with a bunch of fans…..

by j reed on Oct 21, 2010 3:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

I always wonder like what’s the point. To make us feel better? It doesn’t.

by j reed on Oct 21, 2010 3:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

It’s a good point — there’s gotta be some motive, right? I doubt anyone’s hoping to buoy spirits.

Also — yeah, I’m not really excited to hang with rival fans. Blackhawks season is keeping me from the sports bars recently. Echh.

by Trev223 on Oct 21, 2010 3:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was in Chicago a week after the Cup for my cousins wedding. My cousins and I grew-up together in Philly but they left when they were old enough to easily change allegiences. So it was like I got to hear that fucking song way more than I wanted to.

by j reed on Oct 21, 2010 3:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh God, I totally blocked out Chelsea Dagger. God I hope they’re not good this year, haha. There are a hell of a lot of Hawks jerseys around here already.

by Trev223 on Oct 21, 2010 4:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well if it’s any comfort, the Flyers are still all over the place. So everything is going according to plan. The Hawks are an excellent team but to me totally speed dependent. They were basically a run and gun team and relied heavily on their speed to make up for their defensive shortcomings and to create on turnovers in the neutral zone that would lead to odd man rushes. They gamble alot and with that variance and regression creeps in. Might see a contending team team but with less scoring. Or that’s just my wishful thinking. I figured they would win, we just didn’t have enough left in the tank to force a game seven. I just didn’t want to lose at home with that dumbass NHL ritual of parading that god awful cup (it’s ugly) around the ice you won on.

by j reed on Oct 21, 2010 4:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

One person's take

I get what you’re saying, and just to let you know why I come over here and post is that for the most part I like Phillies fans, and never would have known it if WholeCamels and RememberthePhitans hadn’t started posting over at MCC. You guys watch as many Phillies games as I do Giants games, and seem to be generally very knowledgeable fans, so it offers a perspective that can’t be found anywhere else. That being said, offering up congratulations on what a great team you have after winning game 4 is douche-bag move, even if it sounds gracious. If one of you had done the same thing after game 2 I would have been pissed too. So here’s to hoping we can continue to have a good discourse about the games, make jokes about PTB’s night life and offer up insight to one another, and if not you can go all Talking Chop and ban us all.

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by Giant Torture on Oct 21, 2010 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

"The Why Didn't We Start Halladay Banter" is Completely Warranted

I don’t know when people are going to start to realize this, but Joe Blanton is not a good pitcher. Look, I know it’s hard to look past his couple good starts in the ‘08 playoffs and his awesome HR in the Series. But we gotta face the facts here: His career ERA is 4.30. Since joining the Phillies he’s never had an ERA under 4.00 nor a WHIP under 1.32. He gives up a first-inning run in literally almost all of his starts, so every time out there the team is in a 1-0 hole. You know who sucks worse than Joe Blanton? Joe Blanton who hasn’t pitched in a game in over two weeks and hasn’t started since three weeks ago.

Yes we don’t know whether or not Halladay was going to be good or not, but why would you not go with the guy who has the potential to pitch a good game? You know exactly what you’re going to get from Blanton. A regular-working Blanton will give you 6 innings and 3 runs consistently, which isn’t bad, but isn’t very good, especially with a shaky bullpen. You had to know that rusty Joe Blanton wasn’t going to go more than 5 innings and was definitely going to give up 3 runs. And lo and behold, 4 2/3 and 3 ER. Yeah we had the lead after he left as someone mentioned above, but so what? He didn’t even pitch 5 full innings. Everyone knows the Phils pen other than Madson and Lidge stinks. Maybe Halladay would’ve done worse. Maybe he would’ve given up 100 runs in 0.1 innings? Who knows? There is also the chance that he could’ve done better too. The man pitched a no-hitter and a perfect game this season and if his stuff is good it can be near unhittable. Blanton never has nor never will have that kinda stuff. I don’t understand why they are pitching him at all these playoffs. Yes Halladay on three days rest is a question mark, but rusty Blanton on 3 weeks rest is a guaranteed sucky outing. Regular Blanton is a guaranteed mediocre outing , so out-of-practice Blanton certainly can’t be better. Maybe Halladay doesn’t dominate, but maybe he gives up 3 runs and pitches just 6 innings, so Madson, who had a NASTY change tonight, could come in and pitch the 7th and 8th with his 2.55 ERA and 1.04 WHIP instead of having Chad Durbin and his 3.80 ERA and 1.32 WHIP out there to suck it up. Like I said, maybe Halladay would’ve stunk to high hell, but at least you give yourself a fighting chance. And yes, the offense left a lot of runs on the table, but the postseason is all about pitching and you should win a game if you plate 5 runs.

I feel like I’m reliving the nightmare of the 09 world series. We’re down 2-1 and we throw out Big Joe who has a bad outing and then dig ourselves into an insurmountable hole. Didn’t the Phillies learn anything from the Yankees last year? EARTH TO CHARLIE: It is possible to win a World Series with three pitchers each going on three days rest. Didn’t the Phillies learn anything from the Yankees LAST NIGHT? They were down 2-1 and threw shitty, rusty AJ Burnett out there and look what happened. BOOM. Down 3-1 just like us. I’ll say it again, yes Halladay could’ve pitched like crap, but would you not want arguably the best pitcher in baseball to pitch 3 games in a potential seven game series? The point is I’d take short-rest Halladay over REGULAR Blanton any day, let alone rusty Blanton. I don’t know what Charlie’s deal is, but his stubborn insistence on never starting a guy on three days rest is extremely frustrating and perplexing.

by FooFighter1124 on Oct 21, 2010 2:44 AM EDT reply actions  

Hey, Giants fan here

crazy game, while you guys coming back to take the series truly is a longshot now, either way it’s been a hell of a series. Tight games, back-and-forth battles, well played. Tomorrow will be epic, the Timmeh/Roy rematch (in a ballpark where a routine fly isn’t a HR), the duel will come as advertised. I’m not knocking on CBP, but that 2-run Werth HR in Game 1 was a CBP special, we all know that. Anyhow, take it easy, we still got some baseball left!!

by giant4life83 on Oct 21, 2010 3:07 AM EDT reply actions  

I see this guy announce his afFANity on every blog he hits.

It’s like he doesn’t even know his own stagename.

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by victor frankenstein on Oct 21, 2010 8:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not good...

Blanton didn’t pitch awful.. I guess in the siutation we are in, I rather see, Halladay, Oswalt and Hamels to possibly keep it alive.

However, the problem is the bullpen. I also think Mr Clutch, Jimmy Rollins, needs to be on the bench. I have always bee na fan of him, but I think I lose years off my life watching him with RISP.

I didn’t see any of the post game interviews or anything, but any reason given for Oswalt in the 9th rather then Madson or Lidge? I assume it was a strategy playing for extra innings

by BirdsFanintheDesert on Oct 21, 2010 3:14 AM EDT reply actions  

You don’t sit Rollins

by j reed on Oct 21, 2010 3:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

He did have 1 bad AB but shit he always has one or two a game. I’m used to it. Also he didn’t get caught stealing in so far as Baumgartner balked. Bad call.

by j reed on Oct 21, 2010 3:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Another Giants fan here...

Well played, Phillies. What a great game.

I see where a few here aren’t really sure about the positive comments coming from our side. Understandable, but here’s the thing: you guys have not only a great team, but also a great community here at TGP. The McC folks get it, and we respect you and your team for it.

I’ve enjoyed lurking here the past couple of weeks, and however this NLCS winds up, I’ll look forward to a rematch with all of you next year.

Proud father of Barry Bonds.

by Sabertooth on Oct 21, 2010 4:27 AM EDT reply actions  

Thank you for explaining

That’s my story as well. Really dig WholeCamels’ posts and the conversations between TGP and McC.

"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.

by hairball on Oct 21, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Waking up from this

Is like taking a punch in the stomach and being asked to walk it off: Can anyone walk off such a blow? These guys are going to have to walk it off in 24 hours and play some damn good baseball.

Thing is, their manager cost them the game. Yes, Blanton didn’t last long but frankly why leave Durbin in there? There wasn’t a conversation between Ruiz and Durbin, not even a visit by Dubee. They left him in there to dry.

Now, here’s the difference/advantage we have than the Yankees in the same hole: They’re going to have to try and win games 6 and 7 on the road.

We have the crowd of CBP behind us, if we can come out of San Francisco alive, we might just be able to pull this thang off.

by LeQuan Glover on Oct 21, 2010 7:08 AM EDT reply actions  

Thing is, their manager cost them the game. Yes, Blanton didn’t last long but frankly why leave Durbin in there? There wasn’t a conversation between Ruiz and Durbin, not even a visit by Dubee. They left him in there to dry.

Good point. Esp. Dubee. The Giants made a mound visit when their reliever struggled in the 5th. The Rangers pitching coach is always watching out for his pitchers. The first thing he does when visits the mound is to put his hand on the pitcher’s shoulder. This is a great idea because it’s not only a comforting gesture but it let’s him know if his pitcher is tense. Tension will decrease your flexibility which in turn can alter your mechanics. I think Dubee is very negligent in regards to mound visits.
Another thing was Victorino not making it to second on the play made at home on Ruiz.. Vic. has Lite Brite for a brain that’s a given, but nonetheless where the fuck was Davey Lopes to, I don’t know, tell him to run?

by j reed on Oct 21, 2010 7:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

somewhat moot, since victorino scored anyway

by DJmutiny on Oct 21, 2010 8:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

IDK…. The player who I wanted to clobber on that play was Carlos Ruiz- I realize that there is no guarantee that things would have played out the same, but, trying to name it in cost this team both a desperately needed run and another AtBat after Rollins K’ed with runners on second and third.

by dannijd on Oct 21, 2010 9:09 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

He might have been sent by Sammy P.

by j reed on Oct 21, 2010 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

My mom told me he was, which only shifts my aggravation with the play to Perlazzo, who should have known better than to send him. It was getting greedy and not the first time in that position where he has sent someone who shouldn’t have went and cost the team a run. I know that in some ways coaches are like relief pitchers- you only notice the bad moves, but still.

by dannijd on Oct 21, 2010 9:39 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

It took two perfect plays to get Chooch there (Rowand’s throw, Posey’s catch/block/tag). It wasn’t a terrible decision to send him, although I might have held him under similar circumstances.

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by WholeCamels on Oct 21, 2010 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Rowand's throw was unusual in its accuracy..

He does have another nickname, you know...Errant Throwin’.

Perhaps he was feeling guilty about the contract and has resolved to earn it.
He has a ways to go on that.

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by victor frankenstein on Oct 21, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

A little context on the shits/shots thing

Krukow said on live radio play-by-play, after Aaron was hit by a pitch or foul or something, that he took “a nasty shit”. It was clear as crystal. Meant to say shot, obviously.

"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.

by hairball on Oct 21, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

“play” of the game. PH Dom Brown (and then allowing him to hack away) with bases empty and 2 out, thus taking the best middle reliever on the team out of the game after 1 batter.

by PSUcup1 on Oct 21, 2010 7:31 AM EDT reply actions  

The only thing that made sense to me there was that after pitching two innings yesterday, they knew that Contreras did not have a multi-inning performance in him, so when it came down to using a reliever for one out, he made the most sense, with the hopes that Durbin would be in “good Chad” mode and able to give them a couple of innings. Unfortunately he wasn’t, and they left him out to dry… A costly error, although there is no guarantee that sending Kendrick out there to relieve him when he got into trouble would have fixed anything.

by dannijd on Oct 21, 2010 9:14 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

This game was so painful. I will not blame managers for losses as it is the players job to execute but I will say that Charlie failed this team last night. He did not put them in the best chance to win. One botched strategic decision after another. I still have no problem with Blanton starting last night. It was the right decision. But his management of the bullpen was atrocious.

Just as bad…after Howard lead off the 8th with a double, Werth should have bunted him over, he didn’t, and got lucky to double himself. But with him standing at 2nd and no outs, J-Roll should have either been told to bunt Howard over, or be smart enough to know to do it on his own. Either way, it wasn’t attempted and that’s inexcusable. That is basic, fundamental baseball. Again, I don’t blame Charlie, the plays have to get the job done but Charlie had a regrettable game as well.

This series isn’t over. It’s on life support. The Phillies have responded for years when their backs are against the wall, this is no different. We have our three best pitchers ready to go. If we can win tonight I am pretty confident that Oswalt can help force a game 7. If that happens, it’s anyones ball game.

"You can commit no mistake and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." - Jean-Luc Picard

by EREX21 on Oct 21, 2010 8:06 AM EDT reply actions  

Werth bunts and there’s an out. Werth gets successful double and he’s on base and RH scores. The bunt only means ANYTHING if Howard’s on 3rd base. He’s on second. Taking an out to just advance someone from 2nd to 3rd is just fool hardy. A deep sac fly would accomplish the same end and may possibly allow for something more.

But indeed, with someone on second and no outs, you have to get that run across.

It’d be a mute point if Charlie managed the bullpen properly, if he did we likely win 5-3 or something of that nature.

by LeQuan Glover on Oct 21, 2010 8:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Taking an out to just advance someone from 2nd to 3rd is just fool hardy.

That’s just so wrong for so many reasons.

"You can commit no mistake and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." - Jean-Luc Picard

by EREX21 on Oct 21, 2010 8:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

A guy on base=1 out
A guy on base= 0 outs

Which would you rather take? I only bunt if it’s the pitcher’s spot or the guy’s on 3rd base. I ain’t throwing outs just for the hell of it.

by LeQuan Glover on Oct 21, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Do you know what run expectancy means?

by SportingFanaticism on Oct 21, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

When I agree to egg in my steak and cheese burrito...

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by victor frankenstein on Oct 21, 2010 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

As If We Didn't Already Feel Like Shit

Jenkins hits a no outs double and then was bunted to 3rd by Rollins….. arrrgh!. That’s not Rollins call to make even though I think he did make it on his own that time. It really is the managers call. That’s a crucial part of the game and the tatical decisions of that magnitude fall on the manager – he gets paid alot of money for that. It’s like the other day Vic. has a 3-1 count after Cain walks 2 and isn’t told to take with Utley on deck? It would have been ball 4. Would you trust Vic to make the right choice? Even if the player should know better isn’t it a good idea to make sure that a player knows what’s going on? – it is the post season after all. Sorta due dilgence on the behalf of the manager. Plus I wouldn’t want a player in this important stituation to have his mind too occupied with tatical thinking, there’s enough pressure as it is.

by j reed on Oct 21, 2010 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Great post- totally agree.

by dannijd on Oct 21, 2010 9:58 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

bunting Werth would have been a bad idea… I can more see the idea of bunting Rollins, but it seems to me that, against Romo, Rollins had the better chance of hitting the ball than did either Francisco or Ruiz, and, indeed, Rollins made contact and the other two just had no chance…

by yolacrary on Oct 21, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, you do have a player who plays the same position as Francisco

Even though he’s struggling, he’s a better option against Romo who kills righties (Werth excluded).

by Screen Name 20 on Oct 21, 2010 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

2007 Red Sox anyone?

by Dlance04 on Oct 21, 2010 8:45 AM EDT reply actions  

or 2010 Flyers v Bruins?

by btowl1818 on Oct 21, 2010 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Title should be Sac fly makes you Cry.

I wasn't even a year old but I stayed up to be outside the Vet with my Dad and Mom when the Phillies won the World Series 1980.

by Christopher A on Oct 21, 2010 8:56 AM EDT reply actions  

There’s no crying in baseball

by SportingFanaticism on Oct 21, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

We better start hitting. When we get up there its like we dont know how to hit the ball or ever seen a pitch come our way before.

by Ant on Oct 21, 2010 9:18 AM EDT reply actions  

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