Back to the Silly-del: Phillies 4, Giants 2
by FuquaManuel on Oct 21, 2010 11:39 PM EDT
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PrintI was really really really hoping this wouldn't have to be the final recap of the 2010 season when I volunteered to do it before the game. Thanks to a performance by Ace of Spades Roy Halladay that can best be described as "gutsy" and just enough offense to scrape by, it isn't.
It was apparent from the first batter that Roy faced that he didn't have his best stuff tonight. A leadoff walk and a single quickly put runners on the corner with no outs against Doc in the bottom of the first. Aubrey Huff lined to first base for the first out, but Chase Utley muffed a weak groundball off the bat of Buster Posey, failing to record the double play and allowing the run to score. Then, in the second inning, according to Charlie Manuel, Halladay suffered a groin injury. No matter, Roy was able to pitch through the pain for six innings only allowing one more run to score over that span.
This is not to say that he didn't encounter trouble -- as he didn't appear to have great command of any of his pitches and his fastball was sitting between 87 and 90 mph for most of the night -- but when he did encounter trouble, he was able to work his way out of it (with some help from his defense). For instance, in the bottom of the fourth, the Giants scored their second and final run on back-to-back one out doubles by Pat Burrell and the ever-loathsome Cody Ross, but when Ross tried to move to third on a Pablo Sandoval flyball to right he was gunned down on an absolutely perfect throw by Jayson Werth, ending the inning without further incident. Roy ran into some trouble again in the following two innings, putting runners on first and third with two outs and first and second with two outs respectively, but was able to get the last out in each case. He was done after 108 pitches and six innings -- short by Roy's standards -- but the injury factor really makes this start all the more incredible.
Meanwhile, Lincecum didn't appear to have his best stuff tonight either, but that didn't stop the Phillies' bats from starting off quietly yet again. It took a truly strange turn of events in the top of the third inning for them to finally break through. Ibanez started the inning with a single to center and Ruiz was then hit by a pitch to put runners at first and second with no outs. Doc then laid down a bunt that rolled just a few inches and appeared to be foul but was called fair. Posey fielded the bunt and threw to third, but Sandoval, who was playing in on the grass, could not find the bag and Ibanez was safe. Roy, however, thinking the bunt was foul and perhaps not wanting to further injure his groin, did not even leave the batters box, allowing Sandoval to recover and throw to first to get the out. With runners at second and third, Victorino slapped a fairly hard-hit grounder to first base that was booted by Huff all the way into shallow centerfield, plating two runs. Polanco followed with a single to score Victorino and put the Phillies up 3-1. And that would prove to be all they needed. The Phils would threaten against Lincecum again in the top of the seventh, but a deflating double play lineout to first off the bat of pinch hitter Ross Gload quickly put the kibosh on that. Lincecum's final line: 7 IP, 4 H, 3 R, 2 ER, 1 BB, 1 HBP, 7 K.
The Phillies bullpen was the other big story of this game. After making a cholera bed of the AT&T Park mound last night, the Phillies' relievers held the Giants in check for three nonetheless tension-filled innings. The dependable Jose Contreras and less dependable JC Romero were able to work around a one out single in the bottom of the seventh with the help of a leaping snowcone grab by Chase Utley to snag a soft liner by Aubrey Huff. Ryan Madson wont be credited with a save for his work in the bottom of the 8th, but he really should be. Facing the meat of the Giants' order in Posey, Burrell, and Ross, Madson struck out the side on just 13 pitches. He just simply overpowered them. In the top of the ninth, Jayson Werth launched a long opposite-field home run -- the first and last home run in AT&T Park for either team this series -- to give the Phillies an insurance run that wasn't needed, but sure made a lot of fans feel a lot better with the Brad Lidge experience imminent. Of course, Brad Lidge needed just ten pitches to work a 1,2,3 inning, and the Phillies had managed to send the series back home.
With Roy Oswalt and (hopefully) Cole Hamels set to face off at CBP against Jonathan Sanchez and Matt Cain, Phillies fans have to be feeling a little bit better about the team's chances. Make no mistake about it, they are still facing an uphill battle. But now that they've brought the series home, let's see if they can pull off the improbable.
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The post says he was throwing 87-90 last night, but didn’t say if his fastball was like that all night. Did he have more velocity in the first inning, prior to the injury?
For most of the game he did not and could not throw it, getting by instead with a combination of changeups, curves, and cutters.
by dannijd on Oct 23, 2010 2:22 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
ILL State of Mind.
Let’s do this.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
THE ACE OF SPADES
Can’t wait for Saturday!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I've been waiting my whole life for an Eagles Championship
RIP JJ
Ah, yes. The aforementioned up - until - now mythical sixth game.
So, it seems, you refuse to go quietly in the night.
To your credit, of course.
Not that we didn’t have 238 chances to score and either failed miserably or were BABIPd to death…
(“Snow cone, Mr. Utley?”)
And then Madsoned.
And then Lidged.
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by victor frankenstein on Oct 22, 2010 7:33 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t know what exact play, but Charlie Manuel is saying 2nd inning.
Now that's what I call high quality H2O!
This morning, I read it was during a pitch to…guess who…
That’s right, during a pitch to Cody Ross. For reals.
Contreras and I were just looking at him eating this iguana thing over white rice and he put it away like it was a double cheeseburger, you know?
by LeepinLizardz on Oct 22, 2010 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Nail-biter doesn't do this justice.
The strike zone jumped around more than I did watching on Fox.
But man am I glad to see us (take THAT, RtP!) win. Even though feckin’ Cody McDoucheragross got hisself another inside fastball hit.
Of course, Werth got some vengeance there.
YES
That was awesome.
Contreras and I were just looking at him eating this iguana thing over white rice and he put it away like it was a double cheeseburger, you know?
by LeepinLizardz on Oct 22, 2010 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Does anyone have any idea
what the fuck Burell was mouthing off to Halladay to get that evil stare down…would love to know.
Your favorite sportsasster
said Halladay was staring at Nelson not Burrell. How he knew that, though, I’ve no idea.
it turns out…burrell can’t threatent to sleep with everyone’s wife
by Off_The_Hook on Oct 21, 2010 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions
ugh i meant joebucksucks….
i believe they call it an “epic fail”
by Off_The_Hook on Oct 21, 2010 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Halladay was upset with the random strike zone, so he was staring at the ump walking off.
Burrell was also upset with the random strike zone, so he was yapping at the ump, then saw Halladay staring in his direction and thought it was all about him, so started F-bombing Halladay.
by EastFallowfield on Oct 22, 2010 6:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Burrell definitely said
“What the f### are you looking at motherf###er?”
They showed him on the replay of that scene and you can clearly read his lips.
by Screen Name 20 on Oct 22, 2010 7:59 AM EDT up reply actions
What Doc did pitching at half strength is pretty staggering. He set it up and the bullpen locked it down.
Great win. Probably shortened my life, but that’s okay.
by dajafi on Oct 21, 2010 11:47 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
It was more the hit— I was shocked that he got to it… I also immediately forgave him for some of his other recent adventures in fielding.
I immediately switched him on the Christmas list from VCR to TOWEL.
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by victor frankenstein on Oct 22, 2010 7:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Halladay: warrior (though I dislike this term in sports contexts in general)
Madson: faptastic
Werth: holy crap that was an impressive oppo shot
Lidge: looked hittable but the SF hitters disagreed
obviously huge, but Lidge didn’t need it. I know he would have attacked batters differently and all if it were a HR to tie it up, but at the same time, he looked nealry unhittable tonight.
Personally, I think the throw off the fly ball to nail Ross was much bigger, as it held the lead early, esp. since Halladay was injured and Cholly would have yanked him earlier if he was flailing
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by layout ultimate on Oct 21, 2010 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions
That was a boneheaded play by Ross
There’s no reason to tag up in the situation.
by Screen Name 20 on Oct 22, 2010 8:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Okay, so if we pull this off. how much time between game 7 and game 1 of the WS is there for the Halladay to recover.
But then who would you start Game 1? Oswalt on short rest? Blanton?
Now that's what I call high quality H2O!
If Doc is unavailable
I’d start Oswalt on short rest, and keep a close eye on him. I’d start Doc as soon as he was able, and then Hamels or Blanton.
He’s hurt. Can’t start him again. Oswalt and Hamels and pray to Base Ba’al for moar offense.
Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est.
Five more actually
Supposedly he injured himself in the first inning; that’s what Dubee’s mound visit was about.
He’s gonna be hella sore tomorrow.
With groin injuries, all you need is rest. The amount of rest needed depends on the severity. That being said, I do not know how much rest a mild pull needs to heal or how must rest a more severe pull would need.
Now that's what I call high quality H2O!
Plus neither of us knows how much rest Doc in stubborn driven mode will need. There are mere mortals… and there is Doc. Please God… he got this far- help him to heal so that he can play if they get there— with all that he has done, and as long as he has waited…
Tubercluosis.
Eh. My grandfather died of TB in the Korean War.
I should know how to spell it, I suppose.
Then reverse the "L" and the "u"
My condolences.
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by victor frankenstein on Oct 22, 2010 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Not necessarily. Groin strains (esp. it the same adductor muscle that he injured last year) if severe enough may fall under the symptomology of a Sportsman Herina which he could possibly pitch thru but at risk of further damage. If it’s a Sportsman’s Hernia it will need surgical repair.
Same injury. A Sportsman Hernia really covers a broad spectrum of injuries involving the pubic region, the abdominal wall or the tendon where the oblique attaches to the lower ribs. Typically the injuries are the the result of rapid rotation of the trunk or hips. Baseball, hockey and golf a require alot of torso rotation and kicking sports invovle alot of hip rotation which often invovles standing on one leg like a pitcher does for example.
"5 days"
Joking with Halladay, Manuel asked him “When are you going to be available — next year?” and that was his response. I really hope that he is right and can go.
Man, I’m rooting for one comeback against all odds, and, in the ALCS, hoping the logics of baseball win out. I am feeling a bit diffuse.
Don’t be so sure. The Yankees are tough to kill off and it would not surprise me if they make it back to the World Series, even if they have to beat Cliff Lee to do so. Their Game Seven pitcher would be Andy Pettitte, who finds a way to win more often than not.
by phillyinportland on Oct 22, 2010 3:55 AM EDT up reply actions
If that series gets to seven—and assuming the Phils win, which as you say still isn’t exactly likely— I’m going to be all kinds of conflicted: love the CLIFF LEE, of course, but the Phils players want the rematch, and probably more important I think the Yanks are the easier draw. The Phils can hit CC, and the rest of their pitchers don’t scare me. Even aside from Lee, Wilson and Lewis are damn good too.
by dajafi on Oct 22, 2010 12:01 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
agreed
but i feel the same way about this as i do with the braves. more fun to watch if i don’t abjectly hate everyone on opposing team.
Yeah, exactly. I would love to see Cliff Lee win a series; I would also hate to see how foolish he’d make Phillies hitters look. I don’t think the Yankees are all that intimidating, overall.
Yankees
No Doc and with just oswalt , hamels and blanton they are intimidating. Oswalt would already be going on short rest. to start game 1 unless you went Blanton. Hamels would have to as well unless we pitch KK for a game.
Agh, that’s true. They are a bit intimidating in that scenario…but honestly, the Rangers are even more troubling w/o Halladay.
STELLLAHHHHH!!!!
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didn’t they come back and win that series? also, pujols should play for the braves so he’ll have more people to blubber with.
Who cares about the future, Werth didn’t, Halladay didn’t. And these guys don’t care about it. They care about one game at a time.
We’re back home, we stole a game, we’ve got the momentum.
by LeQuan Glover on Oct 22, 2010 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Tim McCarver: “That’s Romero’s weakness—he can’t throw the ball over the outside of the plate to a lefthanded hitter.”
Romero: throws strike one over the outside of the plate
mccarver is like your friendly grandfather who doesn’t always know what he’s talking about, but kindof knows that, so you put up with him. buck is like a neighborhood dog that has to bark at everything monotonously.
Except the friendly grandfather is really an evil robot wearing a mask, and the neighborhood dog has rabies.
Did anyone get that ‘trashcan’ comment from Buck when Gload lined out to end the 7th? I really have no idea what the hell he meant.
he kicked a trash can after getting out at first last night, broke some other shit too
by BobbyDucati on Oct 22, 2010 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions
well thats what joe fuck said earlier in the broadcast….broke his helmet kicked stuff down the hall
by BobbyDucati on Oct 22, 2010 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions
"/>I kind of like the idea of mocking God Bless America in this way… but they could just play Take Me Out to the Ballgame and not bother.
honestly, me too.
But the CURSE OF THE LADY WITH THE UGLY HAT is a line worth exploring. After she sang, the Giants:
- had one hit
- struck out 4 times
- did not walk
- surrendered a walk, an error, and a home run.
by Wet Luzinski on Oct 22, 2010 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Fuck, I’ll wear an ugly hat and sing if it gets us the winz.
Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est.
I would have sung it better—but if singing like shit gets us to the WS—I’ll gladly take one for the team and Merman that shit UP!
Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est.
Another of the myriad joys of MLB - TV archived games
is that you can fast forward – or reverse – to any inning of the game at any time.
Like, fr’ instance, after the last out of a half inning.
So up until right now I had no idea anyone had freshly butchered GBA/TMOTTBG
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by victor frankenstein on Oct 22, 2010 7:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Or maybe put the video of her performance up on the scoreboard any time the Giants are threatening to score.
by phillyinportland on Oct 22, 2010 4:00 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't think there was any mocking intended
This performer is from a long running (many decades old) touristy show called Beach Blanket Babylon where people with outrageous hats sing topical witty songs.
I know you will find this hard to believe
but if I was walking downtown in SF it wouldn’t surprise me to see someone dressed like this walking down the street. It would be unusual, but it wouldn’t surprise me.
I don't find it hard to believe
The point is that having God Bless America, a song which a lot of Americans (myself excluded) seem to be inordinately fond of, performed by a sideshow freak is going to be seen as making a mockery of the song by many. Whether intentional or not.
Interesting point.
I “love America” as much as anyone, but why do we need this song in the 7th inning? Why can’t we have Take Me Out to the Ballgame anymore? Why do we have to fall all over each other pretending to be patriotic?
It’s like the nonsense from the last election when Pooplin said that whasisname wasn’t wearing an American flag lapel pin, as evidence of him being a communist or something. Or that we have to debate forcing six-year-olds to say the Pledge of Allegiance.
What’s the real point? Who are we trying to fool? Ze Germans?
I see your point.
Mostly the attitude here is who cares what other people think. I guess I’ve lived here so long some of it has rubbed off on me as well.
I agree — bring back Take Me Out to the Ballgame. Leave God Bless America to Kate Smith and the Flyers.
Oh, I’ve been to San Francisco. I understand and agree.
But I’m telling you, the knuckle dragging set on Philadelphia sports talk radio will savage this.
And I’ll just about guarantee that FOX NEWS will run with this angle of “disrespecting GBA.”
The regrettable upshot is that this reaction will do more to cement GBA in the 7th than the intent, which was to play with it and flog your stage show. The good news for the Phillies is that after she sang, Chase Utley rediscovered the joy of catching the ball.
by Wet Luzinski on Oct 22, 2010 1:14 AM EDT up reply actions
If having to endure GBA ruining my 7th inning stretch means every scrap of of an advantage in what’s left, a fair exchange.
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by Jose and the Contrarians on Oct 22, 2010 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Case in point
My coworker who is a very conservative Catholic, called it a “disgrace.”
Fact
A friend of mine had a comment that made me laugh for a good couple minutes….
“Why do they have a 60 year old Lady Gaga singing “God Bless America” ?
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
My sister-in-law mentioned Lady Gaga too. I lol’d.
Contreras and I were just looking at him eating this iguana thing over white rice and he put it away like it was a double cheeseburger, you know?
by LeepinLizardz on Oct 22, 2010 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Nice win tonight by the Phillies
especially good work by your bullpen.
My god, yes
Madson was just disgusting. Love that guy.
Maybe I’m the only one who thought so but Lidge’s stuff didn’t look impressive but nobody could hit it so I guess I don’t know shit.
he located the slider extremely well, which is what he has been doing when good recently
by PhilsForever on Oct 22, 2010 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah, but it also looked like it couldve been hit. it wasn’t his extremely dramatic slider. as long as it doesn’t get clobbered, i agree that the location is the tits.
The fact he was throwing it consistently for strikes is good – he needs that pitch to get ahead sometimes. But his real out pitch usually is the slider in the dirt (or nearly so) which somehow hitters can’t lay off of. I think he needs that pitch working to be effective in the long term.
I think I know what you’re getting at but it sounds a little paranoid to be worrying about Lidge for the long term now. It’s elimination time in the playoffs and Lidge hasn’t been scored on in his last ten appearances. What’s important to me is that the tag team of Madson and Lidge is working as well now as ever. And that’s a good sign for the team’s ability to finish off a close game.
by phillyinportland on Oct 22, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Sustainability
When I said long term I was really talking about sustainability. Maybe Lidge can continue to be successful with the slider he was throwing last night, but because that pitch was so different than the one that has been his bread and butter I’m a little concerned.
Somebody – MLB Network analysis I think – said Lidge went out there last night and pitched backwards – which I believe he said was working off the slider with the fastball instead of off the fastball with the slider. So maybe what we were seeing wasn’t intended to be the slider in the dirt but a pitch that hitters think is going to be the fastball but isn’t – but it isn’t his strikeout slider. I don’t know much about pitch identification, but what Lidge threw last night seemed to be working
by phillyinportland on Oct 22, 2010 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions
commenter: did you think this could be your last game as a phillie?
werth: no, thanks for reminding me
Can’t blame him. He knows that he is not going to be here next year, and some part of him is probably not too happy about it. He does not need other people rubbing it in his face.
Hmm, but does it have to be? I mean if your Werth, this is the place where you revived your career. Where your part of a team that won a WS and is on the verge potentially of something special that’s only been done by the infamous 07’ Sox.
Halladay took a paycut to come here, Oswalt sacrificed the option year to come here. Why can’t Werth do the same thing?
And at the same time, we can surely find a way to put Brown in the lineup and develop our future core at the same time.
by LeQuan Glover on Oct 22, 2010 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions
i wish that would happen, but ownership has said they would only sign him short term – and you know they look at it as a business. one year contract from a club that would dump you at the first sign of wrist trouble is a pretty raw deal, even if you are intimately connected to that club.
Dump Ibanez, for all of the great things he’s done, is he really that much better than a full season of Dominic Brown? Werth has shown he’s a clutch hitter, he’s a HR threat virtually every time he steps out there.
He’s far more worthy of remaining on this roster than Ibanez.
Same thing, if the rumors are true and Lee still wants to work this out, why not have a 4-some here? Blanton’s useful maybe to a team that needs a 3rd-to-5th starter. Ibanez has some pop left in his bat.
by LeQuan Glover on Oct 22, 2010 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions
i agree, but i just don’t think ownership will do it, based on what they’ve said. I could see us being able to sign lee longterm, what with all the money freed up after 2011, and them possibly willing to take a hit for one year. I’m also heartened by the way lee raves about the phillies when he’s on other clubs.
also i love jayson just pointing that guy out as being an asshole… guess its a tone thing you had to see it
I think Werth does that a lot—at least that’s the vibe I get. He has a real disdain for reporters. Makes Utley look warm and fuzzy by comparison.
Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est.
There have been some really stupid questions by the press
to both Giant and Philly players
love the snark
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by alcatraz0109 on Oct 22, 2010 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions
*looks into watch*
BIG ROY …. IT’S SHOWTIME
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by Jose and the Contrarians on Oct 22, 2010 12:20 AM EDT reply actions
This is a pretty cool photo:
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/teams/phi/photos;_ylt=AhblbZD1SWvFCGRpKW4exsQ5nYcB#photoViewer
Just thought I’d point it out, ya know.
Thanks to our jolly olly “San Francisco favorite” fuzzy marketing disaster eating and throwing error machine.
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by victor frankenstein on Oct 22, 2010 8:04 AM EDT up reply actions
A win that gives me the energy to carry on deep into the night to finish up work that I put aside for the game in the first place.
The Phils
have gotten to san fran’s bullpen this series, gotta get to sanchez and hopefully cain earlier!
i’m more worried about sanchez. phils can usually hit cain. if they’re slumping they can’t hit anyone, i suppose.
We got Sanchez in game 2. The key to these aces is for our aces to keep us in it for a few innings and for us to be patient and get guys on base. After that, we can sneak in a run or two which is really all you need if Oswalt’s on his game and we can safely go into Madson-Lidge.
by LeQuan Glover on Oct 22, 2010 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Speaking of, I think that Oswalt coming out in game 5 may be a sort of blessing. He got to face the Giants hitters some more, maybe he can tinker with his pitching plan a little for this game based on what he saw.
by LeQuan Glover on Oct 22, 2010 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions
right now i feel like the phils could win on sex appeal alone
by ChuckWerth on Oct 22, 2010 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
truth.
Contreras and I were just looking at him eating this iguana thing over white rice and he put it away like it was a double cheeseburger, you know?
by LeepinLizardz on Oct 22, 2010 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Utley would totally have the backup of the Cole/Halladay tag team. And Madson would be waiting in the wings with a metal chair.
Contreras and I were just looking at him eating this iguana thing over white rice and he put it away like it was a double cheeseburger, you know?
by LeepinLizardz on Oct 22, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m sure this will come up in the next day and a half, but I wonder if Ben Francisco has shown enough the last two nights to earn the start against the lefty, Sanchez. I know Raul got a couple of hits tonight but I think starting Ben might be better.
by phillyinportland on Oct 22, 2010 4:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Had Collective issues to deal with. Excellent post-game analysis FM. I did not read all threads, but did anyone else heard Big Roy had groin pull in2nd inning and still pitched?
"We are the borg. Resistance is futile."
Yeah, heart of a champion that one has.
Yes, bad grammar that was.
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Oh, I'd be remiss if I didn't say one last time that Ho Chi Minh was very very pleased with this performance.
Pessimism of the intellect, optimism of the will.
Uncle Ho
I hope he will be pleased again on Saturday with Roy Oswalt’s performance. I know the team didn’t get the result it wanted from Little Roy in Game Four but I am still in awe of the chutzpah it took to tell Charlie he was ready to pitch the 9th inning. That ranks up there with playing left field in my book. And who knows if keeping Lidge from seeing the Giants in Game Four may have helped him in Game Five. If Lidge gives up a run like Oswalt does, do you feel as confident going to him the next night? Probably not.
by phillyinportland on Oct 22, 2010 4:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Interesting point, albeit one that contradicts j reed’s excellent “No going into enemy territory” philosophy: over on MCC, they’re complaining about the tone of Joe Buck, too, saying that he was jubilant after the final out because everything was back to being right in the world.
I only mention it because it seems like national broadcasts are always interpreted against the team you’re rooting for. I could have sworn that Buck and McCarver were happiest when the Giants were winning; to see the exact opposite expressed over on MCC is revealing.
Very interesting indeed. Alas, I had it on mute, so I wouldn’t know.
Pessimism of the intellect, optimism of the will.
Haha, the better choice all told. Mostly it served as background noise for me; it’s unarguably terrible baseball analysis, regardless. I guess, on mute, no one can argue national bias.
The Giants are the better story in many ways with the motley misfit David and Goliath theme and their but the irony is the last thing Fox wants is a Rangers and Giants WS when they could have two teams who both down 3-1 battled back against serious odds to to win their respective leagues meet in the WS for a rematch. And Fox always wants the Yankees by default – easy ratings booster. Though a Yankees/Giants WS would do well I would think as well as fetch higher ratings than a Philly/Texas ticket.
I have always sort of felt that we were over playing and over dramatizing it. I found that, when watching national broadcasts of teams you care nothing about, people who are fans of the teams involved complain about the stuff broadcasters say when I haven’t noticed anything wrong. I think we, as Phillies fans, often have a point and Joe Bucks is being anti-Philly (the ’08 World Series comes to mind) but mainly I think he justs sucks and likes to gush and gloat over whatever seems to him like a good storyline (like Cody Ross). Oh, and fuck Joe Buck. Dude blows.
by FearTheTurtIe on Oct 22, 2010 1:42 AM EDT up reply actions
I liked when Buck talked about the bad NLCS Utley had last year, then said he did go on to have a good World Series. Then added “power-wise”, as if hitting with (record-setting?) power wasn’t all that awesome and so deserved an asterisk.
by EastFallowfield on Oct 22, 2010 6:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Roger Maris had a pretty good year in 1961, “power-wise,” so even though he won the MVP he only gets an asterisk next to his home run mark for what, 35 years?
by phillyinportland on Oct 22, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Also, thank god this site is full of mostly knowledgeable individuals. I can’t tell you how many gay slurs I have heard when referring to San Francisco, both from Facebook statuses (statsii?) and from people in general (thank god I don’t have to here it daily from some of the idiots who I used to go to high school with). It’s like people think the whole city is gay (and that that is a bad thing). Having lived there, and having been ragged on for it for the same reasons, that shit really pisses me off. That being said, I hope the Phillies put a serious beatdown on the Giants these next two games. I’m thinking 12-1, 13-4 or something like that.
Sort of goes hand-in-hand with the Philthy slurs I’ve been seeing about Philly. As usual, it’s idiots who’ve never been to the cities they condemn. I’ve been to San Fran: it’s lovely, even if it is the enemy right now.
Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est.
I remember a talk radio host once
Local guy, “Big Mike,” he calls himself. I forget what his point was, but to make it, he said, “Now, I’ve never been to San Frangayburg, but…”
That irks the hell out of me.
I feel that if you have never even been to a city, you aren’t really qualified to have an opinion on it. My Aunt is like that—she believes everything she reads. She’s been all over the world, but won’t go to France because she heard they were rude there. I said, “They’re no worse than people in NYC or Philly.”
It’s like saying a type of food sucks when you’ve never tasted it. Eat the damn cauliflower, son.
Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est.
Throw some Jello and Twinkies at those pukes
If Jello was mayor shit like Twinkigate woulda never happened.
by j reed on Oct 22, 2010 2:56 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Big rec for the Jello Biafra reference!
by David S. Cohen on Oct 22, 2010 6:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Blow it out your ass, Jerry Falwell
God must be dead if you’re alive.
Sorry.
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by victor frankenstein on Oct 22, 2010 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Fans at the game on Saturday has better make some NOISE, and not STOP making noise. AT&T was a pressure cooker for our boys and it was definitely the 10th, 11th & 12th man.
Ehh...
…they struck out as well.
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by victor frankenstein on Oct 22, 2010 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Roy Halladay: Throws his balls hard, hard on his balls.
El Camino! El El Camino!
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The front is where you drive, the back is where you
El Camino! El El Camino!
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