Some Phillies Links for You, October 4, 2010: Class Warfare and the Reds, Brutal-n-Vicious, Slip-n-Slide
by Wet Luzinski on Oct 4, 2010 6:28 AM EDT
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Ruiz, Romero depart Phillies' regular-season finale with injury scares
Both expected to be on the NLDS roster, but Ruiz will get checked out today. Classy move by Tim Hudson.
2010 MLB Postseason Schedule
Cancel those late-Wednesday afternoon meetings. Can't wait for Braves fans to whine about some 9:37 p.m. starts as, um, wild card winners.
Prospectus Perspective: Closure [subscription req'd]
Christina Kahrl on yesterday's NL playoff spot-clinching action.
It's a Red(s) October
Todd Zolecki with the game-by-game NLDS analysis.
Reds wary of hostile Phillies fans
Bronson Arroyo, everyone:
"They're aggressive and loud," he said. "For years, Philly football fans have been among the worst in the game, as far as how brutal and vicious they are. I haven't experienced that at Citizens Bank Park. But that was the regular season."
The brass ring is at his fingertips
Don't miss this excellent Matt Gelb article from the Sunday Inquirer in which Jayson Werth's motivation for the beard is REVEALED!
Broad Street Billy: Phillies fans in a sunshine state of mind
He's cute now, but it won't be too long before little Rocco becomes big Rocco
Castoffs play key roles in Giants' success
One of the better in-season GM jobs, from the same guy who had Brian Bocock at short for too much of 2009. With Pat Burrell and Cody Ross on this roster, the Phillies just have to play them, amirite?
Victorious Rays build champagne slip-n-slide
There may be a World Series rematch, but maybe not the one that most of the media are talking about.
Nationals' bullpen proves good to the very end in 14-inning win over Mets
#LOLiver Perez. When the Phillies sucked, I liked reading about games that mattered. Now that they're good, I kind of dig reading about games like this. They kind of have an old comfy shoe feel to them.
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I think fair use permits me to highlight the following passage from the BP article for everyone’s reading pleasure:
Atlanta also had to endure the indignity of a pair of games in which the Phillies decisively cleated the Braves on the throat, just to make it absolutely clear who the class of the league must be before Sunday’s action.
Heh indeedy.
A tad off-topic, but I loved how much the media tried its best to ignore the standing O the Philly faithful gave Donovan McNabb. Why? Because it didn’t fit the “Philly fans are just enormously CLASSLESS douchebags and jerkoffs” template so wonderfully summed up by one Mr. Bronson Arroyo in the above-mentioned story. The Redskin announcers were clearly flummoxed by the response – they were all predicting merciless booing and throwing of goods onto the field.
It is really sad. Of course, you won’t hear much about the ovation at the beginning of the game but you will surely hear about the boos he got when he came out for the first possession or the one fan who burned his jersey in the parking lot.
I guess Philly will never be able to escape this stereotype.
Well as soon as they(Buck and Aikman) started talking about the game they did mention the “wonderful” standing ovation that McNabb got from the Philly faithful.
"You can commit no mistake and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." - Jean-Luc Picard
I didn’t see the beginning of the game. I was coming home and was listening to the Dan Snyder’s Media Behemoth (ESPN 980) and they played the introductions live, and Sonny Jurgenson and Sam Huff were expecting boos and whatnot.
by WanderingMoses on Oct 4, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
I may be in the minority, but I kind of expected what happened- both the standing ovation when he was introduced, and the boos when he went to work and went down the field easily- just as I expected that Pat the Bat would get a warm welcome, followed by booing if/ when he actually did something.,
I was actually expecting about a 70-30 split of cheers and boos. Philly represented very well with 100% cheering.
by WanderingMoses on Oct 4, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
My expectations prior to the game:
1. Introduction: cheers for McNabb — good player, never asked to be traded.
2. Doing stuff on the field: boos for McNabb who ceased to be “McNabb” but rather, “Quarterback, Redskins” when play starts.
I think that was pretty much borne out yesterday.
Remember the Phitans
by RememberthePhitans on Oct 4, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
God, why am I put in the spot of having to give credit Joe Buck?
"I remember being three and I wanted to be a baseball player, that's all I ever really wanted to be. That and Spider Man." -Raul Ibanez
by Jose and the Contrarians on Oct 4, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
What did I do, knife rape a nun?
"I remember being three and I wanted to be a baseball player, that's all I ever really wanted to be. That and Spider Man." -Raul Ibanez
by Jose and the Contrarians on Oct 4, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
It was probably something much worse than that. Purgatory sounds more fun than having to give Joe Buck any kind of credit – you know that at least purgatory will end; giving Joe Buck credit will forever render you unclean.
by WanderingMoses on Oct 4, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I live in the Philadelphia suburbs, so by last Monday I’d had it with adult types reacting to McNabb like they were giggling, gossipy 15-year-olds. It’s sad the degree to which this bread and circus story whipped up the populace.
But the meta-points about Philadelphia fans are well-received. I don’t see much difference between Philadelphia fans and those of Boston and New York in terms of passion, pride, attitude, class, whatevs. I’ll also add Chicago fans, but only of the White Sox variety.
Not sure what is meant by “the media” here, but every story I’ve seen online mentions the standing O in the first few grafs. Didn’t see the game though, so I dunno about the announcers.
Most I have seen had a brief mention…I did say they ‘tried’ to ignore it, but quite a few took on a ‘keep moving folks, nothing to see here’ feel.
by WanderingMoses on Oct 4, 2010 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
There may be a World Series rematch, but maybe not the one that most of the media are talking about.
Fish Fish Fishy Fishy Fish Fish Fish…
I still have that on my computer at home. Here’s a travelling link:
http://www.stumbleaudio.com/share/sandistevie2/4
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by RememberthePhitans on Oct 4, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
wow
I love the Bronson Arroyo quote, Philly fans are perceived as viscous and mean, i haven’t seen that yet…. really? I wonder why… let me go with extremely bad media portrayal, mixed with a few dumb men
I've been waiting my whole life for an Eagles Championship
RIP JJ
Are you referring to the viscosity?
Contreras and I were just looking at him eating this iguana thing over white rice and he put it away like it was a double cheeseburger, you know?
by LeepinLizardz on Oct 4, 2010 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Bronson has no idea what’s in store for him; these quotes make him sound kind of scurred.
Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est.
Maybe he’s trying to fake us out. Like, if I say they’re viscious (or viscous), they’ll get so upset that they’ll try to do the opposite. And then they’ll get confused.
Hamels is 6-0 with a 1.07 ERA in seven starts against Cincinnati, including 3-0 with a 1.67 ERA in four starts at Great American Ball Park.
I like those numbers.
Small sample size. Also, those are just numbers against a uniform, not necessarily the actual guys who currently play for the Reds.
just FWIW
against actual guys who play for the Reds, he’s allowed a batting line of .225/.294/.416. although only one individual Red has more than 16 PA against Hamels (Brandon Phillips with 23).
by perfectdepth on Oct 4, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
oswalt may have the more relevant history, perhaps not by any measured statistical significance. but in terms Reds’ batters familiarity – chances are they had more looks by playing in the same division.
Oswalt vs current Reds: 309 PA, .275/.316/.451 (Bruce, Votto, Phillips, Rolen, Edmonds have 30+ PA)
Halladay vs current Reds: 211 PA, .276/.288/.399 (Cabrera, R. Hernandez, Gomes have 30+ PA)
Blanton vs current Reds: 151 PA, .292/.344/.416 (Cabrera has 30+ PA)
Hamels vs current Reds: 104 PA, .225/.294/.416 (none have 30+ PA)
i thought this was pretty classy
Why the WC isn’t bad at all; I told ya so!
by Sir Veza on Oct 4, 2010 6:35 AM PDT
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2) The Phillies have to play the Reds. Lets face it. We can’t outslug them. SanFran can’t outslug them. However, the Reds can: Jay Bruce, Joey Votto (possibly MVP), and Scott Rolen are having great years! Both teams play in bandboxes which should make for lots of DINGERZ in their series. I believe the X factors for the Reds will be Drew Stubbs and Brandon Phillips. This series could also come down to cry-baby Carlos Ruiz who had to have the waaaaambulance called yesterday after getting plunked by Tim Hudson.
This guy is a snoozefest. Not particularly witty, either.
Since when have the Phillies been outslugging anyone this year? For someone who claims to know more about baseball than us “idiots,” he doesn’t get that the Phils now win through pitching and not slugging (you know, sort of like how the Braves used to do it).
Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est.
but he is apparently a Knight of the British Realm, so that’s cool. and CLASSY
by perfectdepth on Oct 4, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow...I must be slow today
Took several minutes to catch on to
“Sir Veza” (= cerveza)
Christ, the “waaaaambulance.” Memes and baseball do not always mix; what a lame attempt at being diffident.
This guy should be damned to a hell in which he is hit square on the elbow with a 93 mph fastball for the rest of eternity.
The only break he gets is to be punched square on the cheek by a devil that looks suspiciously like Bobby Cox in a sleeveless undershirt.
Pessimism of the intellect, optimism of the will.
Instead of Bobby punching, maybe Chooch could Rochambeau him. That’d be funner.
http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/103724/rochambeau
at :50.
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by RememberthePhitans on Oct 4, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Aren’t they feeling classy this morning! I can’t believe that they are discussing this and Chooch is the one that they feel was bad- never mind that their pitcher HIT him. But then again, they WANT people to get plunked over there. grrr
by dannijd on Oct 4, 2010 2:42 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I missed it- what did he have to say?
by dannijd on Oct 4, 2010 2:42 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He predicted we would win the NL East next year and the Mets are apparently furious with such a display of disrespect…
by Boundforbeach on Oct 4, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Sort of OT
But I’m seeing the sentiment everywhere that unless the Phillies win the WS, they will be considered a disappointment. I find it really sad that a certain portion of our fanbase has become so entitled so quickly.
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Agreed there. I’ll certainly be disappointed at an early exit, mostly because every matchup after this one presents some great story lines. I understand fully the factor of luck that’s involved. In 2008 the Cubs were supposed to beat the Dodgers. The Sox were supposed to beat the Rays.
The only part of me that agrees with wanting the WS win is that the city hasn’t really ever had a dominant team that’s actually won it all. Excepting perhaps the 1983 Sixers? (not a big bball fan). I’ve seen enough of the great teams that were supposed to win come a cropper (1976, 1977, 1983, 1993).
Two others come to mind that did win, a long time ago. The 1966-67 76ers put up a dominant regular season but still had to slay the Celtics in the playoffs before cementing their place as one of the all-time great teams. And the Philadelphia Flyers, in their second Stanley Cup-winning season, 1974-75, were one of the top teams throughout the season and the playoffs. But I agree with your overall point. The only other time I can remember the Phillies being expected to finish on top at the start of the playoffs was (maybe) 1977, when the reigning champion Reds were out and nobody knew how good any of the four playoff teams would be.
by phillyinportland on Oct 4, 2010 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s just human nature, I think. I’m OK with it as long as people don’t reflexively blame them for “choking” if they lose.
Seriously, you know they will. A large majority of them legimately don’t understand the crapshootiness (not a word, but should be) that is the playoffs, esp a short series.
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Some people just can’t accept luck as an explanation for anything. They just feel compelled to cling to the fiction that everyone in the world, on some level, gets what he deserves. In the sports realm, this means blaming losses on a lack of clutchness or a lack of passion, even though there’s no evidence that that stuff exists or matters at that level.
I think this is all rooted in the fact that if you truly accept that life isn’t fair, then you are forced to have empathy for your less fortunate neighbors and to accept some responsibility for their welfare. Some people just don’t want to do that, so they convince themselves that they earned everything they have. The sports stuff is just an outgrowth from that overall attitude about life.
Just a couple of questions....
Does anyone here really think Hudson was trying to hit Ruiz?
If so, what possible reason would he have for doing that?
"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti
Probably not, but whether deliberate or not, it is unacceptable for him to hit two of our key players in the same season with fastballs in spots where one was seriously injured and the other one was injured less seriously but on the eve of the playoffs. If it’s happening with that frequency, then he isn’t being careful enough and needs to pay the consequences. “If you only punish pilots enough, the weather will improve.”
If another pitcher had done the same thing to two of your players, you would be equally furious and you would not be mollified by the excuse that they were accidental. Hudson will get what he deserves.
It’s also difficult for me to ascertain what Braves fans actually think on this matter since they were calling for pretty much all of our players to be beaned repeatedly throughout this series for no apparent reason other than they exist (and were winning).
Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est.
"They" were calling for it?
I can assure you that most Braves fans were not. I was there Sunday along with about 52,000 others, and I don’t think any on us were too happy about a runner reaching base by any means.
I’m fairly certain I’ve read joking references here quite often urging the Phillie’s pitcher to hit a player you don’t like. It’s pretty easy to tell if it is a serious wish or not.
"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti
Point a couple out for me. You’ll have to look pretty hard, IMHO.
Remember the Phitans
by RememberthePhitans on Oct 4, 2010 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions
To be fair, I expressed disappointment when Chipper went down, since I wanted him to have his bat sawed off by Halladay in the last AB of the year while making the last out and missing the playoffs. Cox was then to use the remaining pointy bat handle to commit ritualistic suicide on the mound, but that was just fantasy and conjecture about how the season might end rather than actual hope for the event. Plus, it was facially ridiculous and therefore not really an expression of any sort of ill intent.
I usually call people out when they post ridiculous things about hurting other players. Hoping for injuries or asking for people to get beaned is a rejection of players’ essential worth as human beings. Plus, it’s just a game, for crying out loud.
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by RememberthePhitans on Oct 4, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I shall look...
this evening when I don’t have to sneak around :-)
"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti
I meant on the interwebs not at the actual game. I’ve been to Turner Field a few times; actually quite a nice experience even if it is like sitting on the surface of the sun. Was a Phillies-Braves game, too.
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Sunday's weather..
was fantastic. Just a bit cool in the shade, where I was, especially when the wind was whirling around. It would have been perfect in the sun (for once…I usually end up with those seats in July).
"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti
I was up in the high level seats, early July and it started in the upper 90’s at 4pm and then by 7pm it was over 100. Beer sales must be good that time of year. LOL
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Yep...
thank goodness, though, you can bring in soft drinks and water in bottles, and don’t have to go broke to stay hydrated.
"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti
http://mlb.mlb.com/phi/ballpark/information/index.jsp?content=convenience_guide
Bottles, Cans, Coolers – To ensure the safety of our guests, glass bottles, cans, hard sided coolers, thermoses and open containers may not be brought into the ballpark. Exceptions: baby bottles and single-serve, soft-sided juice containers and soft-sided coolers that do not exceed the 16″ × 16″ × 8″ size requirement.
You can bring in factory-sealed, plastic bottles.
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by RememberthePhitans on Oct 4, 2010 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm really glad we can...
because I’m cheap. We can also bring in any type of food as well.
"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti
I’ll cop to wishing Wagner’s arm getting injured on the clinching pitch, but:
1) only because I believe in the power of age/injury progressions;
2) c’mon, admit it. When Wagner was with the Mets and Phillies, you really NEVER wanted that either? (and you got it too, so don’t pretend otherwise.
maybe once...
"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti
Well...
if it happened in circumstances in which the opposing pitcher really had nothing to lose, I might be a little angry. However, if it happened in a game when his team is in a win or else situation, I’m pretty sure I would be reasonable and logical enough to realize it would be the last thing he wanted to happen, and thus would not need to be mollified.
"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti
The issue is that
It had happened before in the same season. That’s the problem here and it gets the anger up. I’m sure you can understand.
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This. If Hamels had hit Chipper on the elbow in April, screwing it up for the whole season, and then if he hit Heyward during the series this weekend, I imagine a few Braves fans would have their dander up.
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by RememberthePhitans on Oct 4, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I do understand.
I just try to not let emotions overwhelm reason.
"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti
Emotions aren’t overwhelming reason here; we had our moment to be pissed off and now we’re over it. If you let it go, we won’t talk about it for another second, with the caveat that Ruiz is healthy for the entire playoffs.
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no worries....
"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti
It would help if Hudson would have hit Ruiz while making an emoticon using his body a la the YMCA dance. HBPs are like email, and are taken literally oftentimes since the context and give/take of conversation doesn’t get communicated well.
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by RememberthePhitans on Oct 4, 2010 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I imagine they are taken very literally...
when your elbow is hurting like Hades.
However, in this case, the context would seem to have given a clue that it was unintentional.
"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti
But I sort of feel a bit like tacopal here in that I feel like pitchers shouldn’t throw inside unless they feel like they can really consistently control that pitch. If it had been Utley, who’s known to lean in on pitches, it would be one thing—but Polly and Ruiz aren’t generally known for that. That’s all I’m saying and why I will eternally despise John Lannan, whether his HBP’s are intentional or not (and even though they are usually on Utley, it’s ridiculous how this guy can’t control his inside FB against him).
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Looking at the stats...
it appears that Hudson hits batters at almost the same rate as Cole Hamels. So, do you feel as though Hamels is unable to consistently control the inside pitch?. I don’t. I don’t think Hudson is either.
It seems reasonable to assume that even a pitcher who doesn’t hit a lot of batters is more likely to hit two players on the same team if that team is in their division, since they play those teams more that twice as much as teams outside the division.
"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti
Cole Hamels is made entirely of snowflakes and unicorns. He is incapable of evil or ill-intent. To the extent that he hits anybody, it is only of “soft” parts of the batters’ bodies so that an important lesson is conveyed firmly, but in a manner unlikely to cause any enduring harm, since kittens would cry if Cole did anything evil.
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by RememberthePhitans on Oct 4, 2010 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions
But hit with resulting injury is different than merely hitting. I think that’s the issue here.
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To be fair, I think that HBP leading to injury (except for a “head hunting” shot) has probably got an element of BABIP to it. Unless you’re aiming at Prince Fielder’s ass.
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by RememberthePhitans on Oct 4, 2010 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Luck or not, it’s a side effect of the inside pitch—it can result in injury. People hit other people with cars all the time accidentally—injuries are sustained and it’s legally ruled no one’s fault—but cars are still weapons that need to used with caution.
A 95mph fastball is a weapon.
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Not if you’re Danys Baez.
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by RememberthePhitans on Oct 4, 2010 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions
And if he had hit a few of your players and injured them I would totally understand if you can’t stand the sight of him.
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Well, really...
I can’t stand the sight of him anyway…I mean, just look at that picture up there. Isn’t that a little embarrassing?
"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti
Maybe so...
and I might think it was a wonderful picture if it was in a frame in their bedroom, but if my husband was a professional athlete, and I somehow coerced him into letting that photo be used in an advertisement, I should be charged with spousal abuse.
"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti
Yes, I hate Cole Hamels because he is a successful baseball player who impregnated his porn star wife atop the tallest building in the city after winning the World Series MVP, or possibly in the backseat of the hot convertible he won.
fact check!
Technically I think it’s only the third tallest building. Not sure what the Billy Penn-related implications of that might be. Also, Heidi was really just moonlighting with the pr0n.
Hamels, by the way, has perfected the art of the “Pitching Emoticon”, to the chagrin of the press. They misunderstand the genius of this new form of communication and call it “pouting” or “losing his cool”. Really, he’s just passing along additional and useful information to others about his state of mind. As a society, we’re just not ready to communicate with such an advanced being, so the collective response of fear and loathing is unsurprising.
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by RememberthePhitans on Oct 4, 2010 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions
You aren’t listening. Reason suggests that Hudson was not hitting Ruiz intentionally. But as I already explained to you, the accusation here is not that Hudson hit Ruiz intentionally. The accusation is that he pitched inside carelessly to advance his competitive advantage and that that was what resulted in Ruiz being hit (and frankly, in a more sensitive, injury-prone area of his body than he would have been hit in had it been intentional).
The mere fact that an action on the field is consistent with the spirit of competition does not make it acceptable. Harms that you cause in the process of trying to win can still be harms for which you are responsible. Likewise, harms that you cause carelessly rather than intentionally are still harms for which you are responsible. Even if we agree that Hudson acted unintentionally and with the goal of winning, he still wronged the Phillies. This is consistent with reason. The problem here is that you are not understanding the basis of our objection.
I think the terms you are looking for are “gross negligence” or “recklessness” as opposed to “intentional”.
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by RememberthePhitans on Oct 4, 2010 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah those work. I don’t even think it has to be that strong. The rule, I think, is go ahead and pitch inside, we’re not going to ban it, but you are responsible for whatever happens as a result.
You can even get one get-out-of-jail-free card. The grousing about Polanco’s injury was minimal, even though that HBP had a pretty devastating result on his season. But two is unacceptable. Hudson deserves to be punished in proportion to the harm he caused.
Who called the pitches? Was Ruiz leaning/crowding? What about Polanco? Is liability joint or several or joint and several? Was Mrs. Palsgraf involved in any way?
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by RememberthePhitans on Oct 4, 2010 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, I get what you are saying.
This seems to be an extremely “male” way of thinking. This is why we have wars.
"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti
This is why we have wars.
No, no, no…we just need to use more emoticons! Plus, they are super cute!
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by RememberthePhitans on Oct 4, 2010 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions
HE'S OK
Still sore,but should be ready for game 1……
Theeee jay Resh
by PHILLYBOY1978 on Oct 4, 2010 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions
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