Some Phillies Links For You, October 8, 2010: More Roy Halladay Stuff, Tim Lincecum Answers
Kyle Kendrick was in the Phillies clubhouse by 10:30 a.m., 2 1/2 hours before the start of an off-day workout. "Roy was already here," the pitcher said with a look of admiration.
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South Philly Family Witnessed Larsen's Perfect Game, Halladay's No-Hitter
We got a regular Zelig over here.
Phillies playoff ticket prices begin to spike
Ah hell, who needs two kidneys?
Yankees Roll, Rangers Rumble, and Giants Leap…
ALCS matchup appears to be just about set. What the hell happened to the Rays?
Chapman on fast track to success
Travis Chapman is back at Reading?
Halladay's no-hitter ripples through baseball
Damn Ruben Amaro, Jr., you crazy.
Reds confident they can get the best of Phillies' Oswalt in Game 2
Statistical irrelevance is fun!
Halladay helps with lessons for Phillies' Instructional League team
Key points include: Be More Awesome!
Lincecum delivers a game for the ages
Lincecum strikes out 14 and surrenders just two hits. Some good pitching in the postseason so far...
Dallas Green: A first-hand witness to history
Special Advisor issues statement that Halladay is "satisfied being the greatest pitcher on the planet, when he could be a rhinoceros or a leopard if he wanted."
Zoo With Roy: A Reflection on Roy's No-Hitter
ZWR comes through with a real moment. Go read this now.
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Lincecum was all over the place in the early going, but I guess he righted his ship without any damage (actually, he appeared to have already settled down by the time I cut out and went to bed, which I think was the 4th). Also, it’s interesting that today everyone seems to be talking about the missed call on Posey’s stolen base. I’d thought he might have been out, but the announcers didn’t talk about the tag at all, which I thought was weird.
I would go more "effectively wild"
From what I saw it was not so much that he had great command, as that a lot of pitches batters swung at were out of the zone. That being said- Lincecum was amazing- it is not often that a pitcher can induce that level of confusion. Wow.
by dannijd on Oct 8, 2010 11:41 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
It would be pretty frightening. Zeros all over the place.
by WanderingMoses on Oct 8, 2010 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/phillies/mlb/Phillies_workout_1072010.html
I thought picture #15 was pretty funny.
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Halladay, Oswalt, and Hamels discuss plans for Joe Bingin’ Blanton’s intervention once the post season is over.
“And Little Roy, just remember you’re taking him to his birthday party, rtight?”
by phillyinportland on Oct 8, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
26 is great. It almost begs for a caption. “Bags fly free?” I should have flown Southwest. “I’m just plane stupid”
by Boundforbeach on Oct 8, 2010 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions
dammit. why couldn’t I come up with that?
by Boundforbeach on Oct 8, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
- is pretty funny, too, just because Arroyo is the Game 2 starter.
Honor is no substitute for victory.
He said he would be. I really hope that he is- after all that he has went through this season it would be a shame for him to miss the playoffs.
by dannijd on Oct 8, 2010 11:45 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Some captions
1. Werth responds to an original question about the beard.
3. Charlie grooves on Mitch Williams’ Troggs medley.
4. Roy learns salsa.
16. Photographer reviews #15, decides to crop Joe.
17. Oswalt starts The Crane…
18. …and Lidge shows him what comes next.
Since I probably posted this too late yesterday for all but a few to read, it, here’s a blurb on Halladay from the New Yorker.
Also, as seen on ZWR, profile of ZWR in the New York Times: http://bats.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/10/07/a-roy-halladay-blog-made-of-dreams/
I gotta say, that ZWR post was unexpected. Pretty deep and not in the least bit off the wall. It did a great job of capturing what a lot of people love about baseball… our Dads.
OT- anyone see The Office last night. I thought that show had jumped the shark, but I thought it was pretty damn funny.
On ZWR, a poster pointed out that tonight it’s Arroyo vs. A Roy, yo. I must need more coffee b/c I chuckled quite a bit at that.
Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est.
Here in the Bay Area, on the Giants' postgame show commentator FP Santangelo commented
that Liincecum’s pitching performance was better than Halladay’s because he was “more dominant.”
WTF?
Sure, Lincecum K’d 14, and his performance was a marvel to watch. But Halladay threw a NO HITTER, throwing just 107 pitches. I’m not one of those who only sees K’s as dominance. In addition, the Reds’ lineup is far more powerful than the Braves’ lineup.
Eye of the beholder IMO. However, it was a higher pressure situation and Timmah’s game score was higher. w/e Winning is the important thing.
Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est.
All too true. I am taking nothing away from
Lincecum’s performance, which was stellar, but Halladay’s was definitely the more historic performance over a more offensivelly dominant team- the Braves squad that Lincecum dominated was held to three hits by Vance Worley and several Phillies relievers less than a week ago.
That being said- both performances were impressive, and I tip my cap to both pitchers- impressive playoff debuts gentlemen!
by dannijd on Oct 8, 2010 11:54 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Over the last 10 years or so our knowledge of the true nature of what a hit means to a pitcher (or a hitter, for that matter) has increased exponentially. It turns out that most pitchers “control” whether batted balls in play become hits or outs only to a very small degree. Guys who get a lot of groundballs tend to allow fewer hits on balls in play than others, but the difference isn’t great. So from this perspective, a no-hitter, while by anyone’s standards a good game, is as much about luck and the performance of the defense as it is about the pitcher.
On the other hand, the peripheral stats that pitchers can best control are strikeout rate and walk rate. And it so happens that these are perhaps the best two indicators of pitching performance – if you strike guys out, they can’t put the ball in play, and if you don’t walk guys, then there won’t be many guys on base to be driven in when balls in play fall in for hits.
Halladay and Lincecum each walked one batter in their respective starts; but Halladay allowed 20 balls in play while Lincecum only allowed 13. The fact that two of Lincecum’s BIPs landed for hits doesn’t say much about Lincecum himself as compared to Halladay (although the fact that both were pretty hard hit and IIRC he gave up some other hard-hit balls whereas there were virtually no hard-hit balls against Halladay. But this is nitpicking.
To me, dominance as a pitcher means not giving the hitter a chance to beat you, and that means striking him out. Although I suppose you could make an argument that Halladay’s pitching style manifests in a different kind of dominance; his pitches are easier to make contact with, but they’re incredibly hard to make solid contact with. So the hitters head back to the dugout just as baffled.
To your last point, depends on how you define dominance. If you can induce guys to hit your pitches into the ground, you throw fewer pitches in your career, last longer (unless you are a freak of nature like Nolan Ryan or Steve Carlton) and, long term, can dominate them for a much longer time frame. Feels like we are trying to define “Which is the better car?” by comparing a drag racer to a Prius. YMMV.
Yeah there are always tradeoffs. Ideally, you would want to strike people out AND induce more grounders than flies and liners on balls in play AND keep your pitch counts down so that you can go deeper into games. But it’s pretty much impossible to be the best in all three categories, so being ranked lower in one category doesn’t necessarily mean you’re inferior if you make up for it in other categories.
Also I think the BABIP = Luck axiom is not quite as axiomatic at the micro level of a single game. If a pitcher gives up a weakly hit ball, that generally does mean he threw a better pitch than the pitcher who gives up a hard hit ball. It’s just that over a large sample size, the margins show up at the K, BB, and HR ends of the spectrum.

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