Ugly Beauty: Phillies 7, Reds 4
by dajafi on Oct 8, 2010 10:22 PM EDT
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PrintIf the Phillies' Game One win over the Reds in the National League Division Series, a no-hitter pitched by ace of aces Roy Halladay, was an epic love story that we'll all remember forever, their Game Two triumph was a 4am beer-goggle hookup that, at least in terms of aesthetics, most would choose to forget.
Starter Roy Oswalt went just five innings, Chase Utley made two errors, Placido Polanco and Jimmy Rollins both took 0-for-5s, the team needed six pitchers for the regulation nine innings and no Phillie had an extra-base hit. But they took a 2-0 lead nonetheless, thanks largely to four Cincinnati errors, six walks and three hit batsmen. Of the Phils' seven runs on the night, just two were earned. This is unlikely to be of much consolation to Dusty Baker's team as they head back home facing the daunting prospect of needing to beat Cole Hamels, Halladay and Oswalt in succession to continue in the 2010 playoffs.
Despite his 23-3 lifetime record against the Reds, Oswalt might not seem such an obstacle after tonight. He terminated the Phils' 30 inning scoreless streak against Cincinnati before recording an out, surrendering a homer to Brandon Phillips to lead off the game. Utley's two throwing errors in the second inning let the Reds double the lead, a Jay Bruce solo shot made it 3-0 in the third, and a deep sacrifice fly by Joey Votto to score Phillips again in the fifth stretched the lead to 4-0. Oswalt left after five, allowing those four runs (three earned) on five hits and a walk against five strikeouts.
Bronson Arroyo kept the Phils off-balance and off the board with his Moyeresque array of soft stuff through four, and would have made it five were it not for consecutive two-out errors with men on by Phillips and Scott Rolen. With the bases loaded, Utley got a measure of redemption by singling in two runs, but Arroyo struck out Ryan Howard to escape further trouble. The Phils drew closer in the sixth, as Arroyo walked Jayson Werth to lead off the inning, retired Jimmy Rollins, then gave way to Arthur Rhodes. Rhodes struck out Raul Ibanez, but hit Carlos Ruiz with a pitch. Dusty Baker removed Rhodes for Logan Ondrusek--who hit pinch-hitter Ben Francisco to load the bases. With the crowd roaring, Ondrusek walked Shane Victorino on five pitches to score Werth and make the score 4-3. But Placido Polanco grounded out to end the inning.
After Jose Contreras held the Reds off the board in the top of the seventh, the Phils faced Aroldis Chapman and his 100-plus mile fastball. My main hope as the bottom of the seventh began was that Chase Utley, sometimes known as The Human Magnet for his HBP tendencies, wouldn't take a Chapman heater off any particularly vulnerable or baseball-useful part of his physical form. Yet Utley did earn first base the hard way--or rather the hard-ish way, as a Chapman pitch might have passed close enough by his hands to disrupt the vaseline-gelled hairs on Chase's fingers. Howard struck out, but Werth's soft grounder to Rolen at third enabled Utley to beat the throw to second, bringing up Rollins with two on and one out. He hit a soft fly toward Bruce in right--which, between the lights and the crowd noise and a few thousand waving white towels in his field of vision, Bruce misjudged as it dipped under his glove, allowing Utley and Werth to score and giving the Phils a 5-4 lead. After Ibanez singled to right, Ruiz chopped a slow grounder to short that forced Ibanez at second but let Rollins score to stretch the lead to 6-4.
Ryan Madson worked around a Joey Votto single and a wild pitch to keep the Reds off the board in the top of the eighth, and the Phillies stretched their lead to 7-4 on a one-out Utley single (further suggesting Chapman's fastball didn't, um, touch his hands) and steal of second, and a Werth single through the left side. That brought Brad Lidge on to finish things off in the ninth. Lidge momentarily sped up heart rates by walking Bruce to lead off the inning, but got Drew Stubbs and pinch-hitter Miguel Cairo to fly out to center. Chris Heisey came up as the Reds' last hope, and blasted a rocket toward third--where Polanco picked it off on a hop and fired a strike across the diamond to finish off the game.
This is a story without a hero: Contreras got the win for his scoreless inning of relief, Lidge earned a save despite giving up a walk and a smash, and no Phillie so much as doubled (though Werth and Ibanez each reached base three times, on two singles and a walk). Yet this win is probably as or more representative of playoff baseball as the Halladay masterpiece: one team, given a sizable early lead with a highly touted defense and bullpen to protect it, absolutely self-destricted. and the other threw them a cinderblock rather than a life preserver.
The series shifts to Ohio Sunday, as the Phils try to finish off the Reds behind Cole Hamels. Johnny Cueto goes for Cincinnati.
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The Utley HBP
So what happened there? At the park, it seemed like it hit off his hand, which was scary considering the 100+MPH heater. But, your writeup makes it sound like it barely touched him?
That explains what WC and I were shocked about afterwards while watching in the stands — how the hell Utley wasn’t immobilized by being hit by that fastball!
by David S. Cohen on Oct 8, 2010 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions
They asked him in postgame if he was hit by the pitch, and I’m paraphrasing, but he said he thought he had been—it happened so fast—he wasn’t sure. Hmmm, c’mon, Uts. A 101mph FB and you’re not sure if it hit you?
He pulled a Jeter, but that’s Utley. He’ll do anything to win. But Bruce makes that catch and it’s all moot anyway. Or perhaps if in the previous inning, 2 different Reds’ pitchers didn’t hit 2 consecutive Phils’ batsmen, they would have given them the benefit of the doubt.
Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est.
He didn't pull a Jeter at all.
Jeter grimaced, rolled around on the ground, and had some fake blood gushing out. Utley just ran to first.
And besides, maybe it was close enough that he felt it go by… maybe it really did “disrupt the vaseline-gelled hairs on his finger.”
OK, it was a minor Jeter. He sold it, but like I said, it’s not like he had to work too hard to sell it since they couldn’t command their inside pitches the inning prior.
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He sold it?
He dropped the bat and jogged to first. if the umpire wanted to stop him, he should have.
Dude, I love Utley, but even I’m not too much of a homer to admit this stuff. He took his glove off and shook his hand when he was at first. Look, it’s part of the game and most fans would be glad to have someone who plays as hard as he does.
We got some luck, but the Reds certainly didn’t help themselves. I don’t like the fact that there’s quite a few ppl today saying the Phils cheat to win. When you commit 4 errors and hit 2 other batsmen, you really don’t have the right to say the Phillies cheated or that your team outplayed the other.
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Homer?
What does any of this have to do with being a homer? Sure it could skew your ultimate decision, but that is about it. I still think it glances off his wrist area. Maybe I’m wrong. What I didn’t see was this huge acting job that people are creating. He looked at the ump, raised his arm, and was awarded first base. I’ve seen guys do that and get told to shut the fuck up and get back in the box. Why is it the assumption that it missed him? Because Utley is being coy about his answer? It’s just poor logic to assume the opposite is correct.
Quote from Utley after the game: “I think it might have grazed me.” If he was hit by a 102 MPH fastball, he would have known. Whether he felt the ball swipe is jersey of the whoosh that went by is something known only by Chase Utley. Yes, he did act. I had no problem with what Jeter did, nor do I have a problem with what Utley did, nor would I be upset if Votto did it. Acting and exaggerating is part of the game and sports in general that I have learned to deal with.
I agree with doubleh. No team that has 4 errors and 2 other hit batsmen can look at themselves and say they outplayed the opposition and should have won the game.
Now that's what I call high quality H2O!
If he was hit by a 102 MPH fastball, he would have known.
No, not necessarily. If an object grazes you at a 179.99-degree angle, you’re not going to feel much of anything even if it’s traveling at 300 MPH.
Yes, he did act.
When? I just looked at the video again, twice. At what point in the clip did that occur?
Thank you for viewing it like a rational person. He literally looked at the umpire for a second and then jogged to first. Asking to go to first and acting are two wildly different things. It’s ridiculous.
If you want to point to acting, point to Utley bent over at first base. I love how the guesswork now leads to the conclusion that “his life was flashing before his eyes!!”.. Yea maybe. Or maybe his arm hurt? Nobody knows. You guys sound like a bunch of pathetic Reds fans.
I don’t think it makes me pathetic nor irrational that I think Utley may have played it up a little bit. I have no problem with it, either.
We’re up 2 games to none. Why is everyone so goddamned sensitive around here?
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Oh craaaap doubleh is off her meds and on the loose again
I’ll call the twinkie mobile
I don’t think your crazy – Now me on the other hand, since I already have booked safe passage on the Disorient Express, I’d go as far as nominating Utley along side Jeter for best “hit by pitch dive” in this year’s baseball emmys…..
Scenario 1: Pitch hits and breaks hand.
Scenario 2: Pitch misses hand by three inches.
Scenarios 3 – infinity: Everything in between, including (a) the pitch just nicking the batting glove and (b) the pitch whizzing close enough to cause the batting glove to flutter without actually hitting it.
It’s as silly to say that Utley sold it as it is to claim that if he had gotten it, he’d be on the ground in paroxysms of pain.
I think I agree with this analysis. It is possible to be genuinely unsure if a ball hit you, even a 100-mph ball.
I have my doubts as to whether the ball actually hit Utley, but I can’t say it didn’t for sure. His comments at the press conference could be interpreted as “I thought I felt something as it went by but I wasn’t sure if it made contact, so I held my hand up for the ump and relied on him to call me back if he didn’t think it hit me.”
If that’s what happened, it isn’t any different from when batters start walking to first base on a borderline pitch for ball four.
I find it fascinating that so many are holding up that sequence of events involving Utley as support for a more expansive replay regime; the replays I’ve seen of both the HBP and the would be force-out are inconclusive. Imagine how long it would take for a booth ump to decide whether to overturn them (esp. the HBP).
Regardless of whether the ball grazed Utley’s arm/hand or not, my own thought at the time was of how close – an inch at most – that came to breaking a bone and ending Utley’s postseason.
by phillyinportland on Oct 9, 2010 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with you, but this is nothing new- last year he “singled” off his body in the NLDS and gave a similarly coy response.
by dannijd on Oct 9, 2010 3:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
It did look as if it redirects in slow motion
"I tried to run him over but Eli had his big boy pads on and he kind of stopped me from getting in the end zone. The next time I’ll try to jump over his head.’’ - Asante Samuel
by foos05 on Oct 8, 2010 10:39 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I agree with this, it redirected. A glancing hit would not hurt as much as a direct hit (or possibly might not be felt at all if it just grazed his glove or whatever), but it still gets you to first base. There was no chicanery here, it was a legitimate call on an inside pitch that strayed too far inside and was in Chase’s personal space.
by BigPhillyStyle on Oct 9, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Probably hurt less
than the Reds’ pride.
by Minor Leaguer on Oct 8, 2010 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think it hit him, but the home plate ump was probably already not thrilled with Chooch taking a fastball off the kneecap immediately follwed by Francisco getting his helmet knocked off.
I was a little surprised that there was no warning to the benches after the Francisco HBP… 2 in as many batters seemed a little ridiculous to be accidental.
I sincerely, sincerely doubt that Chapman is throwing at people in the 7th inning of a 2-run playoff game.
It didn’t look like it hit him on the replay, but the way that both Utley and the umpire reacted so quickly, I figured that it nipped him the tiniest bit — umps have to go on sound for that sort of thing, and he didn’t hesitate at all to give him the base. Neither Chapman nor (even more telling) Hanigan seemed to complain to the ump either.
That’s all circumstantial, and I’d certainly be pissed if I were a Reds fan right now, but I’d lean slightly toward the “It hit him” side of the spectrum personally.
by PhillyFriar on Oct 8, 2010 11:35 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Here’s the video clip.
http://philadelphia.phillies.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=12780939
But it’s basically impossible to tell anything from it.
I don’t think it’s necessarily the case that Utley couldn’t have been certain he’d been hit just because Chapman throws as hard as he does. Whether the pitch is coming in at 88 or 105, there’s still an angle at which it could just graze you. If the pitch isn’t hitting you head-on, then you’re not going to feel much pain no matter how fast it’s coming.
That doesn’t mean he was hit though. I’m just going to throw up my hands and say I don’t know.
Now the call on fielder’s choice, on the other hand, that I’m doubtful about.
On ESPN Nomar Garciaparra said he had analyzed the replays of both the hit by pitch and the play at second base involving Utley – and said the replay was not conclusive on either play. Sometimes the calls go your way, sometimes they don’t. But neither one seems to be a blatantly bad call.
by phillyinportland on Oct 9, 2010 1:12 AM EDT up reply actions
This article disagrees. Talk about a sensationlistic piece of crap. That article would bother me even if it were about the Phillies getting screwed.
by FearTheTurtIe on Oct 9, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
By my count
The Phillies had 20 base runners despite only 8 hits. 6 walks, 3 errors (the other error was on a play that was already an error), and 3 hit batsmen. That’s insane.
And it points out how strange it is for Dusty Baker to be saying he felt like the Reds outplayed the Phillies (not sure those were the words he used) when your team puts 11 men on base in 9 innings and the other team has 20 base runners in 8 innings. All I can say is, if the Phillies had not cashed in those three runs in the 7th inning and had lost this game, we’d probably be feeling like Dusty Baker right now – how the hell did we just lose?
by phillyinportland on Oct 9, 2010 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions
It was a bit odd, in that his top leg slid over the bag and beat the throw, but his lower leg (the one that actually touched the base on the pop-up slide) came in later. The top leg effectively screened the umpire’s view. At full speed, in real time, that’s a tough call to make.
by Wet Luzinski on Oct 8, 2010 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions
See, I didn’t see that his top leg actually slid over the bag. Are we sure that’s what happened? If so, he could very well have been out; if not, he was definitely safe.
Here’s the video of that play:
http://philadelphia.phillies.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=12781057
On the real-time angle he looks safe, but if you pause it right at 0:50, he looks really out.
ESPN Commentary
Reds have had not had 2-error inning since 1973 World Series. Tonight, they had two 2-error innings.
Phillies were lucky to get these errors, and were able to capitalize on them (and the HBPs)
The team that made Bud Harrelson famous!
by phillyinportland on Oct 9, 2010 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Probably meant the 73 NLCS, since the Mets went to game 7 in the WS with Oakland.
by WanderingMoses on Oct 9, 2010 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions
You're right
I overlooked the fact that it was the Mets, not the Reds, who played in the 1973 World Series. Good catch. Writers are having a lot of trouble keeping their facts straight with all the postseason details.
by phillyinportland on Oct 9, 2010 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I've never been
one to care for how or why something happens, just knowing that it did is enough. A win is a win and hopefully Cole can pitch well for Game 3.
One thing I do want to mention though is that I think I can strike out Howard.
Nope
I’m a righty but it’s in the low 80s and a bit wild. I figure if I can put it with and around 6" of the strike zone he should swing at it. I can throw the knuckle as well, although it always seemed to have some slight rotation so not a 100% pure knuckleball.
But, that’s assuming I have the same stuff as I did in high school.
I kind of feel bad for the Braves, they look so bad out there. I’d like for that series to be a little more competitive.
Only insofar as it makes the two teams wear each other out, and/or it set the Braves up for even greater and more crushing disappointment.
Remember the Phitans
by RememberthePhitans on Oct 8, 2010 11:28 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Watching the San Fran game
I hate to get into ugly stereotypes, but pom poms? Really
I'm not drunk I'm just drinking.
Oh Mickey, You’re so fine…..
Christ. I am old enough to remember the video. :(
How's your wife and my kids?
Went to high school in Tucson. I knew people who went to school with her. That was her actually high school cheerleading uniform (damned if I can remember which school it was now…).
http://www.thegoodphight.com
With TB sucking and Burl stroking it in SF, there is certainly no shortage of good wood for a Bat on the west coast right now.
Remember the Phitans
by RememberthePhitans on Oct 8, 2010 11:30 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
As Titanic to the iceberg, I think we are full steam ahead to another installment of PTB, NLCS style.
by Wet Luzinski on Oct 8, 2010 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions
But, but
When will he (you) find the time?
by phillyinportland on Oct 9, 2010 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions
I was at the game today (1st time I’ve been to a Phillies game in my life). Wow. What an experience. Unfortunately I was behind 3rd base so that Chase Utley’s back was to me so therefore, I can’t offer an opinion either way as to whether or not the ball hit him. The crowd reacted pretty quickly, but I did not see anything. Either way, it was an amazing time and I probably won’t be able to talk for the next 5 days.
Now that's what I call high quality H2O!
Wow
What a game for your first!
My first was an interleague game against the Yankees in 2001. It was less good.
Gah! 1st playoff game, I meant. I’ve been to quite a few regular season games, both at CBP and the Vet.
/Beer’s really kicking in now.
Now that's what I call high quality H2O!
The game was a loss, but think about what that year turned out to be the start of. ;-)
Even for a 1st playoff game, it was still an incredible game to go to. That place was rocking all game long, as bizarre as the game turned out to be.
Now that's what I call high quality H2O!
Well, it was the start of a sweep. I did get to go to Game 2 against the Brewers in 2008 though, so that was nice.
I’ve only been to one home Phillies game, in the last year of the Vet. I did see them a number of times in Fulton County Stadium, since we used to vacation in Atlanta (it’s closer than Philly). Never been to a playoff game for baseball. My only playoff experience is one Magic game the first time they made the playoffs.
Honor is no substitute for victory.
Chapman, victim of the ESPN Hype Machine?
by Sept.28.Oct.27.Dec.28.2008 on Oct 8, 2010 11:38 PM EDT reply actions
Have to agree. He has great heat, but would also say that big league hitters can , and will pick upa fastball and hit it out.
"We are the borg. Resistance is futile."
He threw at least one slider that I saw and it looked pretty hittable. I recall Johnson’s slider being low-90’s and Chapman’s was 87 and it hung.
Not that one bad pitch means anything.
I don’t think so. His stuff was every bit as good as advertised, and that that inning spiraled out of control was largely not his fault. Think about that inning…
HBP (maybe)
Strikeout
Fielder’s choice (Rolen should have taken the out at 1st base)
Error (soft fly ball missed by Bruce, dropped ball by Phillips)
Single (line drive by Ibanez)
Groundout
Single (bloop hit)
Groundout
I count one hard hit ball there, and you can fault Chapman for hitting Utley as well (though that’s admittedly dubious), but that’s three misplays by his defense and a bloop single. Anyone who saw this game should realize that it’s the fielders behind him that cost the Reds the game, not Chapman.
I’m wondering how he’ll do in the future as a starter, if he’ll last etc. Curious if that pitching mechanics site that was ref’d when Strasburg went for TJ has looked at Chapman
by Sept.28.Oct.27.Dec.28.2008 on Oct 8, 2010 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions
He needs some work to become a starter
He looked gased from one inning(all be it a long one)
I'm not drunk I'm just drinking.
by no1pipelayer on Oct 8, 2010 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions
nothing on chapman but this site is really good for those who missed it before
by Sept.28.Oct.27.Dec.28.2008 on Oct 8, 2010 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Has Heyward hit the rookie wall? Certainly seemed that way when the Phils played him and he hasn’t looked great so far in this series.
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Utley
Might have had the worst game by a great player in a win I can ever recall. The 8th inning single may have been the only legitimate good thing he did all night.
Two errors
One possibly phantom HBP
One iffy safe call at 2B
One missed 3B bag (uncalled)
He DID have the 2 out, 2 run single to put the Phillies on the board. That was pretty important.
Pessimism of the intellect, optimism of the will.
Yup.
And to give him some benefit of the doubt: (1) most players would never have made that first error because they would never have gotten to the ball in the first place; and (2) the iffy safe call at second base really isn’t a reflection on him at all.
But yeah, weird game for him tonight.
Plus are we sure he didn’t actually touch third? There was no really good angle. The only replays I’ve seen you can’t tell whether his toe touched the bag on not. I kinda have the feeling the bag made a, for lack of a better word, tangent line to his toes.
by FearTheTurtIe on Oct 9, 2010 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Actually thought the redemption 2 RBI AB was impressive. Waited on that change-up that tailed right into the inside corner and got alot of barrel on the ball. I’ll begrudgingly give Arroyo props with that pitch. He located it well all night even with that shitty fastball he wasn’t throwing for strikes. It was a hard pitch to handle though Vic got a hold of one but it went right to Jay Bruce.
Kind of harsh, really.
Two errors, but you’ve (usually) got to reach the ball to make an error. But, yeah. Errors is teh badness.
I’ll give him the HBP. Replays are inconclusive outside Cincinnatti.
The replays are again inconclusive on the call at 2B, but the ump wasted no time in throwing up the arms.
Rolen said Utley touched third.
Utley said he definitely touched third as well.
Considering how he danced around the HBP question, sounded truthful.
by EastFallowfield on Oct 9, 2010 5:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Might have had the worst game by a great player in a win I can ever recall.
This is the only post in this thread I really disagree with so far. In fact, during the game I posted “Utley is very, very good, even if he is not hitting! Or fielding!” Even without the RBI hit, but especially including it, it is Utley who changed the game last night. Unquestionably. Just as Dave Roberts (not a great player) is remembered for changing the 2004 ALCS. Not everyone would even make the quick decision to go to first. This is one area where the advanced stats (that some of us at TGP so treasure) don’t quite make it.
Yes, the Reds melted down like a 1940s or 1960s or late 1990s Phils teams would have. But it on nights like last night, the words of Rudy Tomjanovich ring in my mind: “Don’t ever underestimate the heart of a champion!”
Maddux, Glavine, Smoltz. Halladay, Hamels, Oswalt.
I just want to thank Scott Rolen
He’s the one ex Phillie who keeps on giving
I'm not drunk I'm just drinking.
Damn it. And whoever this jackass on TBS is keeps saying erra…it’s errOR. There’s a fucking R in it.
Dick Stockton
And he’s light years better than Joe Buck.
Right duh. That’s his name. The erra thing is annoying as hell though. And who isn’t light years better than Joe Buck?
by FearTheTurtIe on Oct 9, 2010 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Buck is a better football announcer than he is a baseball announcer.
Dick Stockton is an all-round terrible announcer.
Now that's what I call high quality H2O!
Stockton was a really good announcer in his day. His problem is just that he’s almost 70 years now and losing it.
As for the “erra” thing, that’s how you say it if you grow up in New York or New England. Stockton’s wiki page says he was born in Philadelphia and we don’t drop our r’s here, but presumably he didn’t grow up here.
Hawk Harrelson says it like that. “That’s an errah on (player).”
2005 Chicago White Sox. 2006 Chicago Rush. 2008 Philadelphia Phillies. 2009-10 Chicago Blackhawks. CHAMPIONS.
Doctober: Roy Halladay's postseason no-hitter (2nd in history!) ~ 10-6-10
"We're going to try and knock the crap out of everybody." ~ Brian Urlacher
Is Cody Ross really a defensive replacement? Is he appreciably better than Burrell?
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I don’t know about that. He’s not super mobile out there, but he has a good arm and always throws to the right base.
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Yea I don’t like that call either. And it was for a pinch runner with two outs in the sixth, and Juan Uribe was up. Bad call. They may miss his bat. And wtf Giants bullpen. They Braves are annoying as hell with these late inning comebacks.
by FearTheTurtIe on Oct 9, 2010 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Meh. If you want to be the best, you have to beat the best.
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No, but if the Phils don’t win, would you rather lose to the Giants or Braves? That’s how I look at it.
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Pretty please
Don’t call it a failure if they don’t win it all.
No, playoffs are a crapshoot. Phils will still have had an awesome season whether they win it all or not.
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So, I’m right but you’re just going to be irrational and be mad if the Phillies don’t win it all?
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Disappointed is OK. Bitter implies that you’re going to blame the team for it and that isn’t OK (unless they actually mess up in some specific way).
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bitter
There are many definitions of “bitter” but in the context in which you used it, it would typically be interpreted as 2c or 2d.
Fan is short for fanatic which by definition is irrational. I lhave a good understanding of the Laws of Chance but I can’t necessarily compartmentalize my feelings into a tidy rational argument and nor do I want to (not as fun) 1] Like any fanatic I am emotionally invested, and 2] It depends on how you lose. Imagine if the Phillies lost a deciding game of a WS because the played like the Reds did tonight. Imagine being a Bruins fan. . It’s not roulette, its a sport and while there are many elements of luck involved it not a complete crapshoot like storming the beaches of Normandy – now that was a crapshoot .
What doubleh said.
The 2001 Mariners got bounced in the ALCS.
The 2006 Cardinals won it all.
That’s really all you need to know.
Disappointed, sure, but not calling WIP to say the Phillies choked.
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I’m conflicted on this. I was pissed the Phillies lost game 162, which clinched a playoff spot for Cox in his swan song season. I’ll be pissed if the Braves win a series for Cox. But I’d like to get another chance to end the Braves season, and I agree that the Braves are a better matchup for the Phillies.
I disagree. Timmeh is dirty, of course, but their offense is virtually non-existent (even compared to the Braves), and both Cain and Sanchez are hittable, although not as hittable as the Braves rotation. That being said, I still don’t think the Giants are that much better than the Braves. Plus, I don’t want the Braves to win a game. And I would rather beat the better team.
by FearTheTurtIe on Oct 9, 2010 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Eh, I think the Braves’ offense is that bad at this point. Melky/Conrad/Gonzalez as their 5/6/7 is just beyond terrible.
Plus, I’m more scared of the Giants’ rotation than the Braves’: Timmy’s the best pitcher (non-Halladay division) left in the NL playoffs, Cain’s obviously no slouch, and Sanchez/Bumgarner scare me more than Lowe/Beachy because of their southpaw-ness.
True. I guess I don’t really agree with my point, I kind of changed my mind in the middle of my post. Still, I want to see the Giants just because I want to beat the best. Plus, if the Phillies do somehow lose, I wouldn’t mind the Giants in the world series as much. Thirdly, I don’t want the Braves to win a playoff series. Not winning a game would be nice too.
by FearTheTurtIe on Oct 9, 2010 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Matt Diaz complains. What a novelty. Dude, the people in the China can see you were out.
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I didn’t follow the Phils in the Whitey era… did Harry pick this up from him? Because Harry said it all the time.
Perhaps. They both said a lot of the same things, could have been the boozin’. LOL.
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It was really more of a Whitey thing. Harry started saying it more often after Whitey’s passing, I think as a remembrance. Harry was generally not a sarcastic guy.
Guess that’s why I remember him for it. I miss him more and more with every passing McCarthy day.
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You know, its funny you say that. I caught McCarthy’s radio highlights in the car and found myself thinking to myself “He isn’t nearly as annoying when he’s on radio and not working with Wheels.” Could it be that he’s just being misused? I don’t know, these were short clips, but I’m willing to consider it at least.
Of all the Braves games I’ve watched this season – so every time they played the Phillies, a few random ESPN games, and this series – Heyward has been up in ninth what feels like every game. 10-15 more years of this guy is going to suck.
He’ll be a Yankee as soon as he’s able to be a free agent. Then we only have to really worry about him in the World Series. =p
And Ryan Zimmerman.
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by RememberthePhitans on Oct 10, 2010 10:17 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Only in so much as that you should have wanted his career to end by being taken deep by (take your pick of the Giants or Phillies) during a blown save in (pick one of the NLDS or NLCS). It is sort of like our preference for Doc (and not a Doctor) to end Chipper Jones’s career. An injury ending it is just sad- you don’t want to see anyone’s career end that way.
Yea. They really will. Damn this game is giving me flashbacks. I was a sort of big Giants fan when I lived out there for a few years. It was easy, since the Phillies sucked and there was never a conflict of interest.
I thought you were looking for a conflict of interest… I was trying to show that it was no conflict.
Yea. I loved Steve Young and Jerry Rice. Always have.
by FearTheTurtIe on Oct 9, 2010 1:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Speaking of Eagles v Niners
You guys see this ridiculous story? http://thebiglead.com/index.php/2010/10/08/some-guy-needs-san-francisco-to-beat-philly-by-four-or-more-sunday-night-to-collect-on-his-100k-15-team-parlay/
by Eaglesadvocate on Oct 9, 2010 1:10 AM EDT up reply actions
What he really should do is bet the Eagles money line, which is +155…he would need to bet $32,258 to win $50,000 if the Eagles win the game. This way he has a chance to middle and win both bets, if the Eagles win by less than 3 he wins $150,000. If the Eagles win by more than 3 he wins $50,000. If the Niners win he wins $67,752.
Note that the blog headline is wrong and the guy actually has SF +3 on his parlay card.
by BigPhillyStyle on Oct 9, 2010 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow, that was crushed.
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That game shouldve ended on that DP
Damn. Didn’t want that to happen, though it kinda felt like it was going to after Posey GIDP’d there.
I don’t know what I want out of this series. I know that the Phillies would probably have an easier time beating the Braves, and I do not relish the idea of facing Lincecum- he was nasty last night. The best thing as I could see it was for this series to drag out as long (both in terms of games and innings) as possible.
Considering that Farnsworth had already pitched an inning, I actually thought it was fully possible that the Giants would be able to put something together in the bottom of the inning.
Damn I feel like I am the only one rooting for the Giants. Of course, once I take a step back and think about it, I realize I don’t give a shit as long as the Phillies win.
by FearTheTurtIe on Oct 9, 2010 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t really mind the Braves victory tonight. Ideally we want a nice, long Braves vs. Giants series to wear the eventual victor out, assuming the Phillies make it to the NLCS.
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I thought you had the Muslim Brotherhood as your sleeper pick.
by phillyinportland on Oct 9, 2010 3:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Normally when the Phillies win I can watch highlight reels all night, but not this game – it’s burning my retinas with suck assness esp. after the mastery we witnessed Wednesday.
In fairness, though, pretty tough to compete with that one.
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I saw Tanner Boyle run out there in the later innings. Not Kelly Leak, though, he’s too good.
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Key to Chapman
Umps are going to say, if you’re gonna throw 100mph+ stuff you better have control over it. They’re not going to give him an inch. The boys all need to be more dramatic on inside pitches.
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Was anyone else surprised that Slider Bat Ibanez got around on Chapman’s fastball?
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Pretty much, and he spanked that pitch. I don’t remember how fast that particular pitch was (99-100?), but he must have been cheating a little bit to get around on it.
by WanderingMoses on Oct 9, 2010 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
He was definitely cheating. You have to cheat to get around on a fastball like that.
But yeah, WC, I had the same thought. The only (slight) knock on Chapman is that his fastball doesn’t have a ton of movement, so if you can time it and hone in on a location, you can make solid contact. Those are big “ifs” though, obviously… just ask Ryan Howard.
Does Chapman have a third pitch at present? Lots of FBs and Sliders, which is fine for a reliever, but apparently since they want to convert him to a starter, he will need something other than those two. This is especially true, as you point out, PF, that the FB has little to no movement.
by WanderingMoses on Oct 9, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Caught some Baseball Tonight banter between Nomar and Singleton and they were talking about the sloppy play on ‘both sides’, and then go on to blame how the infield was watered being a contributing factor for all the errors (aside from Bruce’s).
Um, both of Utley’s errors were, ahem, “throwing” errors. Did these clowns even watch the game? Or do they base their analysis on the 30 second video clips that play on Sportscenter?
Probably the latter. Never see much even approaching what I would call “analysis” on ESPN these days. However, after a game like that you see a lot of blame going around. It was the lights, the grass, the umps…mainly it was just the players playing bad baseball, I think. Glad for the win, though. You never want to come out of something like that with a loss.
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At least the recap on RR keeps its humor pretty well. The fact that the “Joe Nuxhall Memorial Honorary Star of the Game” was Satan made me laugh.
Yes, that was pretty funny indeed. The folks there are reacting as if they had no idea what hit them. I can’t blame them at all. I felt the same way in 2007 after Kyle Lohse gave up the granny to &$!%#$# Kaz Matsui in Game 2.
by WanderingMoses on Oct 9, 2010 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Excellent title “Ugly Beauty” indeed. but when all is said and done, it’s the final score that matters. Someone said last night that that particular graph could be used to track the Phillies fans mood during this game. I definately agree. BTW anyone catch the Daily News back page headline today..“Brotherly Glove”. LOL
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Jay Bruce is awesome
He just catches everything, and his arm is just out of this world.
I’m surprised when a ball is hit to RF and he doesn’t catch it
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by Chutley's Impressed by Mac's Speed on Oct 9, 2010 7:00 PM EDT reply actions
That fangraphs chart...
…looks like a map of the southern border of Ohio, from Cincinnati in the west (1st inning) to the PA border in the east (9th inning).
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