Bullpen? We Don't Need No Stinkin' Bullpen!
by David S. Cohen on Dec 14, 2010 2:11 PM EST
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PrintThere are so many remarkable things to comment about with respect to the Phillies new rotation, and we are certainly going to bring you the best coverage of it possible in the coming days, months, and years. But one thing stands out to me while I'm still processing this stunning turn of events: durability.
The four aces the Phillies will send to the mound 4 out of every 5 games have been incredibly dependable over the past three years. Of course, past performance is no guarantee of future results, but short of a guarantee, is there anything sweeter than this chart in terms of assessing the four's potential to pitch throughout the season?
| G | IP | |
| 2008 | 32 | 226 |
| 2009 | 32 | 211 |
| 2010 | 32 | 221 |
These are the average games started and innings pitched for the four for each of the last three seasons. The only pitcher-season with less than 30 starts was Cliff Lee's 2010, when he began the season on the disabled list and didn't make his first start until the end of April. Nonetheless, he still threw 212.3 innings. All of the other 11 pitcher-seasons featured at least 30 starts.
The only pitcher-seasons with less than 200 innings were Cole Hamels' 2009 (193.7 innings over 32 starts) and Roy Oswalt's 2009 (181.3 innings over 30 starts). Each of the other 10 pitcher-seasons featured at least 208.7 innings pitched, with Roy Halladay besting the group with his 2010, when he threw 250.7 innings.
If you want durability, you have it with these four.
And if you want games featuring very little bullpen usage, you'll have that as well.
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This rotation still hasn’t sunk in with me. How on earth did Philly end up with 2 of the top 5 pitchers and 4 of the top 20?
This should be a credit to the best phuckin phnas a sports team could ever ask for. I want to say thank you to all of you who buy your Phillies gear, go to the games. drink the beer, and most of all watch the games any chance you get. And to the ownership I tip my hat for making this a place where players want to play.
As far as right field and a right handed bat I think Brown will more than pan out. As good as Werth was last year his numbers with RISP was nothing to write home about and with Raul comming off the books next year I still see Hamels in red pinstripes beyond his contract end.
still in amazement.
i’ve been joking that the phils are the ‘yanks of the nl’ since the WFC. now it looks more and more like that is the case. this is still incomprehensible.
especially considering that he more years/money in at least 2 other cities. i’ve heard about the wife-spitting thing and if that’s the case why he ended up here, then hellz to the yizaaaaah! talk about vindication regarding ‘classy’ philly phans. we’ll throw batteries, snowballs at santa, taze our fans, puke on undercovers, but only in NY(y) do they spit on and throw beer at PLAYER’S WIVES. somewhere milton bradley is having a stroke (wife beater, he threw a chair at his own fans – padres fans).
Less quality opponents in the regular season, too. Far less. I imagine you remember, with some glee, the repeated playoff failings of Atlanta’s bullpen back when they had that historic staff.
Not that the phils have bad bullpen, but you can’t write of the need for a better one—especially in the playoffs—considering how your season ended last year.
Still, helluva pickup.
the bullpen wasn’t the problem in the NLCS either, it was the lack of runs; Durbin’s bad inning aside, the relievers all pitched very well
They did. But—as you know, Lidge is hardly a given. Madson is very good, but is somewhat on/off. Contreras pitched well, but there are likely some real questions there. And there isn’t much after that (have you all made any other moves pen wise)
And remember, the major reason their was a lack of runs is still very much there: sf’s pitching: starters and bullpen.
Matchups are extremely important in the playoffs, and both Atlanta and SF figure to be in the playoffs again. And late in a tight game, you take their bullpens (esp. with left handed weapons). Now, atl’s starters are very good, but Phi has better depth and quality. SF is a near match in starters, though.
I think you're drastically overrating SF's bullpen
not sure San Francisco’s bullpen is any more of a sure thing. Wilson and Romo are a very good 8th/9th inning combination, no doubt. but Casilla, Mota, and Affeldt—the three relievers who saw the most play after those two—is not an ace relief corps. (Mota is a FA I believe; not sure who, if anyone, is replacing him.) Javier Lopez also pitched waaaaaay over his head at the end of the season and the playoffs.
now I’d still take Wilson/Romo over Lidge/Madson, and I’m not trying to dump on the Giants here. but it’s not like they have six Mariano Riveras waiting in the bullpen; they have two excellent relievers and a bunch of guys who got hot at the right time.
by perfectdepth on Dec 14, 2010 5:08 PM EST up reply actions
Anyway, it isn’t necessary to have a great bullpen in order to win a World Series. What’s important is (1) having the best team overall, and (2) luck. Having a good bullpen is helpful in that it impacts (1), but a team with an “A-” rotation and an “A” bullpen is worse off than a team with an “A+” rotation and a
“B+” bullpen. Overall quality is morei mportant than balance.
as far as the Braves
Wagner is going to be 39 and Saito 41—there’s a lot of possibility for collapse there. saying Farnsworth is inconsistent would be an understatement. Kimbrel could break out, but his crazy walk rate makes me doubt he’ll ever be all that reliable. Venters, O’Flaherty, Moylan—all good relievers, definitely, but no aces. there’s certainly something to be said for depth, and the Braves have a ton of it, but a deep bullpen is not real valuable in the playoffs.
don’t take my word for it, look at the ZiPS projections for the Atlanta bullpen. beside Wagner and Saito, neither of whom is projected to hit 50 innings, there’s nothing really intimidating there.
by perfectdepth on Dec 14, 2010 5:15 PM EST up reply actions
He’s said he’s going to retire, but hasn’t yet filed the paperwork and remains on the 40-man roster (I still project retired players for another year, anyway).
by D.Szymborski on Dec 14, 2010 6:53 PM EST up reply actions
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?playerId=5102 In 50 games last year, Lidge converted 27 save opportunities, only blowing 5.
Stop generalizing based off the 2009 season, thank you.
by LeQuan Glover on Dec 14, 2010 9:53 PM EST up reply actions
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?playerId=5382
And Madson? Struck out 64 with an ERA of 2.55. If you combine the “Wins” and “Saves”, he’s responsible for 11 victories. Our top of the bullpen was quite strong last year, thank you very much.
The MIDDLE of the bullpen is still an area of concern, we thought Baez was going to step up there but it was his rookie yr or something like that last year right? We could always move Worley to the middle and see if he can give us a boost there as well.
by LeQuan Glover on Dec 14, 2010 9:56 PM EST up reply actions
from amazin ave:
the Phillies have spared Met fans the pain of having their hopes crushed at some point in the season and have issued the death blow with plenty of time for us to prepare.
this day just keeps getting better.
STOP JINXING IT
But yes, I had the thought that a side benefit would be improving the position player depth by carrying two fewer relievers on the active squad.
Also, here are some more numbers:
In 2010, the four starters ranked 1, 6, 11, and 12 in the majors in xFIP.
In the three-year span from 2008-2010, they ranked 1, 8, 13, and 14 in xFIP.
In 2010, they ranked 1, 2, 11, and 13 in K/BB.
In the three-year span from 2008-2010, they ranked 1, 2, 7, and 11 in K/BB.
In 2010, they ranked 1, 2, 3, and 23 in WHIP.
In the three-year span from 2008-2010, they ranked 1, 2, 5, and 12 in WHIP.
Those are all rate statistics…but as you point out, these are all also durable pitchers — over the three year span, they are 1, 5, 14, and 23 in innings. Crazy.
It would take some fancy in-season Iron Piggery and Giant-like waiver-wirin’, but this is a possibility. Just keep in mind the difficulty of finding quality guys who would sign on for gigs like that. I believe whatever backup plans fill in from this point until ST will look fairly meh. So, back we go to talking about Michael Martinez!
Playoff contention is alluring for guys who would have the limelight, but I’d really be challenged if I were a 29-year-old role/bench/AAAA type to consider wasting a year of my own peak performance trying to scuffle for ABs or appearances on the mound for a team like the 2011 Phillies vs. trying to be an everyday Royal/Mariner/Marlin/Nat/Pirate/Oriole.
by Wet Luzinski on Dec 14, 2010 5:45 PM EST up reply actions
Yah, I wasn’t thinking it’d help the quality of the bench any, just the quantity.
There were certainly times last year when we could’ve used an extra replacement level position player on the bench. A little more flexibility for some infield moves would’ve been nice at times. And I would hope we won’t see any pitchers in the outfield this year.
Joe Sheehan said this exact same thing in his newsletter from this morning, and I completely agree with you and him.
Not to get into all of this now, but the real key for the 2011 Phillies — as I see it, at least — will be keeping their aging lineup healthy and productive. The best way to do that requires Charlie Manuel changing his managerial strategy to an extent: he’ll need to give Utley, Rollins, Victorino, Polanco et al. more days off. And as WL hinted at above, more at bats on offer means we’d be able to attract a higher quality of bench player.
What's the over/under
A. On complete games from the 5 starters this season?
B. On Cliff Lee RBI’s?
C. On Strikeouts between just Halladay & Lee?
I’d say: A=17, B=4, C=225
Over the past 3 years, where do Doc and Lee rank in complete games? I would think they are 1 and 2, seem to go the distance a lot.
Samesis
Yup
Halladay 1st with 27, Lee 2nd with 17, Sabathia at 14, FHernandez and Greinke at 10. Oswalt has 8 (T7), and Hamels has 5 (T21), so over the three-year stretch, the four guys averaged 19 per year combined.
On a related note, Halladay is #1 in shutouts, Lee #3, and Oswalt and Hamels T4.
My mind is still boggled
at how quickly Philadelphia has gone from a place that Scott Rolen and Curt Schilling can’t wait to leave and that JD Drew refuses to go, to being a place where a premier free agent will take less money because he likes the environment here. Insanity!
Solid Rotation
Congrats!
(Just better hope BaseballTonight doesn’t jinx it. )
Good health to you!
"This s.o.b. is throwing a two-hit shutout. He's shaking me off. You believe that s***? Charlie, here comes the deuce. And when you speak of me, speak well." - Crash Davis
Durability is a key for any team with a core of thirtysomethings. That said, this post is exhibit A for this year’s version of the Curse of the Wet Luzinski.
QUESTION!
The Phillies have good starting pitching prospects in the minors. Anyone foresee trades for an outfield bat maybe sometime right before the trade deadline? Any bat brought in could be extended if they had an expiring, especially with a good amount of money coming off the books.
The Jruth shall be told.
There’s nothing out there that’s worth the cost. We might net someone in a Blanton trade. Someone the other day mentioned Cameron on the Red Sox.. Don’t know the particulars of his contract but that might be a possiblity.
that was me
Cameron is making $7.25M this year, the last year of his deal. it wouldn’t save much money obviously, but it would fill a pretty big need by giving us a RH outfielder who plays center and can hit pretty well. (that’s all assuming he’s healed, of course.)
by perfectdepth on Dec 15, 2010 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
Tempting. And if he can play center he can play anywhere in the OF. As to his injury, he had surgery relatively early in the season so he should have had more than ample recovery time. Even without trading Blanton would 7.25 mill. really be the straw that breaks the camels back? At this point (cause I’m still in shock) the only thing I can say for certain is that Rube is quite the wild card. Dude’s just shootin’ from the hip. I’m not complaining per se but I don’t know what’s what either.
According to fangraphs, he was worth $18.8 in 2008, and $19.9 in 2009 (for 4.2 and 4.4 WAR, respectively) at age 35 and 36. Two years later at age 38, and post injury, who knows. Bill James projects a .239/.327/.425 line.
Love the idea, and the Phillies are apparently interested, but I don’t see it happening, unfortunately. I’d think that if they’re going to deal Blanton, it would be to clear as much of his contract as possible. Plus the Red Sox have no real need for Blanton anyway.
The posters OTOH brought the douchbagginess to new heights.
Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est.
Yea like Andy S saying the Phils were one of the healthiest teams last year… Did this guy miss last year on a bender or what? Next to Boston we had some of the worst luck with health. I’d quantify it but whatever.
by Sept.28.Oct.27.Dec.28.2008 on Dec 14, 2010 10:42 PM EST up reply actions
All of AndyS’s replies were unbelievable. His posts were some serious sour grapes. Of course, Lee doesn’t make us automatic WS winners, but to pretend like it doesn’t make the team much better is ignorant of the facts. He refers to the loss of Howard and Madson last year as no big deal because they aren’t really difference makers. Oooh-kay.
Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est.
The feedback on Fangraphs over the Howard contract really seems to have created a weird groupthink about the guy. I mean, yeah, terrible contract, sure, but he’s not worthless yet, and it’s just faux-intellectual pandering to pretend that he’s purely an anchor or a zero sum gain for the team at this point in his career.
New York Times Article
Basically, saying what we already know; We may have just become “The Miami Heat of Baseball”
"We definitley can't lose anymore games."
-Charlie Manuel
Whoops!
Here it is
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/15/sports/baseball/15vecsey.html?_r=1&hp
"We definitley can't lose anymore games."
-Charlie Manuel
We might not need a friggin bullpen but our bullpen could be better than last years bullpen
LOOGY- Dennys Reyes
ROOGY- Scott Mathieson (its time he got a look he throws staight heat, I mean the worst he can be is a bad man’s kyle farnsworth right)
Long relief- Kyle Kendrick (This is on the assumption Worley wins the 5th spot in the rotation, I think Kenrick needs to find a niche and starter is not it like Durbin he could become a reliable Long Reliever who can make spot starts maybe even get a increase in velocity in the pen)
7th inning Lefty- Antonio Bastardo – He has the tools to become a JC Romero circa 07-08 he just needs to put it together and become more consistent..
7th inning Righty – Jose Contreras
Set-up- Ryan Madson
Closer- Brad Lidge
Bad choice of example for long reliever. “Reliable” and “Durbin” can’t be uttered in the same sentence. That being said, KK could be considered for that role but I just don’t see it…you might get some increase in velocity, but not sure if that’ll help. Just look at his contact percentage…womp…
"We definitley can't lose anymore games."
-Charlie Manuel
ok fine durbin was never reliable
true kendricks contact % is high but who gives a eff fill the bullpen with in house guys… you probably won’t even need to use him with those starters…and his contact % is better than blantons, baez’s and herndons…anyways better bull pen than last season…and who needs the bullpen
Impressive rotation Phils fans
just thought I’d come over here and gauge the level of optimism for the coming year
Don’t mean to burst any bubbles, or seem trollish or anything, but what are the Phillies plans for the offense?
Especially now that the Phillies are Werth-less…(that one doesn’t get old lol)
"Baseball is the only major sport that appears backward in a mirror" ~George Carlin
by thewild_viking_twins on Dec 14, 2010 7:36 PM EST reply actions
plans for offense
Hope Utley and Howard stay healthy, Brown holds his own, and that otherwise there’s some regression to the mean (except for Chooch, no want no regression from him)
http://www.thegoodphight.com
Keeping it classy...even in the offseason
TC on The Good Phight (ten minutes ago)
Let’s be honest here…their blog is a joke.
They have no player reviews, basically no prospect coverage, are lucky to get a front page story every two or three days, and 90% of their posters would rather be morons to other fans instead of participating in a good debate.
Just stick to TC. There’s a reason we’re the biggest SBN baseball blog.
“That guy mvhsbball is really an insufferable schmuck.” – FuquaManuel
by mvhsbball on Dec 14, 2010 8:06 PM EST up reply actions
The insufferable schmuck strikes again. They should re-name their site “Whine and Cheese”
Incidentally, this comment string started over there because one of their trolls was offended that you didn’t think 3 of their starters are better than ours :)
by Boundforbeach on Dec 14, 2010 8:36 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, well, you know how mvhsbball is the absolute, unquestioned authority on what constitutes a good baseball blog. KNEEL BEFORE TALKING CHOP
by ThinMountainAir on Dec 14, 2010 8:34 PM EST up reply actions
Apparently having 50 people post “Eff!” after every play that goes the opposition’s way is the measure of a quality SBN baseball blog.
"Ninety percent of this game is half mental" - Yogi Berra (SI, May 14, 1979)
by bandwagonesque on Dec 14, 2010 8:38 PM EST up reply actions
I guess we need to post more stuff like:
MOAR RUNZ RUNZ RUNZ
+17895549784889238403
And of course: “I hope Martin Prado gets syphilis.”
Did I miss anything?
by ThinMountainAir on Dec 14, 2010 8:40 PM EST up reply actions
Bobby Cox’s is God’s gift to managing. Kneel down and bow down to the best manager there is, the best manager there was, and the best manager there ever will be.
Formerly known as JFein.
Author at SB Nation's Philadelphia Union blog, The Brotherly Game. Follow me on Twitter
With passengers
"Ninety percent of this game is half mental" - Yogi Berra (SI, May 14, 1979)
by bandwagonesque on Dec 15, 2010 12:29 AM EST up reply actions
Kee-rist. I’d rather a front page story every two or three days that was actually worth a damn than some lukewarm over-valuation of prospects. There’s not analysis better than TGP this side of PhuturePhilles, and PF makes it a bit of a push.
Oh, and we have a sense of humor here, which is way more endearing than some fake sense of baseball honor.
Some of them have a really overinflated sense of self on that site. At least we know how to enjoy the game.
90% of our posters would rather be morons, eh? Well, we beat them by 10%.
Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est.
We’ve had exactly one good commenter visit us from there, ever. I believe her name was Lizz. Based on that sample, I’d estimate that they are about 97% moron.
can we get a confidence interval on that estimate?
by perfectdepth on Dec 14, 2010 9:06 PM EST up reply actions
haha
i’m taking stat now, final in 1 week (yes the 22nd… i know)
I've been waiting my whole life for an Eagles Championship
RIP JJ
by sports00fan00 on Dec 15, 2010 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
That sounds right. When “Welp, just wanted to give you a Braves-centric opinion!” is considered a complete defense of an opinion as well as a full argument, you’re not dealing with a really tremendously gifted group.
They also struggle with sarcasm and someone being direct with them, which doesn’t allow for them to fully enjoy the TGP or Giants blog experience. If you come here, you better wear a cup.
Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est.
I’ll just let that opportunity go by…
I am not a witch.
by RememberthePhitans on Dec 14, 2010 11:14 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
As a TGP founder, I’m deeply hurt that mvhsbball doesn’t like us. Might as well quit.
by David S. Cohen on Dec 14, 2010 10:14 PM EST up reply actions
You wouldn’t!
http://www.thegoodphight.com
by WholeCamels on Dec 14, 2010 10:23 PM EST up reply actions
But, but, the TC people don’t like us. I don’t see any other option.
by David S. Cohen on Dec 14, 2010 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
We will prevail against those classy devils!
http://www.thegoodphight.com
by WholeCamels on Dec 14, 2010 10:35 PM EST up reply actions
Since we’re red over here, I think the term you are reaching for is, “We will bury you!”
Where is JnTC when I need a figurative “Amen!”?
I am not a witch.
by RememberthePhitans on Dec 14, 2010 11:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
"Ninety percent of this game is half mental" - Yogi Berra (SI, May 14, 1979)
by bandwagonesque on Dec 15, 2010 12:23 AM EST up reply actions
Repost from other thread
I view that as a great honor, frankly. Why? Because that quote comes from one of our threads over here, which means that he cares enough about what I have to say to come all the way over to our "terrible blog" and read carefully through our comment thread.
His "Talking Chop is the best because we have the most traffic and most stories" line is funny in that it shows a complete ignorance of how the Phillies blogosphere compares to the Braves blogosphere.
Pessimism of the intellect, optimism of the will.
by FuquaManuel on Dec 14, 2010 10:38 PM EST up reply actions
And by “that quote,” I am referring to the quote in his signature.
Pessimism of the intellect, optimism of the will.
by FuquaManuel on Dec 14, 2010 10:39 PM EST up reply actions
doh, I thought mhvshitballs was calling FM the insufferable schmuck which I’d take as a badge of honor. God. I remember when I started coming here getting into with him over Tommy Hanson and JA Happ and I was actually saying that Hanson was easily the better pitcher but would still regress some. If that didn’t start a shitstorm. Guys like that are why I rarely venture to other blogs esp. to the team I hate.
I have no problem venturing over to other team’s blogs to learn more about the opposition, but I stray away from TC for the most part anymore.
Formerly known as JFein.
Author at SB Nation's Philadelphia Union blog, The Brotherly Game. Follow me on Twitter
Capitol Avenue Club seems to be a Braves blog that attracts a more CLASSY crowd, from the little bit I’ve seen of it.
Those guys are so awesome
They spew great knowledge
Some of the knowledge they bring forth
The Phillies don’t care about Long term
They just want to spend spend spend so they can win. Does anyone hear the Philidelphia Yankees?
GREAT
THE LAST THING WE NEED IS FOR THE SECOND BIGGEST CHEATERS TO CHEAT US OUT OF ANOTHER DIVISION!!!!!!!! }:(
they have zero, repeat, zero, prospect poems, the artless clods. I believe we lead all of SBN bloggery in baseball verse.
by Wet Luzinski on Dec 15, 2010 6:01 PM EST up reply actions
Damn right. We crush. But in fairness those prospect poems set the bar awfully high. We might have to give them a limerick handicap or two if they want to enter the Right Brain Thunderdome with us.
There once was a manager named Cox
ought to end well.
by Wet Luzinski on Dec 15, 2010 6:26 PM EST up reply actions
fair enough. If the Right Brain Thunderdome has a tag-team feature, we would absolutely dominate.
by Wet Luzinski on Dec 15, 2010 6:28 PM EST up reply actions
They would mercilessly complain that the rhyme zone favored our assonance-prone authors.
"Ninety percent of this game is half mental" - Yogi Berra (SI, May 14, 1979)
by bandwagonesque on Dec 15, 2010 6:39 PM EST up reply actions
oh I can come up with something but RTP’s hatred of Cox is unabridged, and utterly unsympathetic. He had this rant in one of the Atlanta Game threads that I think earned him rights to first swings in a stituation like this. I mean he got unicorns into it….
I certainly would never stoop to writing a limerick. But if I did, I might write something like:
A southern redneck named Bobby
Could not get her tongue on his knobby.
So that fuddy duddy
Beat her face bloody
Beacause whipping on wives was his hobby.
I mean, just as an example of something I might write, but I certainly won’t stoop to that level. I have class. And unicorns.
I am not a witch.
by RememberthePhitans on Dec 15, 2010 7:38 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 3 recs
Now that I’ve thrown a stick at the hornet’s nest: It’s not so much Bobby Cox who irritates me so much as the foolish, mouth-breathing lobotomites who idolize him brainlessly. And if Braves fans weren’t so easily provoked, I would derive much less of my guilty pleasure from taunting them by picking on Bobby Cox.
What is there to dislike about Cox from my perspective? He had, according to Braves fans, a decade of the greatest pitchers since Cy Young and Mordecai Brown plus the best third baseman since ever, and he had roughly the same playoff success rate as Bud Grant. He was an unlovable guy who rode good players to lots of wins, but who overmanaged and blew it in the playoffs.
In some respects, Bobby Cox tortured Braves fans more than the Phillies ever could have. Thank you, Bobby. You do deserve to go to the HoF. Wearing a Phillies jersey, too.
Thanks for the memories!
I am not a witch.
by RememberthePhitans on Dec 15, 2010 8:31 PM EST up reply actions
There once was a cracker named Cox.
’Pon the umpires he was a pox.
He argued each call
Be it foul, strike, or ball
Giving Braves fans a tiresome vox.
"Ninety percent of this game is half mental" - Yogi Berra (SI, May 14, 1979)
by bandwagonesque on Dec 15, 2010 8:14 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Along came a player named Chipper
Who swung with his big little dipper
They thought he’d go far
But instead of a star
’Twas a princess left holding his slipper.
by Wet Luzinski on Dec 15, 2010 10:55 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
You expect Braves fans to be classy?
This is the same fan base that sent death threats to our first basemen after the ‘91 World Series
I’ve always had a bit of resentment for them…
"Baseball is the only major sport that appears backward in a mirror" ~George Carlin
by thewild_viking_twins on Dec 15, 2010 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
My issue with them is that their way of “congratulating” us is to come on here and make passive-agressive opinion-based statements about their rotation still being superior—sort of the “na, nanny, boo-boo,” stick-out-your-tongue debate style. We northerners appreciate a more direct approach, rather than this backhanded BS.
Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est.
Looks like a great pitching group!
On paper.
Good luck, Phillies fans. This could be a special 2011! I’ll stay tuned.
"Relax, have a homebrew."
now...
this is great news but who’s going to play RF… CF… LF… are they planning on scoring any runs????
by Elmo the faithful fan on Dec 14, 2010 10:50 PM EST reply actions
They still have some guys who can hit, ya know.
Pessimism of the intellect, optimism of the will.
by FuquaManuel on Dec 14, 2010 10:51 PM EST up reply actions
outfield
Ibanez in LF, Victorino in CF, probably Brown in RF, with the corners spelled by Francisco and/or a new player acquisition.
/Larry Literal’d
http://www.thegoodphight.com
by WholeCamels on Dec 14, 2010 10:52 PM EST up reply actions
bill james projections
Ibanez: 596 PA, .270/.343/.446, .346 wOBA, 117 wRC+, 20 HR
Victorino: 664 PA, .279/.343/.431, .342 wOBA, 114 wRC+, 16 HR, 30 SB
Brown: 596 PA, .288/.346/.505, .372 wOBA, 134 wRC+, 26 HR, 28 SB
Francisco: 330 PA, .271/.336/.446, .342 wOBA, 114 wRC+, 10 HR
BJ is loving some DB. If DB only does 80% of that, I’ll be thrilled.
I am not a witch.
by RememberthePhitans on Dec 14, 2010 11:04 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
And to be clear, yes, they are planning on scoring runs.
by David S. Cohen on Dec 14, 2010 10:57 PM EST up reply actions
Haiku
Werth goes for the dough
Lee goes for the street pretzel
“You knoooww what I like”
I felt like I thought it hit me - Chase Utley
Seriously...
CLIFF LEE!!!
It’s going to take a while for that to get old. Probably 3.5 years or so, I’m guessing.
I am not a witch.
by RememberthePhitans on Dec 14, 2010 11:02 PM EST via mobile reply actions
CLIFF LEE
I always get home too late :-( to make serious comment. I made today an official Borg Cliffmas Halladay. Glad Cliffie is back. Still LOVE “Doc” for all he did this year, and just being “Doc”. The collective will think more tomorrow.
"We are the Borg. Resistance is futile."
Nope, need to fix it
Lee says to Hamels
“Saturdays are for Oswalt”
“On Sunday Doc rests”
There we go.
by BenKenobi on Dec 15, 2010 2:49 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Haiku is so much more elegant than Limericks. Take the Bobby Cox thing, for instance. Instead of just having it hit you in the face, so to speak, as with the Limerick, supra, the haiku lets me be much more flexible and subtle, as illustrated below:
The sound of a smack
An old woman’s soft sobbing
Bitches gotta learn
I am not a witch.
by RememberthePhitans on Dec 15, 2010 8:20 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Another playoff
October in Atlanta
yearns to be sold. Out.
by Wet Luzinski on Dec 15, 2010 11:06 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I know I’ve seen his year-by-year contract $, buyout, vesting option, etc., but I can’t find it — anyone know the details?
also, my fortysomething ass will be grateful for the many 2011 games that will be over in a crisp 2 1/2- 3 hrs. Yay for quick workers who don’t walk dudes.
Self portrait?
:P
I am not a witch.
by RememberthePhitans on Dec 15, 2010 7:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
A Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man
Honor is no substitute for victory.
by The Dark on Dec 18, 2010 5:24 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Wasted in a nearly dead thread, but rec worthy.
I am not a witch.
by RememberthePhitans on Dec 18, 2010 6:31 PM EST up reply actions
Wait, James Joyce reference?
Schadenfreude is a dish best served cold. Sorry, the Yankees, but you lose.
by LeepinLizardz on Dec 21, 2010 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
Once I posted I thought, ah, better beat all youse to the punch.
by Wet Luzinski on Dec 15, 2010 10:59 PM EST up reply actions
all we need
is some freakin’ hitters… shane… raul, etc… aren’t gittin er done and if howard can’t get his swing back it’ll be a loing year for these great pitchers!!!
by Elmo the faithful fan on Dec 20, 2010 2:25 PM EST reply actions
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