Do We Need a Stinkin' Bullpen?
Lately I've been seeing a fair number of people take the position that the Phillies' acquisition of Cliff Lee won't really do much for them in 2011 because their bullpen is still weak. As David S. Cohen pointed out yesterday, the Big 4 are historically durable and have tended to go deep into games, so it's unclear how many innings the Phillies' relievers will even need to pitch, either in the regular season or the postseason. But even if the workload issue were set aside, would a strong bullpen really be that crucial anyway?
To be clear, I'm not suggesting that the strength of a team's bullpen isn't important - of course it is. Logically, scoring runs is 50% of baseball, while preventing runs is 50%. Pitching comprises the majority of the latter 50%. Relief pitchers account for about one third of a typical team's total IPs. So you'd expect the bullpen to make up about 10-15% of any team's formula for winning. Having an edge in that 10-15% share can make a real difference.
But some commentators go a lot farther than that. As I understand them, they seem to think that having a top-notch bullpen doesn't just give you an edge, but is also a necessary condition for winning a World Series. In other words, they think that if you have the disadvantage of a mediocre bullpen, then it's impossible to compensate for that by having even greater advantages in other areas of your team (like, say, the rotation).
That seems wrongheaded. The following is highly unscientific on a number of different levels, but here are the League ERA rankings of the bullpens of every team that has made it to the World Series since 2000.
| Year | NL (Rank out of 16) | AL (Rank out of 14) |
| 2010 | Giants (2) | Rangers (2) |
| 2009 | Phillies (9) | Yankees (5) |
| 2008 | Phillies (1) | Rays (3) |
| 2007 | Rockies (6) | Red Sox (1) |
| 2006 | Cardinals (7) | Tigers (2) |
| 2005 | Astros (4) | White Sox (2) |
| 2004 | Cardinals (1) | Red Sox (4) |
| 2003 | Marlins (10) | Yankees (6) |
| 2002 | Giants (2) | Angels (1) |
| 2001 | D-Backs (5) | Yankees (3) |
| 2000 | Mets (7) | Yankees (10) |
| Avg. | 4.9 | 3.5 |
Winners are in bold. Average league rank for winners' pens was 4.4. For losers' pens it was 4.1.
Again, I know this is unscientific, but just from eyeballing these numbers, it sure doesn't look to me like a mediocre bullpen is that big of a drag on your team's chances. I'm willing to accept that a bullpen might be disproportionately important - that it might comprise more than 10-15% of your team's formula for winning, or that it might be more than 50% as important as your rotation. But it's still a sliding scale. The better your rotation (or lineup or defense) is, the worse the bullpen you can get away with.
And the Phillies' rotation in 2011 is likely to be awesome. If it in fact pans out, then that awesomeness would be offset somewhat if the bullpen were to turn out to be mediocre or bad. But it isn't necessarily the case that the Phillies can't win with a subpar bullpen. If the rotation reaches a certain level of awesomeness, then it won't matter if the bullpen is mediocre.
Of course, all that just raises the question of whether the premise is even right to begin with. Do we really know that the Phillies' bullpen will be mediocre or bad? More on that after the jump.
A lot has been written about how teams shouldn't spend their offseasons targeting middle relievers, because the performance of middle relievers is so volatile. There are a handful of ace relievers out there who are dependably great every season. But aside from them, there's just no way to tell who's going to be good from one year to the next. All the teams are just out there throwing dice.
If you believe all of that, and I think most of us do, then the necessary corollary is that there's not much of a basis for downgrading the Phillies' chances based on their supposed bullpen weaknesses (nor is there much cause for celebrating the bullpens who happened to do well last year). For instance, from 2007-2009, the Giants' top relievers posted the following xFIPs: Wilson 3.46, Romo 3.78, Casilla 4.57, Ramirez 4.46, Affeldt 3.79, Lopez 4.64. With the exception of Affeldt, they all pitched great for the Giants in 2010. I don't think it would be fair to call that a fluke, but I do think they're equally as likely to fall back to the pack in 2011 as they are to maintain the results they achieved in 2010.
The 2011 Phillies' relievers posted the following xFIPs over the past three seasons: Lidge 3.89, Madson 3.29, Contreras (2010 only) 3.43, Reyes 4.11, Herndon 4.31, Bastardo 4.59. How will they do in 2011? Got me. But they don't look any worse coming into this year than the Giants' bullpen did coming into last year. And there's no point in worrying about it, because the team has no control over it, and nothing they do short of trading for, say, Matt Thornton is going to change that. So just sit back and let it ride.
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Of course, a lot of the professional analysts are conveniently ignorant about Scott Mathieson and potential Spring Training surprise Justin Defratus.
Baseball: the only sport whose commissioner wants you to think it is still 1960.
by phillies fan in bowie on Dec 15, 2010 6:13 PM EST reply actions
Dont hold your breath on Mathieson. De Fratus on the other hand, could and hopefully will be with the team at some point.
by philiafan14364 on Dec 15, 2010 10:31 PM EST up reply actions
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What’s the matter sweetie?
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by WholeCamels on Dec 15, 2010 8:23 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
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poor Yankees fan
I've been waiting my whole life for an Eagles Championship
RIP JJ
by sports00fan00 on Dec 15, 2010 8:24 PM EST up reply actions
for the love of christ
Put your goddamned shoes on, it smells like 300 raccoons pissed in here
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I think thats the Yankees “Prestige” and “Mystique” you’re smelling.
Let the beasting begin.
by TransplantedFan on Dec 16, 2010 9:55 AM EST up reply actions
I was thinking can’t live with ‘em, can’t shoot ’em
by dannijd on Dec 16, 2010 9:44 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Rough estimate — the fourth starter for the Phillies is going to pitch about 210 innings this year. A normal (combined over the year) fourth starter will pitch maybe 160 or 170 innings? So that’s 40 or 50 fewer bullpen innings needed, for a team that already lead the league with the fewest bullpen innings last year.
So yeah, we don’t want our bullpen guys coming in and giving up a ton of runs. But, even if they’re not that great, they’re just not going to be pitching that much this year. And that’s just a really good thing.
One thing I think people aren’t mentioning, it’s not our top of our bullpen that’s our weak link. Madson’s a pretty good setup man and Lidge has recovered to be an effective closer. But it was the Scott Eyre’s, the Baez’s and the Durbin’s of the world that would get us into trouble.
With the Fab 4, we virtually bypass that 7th inning. Sure, there will be occassions of bad play but mostly these guys are 8-inning guys. In order words, we go immediately from our starters, to the top of our bullpen.
That’s pretty significant.
Adding Lee is so much greater of an addition then simply adding a mediocre arm in the bullpen.
by LeQuan Glover on Dec 15, 2010 8:21 PM EST up reply actions
Right, yeah, so there are two things going on here, and two different ways this rotation helps us. One, they go deep into games so it reduces the number of innings the bullpen pitches. Two, they prevent the other team from scoring runs, so that even if the bullpen’s innings weren’t reduced, it would still blow fewer leads because the leads will be bigger and there will be more of them. So even if the bullpen is bad, that won’t necessarily be an achilles heel for the team, even if its workload isn’t cut.
And all of this simply assumes that the bullpen won’t be good, when that assumption might very well be unwarranted.
Split exactly five ways, each starter takes 32 games. 2010 is a little difficult to parse because of Kendrick, who started 31(!) games, even though his role changed (first he was there to spot Blanton, then he was there to spot Moyer, then he was just…there). As it stood, Blanton took the ball 28 times despite his early-season oblique injury and still managed to pitch 175 innings, just 4.2 away from Kendrick’s total. Only 6 games (3-Happ, 2-Worley, 1-Figueroa) went to guys who weren’t sort of intended to be starters. All told, that’s real good, despite significant time missed by one starter (Blanton) and a season-ender to Moyer.
All told, the 2010 Phillies starters accounted for ~70 percent of all innings pitched, which means on average they pitched 6.1 innings every game. A heavy weight here goes to Halladay’s amazing season of 250.2 IP. If you figure that the five 2011 starters will get to around the same total of about 1000 innings, then yeah, they still need an average of eight outs from the bullpen.
Beyond straight averages, however, the dynamic of Halladay-Lee-Hamels-Oswalt means that on any given week the Phillies may only need 3-5 outs on average. It should make for a pretty rested ’pen come Blanton/Kendrick/Worley day.
What Manuel will have to guard against is foolish exposure, like when Zach Duke hurls his annual improbable gem against the Vaunted Offense and Halladay comes in to pitch the 7th. Or the 8th. Then the 9th.
by Wet Luzinski on Dec 15, 2010 11:48 PM EST up reply actions
I think you went into this exercise looking to prove that a mediocre bullpen is adequate, because when I see the ranks of those bullpens, I see something completely different than you did.
For the past 11 years, both leagues, here’s the numeric breakdown of the teams in the WS (22 opportunities).
Bullpen rank in respective league/appearances:
- 1 / 4
- 2 / 5
- 3 / 2
- 4 / 2
- 5 / 2
- 6 / 2
- 7 / 2
- 8 / 0
- 9 / 1
- 10 / 2
#11-#16 = 0
That data suggests to me that you can win with an adequate bullpen as you’ve conceded, but what it also tells me is that:
an ace bullpen really does give you a sizeable advantage, and worse….
a bad bullpen makes it downright impossible to win a championship.
What I think is a more important thought to take from the current rotation is that it’ll hopefully limit the opportunities given to the Baezes and Zagurskis of the bullpen and a higher percentage of appearances will be the more competent relievers which will skew the bullpen to seeming better than it is.
If the Phils have to trot out Sucky McJourneymen every other day, it’ll be a result of the rotation underperforming, at which point a bad bullpen will truly be a detriment.
Someone had fun on wikipedia
check out the 2011 World Series page
one of my friends posted it on FB, wish i had come up with this, but then again i find it a little cocky
I've been waiting my whole life for an Eagles Championship
RIP JJ
Mods already corrected it
could you post a pic from your friends FB?
by Chutley's Impressed by Mac's Speed on Dec 16, 2010 6:15 AM EST up reply actions
Considering that there are 16 teams in the NL and 14 teams in the AL, using your figures then the average bullpen as ranked by ERA in the 75th to 80th percentile. Hardly ‘mediocre bullpens’ on average.
I didn’t say that they were mediocre bullpens “on average”. I said that a better-than-mediocre bullpen is not a necessary condition for making it to and succeeding in the postseason, which is supported by the fact that the average is low enough as to encompass a range between bullpens that are great and bullpens that are not particularly good.
Lidge
Is still the giant question mark because you figure he will be pitching in a ton of save situations.
- Is he the guy who blew 4 saves in 14 opportunities with a sky-high ERA through the end of July or the guy who was quietly fairly dominant the last two months of the season by utilizing his slider more & more?
- Does his bulky right knee and elbow hold up or does he miss at least a moderate amount of time on the DL?
Since the end of July, we’ve come up with ways to prevent Lidge from faltering. We all know that Samuel L. Jackson and weebles are the true reason for his turnaround, and as long as we continue with that, he’ll be just fine.
Schadenfreude is a dish best served cold. Sorry, the Yankees, but you lose.
by LeepinLizardz on Dec 16, 2010 6:37 PM EST up reply actions

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