Report: Phillies set to meet with Jeff Francoeur's Representatives, Presumably to Discuss Potential Employment as Professional Baseball Player.
by WholeCamels on Dec 6, 2010 1:55 PM EST
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As reported by David Murphy, the Phillies may be close to ostensibly replacing one of the game's most patient hitters (Jayson Werth, you silly geese!) with one of its least patient, one Jeff Francoeur.
While Francoeur is downright competent against LHP (.300/.363/.442), I fear the temptation would be there for Charlie Manuel to play him full-time if Domonic Brown struggles out of the gate. Manuel has allegedly stated that he believes he can "fix" Francoeur, for whatever that's worth. Charlie's worked some miracles in the past, so we'll see.
Pitches Per Plate Appearance
Jayson Werth
2007 - 4.57
2008 - 4.51
2009 - 4.51
2010 - 4.37
Jeff Francoeur
2007 - 3.44
2008 - 3.48
2009 - 3.34
2010 - 3.58
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Ugh
I’ve seen multiple mentions of Francoeur being brought to Philadelphia in a platoon capacity.
I’ve not posted about them anywhere because by writing it down it inherently makes it more real and this can’t be allowed to happen. I’ve never booed a guy who played for the phillies inherently – I’ll boo this douche
by SportingFanaticism on Dec 6, 2010 1:57 PM EST reply actions 7 recs
Say it ain't so.
Is it April 1 yet? The thought of having to watch that ridiculous grin while he flails away at pitches not remotely near the strike zone is like having needles driven into my eyes. Has the world gone mad. I’m no Matt Diaz fan, but he’d be 10 times more palatable than Francouer.
by MJW on Dec 6, 2010 3:23 PM EST up reply actions
I imagine the smugness of the press conference announcing the signing.
Hasn’t Francouer made numerous derogatory remarks towards aspects of the phillies be it the park or the fans or something?
by SportingFanaticism on Dec 6, 2010 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
Yes
BOILER UP!! 2010-2011
"You can commit no mistake and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." - Jean-Luc Picard
Wait, not the 3rd natural…. Who wouldn’t want that guy?
1st being Robert Redford, 2nd being Griffey Jr, once again, according to SI.
CAN ANYONE BE THIS GOOD?
Is that a serious question….
SI Curse (if u want more proof look in the lower right hand corner)
I've been waiting my whole life for an Eagles Championship
RIP JJ
by sports00fan00 on Dec 6, 2010 4:41 PM EST up reply actions
Damn I saw Hamels on a cover in early 09, he didn’t have to good of year
I wasn't even a year old but I stayed up to be outside the Vet with my Dad and Mom when the Phillies won the World Series 1980.
by Christopher A on Dec 6, 2010 5:16 PM EST up reply actions
Damn the title reallly scares me.
I wasn't even a year old but I stayed up to be outside the Vet with my Dad and Mom when the Phillies won the World Series 1980.
by Christopher A on Dec 6, 2010 5:23 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t understand where the SI Curse comes from. That magazine has an athlete on the cover practically every damn issue. It’s inevitable that from time to time, one of them will do badly after being profiled in the magazine.
Now, the Madden Curse, on the other hand . . .
by ThinMountainAir on Dec 6, 2010 9:02 PM EST up reply actions
That could be broken by Brees.
I wasn't even a year old but I stayed up to be outside the Vet with my Dad and Mom when the Phillies won the World Series 1980.
by Christopher A on Dec 6, 2010 9:22 PM EST up reply actions
Wasn’t it already broken by Favre two years ago (granted he played through an injury, but he started all 16), and Fitzgerald last year (although maybe that is nullified by the amount of time Polamalu spent out with injuries.
by dannijd on Dec 7, 2010 2:21 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
So was this what you saw in your dream WL before Saito and Wagner went down?
It didn’t get much buzz around the blog but I remember….
I'm on to ya
Now look: if RAJ goes gaga, you just use that… Shin of yours to call me and I’ll come a running. But don’t be reading my mind between four and five. That’s Willy’s time!
RED RUM
really, it was just relievers with injury histories over 33 years old going improbably well and deeply into a season. Though it may seem madness, thar be yet method to it.
Certainly, sir – and we thought the same thing – but there are many methods, many… and some more fun than others. What will you be drinking, sir?
Great pic. Gotta be one of the best scenes. “Lloyd, I’m the kind of man who likes to know who’s buying his drinks…”
by Boundforbeach on Dec 8, 2010 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
Every time i try to watch that film i fall asleep
by SportingFanaticism on Dec 8, 2010 10:56 PM EST up reply actions
link dead
Let’s hope Murphy got some bad info and is redacting his report…
http://www.thegoodphight.com
It’s been speculated on in many places (like I said earlier) regarding the whole ‘platoon’ thing with Brown
The Philadelphia Phillies have publicly stated that they would like to bring back right fielder Jayson Werth, but with the competition fierce, the club may have to look elsewhere. Bob Brookover of the Philadelphia Inquirer writes Sunday that GM Ruben Amaro is considering names such as Matt Diaz and Jeff Francoeur, both of whom would presumably split time with Domonic Brown, the organization’s best young talent.
From the ESPN rumors page ysterday
by SportingFanaticism on Dec 6, 2010 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
OH GOD YES!
Morgan: Do you think I could come into the clubhouse after the game and display my ass for both those veterans and the younger guys?
Baker: Well, Joe, you are on the payroll of the team, and you're a legend, so I suppose — holy shit!
[Joe has appeared next to Dusty, in the dugout, completely naked]
Morgan: Hey.
Amaro shows his true colors, my prediction is 3 years 30 million, and amaro calls it a bargain
by SportingFanaticism on Dec 6, 2010 2:13 PM EST reply actions
wtF
if this comes true, we get to tar & feather you.
by PHIGHTINPHILS on Dec 6, 2010 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
This is down to the arrogance of managers (they’re all arrogant like this). Jayson Stark has twittered (is that an acceptable verb now?) that Cholly is telling Franceour that he can “fix” him, and that he’s at a similar point in his career as Werth was when he joined the Phillies.
He’d be sacrificing playing time coming here versus going to other places interested in him (like KC) where he could play every day. Therefore, we need to somehow remind him how important playing time is. You don’t wanna sacrifice playing time, Jeff!
Never argue with an idiot. They'll bring you down to their level and then beat you with experience.
Jeff Francouer has had numerous injuries that cost him seasons and a problem smoking herb? Cause that’s were werth was when he came to philly, he was damaged goods because of injuries, Francouer just sucks.
by SportingFanaticism on Dec 6, 2010 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
NEEDZ MOAR HIPPO
…was the alternative
"Ninety percent of this game is half mental" - Yogi Berra (SI, May 14, 1979)
by bandwagonesque on Dec 6, 2010 2:43 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Best I could do...
"Ninety percent of this game is half mental" - Yogi Berra (SI, May 14, 1979)
by bandwagonesque on Dec 6, 2010 7:21 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
How about
"Ninety percent of this game is half mental" - Yogi Berra (SI, May 14, 1979)
by bandwagonesque on Dec 8, 2010 8:06 PM EST up reply actions
Think of the Children!
inter arma enim silent leges
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Dec 6, 2010 3:17 PM EST up reply actions
Just playing Devil's advocate here
IF Cholly can actually “fix” Francouer to the point he lives up to his original ceiling as a power bat in the corner outfield with a great arm, good defense and gets him to hit for respectable average. Frenchy would be an awesome replacement for Ibanez starting next year and could platoon with him some this year. I don’t like the guy, but assuming Cholly can get his line vs. RHP to look like the Lefty line above, I could learn to tolerate him.
Francouers swing would already be fixed if Francouer thought there was anything wrong with it (as numerous other people have commented very publicly that his plate approach sucks arse). Francouer isn’t a young pup any more, he is what he is and Cholly saying he can ‘fix’ him is a load of horse hockey spin worthy of Amaro, but not Colly
On the day that Gillick gets into the HOF – this makes totoal sense
by SportingFanaticism on Dec 6, 2010 2:50 PM EST up reply actions
I’m not saying he can be fixed, just hypothetically noting the benefits if he could be.
That said I would not be against this if they could get him at a bargain price.
Exactly
If they sign him for a pretty cheap contract, its the classic low risk high reward situation, similar to what Werth was when he came over. All Jeff really has to do is fix his plate recognition and suddenly hes a pretty solid player if not an all star. Its a tall task, but if its a low contract, theres really no harm in it.
by philiafan14364 on Dec 6, 2010 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
Except for the opportunity cost of wasted plate appearances while we see if he can be fixed. That would not be a bargain even if he didn’t get paid.
I hate his approach as much as others do, and while not the worst alternative for a platoon, I’d be very disappointed if the Phillies can’t do better.
I think this team is good enough to sacrifice some ST plate appearences as well as some early season PAs. If after that were convinced he cant change, we DFA him and be done with it.
by philiafan14364 on Dec 6, 2010 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
True, but I don’t think we need to do any better given the choices. Brown might not put up career numbers next year but top tier OF prospects like him have a 90% success rate. I’m not worried. I guess the issue is the RH bat. I really think Francisco who will be 27 this year (don’t quote me on that) or soon could do something. It’s more plausible to improve Franny’s fielding than it is to teach someone pitch recognition. As to the later, it’s usually an inborn quality as it deals with how the eye focuses as well as perception speed which can be improved to a point but not by taking BP ad nauseum which is basically how baseball trains players – a method, trianing for sport by solely playing a sport, that was debunked by Soviet researchers a long time ago.
The chatter I’ve been hearing on talk radio has been “We all know Domonic Brown isn’t going to start the season in the big leagues.” I haven’t been paying close enough attention lately to know whether that view has any basis in reality as far as Ruben’s state of mind goes, but it certainly has no merit.
610 is reporting that there’s conflict between RAJ and Charlie with RAJ wanting to keep Dom down and Charlie wanting him to play up. Of course, no source was mentioned during the time I listened.
"Ninety percent of this game is half mental" - Yogi Berra (SI, May 14, 1979)
by bandwagonesque on Dec 8, 2010 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
Seriously, if he didn’t have Francoeur’s face attached to him, I wouldn’t mind Francoeur as a platoon option. An .800 OPS with a sucky P/PA isn’t that much worse than an .800 OPS with a good P/PA. We’d still be talking about a useful player. The main problem is that we don’t need a platoon option. In fact, if we were to sign him, the better he did and the more he helped us in the short term, the more harm he’d do to us for the long term.
“the better he did and the more he helped us in the short term, the more harm he’d do to us for the long term.”
How do you figure? Browns likely to get platooned this year regardless of if we sign another outfielder or not. The way I see it, hed be taking away ABs more from Ibanez than Brown.
by philiafan14364 on Dec 6, 2010 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t know that I agree with either of those premises.
Whether or not Brown gets platooned is not binary. I’m sure he’ll lose some ABs vs. lefties no matter what. I’m fine with that if it’s limited. But the more he loses, the worse off he’ll be.
I’m also not as bearish on Ibanez as some. Signing him to that contract was bad at the time, but now that we’ve more-or-less dodged the bullet of the worst-case scenario so far, we have pretty decent odds of dodging it for one more year as well. I expect him to do OK this year, meaning that it could very well be rational in the short-term to give him more PT than Brown gets this year.
In order to guarantee that Brown gets the PT he needs, Charlie needs to be deprived of short-term alternatives. I’m willing to hope that that happens, even if it means that we will be made a little worse off in 2011.
Can't be worse...
than the Howard extension.
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
One really bad decision doesn’t make other bad decisions any less unacceptable.
by Delicious Cake on Dec 7, 2010 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
Completely irrelevant, but I can't stop myself
Every time someone quotes pitches per plate appearance, I think to myself:
One major reason we focus on pitches per plate appearance is because we’re hoping to tire out starters and get to the bullpen. But a one-pitch hit lowers pitches per plate appearance, while actually helping get to the bullpen.
Why not quote pitches per out instead?
That would be the right metric if you were trying to look at how much a player helps or hurts your team toward the goal of tiring the pitcher. But if what you’re trying to do is measure the player’s skill in taking pitches, then you want P/PA – you’re trying to zero in on the particular skill.
Does taking pitches accomplish something other than tiring out the pitcher? If not, then I don’t understand why you’d want to focus on specifically just taking pitches, regardless of result.
Also, as long as I’m taking us off-topic, I don’t find it particularly useful to take pitches against a reliever — pitches per out against a starting pitcher would be my key metric.
Yes. Also, a hitter could get better at hitting while remaining the same in his ability to take pitches. When something like that happens, it’s of interest to know why that hitter is getting bitter.
Also, ability to work through tough pitches to get to a pitch thrown in a more favorable location. i.e. you foul off the tough low inside pitches until the Pitcher accidentally hangs a curveball on pitch #7 of the PA. Walks would be the more frequent outcome probably, but if you have the bat speed to fight off tough pitches and the patience to stay off bad pitches you should get better pitches to hit either due to a favorable count or pitcher error.
All this. And everything gets better, statistically, as the at bat drags on – avg, obp (obvioulsy). slg, etc. One of the original Bill James truisms.
How does this guy keep fooling teams into thinking he’s anything other than roster fill?
Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est.
It’s really stunning. It honestly has the generic qualities of a bad/abusive relationship, from the “nice guy” rhetoric to the conceit that he can be “fixed.” What an awful idea.
Well, maybe that’s it.
IF Francoeur would be willing to take minimum salary, at infinite number of years at Phillies’ option, then it would make sense. Maybe.
Thinking about asking my employer for an 11-year contract.
Trade Leighton.
I hope you meant finite
I don’t want to get stuck with him in perpetuity.
Yeah, but it’s still Rube’s and I don’t trust that the right decision would be made. Therefore, I’d prefer something finite.
Actually, dannjd caught my drift.
If he would be willing to sign a minimum-salary contract, with an infinite number of years at the Phils option (for the minimum salary, with the decision to keep him or let him go each year at the Phils option) then he maybe would be worth it.
Of course, Frenchy would not sign that contract and I absolutely do not want Frenchy under any other circumstances.
Thinking about asking my employer for an 11-year contract.
Trade Leighton.
Keeping an open mind…keeping an open mind
inter arma enim silent leges
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Dec 6, 2010 3:23 PM EST reply actions
DIAZ > Francoeur
Even the Braves thought so.
Thinking about asking my employer for an 11-year contract.
Trade Leighton.
Because thinking about this anymore makes me want to puke...
…the Orioles traded for Mark Reynolds and the Brewers added Shawn Macrum from Toronto.
BOILER UP!! 2010-2011
"You can commit no mistake and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." - Jean-Luc Picard
A. They aren’t shopping him – they’re listening – they aren’t desperate to get rid of a budding superstar under company control for a while.
B. It would cost brown and a couple other prospects of or near the same level
The red sox gave up 3 of their top 10 to get adrian gonzalez.
Upton is worth more than Gonzalez
by SportingFanaticism on Dec 6, 2010 4:18 PM EST up reply actions
You guys are forgetting about the leadership, hustle and grit that he brings to this team. These are the guys that you need to win championships
Right on!
He’s still hungry, and Werth isn’t. Watch Jeff “Eye of the Tiger” Francoeur show the Phillies how to win again. Probably wouldn’t hurt to trade Victorino to the Giants to get Rowand back, too.
I am not a witch.
by RememberthePhitans on Dec 6, 2010 5:15 PM EST up reply actions
I’ve considered this. He also could provide me with newfound blogamockumentary possibilities as a thoroughly loathed character on this board (with the exception of one triple play). Move over, Pat the Bat. Veteran Clubhouse Presence may now have to be inherited by a new character, YAY GUYS.
It is always annoying when someone’s sig. line is larger then any posts. Yes I am refering to ICP.
I wasn't even a year old but I stayed up to be outside the Vet with my Dad and Mom when the Phillies won the World Series 1980.
I put mine in after they won in rememberance to my late father.
I wasn't even a year old but I stayed up to be outside the Vet with my Dad and Mom when the Phillies won the World Series 1980.
by Christopher A on Dec 6, 2010 6:30 PM EST up reply actions
Just baseball reference’d Francoeur. Christ, he’s just a fucking disaster. He’s the Pedro Feliz of corner outfielders.
He would be ok vs. LHP, but that is all, mofos. That is all. Maybe a late inning defensive replacement for Lawn Dart. He’s essentially 0 WAR all around. As a RHB platoon half, he’s worth something. Maybe 5 – 7 MM for one year with an option for the Phillies, so if Cholly “fixes” him (neutering?), they get more than one year out of it.
[original attempt to post barfed — hopefully this won’t x2p]
I am not a witch.
by RememberthePhitans on Dec 6, 2010 5:30 PM EST reply actions
Maybe 5 – 7 MM for one year with an option for the Phillies…
Not to pick on one miniscule part out of everything you’ve written, but I have to say… this is exactly what terrifies me.
In the abstract, signing Francoeur wouldn’t necessarily be a bad thing. Say he signed for the league minimum, and he got 150 at bats against lefties as the 5th outfielder — that wouldn’t bother me in the slightest. But we all know that’s not going to happen. Francoeur is still a “name” player, he still thinks he deserves to start, and if the Phillies sign him, it will be for a few million dollars so that he can log 350 to 400 at bats. And that, my friends, would be a horrible waste of resources.
he still thinks he deserves to start
Hence he’s delusional – isn’t there enough delusion associated with the phillies (when you include the fan base in toto?)
by SportingFanaticism on Dec 6, 2010 9:05 PM EST up reply actions
He hasn’t been a Brave for years, please use a different picture. There’s a good one of him diving to avoid a fly ball with the Mets.
Morgan: Do you think I could come into the clubhouse after the game and display my ass for both those veterans and the younger guys?
Baker: Well, Joe, you are on the payroll of the team, and you're a legend, so I suppose — holy shit!
[Joe has appeared next to Dusty, in the dugout, completely naked]
Morgan: Hey.
What's that? Unicorn?
Can do.
"Ninety percent of this game is half mental" - Yogi Berra (SI, May 14, 1979)
by bandwagonesque on Dec 6, 2010 10:05 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Unicron Goodies
1] How a top prospect is really made MLB Ready.
2] Footage of a retired MLB manager’s coronation as king of Baseball Camelot. Any resemblance to actual persons, living or dead, is unintentional and purely coincidental.
So who else watched transformers prime on the hub aside from me?:)
by SportingFanaticism on Dec 7, 2010 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
Only a five part mini (I was disappointed) i watched the first one on the dvr – haven’t watched the rest
don’t particularly like the new thrust of ‘gi joe’ renegades thoug
by SportingFanaticism on Dec 7, 2010 5:52 PM EST up reply actions
Why aren't the Phillies interested in Jeff Francis?
Success will be the best revenge
by secondroundpick on Dec 6, 2010 10:09 PM EST reply actions
I know he’s never healthy, but I’m pretty sure he can’t be as 2010 Big Joe
Success will be the best revenge
by secondroundpick on Dec 6, 2010 10:10 PM EST up reply actions
*be as bad as 2010 Joe
Success will be the best revenge
by secondroundpick on Dec 6, 2010 10:10 PM EST up reply actions
do i smell 4 straight comments from the same user? I sure do
Success will be the best revenge
by secondroundpick on Dec 6, 2010 10:11 PM EST up reply actions
Well, that’s not really true. If the numbers are to be believed, Blanton’s been better than Francis over the course of their respective careers; even crediting Francis for pitching in Colorado while Blanton pitched in Oakland for awhile, it’s probably about a tossup.
I love the idea of taking a flier on a guy recovering from an injury, but it really doesn’t make sense for the Phils to shop at the high end of that market. I liked the idea of signing Aaron Harang to take the 5th starter’s job, but not at $3.5 million; I suspect Francis will want more than that.
By all means, call Jeff Francoeur “Shirley.”
Formerly known as JFein
by Justin F. on Dec 6, 2010 11:29 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Want some good laughs?
Check out Francoeurs WAR over the past couple of seasons…hasn’t been above 2 since 2007 and mmmmm….that -3.0 in 2008 looks delicious. Come on RAJ..
"We definitley can't lose anymore games."
-Charlie Manuel
Signing Francoeur will guarantee my blood pressure skyrockets during the season.
He fucking blows.
Charlie, I love you…but, you can’t cure suck.
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phillies a no show
they want to raise our ticket price but yet they dont want to keep a winning team together explain
Quoi?
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Now Jon Heyman is reporting that the Phillies are linked with Cody Ross and Aaron Rowand.
Those two, plus Frenchie, might be my three least favorite players in MLB.
http://www.thegoodphight.com
just wait
until ALL THREE are the starting outfield in the second half of a doubleheader.
by the pricking of my thumbs, something wicked this way comes.
I'll take Ross
I hated him this postseason, but I wanted us to make a play for him when he was getting released and was available for trade. Great player.
Sad to admit as much as he killed us, he was just one of those guys when you saw him afterwards you just had to like him.
by Ant on Dec 7, 2010 9:38 AM EST up reply actions
Looks like Ant slept in a Hyperbolic chamber last night.
by Cormican on Dec 7, 2010 10:08 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Not in the sense of overall talent, when hes hot hes hot. But seems like a great clubhouse guy and one to want to rally for.
Why wouldn’t we want that on our team? Bench is key for us, after last seasons horrible addition of Castro.
But seems like a great clubhouse guy and one to want to rally for.
Just threw up in my moth a little…thanks.
Bench is key – ABILITY is key – being a good ‘clubhouse guy’ don’t give a crap
Ross had a hot playoffs and he’s going to get over paid – let someone else do it
by SportingFanaticism on Dec 7, 2010 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
Really, Rowand? I agree he was always massively overrated (for being white, gritty, etc.), but I still liked the guy. I think those two views are compatible.
RAJ is re-educating the Phillies fanbase, one player at a time
inter arma enim silent leges
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Dec 7, 2010 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
If rumors start about Swisher joining the Phillies, I will turn into a screaming mimi.
Honor is no substitute for victory.
Einen Nebelwerfer? Dass ist tragisch.
"I remember being three and I wanted to be a baseball player, that's all I ever really wanted to be. That and Spider Man." -Raul Ibanez
by Jose and the Contrarians on Dec 8, 2010 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
Bozo from TheFightins.com here…
Please god don’t let Ruben Amaro sign Franceour. Aside from being a fucking terrible player he’s hated by pretty much the entire fucking fanbase. Let’s hope this is just Jim Salisbury spewing shit out of his mouth for a change and nothing serious.
Am I allowed to curse on here? I miss TheFightins cause I was cursing on some other Phillies blogs and my posts kept getting deleted and I like to say fuck alot.
I’d say it’s too fucking late to ask at this point.
Generally some salty language seems to float here. So long as you don’t cuss like it’s a Tarantino movie, I think you’ll be fine.
It fails teh link
I am not a witch.
by RememberthePhitans on Dec 7, 2010 9:18 PM EST up reply actions
one of the all-time greats. Don’t forget to augment the profane cultural commentary with your takes on racism.
by Wet Luzinski on Dec 7, 2010 10:11 PM EST up reply actions
Generally this place is a little more buttoned up than TheFightins was, but some swearing is OK. Now, if/when Lidge blows a game, let fly.
by ThinMountainAir on Dec 8, 2010 1:09 AM EST up reply actions
Here’s another little tidbit to indicate just how little plate discipline Frenchy has. In his best full year, (2007) he drew 42 walks. By contrast, the fewest number of walks Jimmy Rollins, our Mr. Swing At Everything, has ever drawn in a full season is 44 in 2009, when you might remember he had some issues offensively. Now, obviously J-Roll is a much better player than Frenchy in all respects. But damn, that is some Pedro Feliz-level hacktacularity right there.
The walk rate horrified me, too.
I am not a witch.
by RememberthePhitans on Dec 7, 2010 9:19 PM EST up reply actions
Please excuse my n00b tendencies…but why do we hate Jeff Francoeur? Is it just because he’s a bad player? Or because he’s vocal to the media? Or is it something else more personal? I tried googling it, and didn’t turn up anything concrete. It sounds like we Phillies fans aren’t the only Francoeur haters out there. Just wondering…
Contreras and I were just looking at him eating this iguana thing over white rice and he put it away like it was a double cheeseburger, you know?
by LeepinLizardz on Dec 7, 2010 11:46 PM EST via mobile reply actions
He’s got poor plate disicpline, he’s said stupid things about the Phillies(3 extra home games etc) and considering that I’ve read reactions of Phillies fans getting mad at Jimmy Rollins for swinging at the first pitch even though he hit a LINE DRIVE for an OUT I could only imagine the responses to Franceour. He’s also made it well known that he wants to play everyday. Of course if the Phillies sign him we’ll just have to deal with it and hope for the best, he’s not that much than Ben Francisco(who I also dislike) anyways. Personally, I’m in the “Don’t Platoon Brown” bandwagon.
OT, and not to get off on a tangent...
But I have new least favorite player in MLB. What a f-in loser.
Nggggg…/brain aneurism.
Seriously, I realize that this isn’t the place to work it out, but can conservatives that have ideas about it please learn the difference between Russian, Cuban, and Venezuelan communism with the American system of politics? It’s an honestly infuriating simplification.
I bet that if you asked Luke Scott for a concise definition of socialism, he’d give you a blank stare. I also think that his agent is going to tear into him for discussing his views as a birther in a baseball interview.
by ThinMountainAir on Dec 8, 2010 10:18 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
And thank YOU sir for allowing me to skip that interview. There are actual, serious birthers still out there? This is still an issue?
::sigh::
On the bright side…looks like we might have dodged the Frenchy bullet per Rosenthal. God bless you, KC.
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It’s easy.
You’re not an exploiter, so you can grasp it.
It’s a good thing for you,
find out more about it.
The stupid call it stupid and the squalid call it squalid.
It’s against squalor and against stupidity.
The exploiters call it a crime but we know:
It is the end of crime
It is not madness, but the end of madness.
It is not the riddle but the solution
It is the simplest thing so hard to achieve.
—Bertolt Brecht.
Pessimism of the intellect, optimism of the will.
Look man, a pinko is a pinko is a commie ass pinko
by SportingFanaticism on Dec 8, 2010 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
I’ve already staked out my post 2012 land in a country that isn’t this one for the true pending apocalypse.
by SportingFanaticism on Dec 8, 2010 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
Apocalyse? Don’t worry, it won’t happen. Am I prepared? You betcha! Got those lauch codes written down on my hand.
it’s amazing how they keep coming up with people who are so bad you’d rather have the crap they served the last time given the choice. Kinda where Phillies fans are right now.
Oh no – this apocalypse is scary more likely – around early november 2010
by SportingFanaticism on Dec 8, 2010 10:58 PM EST up reply actions
God i’m slow – sorry about that :)
by SportingFanaticism on Dec 8, 2010 10:59 PM EST up reply actions
Communism? Communism. COMMUNISM. COMMUNISM COMMUNISM!
It has always amused me that the people who complain the most about ‘communism’ don’t know what the hell it is in theoretical practice or historical evolution.
"I remember being three and I wanted to be a baseball player, that's all I ever really wanted to be. That and Spider Man." -Raul Ibanez
by Jose and the Contrarians on Dec 8, 2010 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
It’s a catch all phrase for “anyone I disagree with”. It doesn’t bother me nearly as much as the “real American” drivel with it’s underpinning that if you don’t worship at the alter of Ayn Rand, you must be a tool of the communists who should go live in a country for you pansies like France.
Ayn Rand writes like a philospher – plodding, tedious, consistent – like she’s trying to prove a point. And that’s fine for philosphy but she has no sense of language which sucks for fiction. It’s like what I feel when I look at at Ingres paintings. They are well drawn but it’s not about the paint – it’s just coloring. Not like a Delacroix. Yummy paint. Ayn Rand makes me sleepy.
I’ll give Rand credit for one thing Atlas Shrugged may be the greatest book title ever, and I’m very jealous he thought of it first.
Frenchie Shrugged?
"Ninety percent of this game is half mental" - Yogi Berra (SI, May 14, 1979)
by bandwagonesque on Dec 8, 2010 8:17 PM EST up reply actions
Wait…no! Asshat Shrugged!
"Ninety percent of this game is half mental" - Yogi Berra (SI, May 14, 1979)
by bandwagonesque on Dec 8, 2010 8:19 PM EST up reply actions
Fixed
"Ninety percent of this game is half mental" - Yogi Berra (SI, May 14, 1979)
by bandwagonesque on Dec 8, 2010 9:16 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I’ll give Rand credit for one thing Atlas Shrugged may be the greatest book title ever, and I’m very jealous he thought of it first.
There was a sex change?
Anthem ws one of the few assigned books i read in high school – took about 45 minutes – so there’s that
by SportingFanaticism on Dec 8, 2010 11:00 PM EST up reply actions
I feel the same way about the bugbear of Marxism. You can have a Marxist view of history without believing in the redistribution of wealth as a socio-economic solution. Demonizing words removes sound ideas from reasoned, nuanced debate.
"Ninety percent of this game is half mental" - Yogi Berra (SI, May 14, 1979)
by bandwagonesque on Dec 8, 2010 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
BUT COMMUNISM
"I remember being three and I wanted to be a baseball player, that's all I ever really wanted to be. That and Spider Man." -Raul Ibanez
by Jose and the Contrarians on Dec 8, 2010 6:34 PM EST up reply actions
Frenchie signs with Royals
Someone please send a gift basket to the Royals Hierarchy.
Shows they never have any hope of contending.
RAJ asleep at the wheel for letting Diaz go to Pirates for less than 2.5mm per yr and 2 yrs!
He got mo money from the Dodgers but wanted to stay East Coast.
by Ant on Dec 8, 2010 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
Adam, my apologies, did not see this before posting fanshot (just saw no other front page articles/links).
Otherwise, agree with all your points.
Thinking about asking my employer for an 11-year contract.
Trade Leighton.
What is left? a trade?
What options are left for right field?
Magglio?
Still thinking we make a move somehow that throws us all for a loop… maybe in LF?
by Ant on Dec 8, 2010 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
What does anybody think about Ryan Doumit??
Wasnt he a big prospect?
Seems they will eat $$ and just wanna dump him. Maybe they’ll take Ibanez (j/k). Seriously, maybe they will take Danys Baez instead of eating $$.
He’s a somwehat powerful RH bat who can C/1B and RF (only against lefties)?
Some posters talk about his attitude – but maybe thats from playing on such a losing team for so long…
I dont get it… what gives?
ahhh - nevermind....
looks like he’ s more of a switch hitter and his splits against lefties suck…. oh well.
George Sherill get anyone excited? Another reclamation project? Reports Phils and talking to him. Also talking to Reyes, which has been reported for the last day or so.
Shit I thought Nate Roberston would have worked out. All his career splits indicated he’d make a good LOOGY but, everyone conveniently forgot the commonly held sabermetric position that “pitchers can’t pitch to the score” applies whether winning or losing, and subsequently burnt him at the stake for one lousy outing in a game where his performance changed the 99.999 Win Expectancy one fricking percent and futhermore, he received little help from the defense that gifted the Marlins 2 extra outs. I’d also like to add that admist all the booing and hand wringing from 40,000 people, the struggling southpaw who was not only pitching against the team he had just played for but a team that normally draws more lightening strikes than fans, didn’t even receive a mound visit from Dubee the Dickless. At least Figgy and Rodrigo Lopez got us a scrap of carpet to kneel on and kiss after.
I think there’s no rush on Sherill or Reyes, esp with what Bastardo did at the end of the year. But Rube’s itching to do something. If there’s any impulse buys I just hope he’s no where near the relievers table.
Yeah, I don’t want any relievers. The money usually isn’t huge, but the performance (with rare exceptions) is very erratic. I’d much rather rely on the rooks and take our chances there. Especially if it leaves some extra cash on the table for a RH power bat to come off the bench and spell the outfielders.
How else do you explain all those years with JC Romero?
by ThinMountainAir on Dec 8, 2010 11:21 PM EST up reply actions
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