why werth should be here beyond 2010
if werth puts up similar numbers or better, ruben will NOT be able to find a replacement. besides, how many players in the league that make 15mil/yr are actually worth that. 30+ homers, 20+ steals, RH bat, plus arm, and All-Star. after pat the bat left the phils put alot on his shoulders to be the new RH power bat and he delivered. i predict 3 - 4 good years left. the phils get 4 mil tickets sold a year. i dont remember it getting cheaper to see the phils. we spent the money, now management show us some love. by the way, why was ownership keeping payroll at 140 mil? i never heard a reason why.
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It would be nice, but hes going to want at least Bay type money (if not more) and I just dont think it would be cost effective to give him that much when we have sooooooo many OF prospects.
I think our ‘right handed power bat’ will be our SS when Werth walks…
by philiafan14364 on Feb 13, 2010 11:29 AM EST reply actions
They filled CBP to 102 percent of capacity last year. Yeah, they can raise ticket prices again, and I imagine they will, but otherwise there aren’t many obvious ways to increase revenue. That’s why it’s capped at or around $140m.
I would think TV contracts for a growing Phillies market would be one possible source of increased revenue.
by Clyde Simmons on Feb 15, 2010 7:52 AM EST up reply actions
The question is available population: as a city in the Urban Corridor we are within spitting distance of the New York and a stone’s throw from Boston. New York is the most populated city in the US, and Boston though not as populated as Philadelphia, makes up the difference with the combined populations of the New England states. Expanding into the smaller populated states is difficult for us with the Orioles and Nationals accounting for the 120+ plus miles between the parts of Delaware already wearing red and the Mason-Dixion Line. Also, we must share the hearts of Pennslyvania with the pitiful Pirates whose sins are swept under the fanbase rug by the recent success of the Steelers and Penguins. The Pittsburgh fanbase’s championship blood lust is so well satiated that they can keep the Pirates around like a king who has a pet jester.

No worries little Bucko….we have your brothers to pick up for your slack
Not until Harrisburg do you see franchise allegiance disorder…At a gas station right outside of Harrisburg I saw a Phillies cap on kid wearing a Sidney Crosby shirt. Entertaining the thought of all the Death Race 2000 points I’d rack up running that abomination over couldn’t be helped.
I think if the TV market is to expand, the Phillies must win the loyalty of those who are geographically justified in supporting either PA team and then knock down any remaining Oriole nests in the southern half of Delaware.
Well these geographical issues aside, and the fact that we’re a good team, image-wise, we are easy to market:
1] a catchy nickname – the phightin’ phils
2] the trite but true Balboa underdog angle – and not just because of some misplaced, sentimental fixation that inspired
a life sized bronze Rambo in front of our world class art museum – but literally, from the worst team in the history of
baseball and in pro – sports to our new found success…
3] the best and most recognizable mascot in sports
4] chase utley and jayson werth are sexy
5] the entire city of NY hates Jimmy Rollins
6] none of our players celebrate with the chest bump or any other gimmick used to catch the eye of sports video
game programmers
7] We can play in sub-artic temperatures and monsoons without complaining and still win
8] We make Bobby Cox’s face turn red
9] We have the best pitcher in MLB
10] We hit shit loads of home runs…in any park.
11] Even our pitchers can hit
12] We don’t play “Sweet Caroline” for the 7th inning stretch, nor do we have a HR choo-choo train
13] No one on our team leaves a game early for any reason unless its an emergency.
14] rank and file, blue colar appeal unlike the corporate raiders up the turnpike
Now how you go about marketing it is a different story.
by j reed on Feb 15, 2010 6:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I really love this comment, the picture just makes me lol.
For what it’s worth, lots of Orioles fans in Central PA (particularly York, though some Harrisburg, Carlisle, and Lancaster, too). Lancaster leans Eagles/Phillies, Harrisburg and Carlisle lean Steelers/Phillies. All with a minority presence of Orioles fans, though.
http://www.thegoodphight.com
I’m actually starting to warm up to them, as well as the Jays, just by virtue of the fact that they’re not the Yankees or the Red Sox.
The Orioles are reaping the benefits of their storied past…moving from St. Louis in 1950 to the armpit of the North- Baltimore – where from 1966 they went from baseball basement dwellers to a winning club until 1983 by developing a premiere farm system whose success rivaled that of 1926-46 St. Loius Cardinals
During this period, the Orioles played baseball the Oriole Way, an organizational ethic best described by longtime farm hand and coach Cal Ripken, Sr.’s phrase “perfect practice makes perfect!” The Oriole Way was a belief that hard work, professionalism, and a strong understanding of fundamentals were the keys to success at the major league level. It was based on the belief that if every coach, at every level, taught the game the same way, the organization could produce “replacement parts” that could be substituted seamlessly into the big league club with little or no adjustment
They seem to be returning to returning to this method with their new crop of talent although they don’t have a Jim Palmer, Steve Stone, Pat Dobson, Dave McNally, or Mike Mussina in their rotation…at least as far as i know.
The Phillies already have about $133 million tied up into salaries for 2011. That does not include JC Romero’s $4.5 mil club option or arbitration for Ben Francisco and Greg Dobbs.
A $140+ million payroll is not very easy to maintain. Only one team exceeded that number last year (I don’t think I need to say which).
The only “bad” contracts are the ones for Ibanez and Lidge. No one is going to take Ibanez because of age/salary. If Lidge has a bad year nobody will want him. If he has a good year we won’t want to get rid of him. How are we going to clear salary?
The only way Werth is staying is if he’s signed to a big contract that’s backended. Something like Jason Bay’s, which goes $6.5 mil this year and jumps to $16 mil in 2011. Worry about 2012 and what to do with Howard when it comes. I fully believe Ruben will look into doing this.
A $140+ million payroll is not very easy to maintain. Only one team exceeded that number last year (I don’t think I need to say which).
I believe that is going to be the third-highest payroll in MLB this year (with the Yankees over $200 million, and Boston in the $160s). One wonders if there’s any figure that could ever make the threadstarter happy.
The only "bad" contracts are the ones for Ibanez and Lidge. No one is going to take Ibanez because of age/salary.
Ibanez is not a “bad contract.” I can’t understand why people always say this because it simply defies all logic. People talk about him as if he’s Vernon Wells, but there is simply no similarity between their situations whatsoever. He is only going to have 1 year, 12 million left after this year. Obviously if he shows this year that he can’t play anymore, that’s one thing, but if he can’t play anymore, then any contract would be a bad, untradeable contract. Assuming that he can still play, then his age is not even a consideration since he’ll only have one year left on his deal. $12 million might be on the high side but it isn’t astronomical.
If Ibanez shows this year that he can still play, his contract will be eminently tradeable. You won’t get much for him in return, but so what. The thought experiment that people should run in evaluating this question is: Assuming Ibanez plays well in 2010, what kind of deal would he be able to get on the open market following the season? Would it be drastically different than 1 year, 12 million? If the answer is no (and it is), then his contract is tradeable.
There’s a read I put the word bad in quotations. I am not saying that he doesn’t deserve his contract. What I mean is that given his age and salary the return on him would be practically nothing.
Yeah, that’s actually not what you said before. What you said was, “No one is going to take Ibanez because of age/salary.” I see that we now both agree that that statement was incorrect.
While it’s true that we wouldn’t get much of a “return” for Ibanez in terms of getting actual players back if we were to trade him next offseason, that strikes me as being irrelevant. The “return” we would get is up to $12 million of “cap space,” so to speak, which could be diverted to other needs. This is a good thing for the team if they have a cost-controlled replacement ready to go. It’s also no worse than the return they would get on Ibanez the following offseason if they were to instead decide to just let the last year of his contract run.
regret
If only there had been a post on the front page, where this post could have originally gone as a comment…
http://www.thegoodphight.com
His beard
his beard is the reason Werth should be here beyond 2010
To me the Eagles are like that girlfriend that pisses u off, then u hate her, but the next morning you wake up and remember that thing u love so much about her
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