Status of Chan Ho
by DeuceisLoose926 on Feb 18, 2010 1:26 PM EST
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Does anyone no what the status is on Chan Ho? I'm sure he is probably hanging around hoping that someone will bite on him as potentially being a 5th starter for them. If he does not get any looks there; however, for a few weeks, I think it would be wise for ol' Ruben to try and kick the tires on him and see if he would come back as a reliever. As I said, I'm sure he wants to start, but maybe if he's still hanging around in a few weeks the Phils could bring him back. What do you guys think about this?
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http://twitter.com/SI_JonHeyman/status/9236282428
#cubs, #rays, maybe #yankees could be possibilities for chan ho park, who pitched superbly in world series last year
I don’t know that Heyman is reliable. Take it for what it’s worth.
I’d love it if we could find a way to bring Park back, as he was our best reliever at times last year. That said, even if he gives up on his pursuit of a starting job, he should be able to command at least $1.5 to $2 million, and I’m not sure that’s in the organization’s budget at this point (having already signed Baez and Contreras).
not sure we will be having him back now that we have signed those two...
unless chan gives us a massive discount
eff you we winning anyway
A.I. IS BACKKKKKKK
well F**K me runnin’. Are you kidding me @ the Harbor Freight price of 1.2 million. Isn’t that what were paying Contreras at 44 yrs old? Moral of the story….better things come to those who wait
In fairness to Amaro and the gang, Park’s the one who screwed the pooch here. Cue Buster Olney…
Heck of a bargain for the NYY to sign Chan Ho Park at $1.2 million.He turned down $3.25 mil. and a 1-year deal from PHI early in offseason.
Well, at least he gets his coveted shot at starting. Wait, what’s that? He’s only going to be a reliever for the Yankees? Awww shucks, too bad about that $2 million, huh Chan Ho?
by PhillyFriar on Feb 22, 2010 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
he’s going to the yanks for tradition and championship contention, but between the yanks and phils, i think the phils have the easier path to the WS (on paper). So CHoP basically gave up $2M for “tradition and history”
single tear.
Chase Utley is so good that on one pitch he stole second, third and the shortstop's hat.
I get the feeling that Charlie was never big on Chan Ho anyway, from reading his various quotes. Through various conversations, UC made it sound like he thought Park was a bit soft.
"Tortorella’s got it all wrong ... Gaborik shouldn’t be messing with our skilled player." -Peter Luuko
I remember that he injured his hamstring 2 or 3 weeks before the postseason and while on the DL rushed his recovery only to aggravate his condition, yet he still made the post season and pitched very well. Charlie is great in many respects but at one point last year he had pitched Lidge 4 times in a row …that violates just about every principle underlying sports science and medicine. Pretty hard to say someone’s soft if you demostrate such little understanding about the effects of the position on your player.
Interesting. That might suggest that we ought to temper any criticism we have of Lidge for not admitting he was hurt and not taking himself out last year. It could be that Charlie is simply unreasonable about these matters. Maybe just for pitchers. Who knows.
Based on his public statements, Dubee seems like the biggest hard-ass of all. He strikes me as being very self-consciously macho.
And/or dumb....
I think we should have a fund raiser to get Dubbe a PC. WTF is he writing on that clipboard that isn’t obsessively recorded by baseball stat geekdom and provided for free on-line. Shouldn’t he pay more attention to those psychological intangibles that annoy us stat heads because we can’t measure them. Consider this: a well rested Pedro, despite the added adrenaline of an WS elimination game in NY no less, couldn’t get his fastball (from his hand) past 83 mph when he was throwing 88 mph only 5 days before the 3 run gem he pitched in game 2. Did the guy forget to take a radar gun to Pedro’s bull pen session because that kind drop in performance is from injury and probably the chronic over use variety that any pitching coach at the MLB level should have picked up on. If the injury occured on the mound it would have most likely been acute, walk off the field and into the dug out type of trauma.
At the moment, I’m still agnostic as to whether or not Dubee is a good pitching coach, on balance. It’s difficult to evaluate pitching coaches. The big picture is what matters and in the big picture, I don’t think many of Dubee’s pitchers have greatly exceeded expectations under his watch, but at the same time I don’t think many have greatly underperformed either.
I do think that some of public comments are the types of comments that I would find objectionable if they were said by my work supervisor. Oddly, I do not find that Charlie typically does this kind of thing.
Well the point is when you have a team as good as ours, a team one of the best pitchers in baseball wants to play on, a team renowned for its club house chemistry, you play your hand like you have a full house , 4 of a kind, straight….and you do so because that’s what your holding. We are bluff proof to a certain degree. You hold out on relievers (other than closers) bench players, and position players in low demand because there’s always free agents who screw themselves and get desperate at the 11th hour. Like LaRouche. Now we have no money to have even bid for Park because we had to have Contreras who’d still be on the block. You don’t go bargin shopping until spring training or the season starts…it limits your options otherwise.
I agree, and I didn’t mean to let Amaro off the hook entirely; I still think the Phillies are foolish for jumping on Ibanez so early last offseason (I mean, look at what Abreu and Dunn wound up signing for). But in this specific instance, I’d say that 95% of the blame goes to Park and his failure to let the dream die.
I think I was reacting to the Yankeeness of it all. Park is more just an example…it’s not like he’s a spring chicken but certainly more viable to Contreras. I just think Amaro needs to realize that he is now playing at the high rollers table and should work his his hand accordingly. Unfortunately with the Lee stituation this was done for him by the ownership….what can the guy do when during the winter meetings, the Daliy News has printed an article stating that by decree of the powers that be, the Phillies mean business on their budget. Once the Halladay deal gets underway, teams know we won’t keep Lee for 1 yr. at 9 mill. and the lefty’s stock doesn’t just drop, it tailspins out of control…
Let’s all recall that there was essentially no middle ground with this guy. He was either real real good or pooch-screwingly horrendous. Some of that had to do with his role, maybe – so once he moved into the bullpen and performed so well, you had to respect him for being completely solid for the Phils out of the bullpen in the second half of last year.
Seems clear to me that our relationship with him was busted, so he wasn’t coming here, and he wasn’t sold that either the Rays or Cubs were going to contend, scores on which I agree. So he waited for Cashman to Price is Right him. The starting stuff proved to be a red herring, which makes sense now. His demeanor, body language, everything spoke to how thrilled he was to play in the WS last fall.
Nonetheless: he’ll face some real tough lefty hitters in the AL East who will aim at both his bandbox/WB Mason right field homer wall and Pesky’s Pole, all with a career 1.4 WHIP. Cashman could have been mesmerized a bit by that WS performance. There’s a solid chance he could wind up being a Trojan Horse. I like how the Phils match up against him anyways.So – we may yet have a chance to Han Cho tonite, everybody.
by Wet Luzinski on Feb 22, 2010 10:29 PM EST up reply actions
btw that’s mostly speculation on matchups. Per baseball-reference, he hasn’t faced Howard, Utley, Werth, or Victorino. Happy Pete was really the only one to tune him up w/ an 879 OPS in 12 PAs.
by Wet Luzinski on Feb 22, 2010 10:36 PM EST up reply actions
Did you just Wang Chung?
Thought you might think want to check out this fangraphs piece on Park if you hadn’t already. Parting ways with Park isn’t the issue for me, it’s if we are to strictly adhere to a budget then let’s not buy filler pieces or sunk cost older pitchers who are easy to find and leave our selves out of the sweepstakes for the yearly charity seeking free agents who have over valued the market. Guys want to play for us esp. if they fear the NY media….everyone knows that unless your name is Reid or McNabb your not gonna get media raped like you would as a Yankee. I can’t help think that we might have gotten Torrealba instead of Schiender if we exercised a little patience?
hadn’t read – interesting. I had no idea he never gave up a HR out of the pen. Amazing. Still I agree with your point. Offseason patience not a strong suit of Amaro’s, and yet during the season he has had a knack for fine-tuning.
OTOH on a broader framework, it appears that the Phils are setting themselves up to break camp with vets who could potentially be replaced with a hot hand at AA or AAA; there are likely candidates and remember you only need one or two at any given time. That may be an old-timey mindset, but keep in mind that it is spots like Park’s that tend to have prominent elements of serendipity to them, so no use spending a lot of time agonizing over them. So it’s what taco pal says below… maximize certainty, minimize risk.
by Wet Luzinski on Feb 22, 2010 11:38 PM EST up reply actions
The thing I like about Baez though is his closer experience in light of Bi-polar Brad and Madson whose stuff screams closer but lacks, for the lack of a better term, the closer mind-set (some argue this mind-set mythologized horsecrap, others don’t…doesn’t matter, I want options when it comes to closing and Baez gives me one more esp if either Madson or Lidge can’t pitch on a particular night. )
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