Comparing Johan Santana and Roy Halladay
I was just recently on ESPN and read an article by Roy Neyer.
I decided to do a little bit of comparison and came up with this after the jump:
Johan Santana was asked who the best pitcher in the division is this year, and he just shrugged and answered in third person by saying, "Santana".
I respect his confidence but........
I was curious and decided to do a little research(nothing much)and share it with you guys because I am quite bored anyway.... It's a Thursday night.
Now the comparison:
Roy Halladay and Johan Santana have basically the same ERA over the last 2 seasons:
Halladay has a 2.78 ERA in 485 innings.
Santana has a 2.78 ERA in 401 innings.
Now the huge difference is that Halladay has pitched in the much stronger division with better hitters and pinch hitters.(Not having to face pitchers.)Halladay has pitched in the American League while Santana pitched in the National League.
Halladay's teams he pitched against in the American League East order is from
best teams to worst:
1. New York Yankees(As much as we hate them they are the top)
2. Boston Red Sox
3. Tampa Bay Rays
4. Baltimore Orioles
As you can see, this division is arguably the best division in the MLB.
During the years an East Division Team has gone to play in the World Series 25 times, and 14 of those teams have hoisted the World Series Champion trophy.
Since the wild-card playoff berth has been introduced in the 1995 season:
An AL East team has sent a team at 11 out of 15 years.
Some Premier hitters that Halladay has faced:
1. Dustin Pedroia
2. Victor Martinez
3. Kevin Youkillis
4. Jason Bay
5. Derek Jeter
6. Johnny Damon
7. Alex Rodriguez
8. Hideki Matsui
9. Jorge Posada
10. B.J. Upton
11. Carl Crawford
12. Evan Longoria
13. Carlos Pena
14. Adam Jones
15. Brian Roberts
Roy Halladay's full stats from last year:
Team: Toronto Blue Jays
Games Pitched: 32
Games Started: 32
CG: 9
SHO: 4
IP: 239
H: 234
R: 82
ER: 74
HR: 22
BB: 35
SO: 208
Wins: 17 Loss: 10
ERA: 2.79
Last Year was Roy Halladay's 2nd or 3rd best year.
In 2005 he had a 2.41 ERA yet he only played 19 games.
In 2008 he had a 2.78 ERA and only played 34 games.
Johan Santana pitched in the NL East the past 2 years.
The teams he has pitched against(order from best to worst):
1. Philadelphia Phillies (Obviously and I'm not being biased)
2. Atlanta Braves
3. Florida Marlins
4. Washington Nationals
So you can tell the difference already.
Johan Santana's full stats from 2008 (because that year he was much more healthier than this past season)-
Team: New York Mets
Games Pitched: 34
Games Started: 34
CG: 3
SHO: 2
IP: 234.1
H: 206
R: 74
ER: 66
HR: 23
BB: 63
SO: 206
Wins: 16 Loss: 7
ERA: 2.54
Very respectable. I admire Johan Santana as one of the most premier pitchers in baseball(probably in the top 10), yet I do not agree with his statement that he is the best pitcher in the NL East.
Some Nasty Hitters Johan has faced.( Mostly because of the Phils):
1. Jimmy Rollins
2. Shane Victorino
3. Chase Utley
4. Ryan Howard
5. Jayson Werth
6. Carlos Ruiz
7. Raul Ibanez
8. Chipper Jones
9. Brian McCann
10. Adam LaRoche
11. Yunel Escobar
12. Hanley Ramirez
13. Adam Dunn
14. Ryan Zimmerman
Spring Training has started!
We will see when the 2010-2011 season starts who is the best pitcher.
Can't wait to see them face off against each other, personally I think Roy would win though.
Comment on below who you think is the best pitcher in the NL East and your thoughts on the upcoming season:
(Also poll below)
Roy Halladay stats source:http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/stats?playerId=3973
Johan Santana stats source: http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/stats?playerId=4280
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There’s also the fact that it remains to be seen how Santana comes back from surgery. He probably won’t show any ill-effects, but if there are any, it makes an already downright difficult case that he’s the best simply impossible.
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by Jose and the Contrarians on Feb 18, 2010 8:08 PM EST reply actions
I want to see how Josh Johnson does this year
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by sports00fan00 on Feb 19, 2010 11:59 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
I don't think you can really go wrong with either one but
I’ll take Roy. He’s gonna win 25 games this year.
what
Halladay will do something that hasn’t been done in 20 years?
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by WholeCamels on Feb 19, 2010 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
Damn straight. And when he’s done, he’ll consume the NL East with fireballs from his eyes, and bolts of lightning from his arse.
Rodan has attacked NYC before, it’s possible when can enlist his aid once more.
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by Jose and the Contrarians on Feb 19, 2010 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
What worries me as much as anything here is that too many people are setting completely unrealistic expectations for Halladay, to the extent that if he has a really good season — say, 17-10, 3.20 ERA, 200 Ks — people will be disappointed that he DIDN’T DO MORE!! and the backlash will commence.
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We have 24 games against the Pirates and Nationals, if Cholly is willing to pitch Doc on back to back days about 17 times, this is possible.
no way
Halladay has a full career of dominance and being a 1st tier pitcher. Hanson just showed up last season and Johnson is just now starting to get name recognition.
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by XxBleedGreen5xX on Feb 20, 2010 10:15 AM EST up reply actions
As I recall when we played Hanson, we gifted wrapped his ass and handed it back to him with a bow on it. Not that it means much statistically but any time I get to slam a Brave…well, I take it.
Well we did win the season series from you guys 10-7
So i’m thinking you’re a little confused on who’s ass was “gift wrapped” and who’s wasn’t.
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by Scott Coleman on Feb 20, 2010 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, my mistake
I stand corrected.
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by Scott Coleman on Feb 20, 2010 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
Tim Lincecum had “just showed up” after his debut season in 2007. He seemed to pitch pretty well after that.
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by Scott Coleman on Feb 20, 2010 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
Hanson is to Lincecum as Happ is to Lincecum. Both are due to regress, though I think Hanson has more talent.
How are both due to regress?
Hanson is armed with 3-plus pitches. Happ’s armed with very average Major League stuff; he just had a helluva rookie season. Happ’s FIP was 4.33 compared to Hanson’s 3.50. If anyone is going to regress, it’s much more likely that Happ will and Hanson won’t.
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by Scott Coleman on Feb 20, 2010 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
Your coming at me with that shit when the guy isn’t Tim Linececum and better yet, your on a rival team’s site and I throw you a bone by conceding Hanson is better than Happ!!!… Futhermore the overall tone of the majority of the posts is light fair and full of generalizations (like young pitchers have been know to regress for a season) but yet feel the need to wip out your sabermetrics dick to try to incite a stats. pissing contest over two rookie pitchers. Besides, if there is any regression what do you infer from “I think Hanson has more talent.” Pretty safe bet that I’m impling Hanson will regress less. I am not going to step on my pitcher completely at the expense of exalting a rivals esp. one who we handedly beat. I’ll give Jair Jurgens those props. but not a rookie right hander with a “lookie here’s the ball” Freddy Garcia type of arm action which scouting reports deem deliberate. What did some projection about the Braves rub you the wrong way and you came into enemy territory looking for a fight?
All I said was Tommy Hanson and/or Josh Johnson could have something to say about this
You were the one who said:
“As I recall when we played Hanson, we gifted wrapped his ass and handed it back to him with a bow on it. Not that it means much statistically but any time I get to slam a Brave…well, I take it.”
I’m not the one with a problem here…
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by Scott Coleman on Feb 20, 2010 2:58 PM EST up reply actions
for the love of god
He was expressing happiness that the Phillies beat Hanson. He made no overarching evaluation of his ability. In fact he said “Not that it means much statistically…”
Stop being a delicate daisy!
Now, I will take guidance from the old adage about “Arguing on the Internet…”
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you go right ahead and cuss me out over the internet big fella. that’ll help you feel better about yourself.
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by Scott Coleman on Feb 20, 2010 3:05 PM EST up reply actions
I never said "sticks and stones"...
C’mon.
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by Scott Coleman on Feb 20, 2010 3:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
:(
was it something I said?
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by Scott Coleman on Feb 20, 2010 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
point
He does have a point though, guys. Sorry, we’re going to shut down and relaunch this blog to talk about how wonderful the Braves and their players (and fans!!) are, from the perspective of Phillies’ fans!
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tomahawk tools
What is with Braves fans constantly trying to compare Happ and Hanson? I mean, no crap, Hanson is better, and barring injury is going to be better, but they seem to take some kind of glorified joy in asserting Hanson’s superiority.
Your putative “ace” is better than the Phillies’ 4th starter, congrats!
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Jesus Christ
All I said was "Tommy Hanson and/or Josh Johnson could have something to say about this. " and then i get this shit about ""As I recall when we played Hanson, we gifted wrapped his ass and handed it back to him with a bow on it. Not that it means much statistically but any time I get to slam a Brave…well, I take it."
I get it guys…you’re badasses now cause you’ve won the divison a few times and made the World Series twice. Alright cool. Go win the divison 12 more seasons a row.
Omar Minaya is my hero!
by Scott Coleman on Feb 20, 2010 3:04 PM EST up reply actions
and people wonder
why I hate the Braves so much more than the Mets.
Supporting your team is great, and it’s probably not fair to take this out on mvhsbball (is there a Confederate “hero” whose initials were “MV”? I guess we should just be glad that it’s not “nbfhsbball,” though I’m sure that guy is out there). In stark contrast to the vast majority of those unfortunate enough to live in that glorified airport of a city, s/he actually cares about the game. And maybe it’s a kind of homage that what few serious fans there are whine as much as the manager and the players they support.
I live in Arizona
and I’ve never once been to the city of Atlanta except for when i was like 6 on a connecting flight to get to Disney World. So yeah, I have no idea what you just said…
Omar Minaya is my hero!
by Scott Coleman on Feb 20, 2010 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
I'm a Mets fan
Halladay is better than Santana. Santana has had a better career, but right now Halladay is better. Not by a huge amount; they’re both top pitchers, and there is a decent chance that Santana is better next year, but I would take Halladay if given the choice.
But your reasoning is pretty terrible. The competition is not the reason Halladay is better. Santana completely dominated the AL a couple years ago, he can dominate any team.
There are many reasons but the 1 reason I had is legit
But Johan and Halladay are both close to each other in the top 10. Halladay is considered the best pitcher, Johan is probably top 10
eff you we winning anyway
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"Top 10"
Johan Santana is a Top 10 pitcher the same way “The Simpsons” is a Top 10 all-time animated sitcom.
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easy
Overlooked in the larger agonies of the Mets in the last few years is that they still haven’t seen Santana at his best, or at least putting up numbers that reflect his greatness. In ’08 IIRC the bullpen blew something like eight late leads for him, and last year of course he was hurt.
(Was Johan a fantasy ball performer for me in both of those seasons? Why yes, yes he was.)
The guy is tremendous, and unlike Reyes, KRud and other obnoxious Mets, he’s generally as classy as he is talented. If he’s physically right, he’ll put up numbers comparable to Halladay at his best. Choosing between them is the baseball version of “Bar Refaeli or Christina Hendricks?”
Top 5?
Lincicum
Halladay
Beckett
Santana
CC
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by XxBleedGreen5xX on Feb 20, 2010 10:17 AM EST reply actions
hint
His name rhymes with “Smosh Reckett”.
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by WholeCamels on Feb 20, 2010 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
I agree...
with four of those…but who is the fifth? Because Josh Beckett does not belong.
by PhilsForever on Feb 20, 2010 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
Seattle is going to be a real good team this year with King Felix and Cliff Lee
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