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Should Rollins Bat 7th?

 

  1. Shane Victorino
  2. Placido Polanco
  3. Chase Utley
  4. Ryan Howard
  5. Jayson Werth
  6. Raul Ibanez
  7. Jimmy Rollins
  8. Carlos Ruiz
  9. (Pitcher)

Egos aside, what is the best batting order?
What will Charley actually do?
What would Tony LaRussa do? (Bat Rollins 9th?)

 

 

  1. Shane Victorino
  2. Placido Polanco
  3. Chase Utley
  4. Ryan Howard
  5. Jayson Werth
  6. Raul Ibanez
  7. Jimmy Rollins
  8. Carlos Ruiz
  9. (Pitcher)

Egos aside, what is the best batting order? 
What will Charley actually do? 
What would Tony LaRussa do? (Bat Rollins 9th?) 

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I think we have to see which Rollins shows up this year before we shake up the lineup. If he pulls another “Im not hitting until the second half” routine, then yeah drop him.

If not, things get tricky. I really like the top 3 of that lineup the way you have it, so maybe use Jimmy to break up Utley and Howard. But then you have Howard batting 5th…

Maybe Werth behind Utley, slide everyone else down, and then slot Jimmy where Jayson was. But then you still have Howard 5th.

Sooooooo many possibilities!

by philiafan14364 on Feb 7, 2010 10:19 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

larussa's batting order

polanco
utley
howard
werth
ibanez
rollins
ruiz
pitcher
victorino

just a guess

by #26HOF2B on Feb 7, 2010 11:00 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Victorino’s career OBP: .347
Rollins’ career OBP: .329

For all his various attributes as a ballplayer (many of them admirable), Jimmy Rollins is an out machine and should not be batting leadoff if a viable alternative exists. Batting lower in the order would allow the team to exploit his obvious gifts (XBHs) and minimize his weaknesses. Having a slug like Ibanez on base in front of him might cut down his SBs but who cares? If you have two runners on base, regardless of the situation, you’re doing OK.

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by WholeCamels on Feb 7, 2010 11:51 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

You could always flip Jimmy and Raul. Bat Jimmy 6 and Raul 7.

by Cormican on Feb 11, 2010 4:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No

he hit the ball at players last year, he should have a nice season this year

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by sports00fan00 on Feb 7, 2010 2:21 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Danny Ozark, on a Tuesday without much better to do, might move Chooch up to leadoff.

Being more a Weaver disciple myself, if I were Manuel I’d really play matchups with this wonderful offense. The WIP set and maybe players/announcers will counter-whine about “continuity,” “guys knowing their roles,” etc. I counter-argue that if the manager’s approach is consistent, the players will be able to figure without much guesswork where they’re going to bat in the course of the week. I wouldn’t go too nutty a la Ozark with too many lineup variations, but like a pitcher with his repertoire of pitches, I could see sketching out four basic variations of the lineup:

1- vs. RHP who is tough on righties
     a. (possible sub variant: with high K rate)
2. vs. garden-variety RHP
3 – vs. LHP who is tough on lefties
     a. with good control / low walk rate
     b. who may be hard to hit, but with normal or above normal walk rate
4. vs. garden-variety LHP

I group the sub-variants of 1 and 3 because they may look essentially the same, but for someone off the bench, like Mayberry, Dobbs, or Schneider.

In general, I think Manuel already does this pretty well. I bet he wanted to do it more last year but for injuries to Dobbs and long periods of suckitude from Stairs and Dobbs, and with outfielders who were pretty damn good all season long, Ibanez’s 2nd half being the exception. My hunch is he might want to get a bit more experimental this year because his core is used to him and getting older, and (touch wood) his bench looks a bit better and/or has some versatility with a guy like Polanco.

by Wet Luzinski on Feb 7, 2010 4:15 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I’d love to see Rollins get bumped from leadoff. But I think Cholly is a little too loyal and Jimmy is too entrenched in that spot at this stage of his career. We’ll see, but I’d bet against it.

Mayberry or Francisco should absolutely play instead of Raul against tough lefties.

by Governator on Feb 7, 2010 10:26 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Cholly is a little too loyal says it all. When jammed in the past on moving Mighty Mouse down in the order Cholly’s pat answer has been “Jimmy is our lead off hitter”. I just don’t se it happening.

by Steve-O- on Feb 8, 2010 12:48 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

In the end, I don’t think it matters that much. Batting order usually doesn’t make a huge difference. Plus, I think I’d put the over/under on Rollins’ OBP this year at around .340. Not great, but not horrible either. His crappy OBP last year was an anomaly.

by taco pal on Feb 8, 2010 9:00 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Only in so far as leadoff hitters typically get more at bats throughout a season than a #7 hitter would.

by Cormican on Feb 11, 2010 4:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Given that his career higher OBP is 349 and he is coming off of a 296 OBP

I’d say that’s somewhat optimistic, even with his BABIP troubles.

by benderbrodriguez on Feb 12, 2010 5:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

His five-year average coming into last season was .342. Rollins was a pretty poor hitter in his youth, but had been pretty consistently so-so in getting on base for a while until ’09. If he had posted a .300 BABIP last year (which had been his career average coming into the season), he would have had a .333 OBP. So last year would still have been a down year, but not by much.

I don’t think Rollins’ statistics from ages 21-24 are very predictive of how he’ll do in 2010. Under different circumstances, Rollins could easily have still been in the minors during those years. I think the best way to look at it is to start with his recent career averages as a baseline, and then subtract a certain amount for last year’s subpar performance and then subtract again for however much you think he’s declined because of age. I don’t think either of those subtractions should be enormous since last year’s performance was only slightly off when adjusted for BABIP and since 31 isn’t that old (although that one does concern me a bit more). I could see lowering the overunder into the .330s but not below that.

by taco pal on Feb 12, 2010 5:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Whether or not he should is a nice discussion, the more important question is going to be what is Charlie going to do. Charlie likes the players, Charlie got to the world series two years straight and Jimmy Rollins is his lead off hitter.

I remember last season he did it for one or two games, but in Charlies mind, Jimmy Rollins is a lead off hitter and I doubt anything like a poor OBP is going to change his mind

by jemagee on Feb 10, 2010 9:18 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

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