The Curse of the Wet Luzinski: Everything That Could Possibly Go Wrong for the 2010 Phillies (Act 2 - Starting Pitching)
The scene of our 5-act tragedy now shifts to the mound; specifically, the Phillies' starting pitching and the most likely seasonal fill-in suspects. In this act of my preseason homage to Debbie Downer, our hero Roy goes to a dance and spies the beautiful Maria across the gym floor, only to find out she has a brother from a rival gang.
For those who missed it, dajafi did the optimist's version on March 7. But this post hand-wrings: Are the starters peaking too soon? Hey Jets! More balletic dance-rumbling after the jump...
Roy Halladay - Asteroid. Dread disease. Getting hurt at the plate, on the bases, or just a freak injury playing catch with his kid. But really, aside from health (he ranks 4th on BP's Pitcher Abuse Points ranking, but in a second tier well below Justin Verlander), there's really nothing that would have me worry about a groundball-throwing control specialist at the top of his game, who now gets to see a couple of pitchers every game at the plate. Moving on.
Cole Hamels - One way or the other, Hamels' 2010 will either bolster the cause of sabremetric analysis or be a Joe Morgan Jeans (TM) salesman's dream (one who manages the high-margin Mental Makeup (TM) counter at the registers, perhaps). The Hamels performance conundrum of Aught-Nine may go down in analysis circles as one of the better hot stove debates, kicked off by none other than TGPer-gone-Hollywood-BP Matt Swartz here (subscription req'd). He's still 26, has had an injury history, though not recently. So after last year we've all been wondering exactly what we have in this guy: the next Steve Carlton? Or Kevin Millwood? Our ST reports have him experimenting with new pitches, given his struggles with his curveball, and also note that he came to Florida in better shape. It's worth mulling here what another enigmatic season would do to the guy, to say nothing of the team. The panic button will be pressed deeply at, say, 1-4 with a 5+ ERA, in a way that would feel different even if lightning somehow struck and Halladay got off to that kind of start. But ask yourself: Between the two of them, which guy are you confident will be better able to turn it around? Be honest.
Exactly.
I'd also be remiss not to point out that stuff like this has happened before to Hamels, albeit as a minor leaguer. There is something about his nasal voice and introspection that drives knuckle-dragging WIP acolytes and their ilk wild, so in the wrong place with the wrong drunk, a potential catastrophe awaits. Now that he's a family guy, I'd consider this scenario remote, but it is an added pressure point on a guy I assume to be fairly conscious of his image.
Joe Blanton - The man's job is to eat innings, so I ask: What happens if he can't? By which I mean not that he would be overwhelmed instead with a desire to eat cupcakes, or cookies, or krimpets, or what have you, though you can worry about that if you'd like. No, no. I mean to worry about cascading effects where a period of Blanton's ineffectiveness, or long-term injury, or both for that matter, means that his dependable 5-7 innings every time out aren't there. And it's reasonable to expect that the bullpen won't do him as many favors this year as last year.
With Blanton out of the rotation, not only are the bottom three of the Phillies' order now Happ, Moyer, Kendrick? Contreras? Carpenter? - perhaps we shine the Pedro Lamp into the night sky again? - no matter - what the Phillies really stand to lose here is more substantial than first meets the eye. And no, I am not making fat jokes here. My own experience as a manager has taught me that it's the second-tier players who are dependable but don't get the great reviews - these are precisely the ones you never get around to making a succession plan for. And oh, how you wanted to. That one time. Before, you know. Dang.
J.A. Happ - Happ had a great 2009, but the sophomore slump wouldn't have a name unless it was founded on some sort of reality. Still, there's very little not to like about his 2009, and I'm finding it a bit difficult to go very negative on the guy, other than the typical stuff - he's young, blah blah blah - but past the injury zone at 27 - so when all is said and done I just get a vibe that this guy could be serviceable for a good long time, and the Phillies might have been wise to keep him around last summer.
Before we get to starter number 5, one last point about Pitcher Abuse Points. The Phillies' top four starters are in the top 26 in baseball (Halladay 4th, Happ 19th, Hamels 21st, and Blanton 26th), and those stats are regular-season calculations. So there was some extra playoff wear-and-tear, although there was plenty of rest between games.
Jamie Moyer - In some respects, it's too easy to write about what might go wrong with Moyer. He's 47, coming off injury and surgeries with complications, and despite some lackluster overall stats (and even the nature of lackluster is somewhat debatable), he never was built to set the pitching world on fire. So I'll tip my cap to my associate taco pal and join him merely in being contrarian. Even if this is his last season, not much could really go wrong, as at this point the Phils look like they have candidates to take his spot. He's a fifth starter, so as RememberthePhitans posted recently, pick your poison, and let's see how he shakes out. We all seem agreed that his big contract was a mistake, so instead of worrying about his performance, I'll leave you to worry instead about a scenario where he wins 16-20 games and says he wants to pitch for the Phillies until he's 50. Given his contract history, in that scenario Moyer will clear $100 million in his entire career.
And, briefly, in the wings, as a whole lot of these guys could spell disaster-a-rama:
Kyle Kendrick - You have to love his imprinting exercises on Halladay, and give him credit for it. I mean - what if it were you in that situation? I'd be game for any training regimen out there. You gotta root for the guy. Then he gets the roster spot, then the starting position, and all of a sudden we're looking at 25 more starts with this guy. Is Burgess Meredith still alive to help him work out?
Antonio Bastardo - The greatest potential Phillies jersey-tee aside, so far he just seems incapable of stringing together some good results, no matter where the Phillies try to put him. It's early yet, but 2010 might not be the year.
Drew Carpenter - As Spring Training wears on, Carpenter may be the guy to grab the Designated Rookie pitcher roster spot. If you're reduced to rooting for Carpenter, as much as he loves his mom and all, something desperately wrong has happened.
Pedro Martinez - The man's still out there. Standing on top of his building in the Dominican Republic, cape flapping ever so gently in the Caribbean breeze. Wistfully staring at the night sky. Waiting.
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JA Happ's impending doom
Last year, I posted repeatedly that Happ made me really nervous. He may still avoid a big-time reversion to the mean, but I wouldn’t bet on it.
Here is my problem with Happ:
In 2009, the best starting pitcher in all of MLB with RISP (minimum 125 batters faced) held the opponents to a batting average of .158. 1 That pitcher? JA Happ. Next on the list? Matt Cain in the NL at .161. 1 The AL Leaders? Zack Greinke came in at .199. Felix Hernandez also at .199. 2
For relievers (minimum 50 IP), Mariano Rivera was at .157. 3 Others were better (Phil Hughes at .088), but Rivera illustrates the point sufficiently.
Folks, JA Happ is not Zack Greinke, Felix Hernandez, Matt Cain, or Mariano Rivera.
Add to that the largely open question of whether control of batting average with RISP is a skill or whether batting average is fully under the control of the pitcher anyway, and Happ is likely to experience more problems this year compared to last. Given BABIP issues, there will be some fluctuation even if a pitcher can control plain old BA to some degree by inducing ground balls or by striking out the opponent.
Count me firmly in the camp of skeptics that expects to see Happ have a much more mortal Opp. BA w/ RISP this year. Why? I don’t know. I just don’t see Happ as being that much more effective than EVERY OTHER STARTING PITCHER IN BASEBALL. Permanently. I’d love to be wrong, but I don’t bet with my heart. He had a career year with RISP situations. Don’t bank on it happening again this year.
Last year (2009), Happ faced 685 batters, giving up 58 walks and 149 hits. 4 As listed above, at least 125 batters were faced in RISP situations. Taking away the walked batters from batters faced, he had roughly 627 “at bats” and 149 hits allowed. That’s an average of .238 (I didn’t exclude everything — that number is a rough calculated guess – his number is actually higher). If he reverts to just that at 125 BF, he’s going to give up 10 more hits. That’s going to result in at least 10 runs, maybe more. If he performs worse with RISP than normally, it’s even worse, plus there are more men on base, etc.
Happ gave up 55 runs last year (54 earned). An additional 10 would bump him to a 3.46 ERA. I think that is generous, since I shot low on the cost of each additional hit with RISP being just 1 run. I think (but this is out and out speculation) that the cost would actually be higher — 1 out of 7 hits Happ surrenders is a home run, for instance. With RISP, or RsISP, that would result in at least 2 runs).
It could get worse, though. I described in the preceding paragraphs how an 80 point bump in opponent average could occur, as well as the likely effects. An increase of this magnitude appears to me to represent a rough but reasonable estimate of a regression to Happ’s regular BA allowed. If he gets worse (possible due to the wide fluctuations pitchers can see in average allowed with the same peripherals), he could give up far more runs.
Happ might still be able to pull off a decent 4th starter type season, but I am 95% certain that Happ will be worse in 2010 than he was in 2009. WL was far too generous to Happ in the original post. Again, don’t get me wrong…I want Happ to do well. I just don’t see an obvious reason why he will do better than last year, and I see a lot of reasons why he won’t.
The ultimate question for you Happlites out there: would you draft him for your fantasy team ahead of Felix Hernandez, Matt Cain, Zach Greinke, or Roy Halladay? If you think he can repeat his performance with Opp. BA w/ RISP, then maybe you should.
1 The Bill James Handbook 2010 at p. 436.
2 Ibid at p. 430.
3 Ibid at p. 432.
4 Ibid at p. 131.
Remember the Phitans
by RememberthePhitans on Mar 16, 2010 1:59 AM EDT reply actions
Did you fall into the vat of Ritalin brewing at the Bristol Meyers Squibb factory to write this in what an hour and a chunk of change? And you footnoted ….I’m not werthy. I couldn’t agree with you more. I am hoping some one doesn’t sprinkle some dust in the air to make the Invisi-a-ball an 88-90 mph Visa-Meatball up in the zone. Big Unit calling his slider of death Mr Snappy is great or having some off speed concoction given a nickname by other players is fine, but when it ‘s neither a sinker/two seamer but if it’s your staple straight arrow 4 seamer that you don’t throw particularly hard then I have some concern…His off speed stuff: a slurve and of course according to Phillies pitching gospel, a change-up. Good thing Charlie took him out of the Yankees game he debuted in when he did cuz they had that invisa- thing lined up by the 3rd time thru the line-up. He did an amazing job…I not trying to steal his fire, Although it is difficult if not impossible to quantify psychological elements esp. without an model created from empirical gathered data which even then wouldn’t be a pinic if at all possible, i think it’s safe to say he demonstrated alot of composure. Honestly, there were some games when I felt that the Baseball Gods were playing Icarus with Happ but unbeknowst to Happ. It looks like he could get more speed on that FB if he lengthened his stride towards the plate…it’s notably short relative to his height. I think that this is the key to the Invis-a-ball. The short stride gives hitter less time to see his release point .
I’ve been wondering since last fall (half-heartedly) how Happ did it all last year. This has been hatching for a while, and I found the BA with RISP numbers about a week ago. Just sort of a right time/right place thing.
Remember the Phitans
by RememberthePhitans on Mar 16, 2010 7:32 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think Happ will do as well as last year, since his BABIP was ridiculous. However, I also don’t think he’ll fall off the face of the earth. Like Greinke, Happ’s got a handle on advanced stats, and keeps an eye on his FIP. He knows what he controls and what he doesn’t, and worries about what he controls.
That said, looking at last year’s xFIP, Happ had a 4.49, which puts him in company with Scott Feldman, Nick Adenhart, or Mike Pelfrey. For a fourth starter, I think that’s acceptable. Not flashy, not spectacular, but something I can live with.
"When you make your final stand
I'll be right there
I'll never leave
And all I ask of you is
Believe"
Agreed - fourth starter, won't suddenly pumpkinize, but will not "beat" last year's results in 2010
I just don’t think he’ll be nearly as good as last year. ERA isn’t the best stat to use anyway, but people look at it. Happ is a 4th starter. He was well above average last year. In terms of the curse of the WL, I just think we ought to all realize that he will be a source of reduced performance from the starters, and why.
I was wondering all last year how he got the results he did. I’m still wondering. Unfortunately, I think a lot of it came down to luck that just has to change, unfortunately. I expect his HR/9, K/9, and BB/9 to stay in the same neighborhood and to get worse performance. If his peripherals decline as a result of injury or a better “book” on him (which I have no reason to believe will occur and which I did not provide for above), then the story gets worse.
As it is, if Happ just stays plain old Happ, he is going to see at least another 10 runs given up this year. That will unquestionably affect outcomes adversely during games when he pitches.
Remember the Phitans
by RememberthePhitans on Mar 16, 2010 7:31 AM EDT up reply actions
RTP, wonderful job, this is much better than my thinking on Happ. I remembered the BABIP and RISP considerations vaguely from last year but I didn’t get around to it and should have, blinded a bit by my primary consideration of durability. I’ll also cop to some post fatigue w/r/t Happ, although part of my generous thinking was along the lines of The Dark’s, viz., “for a fourth starter.” In essence, the Phils have him slotted in precisely the right spot; weaker organizations would have taken his last year and made him a #2, or if you’re more a fan of late-90s vintage Phillies baseball, a #1. He can play himself up, or down in the rotation, but #4 seems about right. Bottom line is I really like how the Phillies are managing him.
Comments from opposing batters after his more dominant games are also what stick with me. IIRC, and I don’t have time to link it now, I recall that there was a fair amount of amazement at how well and how hard he threw inside without getting too wild. That approach belies a kind of controlled aggressiveness that is a bit beyond his years, and usually trends well.
by Wet Luzinski on Mar 16, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
That was basically my thinking. If he regresses to where xFIP predicts he “should” be, than he’s a #4 starter. Looking at how “our guys” did with regards to xFIP last year (including Doc, excluding guys signed to other teams):
Halladay 3.05
Hamels 3.69
Blanton 4.07
Martinez 4.11
Happ 4.49
Lopez 4.80
Moyer 4.91
Bastardo 4.97
Carpenter 5.60
Personally, I say we resign Pedro, then do a We Three Geezers #5 platoon of Martinez/Moyer/Lopez :P
"When you make your final stand
I'll be right there
I'll never leave
And all I ask of you is
Believe"
Nick Adenhart? The dead guy?
Talk about a shortage of live arms on that list :D
"I remember being three and I wanted to be a baseball player, that's all I ever really wanted to be. That and Spider Man." -Raul Ibanez
by Jose and the Contrarians on Mar 16, 2010 8:38 AM EDT up reply actions
He won’t do any worse this year…
By the way, I’m not sure what the National League average FIP was last year, but the 2008 NL average FIP for a starter was 5.37, so Happ’s xFIP of 4.49 would actually be slightly better. The overall MLB average is usually around 4.3, but that’s for both starters and relievers, and both AL and NL.
"When you make your final stand
I'll be right there
I'll never leave
And all I ask of you is
Believe"
But now it’s really good and dead. I just thought Happ got off easy on the WL nightmare express.
It could have been shorter, to wit: “Happ only gave up .158 with RISP. That won’t happen again. He’ll be worse, but probably won’t fall off a cliff. He’s serviceable as a 4.”
Remember the Phitans
by RememberthePhitans on Mar 16, 2010 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Please no more talk about injuries we know than can happen don’t jinx halliday too.
I wasn't even a year old but I stayed up to be outside the Vet with my Dad and Mom when the Phillies won the World Series 1980.
no causation. none.
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by WholeCamels on Mar 16, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry to direct this at you
as a lot of people seem to do it. But…
It’s Halladay Not Holiday or Haliday or Holaday. We have the best pitcher in baseball, the least we could do is quit f-ing up his name. If you can reliably spell the guys name or mix him up with Matt Holiday, then just call him Doc, that is perfectly acceptable.
Sorry, that’s been annoying me for 3 months now.
by Cormican on Mar 16, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I have hand injury and very hard for me to write with pencil on a keyboard some times I mess up it is easy to go from l’s to i’ I do know how his name is spelled.
I wasn't even a year old but I stayed up to be outside the Vet with my Dad and Mom when the Phillies won the World Series 1980.
by Christopher A on Mar 16, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
is that from a middle school classroom.
I wasn't even a year old but I stayed up to be outside the Vet with my Dad and Mom when the Phillies won the World Series 1980.
by Christopher A on Mar 16, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
understand.
I wasn't even a year old but I stayed up to be outside the Vet with my Dad and Mom when the Phillies won the World Series 1980.
by Christopher A on Mar 16, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
sort of like “toolsy” and “window of opportunity”?
by Boundforbeach on Mar 16, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
WL
Another great job. Loving/hating this series of articles, well written, well thought out. Return the tiki god.
Regarding Halladay, I’m pretty confident in him too, but then, every pitcher is durable until he isn’t. It wasn’t long ago that Bartolo Colon and Freddy Garcia were considered to be two of the most durable pitchers in the sport.
/Wheels'd
Except those two are a couple of Space Cadets!
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by WholeCamels on Mar 16, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Pedro
I would really like to see Pedro some more this year. He’s just got this otherworldly vibe about him that’s part Cy Young, part Thelonious Monk, and part Dalai Lama. He’s just great theater.
Remember the Phitans
by RememberthePhitans on Mar 16, 2010 1:39 PM EDT reply actions
I agree, but at the same time, the conditions that would mean The Dark Knight Returns aren’t very good themselves.
"I remember being three and I wanted to be a baseball player, that's all I ever really wanted to be. That and Spider Man." -Raul Ibanez
by Jose and the Contrarians on Mar 16, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
agree. What I sort of like is how nicely Pedro is handling the back end of his career, essentially being a FA taxi squad quarterback. He’s smarter than the average bear, and is husbanding what is left of his arm for games and teams that count. And the Phils and Cardinals are precisely the teams I’d identify from the NL whose lineups can support him. So why not wait a half a year and see which horse is winning the race? Plus I just don’t think he cares anymore about pitching in games before July 1. It’s a curious symbiosis, and I’m half-curious to see if more of this will continue. Clemens, Pettite, Martinez… kind of took similar approaches. I’d wonder how MLB could possibly regulate any shady side deals that would lock up a player without a contract.
Mitigation: his luck last year was stunning (see BP pitching stats – LUCK), until it ran out. Phils were wise to keep away from him until absolutely needed.
by Wet Luzinski on Mar 16, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Pedro's Precipitous Drop
5 days rest, jacked on the adrenaline in the ultimate baseball theater, Yankees stadium in an elimination game of the WS to chants of "Whose’s Your Daddy, and his FB drops from 88 mph – 83mph in the the first few innings of the game….short of being an MD and one who can astral project himself in Pedro’s chest Fantasic Voyage-like that has all the signs a brachial plexus nerve entrapment or serious ligament laxity. Or some freak systemic change to his fast twitch muscle fibers that I ‘ve never heard of. If the muscle isn’t fully innerverated then it won’t fire properly and if ligaments are lax, meaning too long, there is adapative shortening of the other surrounding muscles to maintain joint integrity. In the later stituation, the shortened muscle are under tension, which means they are doing constant work to maintain tension and thus fatigue quickly when ask to perform in an athletic capacity. I think it’s the former since the lenthening of ligaments happens gradually (and I theorize is the culprit behind the Verducci Effect esp. as this damage can’t be ascertained with imagining technology) and if there had be acute trauma like a muscle tear he would have walked of the mound. Usually with prolong rest these bracial nerve issues will abate but will return under the same stress if underlying cause remains uncorrected. I don’t know if this was the case but I can say that drop in performance is not solely fatigue related…something went “fat guy in a little coat” bad. Basically while I loved having him here, that was a costly breakdown whatever the cause was, and as we are a contenting team I think it unwise to depend on him down the stretch again. Still, I was pretty bummed to see him go. I will always remember that great Mets game last year and the 3 run gem he pitched in game 2 where the bats hung him out to dry.
Speaking of which… Anyone heard any news on him? I know he is unsigned. Is he drawing no interest from anyone?
by Boundforbeach on Mar 16, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
thnx… doesn’t sound like he’s got very many options, at least at this point.
by Boundforbeach on Mar 16, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
BTW… did you see that Conlin is trying to scoop Act IV from you before it’s posted? From his column today where he boldly predicts 98 wins…
What could turn the march to 98 victories into dead men walking? The failure of Brad Lidge to return as the closer he was in 2008. The absence of a lefty relief specialist. A lineup-altering injury. In other words, a lot of the stuff the Phillies overcame in 2009, when almost everything that could go wrong did go wrong, from the poor first half by Jimmy Rollins to the slippage of Cole Hamels, the epidemic of blown saves by Lidge, the injuries to Raul Ibanez, the club’s first-half MVP. Brett Myers going down. The Park-Happ-Moyer confusion.
by Boundforbeach on Mar 16, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
ewww.
there’s no Conlin like a wet Conlin.
by Wet Luzinski on Mar 16, 2010 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions
also, I don’t think Conlin’s secret shame is reading baseball blogs, because he read one in 2002 or something and found them wanting. (Still: I would just about die of hilarity if it were.) I guess our mothers sliding flat food under the basement door doesn’t have the same vibe as Hot Pants girls milling about the pressbox.
by Wet Luzinski on Mar 16, 2010 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions
To counter any negative vibes
Good news from today’s game:
Hamels 5.0 IP, 2 H, 4 K, 0 BB, 0 ER (1 unearned run)
Bastardo 1.0 IP, 0 H, 2 K, 0 BB, 0 R
Dominic Brown went 3 for 3 with 1 BB and homered off of Justin Verlander
Ryan Howard also homered off of Verlander
Situational Irony Pitcher

"I remember being three and I wanted to be a baseball player, that's all I ever really wanted to be. That and Spider Man." -Raul Ibanez
by Jose and the Contrarians on Mar 16, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
would have been funnier if it was Cormican who did that, but still pretty funny.
by Wet Luzinski on Mar 16, 2010 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Woops – in addition to my typo, I also neglected to mention that Brown also hit a second home run (off of a lefty, no less, namely Phil Coke).
That first one was a bomb. So was Howard’s.
Remember the Phitans
by RememberthePhitans on Mar 16, 2010 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions
That was the best part of my day
Brown and Hamels …I only saw the replays but Hamels looked good and Brown what else can you say except what Charlie said,
“He hit his way right out of here”
see? so there is nothing to worry about.
by Wet Luzinski on Mar 16, 2010 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions
So are Taco Pal and WL on probationary periods? Hence the ‘associate’ title… Ala Scrubs where J.D. was the ‘Co’-Residency Manager
by Sept.28.Oct.27.Dec.28.2008 on Mar 16, 2010 7:07 PM EDT reply actions
we have to hit a quota of “billable posts” or somesuch before we make full partner, I thinks.
by Wet Luzinski on Mar 16, 2010 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Wrong
It’s all about how much money they fork over to the blog lords in the coming weeks. The more zeroes behind a non-zero number, the better.
by David S. Cohen on Mar 16, 2010 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions
We’re just soldiers in the SBN Family.
http://www.thegoodphight.com
by WholeCamels on Mar 17, 2010 6:08 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
yessir. right away sir. may I have another
sir
by Wet Luzinski on Mar 17, 2010 8:17 AM EDT up reply actions
That’s another way of looking at it. See, I always imagined TGP as a family in itself. But if instead you assume TGP is a crew, then that would make you the Capo, the other blog lords and associate blog lords soldiers, and all of us lowly regular commenters associates.
But I prefer to think of TGP as a family…because I don’t want to be in the same family as Mets fans.

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