Some Phillies Links For You, April 20, 2010: Hamels the Target, Jesus Ike - Superstar
by WholeCamels on Apr 20, 2010 8:00 AM EDT
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PrintGonzo: Hamels a marked man | Philadelphia Inquirer | 04/20/2010
Hamels is learning what the stars that came before him - McNabb and Allen Iverson, Eric Lindros and Randall Cunningham and so many others - found out a long time ago: Perception often trumps reality in Philly. How Hamels actually plays seems not to matter to a subset of fans and journalists who have already made up their minds about the pitcher. Some people are predisposed to dislike him.
What he said. Read the whole thing.
No disabled list, but Happ will miss a start | Philadelphia Daily News | 04/20/2010
Ugh.
For Phillies bullpen, a healthy Durbin ahead of the curve | Philadelphia Daily News | 04/20/2010
So what we learned is that relief pitcher performance is highly variable and fluctuates from year to year?
Cosart tosses six shutout innings for 'Claws | APP.com | Asbury Park Press
Lookin' good, Jarred.
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Phillippe Aumont pitched well, and Tyson Gillies hit a home run.
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Guys, Ike Davis is their savior. Honest to God.
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Washington Nationals: 2-4 vs. Philadelphia; 5-2 vs. the rest of the league.
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Gonzo article comments
What’s even more amazing is the lack of self awareness in the comments. The consensus seemed to be that you can’t compare the two because McNabb didn’t win a championship and Hamels did. While that’s oddly comforting, it’s also insane. They basically have held Cole to a different standard because the team won the World Series in 2008. He is given full credit. Of course, I’m sure that if the last start had a few more bleeders and the previous start had a few more line outs, he would be viewed differently since his most recent performance appeared worse.
misinterpretation
So all those turds misinterpreted Gonzo’s article, am I right? Or did I miss something? They seem to be reading it as an indictment of Hamels/McNabb, where it’s really a critical look at the fanbase/press that overly scrutinizes them, correct?
Or have I lost it?
http://www.thegoodphight.com
you got it
yes, they are not self aware enough to understand what he’s even saying. the ones that do understand are dismissive.
It’s always a bad idea to read the online comments to newspaper articles, especially Philly sports articles.
by David S. Cohen on Apr 20, 2010 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions
i’ve thought for a long time that the contest for Worst Comment Section on the Internets comes down to youtube and philly.com (at least the sports section)
NJ.com is a strong contender.
http://www.thegoodphight.com
by WholeCamels on Apr 20, 2010 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Joisey is gonna be a contender for anything having to do with “the worst”.
/cheapshot’d
by FuquaManuel on Apr 20, 2010 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions
'tis a wondrous stew of hatred
My impression is that the mere combination of Gonzales, McNabb, and Hamels created a tipping point of red capes that merely served to anger up the dyspeptic bulls.
Here, try it on this board: “Abreu. Wade. Conlin.”
by Wet Luzinski on Apr 20, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
win percentage added
what’s even more amazing is the perception that hamels was the sole reason we won the world series. obviously this would change if you looked at the whole playoffs but the win percentage added for the world series actually gives lidge the nod
lidge +.365
hamels +.360 (pitching only)
romero +.357 (pitching only)
werth +.301
bruntlett +.269
ruiz +.249
moyer +.141 (pitching only)
blanton +.109 (pitching only)
burrell +.104
howard +.103
eyre +.081
jenkins +.078
utley +.027
feliz +.002
blanton -.011 (hitting only)
romero -.021 (hitting only)
durbin -.026
moyer -.041 (hitting only)
hamels -.043 (hitting only)
coste -.092
victorino -.121
dobbs -.125
madson -.135
myers -.186
rollins -.245
we won 4-1 so our win percentage added for the series was +1.500, and hamels pitching was only +0.360 and his combined pitching and hitting was +.317. he was probably the most important when you take the whole playoffs together but he’s only a fraction of what happened that october.
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by RememberthePhitans on Apr 20, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Yankees fan here...
The Cole Hamels love/hate thing confuses me.
I live in South Jersey so I’m always around Phils fans, and I don’t understand why everyone hates on the guy. A close friend of mine was talking about how he wished the Phils never got Hamels and I was confused.
Is there anyone who still believes he can be an ace?
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by Gelatin on Apr 20, 2010 9:25 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
anyone with a brain
would tell you that hamels is a very good pitcher.
by jamiethekiller on Apr 20, 2010 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Thats how ive always felt.
Don’t get me wrong, his personality seems better suited for ballet or opera, but the dude can pitch.
Sucks what happened to Lidge. Everyone around here worshipped him after ’08, and now they all want him gone.
Jamie Moyer is another story…
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by Gelatin on Apr 20, 2010 9:46 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Moyer's mostly just age finally catching up to the Dick Clark of baseball
He is what he is – about a 4.4 FIP, 5 Ks and 2 or 3 BBs per 9, about a 1.3 or 1.4 WHIP. He’s not spectacular, never has been, never will be, but as a 4 or 5, he’s a mostly solid innings-eater who is more effective against young players who aren’t used to a junk pitcher. If his control is off, he’s going to have a bad outing, moreso than a power pitcher, but if his control’s on, he becomes very hard to hit effectively.
Currently, his stats look horrible due to small sample size – his IFH% is triple his career average, his IFB% is half average, and his HR/FB% is double average.
"When you make your final stand
I'll be right there
I'll never leave
And all I ask of you is
Believe"
Fair enough.
I’ve always thought he was just an old fart who should’ve retired after ’08.
Not that I have any room to talk, considering I have faith in Javy and half the baseball world is ready to torch him.
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by Gelatin on Apr 20, 2010 11:00 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
vazquez
I think Javy’s gonna be a’ight; this idea that the blue pinstripes are some kind of Kryptonite to him is the height of idiocy and narcissistic fandom.
http://www.thegoodphight.com
by WholeCamels on Apr 20, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Javy think's he's just a bit tight
He said he’s going to try to slow down on the mound and stop rushing things.
"When you make your final stand
I'll be right there
I'll never leave
And all I ask of you is
Believe"
Give him back and you can have Derek Lowe instead.
Here are Pujols's stats: 1.000/1.000/4.000/5.000. That's right. He is batting a thousand, with a thousand OBP (naturally), and every hit has been a home run, and thus his OPS is a perfect 5.000.
by TradeAndruw on Apr 20, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Hyatt had a good game in Clearwater too. Looks like it was a good night all-around for Phillies SP prospects.
Hyatt is such a weird “prospect.” They really need to move him aggressively, I think. He’s mad old.
http://www.thegoodphight.com
by WholeCamels on Apr 20, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, he’s 23. (DOB = 5/23/86.) But if he gets promoted to Reading sometime this year and pitches well there, he’ll be in OK shape.
I think that’s my whole thing; if he has a couple more solid starts in A-ball, move him to Reading. Pitchers with his borderline stuff have to be in the “sink or swim” program.
http://www.thegoodphight.com
by WholeCamels on Apr 20, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree 23 and in single A…shit or get off the pot. Baseball is bad enough as it is with developing talent. At this rate he’ll be what 26 or 27 if he makes it. That’s a waste of an athelete’s most physiological viable years.
If he keeps dominating in Clearwater — say, for another month — then he should definitely move to Reading.
I wouldn’t worry too much about the age thing, though. There’s a chance he’s just carving up younger guys with command of offspeed stuff, but generally speaking, good stuff is good stuff at any level. If he’s really bumped his velocity into the low 90s (which was the report last year; I haven’t heard anything since), then the Phils could be onto something.
Cosart
The article does no justice to simply how dominant he was last night. I was there, and according to my scorecard, there was only one man in scoring position for the grasshoppers through the first 6 innings and that was the result of a steal(!).
"I remember being three and I wanted to be a baseball player, that's all I ever really wanted to be. That and Spider Man." -Raul Ibanez
by Jose and the Contrarians on Apr 20, 2010 1:52 PM EDT reply actions
awesome
Can you tell us more about it? The worst part about tracking the minors is relative lack of eyewitness reports.
http://www.thegoodphight.com
Well, the problem from where I was sitting was the right handers blocked most of the plate. However, Cosart’s speed is no joke, kid was hitting 95-96 on the gun consistently, and was still around 91-93 by the end of the night. The curve was sitting around 77 (seriously, the mascot kept screwing with the gun, which was incredibly annoying) and seemed to have a lot of horizontal movement on it, though it seems to lack some control, he threw several for strikes.
The other person I was paying attention to was Domingo Santana who went 0-1 with a strikeout and two walks. His plate discipline seemed excellent, even if he wasn’t hitting the ball. Kid has some great speed and he’s scary big for a 17 year-old. I am most intrigued by him.
For another observation, Anthony Hewitt looks really rough at the plate going 0-4 with 3 Ks and a ground out. His plate discipline really looks ugly although the swings themselves weren’t very ugly from what I could see.
Next time I go out to Lakewood, I’ll make sure to bring a radar gun and a notepad.
"I remember being three and I wanted to be a baseball player, that's all I ever really wanted to be. That and Spider Man." -Raul Ibanez
by Jose and the Contrarians on Apr 20, 2010 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions
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