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A Thursday Quiz: A Little Perspective for Phillies Fans

Two shutouts in a row against the Mets?  No runs in 38 of the last 39 innings?  Injuries to key players?  Horrible base running?  Front page sport section space being stolen by hockey?  HOCKEY?!?!

Yes, it's bad right now.

Or maybe that's just how it seems.  Here's a Thursday morning quiz to try to put things in perspective for you:

1.  Which Major League team has the second-largest division lead?
A.  Tampa Bay Rays
B.  Philadelphia Phillies
C.  Baltimore Orioles

2.  Which National League team has the second-best winning percentage in the league?
A.  Washington Nationals
B.  San Diego Padres
C.  Philadelphia Phillies

3.  Which team has the best run-differential in the National League?
A.  Pittsburgh Pirates
B.  Philadelphia Phillies
C.  San Diego Padres

4.  Which Phillies team had the worst 8 game scoring total in the past 3 seasons?
A.  The World Series Champion 2008 Phillies
B.  The NL Champion 2009 Phillies
C.  The sorry no-offense can't-even-score-against-the-Mets 2010 Phillies

5.  In what year did Ryan Howard have his worst OPS through May 26?
A.  World Series Champion 2008 Ryan Howard
B.  NL Champion 2009 Ryan Howard
C.  Unclutch sloth 2010 Ryan Howard

6.  In what year did the Phillies have their best record through 45 games?
A.  That amazing 2008 team
B.  The inspiring 2009 team
C.  The 2010 team that takes second-seat to Flyers news

7.  In what year did the Phillies have their best average division-ranking through 45 games?
A.  World Fucking Champions 2008 Phillies
B.  Almost-the-best 2009 Phillies
C.  The atrocious 2010 Phillies

8.  In which year did the Phillies give up the least runs to their opponents through 45 games?
A.  Our saviors, the 2008 Phillies
B.  The most recent Phillies winners, the 2009 Phillies
C.  The team that can't hit, field, pitch, or run, the 2010 Phillies

Answers below the fold:

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1.  B.  At 2.5 games, the Phillies have the second-best division league in all of baseball.  The Rays have the best lead, at 3.5 games over the Yankees.  All other first-place teams are within 2 games or less of the second-place team.  The sorry Orioles are the worst, at 17 games back.

2.  C.  The Phillies have the second-best winning percentage in the NL, at .578.  The Padres are first at .600, and the Nationals are surprisingly respectable, at .511.

3.  B and C.  Both the Padres and the Phillies have scored 46 more runs than they have given up, the best run-differential in the NL.  The Pirates, on the other hand, have the worst, having given up 114 more runs than they have scored.

4.  B.  The 2009 Phillies scored just 13 runs from August 27 through September 4.  That's 2 fewer runs than the 2010 Phillies have scored in the past 8 games.  The current Phillies' offensive futility was matched by the World Series champs in 2008 from June 17 through June 26 (all interleague play games).

5.  A.  Through May 26, 2008, World Champ Ryan Howard had a .784 OPS (.207/.313/.472).  In 2009, he had his best start through May 26, hitting .257/.335/.537 for an .872 OPS.  This year, he sits comfortably in the middle, at .296/.345/.473 for an .818 OPS.

6.  C.  The current Phillies are 26-19 through 45 games.  The World Champion Phillies were 24-21.  Last year's NL Champs were 25-20.

7.  C.  The current Phillies have been in first place for all but 4 games this year, averaging 1.11 for their ranking through 45 games.  The World Champs were in first place for only 8 games in the first 45, averaging a ranking of 2.33.  Last year's NL Champs were in first place for 12 games in the first 45, averaging a ranking of 2.29.

8.  C.  The current Phillies have given up only 181 runs in the first 45 games.  The World Champs gave up 202 in the first 45 games, while last year's NL Champs gave up a whopping 233.

So what does this tell us?  Surely I'm not arguing that the Phillies are playing good baseball right now nor that they shouldn't figure out what they might be doing that needs improving.

But, it's also just as certain that the team is doing pretty well this season.  The current streak should not make us forget that.

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Yeah but THE SKY IS FALLING! RUN FOR THE HILLS!

But seriously, this is obviously correct and needed to be said.

by taco pal on May 27, 2010 11:46 AM EDT reply actions  

The sky IS falling. We’ve fallen all the way to No. 6 in SI’s MLB power rankings. The Horror….

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/joe_lemire/05/27/power.rankings.1/index.html?eref=sihp

by Boundforbeach on May 27, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes…. thank-you for the perspective— it helps to think that the team will turn it around, will be ok, and is in some ways better than the team that won the World Series. It is hard, when things are going bad to remember that things are still, actually, really good— when you are staring at 4 big awful losses, it is hard to pull out and see the season…. thanks for making me smile (Although I am still running for the hills… it is easier to see the forest there!)

by dannijd on May 27, 2010 11:52 AM EDT reply actions  

P.S. As bad as the Phillies are playing right now, I am thankful that the Flyers are around to distract people— hopefully by the time the Stanley Cup madness is over, the Phillies have righted the ship, and casual Phillies phans only have bleary memories of the great slump of 2010.

by dannijd on May 27, 2010 11:55 AM EDT reply actions  

Number 3

Pirates!

Formerly Bye, Dawk :(

by JimmyK on May 27, 2010 12:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Only if they lose a crapton of games by one run and win a single game by the score of 742-0

Honor is no substitute for victory.

by The Dark on May 27, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is it bonus runs for them if the team they beat by that score is the Phillies?

by dannijd on May 27, 2010 12:21 PM EDT reply actions  

In what Act of WL’s play did he predict the bats would inexplicably silence?

by Boundforbeach on May 27, 2010 3:17 PM EDT reply actions  

there isn’t much too predict – it’s a week early than it has been the past two years but it has the looks of the typical 15 game span slump.

by j reed on May 27, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe it’s earlier this year because of global climate change.

by taco pal on May 27, 2010 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

In 2008, it was a 2-12 slump (June 14 – June 27)

In 2009, it was a 4-14 slump (June 12 – July 2)

This year, 6-16? Let’s hope not.

by taco pal on May 27, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

In 2008, it was a 2-12 slump (June 14 – June 27)
In 2009, it was a 4-14 slump (June 12 – July 2)

Given you have the for the most part the same personnel and the same manager, it pretty hard to dismiss as coinincidence. That the length of the interval is similar and it occurs around the same time sounds like they are experiencing adrenal fatigue. Alot uninspired play that I see in baseball is fatigue driven. The sport other than pitchers and catchers to a degree doesn’t tax its players aerobically or anaerobically but causes primarily causes adrenal fatigue. Baseball is a speed/technical sport and so places a premium on the adrenal system. Speed, coordination, and agility are the most neurologically complex aspects of athletic activity and therefore require the most from nevous system. Neurotransmitters like norepinephrine and neurohormones like epinephrine drive this – they are necessary for muscle to perform explosive movements. Because the game doesn’t require alot of endurance (muscular and aerobic) for position players (except for catchers) and their load (# of swings, catches, distances ran on base paths) is rather small for 1 game, it is possible to play just about everday . However the body must recover that with it spent. This expenditure includes the various neurochemicals as well as repairing the mircotramua to muscles caused by batting and throwing which are both considered plyometric activities. Plyometrics include ‘’any exercise in which muscles are repeatedly and rapidly stretched (“loaded”) and then contracted.’’ It is therefore a speed/strength activity and strength training, in addition to causing mirco-tearing of muscles is 3rd on the list of the athletic activities/attributes that place the most demand on the adrenal system. An additional strain on this system is playing in a hyperaroused state 6 days a week. Much like any high level of atheletic competetion, baseball requires intense focus which the game’s technical precision, and hypervigilant antcipation only augments. And let’s not forget the charge from the theatricality of the coliseum – they are entertainers to a certain degree. Over a month’s time the body’s production cannot keep pace with the daily expenditure quickly enough and adrenal fatigue sets in. This can manifest in several ways: slower perception speed (how quickly the stimulus is recognized ), slower reaction speed (how quickly the body reacts to the stimulus), bad decision making, and impaired coordination and techical breakdowns (body cannot properly coordinate multiple moving parts becuse of signal degradation). So, given baseball’s level of precision, you can see how this might translate into poor play if only a few hundreds of a second or a few inches is the difference between success and failure. The trick is to seperate it from the inherent variance of the game. But their are plenty of signs: abnormal numbers of errors, long and/or late swings, ugly whiffs, absent mindedness (particularily on the basepaths), indecison (double clutching), listlessness, poor attention to details, labored breathing, dark rings under the eyes. If you see enough of these things together chances are the player needs rest.

by j reed on May 27, 2010 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Whoops
The sport other than pitchers and catchers to a degree doesn’t tax its players aerobically or anaerobically but causes primarily causes adrenal fatigue.

should read

The sport other than pitchers and catchers to a degree doesn’t tax its players aerobically or anaerobically but primarily causes adrenal fatigue.

by j reed on May 27, 2010 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe I missed it in your long post, which was certainly interesting, but if this is a problem with fatigue, wouldn’t all teams face this a certain point into the season, so the Phillies wouldn’t be at a disadvantage at that point? Or is your point a) the Phillies don’t manage it well or b) it’s going to happen to every team at a different point and then the team will go into a slump compared to the other teams who aren’t going through it?

by David S. Cohen on May 27, 2010 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Position players seem to get days off more often on certain teams than they do on the Phillies, which would presumably allow for better recovery from adrenal fatigue. I don’t have any numbers, and it’s gut feeling rather than something that I can explicitly demonstrate, but if it is true, it could explain the difference.

Honor is no substitute for victory.

by The Dark on May 27, 2010 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was about to make the same observation – I don’t see a logical reason why the Phillies should feel these effects as a group while the other teams they are playing at the same stage of the season do not. Each year there have been different players out for injuries at the beginning of the season. Perhaps the year-to-year similarity is really just a coincidence that happens at approximately the same time each year. On the bright side, there is nothing about an early season hitting slump to prevent a team from having a good season and eventually succeeding in the postseason. Witness the last two years’ results and the fact that the last time the team was shut out three games in a row was in 1983.

by phillyinportland on May 28, 2010 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

The point I suppose is to say that they are other forces at work than merely variance. Not to downplay variance in the game but to attribute this Phillies phenomenon to coincidence seems easy. The extent to which it effects other teams is hard to say as I feel the best way to determine this is by observation and that comes with alot of familiarity with your team. For the most part the Phillies are still the same personnel wise and they all uphold Manuel’s hitting philosphy at the dish. They practice the same way, have all have similar work loads and their circadian rhythms are on the same scheledule so it is reasonable to hypothesize that a portion of players can experience adrenal fatigue within intervals close enough together to account for the differiental between varing degrees of fatigue according to each players unique body chemistry . Baseball, because of the everday play is unique so no speed/technical model is a perfect fit . It is however a speed/technical sport such that variance does not exempt it from the the same rules that govern other athletic endeavours and thus to assume a viable dynamic between poor performance and adrenal fatigue is reasonable. But fatigue is physiological phenomenon that is inherently complex without clear cut, easily defined intervals and boundaries so conclusions drawn by performance metrics alone would be suspect – not necessarily wrong but not necessarily right. Your form would be logically false (committing McNamara Fallacy), but you might get lucky and your conclusions may be factually true. Instead I believe you need actual physiological data to develop a model that in turn is compared to performance metrics to see if their is any correlation Or, perhaps you could employ more Bayesian statisitical methods but that data requirement might be huge with all the conditional probilities invovled. And most likely the data would not be symmetrical and so would require a logarthimic regression. I do feel however that it is a reason along with variance for why players slump and stay in them for long stretches, esp. power hitters. As to how it affects other teams, it’s hard to say due to the difficulty in measuring it but over a six month season every team will undergo it to a degree but may navigate out of it better by resting players more frequently or adjusting their games. There is also the issue of when the benefits off season preperation may wear off because baseball’s scheledule prohibits proper maintainence of the gains made from said training. Example: any benefits you gain from sub maximal to maximal strength training will last for 6 weeks unless maintained with the same workout at least once week with similar load and intensity. So there is also that to take into consideration. I could go on and on. I think my point was to say their is another dynamic (one founded on sports science) behind these slumps other than just variance and we can’t simply write them off as chance or regression noise because we lack the means to measure it or accurately define its parameters by the data available to us.

by j reed on May 28, 2010 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

What you have written on this subject makes some sense, but leads to a pair of questions from me that kind of dovetail with what others have said. Firstly, if the problem is adrenal fatigue, why have the Phillies pulled out of the slump almost like it never happened the past two years— that I remember there were no prolonged, starters wide benchings during the June slumps the last two years that would have allowed them to catch their breaths, yet they seemed to pull out of it and be fine, in fact better than fine— great???

Secondly, if this fatigue were the problem, wouldn’t you expect it to appear multiple times over the course of the season? While it seems like we find one heck of a briar patch each June (did we also hit it in 2007 and earlier?), one would expect fatigue to hit several times over the course of the season.

by dannijd on May 28, 2010 1:20 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Firstly, if the problem is adrenal fatigue, why have the Phillies pulled out of the slump almost like it never happened the past two years

  If you don’t recover from it then you probably have Addisons Disease (bad) or maybe you had the mitochondria disorder that Rocco Baldeli suffers from. Or your dead. It’s not like the body stops producing these neurochemicals , it just can’t keep up with the demands the athlete requires over a period of time. Your body has a resting state (homeostatis) that won’t permit you to use what it needs to its perform basic housekeeping to keep you alive. So your body will hold out on you. That why players took greenies to override those those safeguards when their ten gallon hat was feeling 5 gallons low. And remember it combination of things not just adrendal fatigue. It is just a possible element of a slump. It doesn’t mean that players suffer from bad luck or don’t get lucky during these stretches. Or just do some stupid as shit like Ibanez did last night. Or get out played by the opposition. Or happen to get a good match-up.

by j reed on May 28, 2010 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

I knew I should be blaming him for something.

Did the last act ever go up?

by Cormican on May 27, 2010 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

1) BIGPELF
2) BIGPELF
3) BIGPELF
4) BIGPELF
5) BIGPELF
6) BIGPELF
7) BIGPELF
8) BIGPELF

by vfb on May 27, 2010 4:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah I’m a little lost on this one as well

"I tried to run him over but Eli had his big boy pads on and he kind of stopped me from getting in the end zone. The next time I’ll try to jump over his head.’’ - Asante Samuel

by foos05 on May 27, 2010 4:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I have to say, the BIG PELF thing really cracks me up. Can that appear in any headline about him all season, please?

by zfg on May 27, 2010 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

here is hoping hamels can stop the bleading, he has pitched really well as of late

by PhilsForever on May 27, 2010 4:53 PM EDT reply actions  

It isn’t so much on Hamels to stop the bleeding, as it is on the lineup to start inflicting some bleeding.

by taco pal on May 27, 2010 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can’t do it alone… actually… he is the best hitting pitcher on the team— go for the homer Cole!!!!!

by dannijd on May 27, 2010 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought Joltin’ Joe Blanton was our home run hitting pitcher…

Honor is no substitute for victory.

by The Dark on May 27, 2010 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

If any pitcher blasts one out that park they should get 2 runs for it.

by j reed on May 27, 2010 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

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