A Boston Massacre: Red Sox 12, Phillies 2
Give the Phillies credit: right now they don't break script. The combination of interleague play, at which they stunk even when they were otherwise tremendous; Jamie Moyer pitching at Fenway Park against a Red Sox lineup that's nothing if not patient; and a Phillies offense that's ranged from comatose to dead for the better part of a month now, all augured that the team would endure a hellacious ass-kicking, and indeed that's what came to pass.
Moyer allowed five runs in a 41 pitch first inning, surrendered three more without recording an out in the second, and that was pretty much that. The Phils avoided getting shut out for the second straight night and eighth time this season, scoring twice off Boston's John Lackey. Charlie Manuel lifted a bunch of his lineup regulars before the game was half over. Kyle Kendrick pitched in relief. And the team fell into third place, behind the Mets.
If this embarrassment doesn't shake the team out of its lethargy, it is difficult to imagine what will.
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Well, 2008 and 2009 were fun.
This is officially the beginning of the end for this generation of Phillies.
The rest of the 2010 season will be long and exceptionally painful.
It certainly doesn’t feel like 2010 is going to be a great year. But I’m not ready to say that “it’s over.” There’s still a lot of talent on the roster and the organization has resources.
My biggest concern honestly is that decisions around guys like Castro and Baez and the second Lee trade—not to mention the Ibanez overpay and the deeply painful Howard extension—say more about who Amaro really is as a GM than, say, the first Lee trade and the reasonable deals for Victorino and (early ‘10 results notwithstanding) Blanton. If that’s the case, the organization could be headed for another long spell wandering in the desert.
Yeah, Amaro might have fucked up big time.
by FuquaManuel on Jun 11, 2010 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions
My biggest concern honestly is that decisions around guys like Castro and Baez and the second Lee trade—not to mention the Ibanez overpay and the deeply painful Howard extension—say more about who Amaro really is as a GM than, say, the first Lee trade and the reasonable deals for Victorino and (early ‘10 results notwithstanding) Blanton. If that’s the case, the organization could be headed for another long spell wandering in the desert.
Yes, I just highlighted the entire paragraph — because it’s the (really scary) big picture.
Seriously. I was at this game tonight, and all you needed to do was look around the diamond to see all sorts of Amaro fail: Dobbs’ continued rostering, the guaranteed deal given to Castro, an eight-figure deal for a 46-year old pitcher… it was depressing.
I obviously hope they bounce out of it, but I think we can all agree that we’re past the pinnacle of this Phillies core, and no amount of Halladay can make up for that fact. Scary to think how Amaro deals with this.
by PhillyFriar on Jun 12, 2010 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions
I said it 3 weeks ago, and now it feels all the more true.
Vaya con Dios Phillies… Thanks for three very good seasons, two of which were amazing beyond my understanding. It has been a phenominal ride, but four trips to the playoffs in as many years was too much to ask. I do not understand why you are performing in this awful way, but it is time to stand in the cold darkness that is the night of an ass whooping, and declare your playoff aspirations dead— you are behind, and with the schedule in front of you, only a miracle would prevent it from getting worse. So I am putting your season out of it’s misery. I will still watch, as I am too much a phan not to… But I expect nothing from you— not runs, and certainly not winning— I do not know where your rudder got lost, but it is gone… And it is time I owned up to that fact and watched you as I watched you before the last 3 years… They were a fairy tale— but now it is midnight, and you have turned into a pumpkin
by dannijd on Jun 11, 2010 11:29 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Seriously?
Dude! It’s JUNE!!! There are over 100 games remaining! They’re only 2.5 games out!
Yeah, they seem to suck lately, but all this crap about “declare your playoff aspirations dead,” well, that’s all it is: crap.
Unfortunately their play on a daily basis seems to prove the validity of my statements. Do I want it to be true??? No… And if it isn’t, I will gladly eat my words… I have heard they go real well with beer and pretzels. But right now this team is losing in ways that I could not have contemplated happening here this year (but then again, my grandfather used to call this team the strongest team in the league— you have to be very strong to hold everyone else in the league up, so I should be used to this behavior… I let the winning get my defenses down) I want desperately… I want to sneak into the breakroom to check the score to see how many runs we have scored, not to find out that it is the second inning and our pitcher has given up 6 runs. But, each passing game just tells me that April and early May were an illusion… A mirage that has disappeared with the setting sun.
by dannijd on Jun 13, 2010 9:02 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm not ready...
…to call the season a lost cause just yet. We haven’t even reached the All-Star Break yet. But dammit, SOMETHING needs to be done with this team!!!
I didn't want to write the eulogy for this season
But I do not know what there is to do— we can’t hit, and now we are stick spending the next 3 weeks in interleague hell…I do not see a fix for this team…
by dannijd on Jun 11, 2010 11:44 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
More to the point we can not score.
by dannijd on Jun 11, 2010 11:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
make you really wonder about the sign stealing incident
was that a large part of the Phillie’s success?
12-2 before it, barely .400 afterwards
Nope— even before the incident this team had run hot and cold, going through a slide to end April. Plus I just do not think that it explains all of the hitting problems.
by dannijd on Jun 12, 2010 12:24 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
It isnt fair really though, the mets get to go to baltimore and we have to face boston in boston? It just does not seem right. I don’t know if moyer was tipping his pitches, but the red sox were certainly hitting everything he had to offer, even the stuff off the plate. I don’t blame manuel for pulling the guys, werth’s 2 for 2 start was encouraging though, and howard does have a nine game hitting streak. I can’t give up on this team yet. There is no reason this core is done. It just does not make sense. They are not very old, most of them, and the team did not change much from last year. I refuse to believe it until the team is officially out of the playoff picture.
Yes… But is that hope I see, or the headlamp of an oncoming train?
by dannijd on Jun 12, 2010 9:24 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Losing yes, losing so badly that I would tell my friend in NH that her boys were going to win the game 26-0 (my original theory for the entire weekend’s scoring) and that I would be glad and relieved when my mother drug me to a restaurant that was not showing the game and did not have phone reception for me to use atbat, no— there are losses and there are losses, and this one (while related in large part to really atrocious pitching early) feels like a punch in the gut.
by dannijd on Jun 12, 2010 10:24 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
During this wretched stretch, I’ve stopped agonizing about being too cheap to pay for cable so that I can see more of this team. Now I just agonize over the team. Hope it at least becomes a bit more bearable…
by JohnIrvinKennedy on Jun 12, 2010 10:17 AM EDT reply actions
I'm really sorry about that...
I owe all of you an apology. That wasn’t the real Jamie Moyer out there last night. That was actually my grandfather in a Jamie Moyer suit. It was a bet that any old guy can pitch as well as Moyer, but we forgot to account for the fact that Gramps has two artificial knees, a hearing aid, and he’s been dead for ten years.
by Jonathan Werner on Jun 12, 2010 1:21 PM EDT reply actions
Lol… So did your grandfather at least enjoy his time impersonating a pitcher???
by dannijd on Jun 12, 2010 1:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah…we are going to let him do it again in Boston again, except this time he will be impersonating Tim Wakefield.
by Jonathan Werner on Jun 12, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Cool… Maybe I will even be able to enjoy that one! (How is his knuckleball?)
by dannijd on Jun 12, 2010 2:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah…we are going to let him do it again in Boston again, except this time he will be impersonating Tim Wakefield.
by Jonathan Werner on Jun 12, 2010 1:35 PM EDT reply actions
An attempt at both humor and an explanation of how Moyer went from good to awful— another poster said that it was not in fact Moyer that pitched that gem last night), but his dead grandfather in a Jamie Moyer costume…
by dannijd on Jun 12, 2010 2:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Conspiracy theory?
I want to see how the team reacts to the butt whipping of last night. After watching another feeble start to a game (man on second with one out, zero runs) maybe Moyer decided to give the team a wakeup call by showing them what it’s like to actually hit the ball and score runs. Jamie Moyer certainly knows the Red Sox and Fenway. Giving up 9 hits and a walk to 13 batters is virtually impossible unless you’re trying to get hit! You can’t tell me that the same guy who finished off the Padres in under 100 pitches can’t get more than three outs with 60 pitches in Boston. (Or maybe it was Jamie’s grandfather out there.)
One other thing about giving up on the season. Today is the anniversary of the start of the worst three-week stretch of the 2009 season, the 4-14 period that had many questioning whether the team had a chance of any success in the postseason IF they made it that far. In retrospect it may not have seemed as bad at the end of that time as it is today because the team stayed in first place the entire time. But by July 2nd the Marlins were tied with the Phillies, and the Mets and Braves were 1.0 and 2.0 games behind. It was too early then to write the team off and it’s too early now to say it’s over for 2010. There’s lots of baseball to be played.
by phillyinportland on Jun 12, 2010 3:37 PM EDT reply actions
I didn't want to use my life line but it might be time to call Kowalski

Need the god damn L.E.M – R. Losing Emergency Manuel Resuscitation

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