A Win! Phillies 6, Yankees 3
by David S. Cohen on Jun 16, 2010 10:47 PM EDT
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PrintThis is a funny game. Roy Halladay is blown out by the Yankees one night. The next night, Jamie Moyer, he of the line of 9 runs in 1 inning last time out, shuts down the same team.
And by "shuts down," I mean totally dominated. In 8 innings, Moyer allowed 3 hits and 1 walk, striking out 5. The Yankees were helpless against him. The only two runs he allowed were solo homers to Robinson Cano and Jorge Posada. Brad Lidge came in in the ninth and struggled. He got 2 strikes on each of his last four batters, but couldn't put Mark Teixiera, Alex Rodriguez, and Robinson Cano away, allowing each to reach base and a run to score. Manuel left him in there to face Posada, who also got to two strikes, but eventually struck out on a nasty slider.
The Phillies offense showed up for the game, although still not in high powered form. The team knocked out six hits for six runs, with Shane Victorino providing a bases-loaded triple and Ryan Howard and Jayson Werth each hitting solo shots.
We'll take anything at this point, so I'll say this is a sign of good things to come. Right?
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Well this is awkward...
Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us. - C&H
by alcatraz0109 on Jun 16, 2010 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Fucking hilarious. These Yankees fans are a really sickening bunch.
I wish the SBNation blogs could all vote to expel Pinstripe Alley from the network.
by FuquaManuel on Jun 16, 2010 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I found the early commentary (particularly the age related moyer jokes) hillarious
by dannijd on Jun 17, 2010 12:04 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Any day you get a Phillies win and Yankees fans eating their own words, it’s a good day. So, apparently I need to drink 2 glasses of wine before every Phillies game to appease the godz…gotta do my part.
"Tortorella’s got it all wrong ... Gaborik shouldn’t be messing with our skilled player." -Peter Luukko
Well, I sure got this wrong.
Jamie Moyer shut the Yankees down tonight, allowing only 4 baserunners over 8 innings. It must have been the 82 MPH fastball that gave the Yankees problems.
AJ Burnett had better stuff but couldn’t locate any of it, surrendering 6 runs on 6 hits and 4 walks in 3 1/3 innings.
Assholes. Who gives a shit if AJ Burnett had “better stuff”? Burnett has better stuff than 99% of the pitchers in baseball, and there’s a reason he’s consistently underachieved.
Grrr, that attitude bugs me.
Doesn’t bug me at all. Makes me smile.
by David S. Cohen on Jun 17, 2010 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions
I hear you on that specific attitude. It’s as if the Yankees are so tremendously good that only quirks of fate can explain why they lose. Focusing on Moyer’s fastball instead of his intelligence as a pitcher really points to the weird pissing contest vibe they have.
It’s a bit more than that. If the only reason why they believed their team was so good was because of their opinion of its talent level as such, then that wouldn’t be so annoying. Maybe they would be wrong about that or biased, but whatever – it would still just be a straight factual debate. What’s annoying is that they believe the talent level of their team is high, not from their independent evaluation of the players on the field, but because they think their organization deserves to have so much talent.
Just remember what Fuqua said earlier this week— the World Series trophy is currently spending time in its rightful home. I almost feel like the difference between New York fans and Philadelphia fans is that they expect to win, and can not comprehend any other result, and we truly enjoy winning, as it is not simply considered a part of who we are. When you go 28 years without winning the World Series, and fifteen without winning a playoff game, it makes you more grateful for what you get. I remember how elated I was when the Phillies won the series. I doubt anyone in the Evil Empire’s fanbase felt that way when they won.
Riiiiight, no yankee fans were happy when they won the World Series.
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
by CasanovaWong on Jun 17, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
It is not about happiness— it is more about happiness at an event you expect to occur (as I believe fans of the Evil Empire expect to win it all) and happiness mixed with complete shock (I almost fell over when Lidge struck out the final batter to end the ’08 Series.
You seem to have a deep and abiding pessimism for all things Phillies, which strikes me as odd. I know you cite the 28 years between WS victories and 15 years between wins, but wasn’t it just yesterday you said you were too young to really remember Bobby Abreu’s playing career? He last played here only a year before the Phillies first recent playoff trip. So if you weren’t really following the Phillies closely before 2006, what do you know of the Phillies phutility over the years?
(Full disclosure: I’ve only been a phan since 2001, and only followed the team closely since 2003. But I’ve followed extremely closely during those seven-plus years; I remember well the disappointment of building pre-season favorites that underachieved for several years running, but I have no recollection of the terrible teams of the mid-’80s through late ’90s that scarred the psyches of many of the 30-something phans here.)
I am generally a sports pessimist… and slumps make it worse. However, my grasp of Phillies futility came from being raised by a grandfather who suffered through the phutility of the mid 80’s through his death in 1996— while I did not get attached (largely because the only version of the Phillies that I knew outside of ’93 was miserably bad— often mixed with hope and optimism at the beginning of the season that always ended the same way. So, while I came to love baseball and the team, I do not have optimism for them— Since outside of these past couple of years, all that I know of them is losing, I always am a little bit skeptical of their ability to sustain success.
Still doesn’t answer how you could follow the team and not know who Bobby Abreu is. He was practically our best player for several years.
Got into football and abandoned closely following baseball for a period of years… slowly got back into it in law school (‘03-’06), but as a much more casual fan (and following the Red Sox (who are still my adopted AL team) more than anything else. The Phillies were still my team to an extent, but I had come to a point where I expected nothing of them but early season optimism and late season falling short, and while I followed the team to an extent, it was not to the point where I formed an opinion on Abreu (I knew that he was an outfielder for the Phillies that got traded away, but not enough to decide whether I agreed with how the broadcasters, etc. felt about him).
Burnett was all over the damn place. Better stuff doesn’t do squat for you if you are using it to walk and hit people who are in a hellacious slump. But whatevs.
by Wet Luzinski on Jun 17, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't get it.
Roy Halladay, he of the 2.84 ERA career against the Yankees, looks awful the previous night, gives up multiple runs, and loses the game.
Jamie Moyer, arguably the weakest link in the pitching lineup, looks like Nolan Ryan out there the second night against one of the best hitting teams in the AL, and wins the game.
I can’t wrap my mind around this. Are we living in the Bizarro World?
Well, you are wrong about Moyer being “arguably the weakest link in the pitching lineup”. He’s actually the third strongest.
by FuquaManuel on Jun 16, 2010 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions
On this we can agree. Cookies has sucked on ice. But he has also endured some bad luck. Even without the bad luck, however, he has been pretty bad thanks to his plummeting K-rate and his inability to keep the ball on the ground.
In the long run I’d still take fatty, but in the short run it’s like choosing between having one’s finger nails removed one by one or being waterboarded.
by FuquaManuel on Jun 17, 2010 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions
No… In the short run, it is the difference between taking the one that I know is going to need to be spotted a 5 run minimum by our offense (cupcakes) and the one that I may get amazing or I may get crap (Kyle)… Given those choices, I will pick the one that gives me the chance of a good game… Kyle…
That being said, I understand that parts of this problem are fixable (a little better defense to fix the BABIP, and getting back to the right pitch blend may make a world of difference…) but right now cupcakes makes me cringe— he seems to throw too many cookies.
by dannijd on Jun 17, 2010 12:19 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
KK – you know you got issues when people confuse your name and average # number of strikes out you have a game.
Cupcakes will be fine. At the worst he be 2008 Cupcakes without the 2009 whipped cream.
by j reed on Jun 17, 2010 4:00 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I would still take Panniculus over Kendrick any day.
Remember the Phitans
by RememberthePhitans on Jun 17, 2010 6:25 AM EDT up reply actions
well I’m glad we agree so you didn’t troll back with something like
“you need to back that assessment up with hard data”
Just looking at FIP/xFIP would support it:
Halladay 2.67/3.04
Hamels 4.55/3.72
Moyer 4.98/4.76
Kendrick 4.81/4.86
Blanton 5.83/5.13
Honor is no substitute for victory.
Nights like tonight make me glad that I did not say Moyer was done last week (and convince me that when betting the over under, to bet on our annihilation)… It also has convinced me tha I will never again say a nice thing about a pitcher currently on the mound… I think I hexed Halladay last night.
by dannijd on Jun 17, 2010 12:21 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I missed half the game, stuck on interstate 80 on my way to Chicago. No chance to revel in the Burnett burning but luckily witnessed MLB’s Moses carry on smiting the shit out of the evil empire from the 5th inning on. Under the expression ‘exception to the rule’ is a picture of Moyer’s mug with that weird curled smile of pitching grimace he makes just as he throws the ball . What’s next on the list – a walk-off grand salami? Yesterday, when I looked up Moyer’s career numbers against the big guns of the Yankees line-up I set my expectations low, called Chance a douchbag for subjecting Moyer to these horrid back-to-back match-ups and decided to nip the disappointment in the bud by rationalizing a moral victory: continued signs that the slump gremlins were leaving. But nope, mind fuck pitching and 6 runs. Could it be better? Yes – Yankee land KENOBI’d. Some stress when Lidge approached 2 out critical mass with Cano and Centaur on the corners and Posdea at the dish in the only park I’ve ever seen a broken bat HR (Teixeria last year against Myers I think). But he put some shine on the rocky finish by striking out a good hitter. Tomorrow though, we might be get the other end of the off speed shame stick when Jamie Petite toes the rubber. I still have the nightmares.
/Methuselah’d
Remember the Phitans
by RememberthePhitans on Jun 17, 2010 6:25 AM EDT up reply actions
I am a hundred percent sure that we are getting our butts handed to us tonight. Even sacrifices to the batting gods can not fix the fact that Utley-Howard-Werth are a combined 3-34 or something like that against him. So lets all enjoy last night’s win for a few hours because tonight and tomorrow are going to suck.
I am being realistic… it is better than what I tried to be up until the Boston series, which was hopeful. I now fully expect our annihilation, allowing me to not get too upset when it happens. If the team wants me to get back to believing that they have a chance to win every day, they should show up with some consistency… until that occurs, I will believe that we are getting our butts handed to us, regardless of who is on the mound for either side, but particularly when I see a pitcher that we have historically not hit staring back at us (or one who is currently pitching badly…. they seem to be our real problems).
I’m going to be optimistic. I won’t be able to watch tonight, so I’m thinking we’re due for some craziness….like an XBH from a guy who’s name ends in Z.
I am going to be gamedaying again… commute from work will take up the early innngs of the game, and I think I have to run errands, so I just won’t get home. Which Z do you expect an extra base hit from? Ibanez, or are you going for the real shocker and going to take Valdez?
How have they done since I started being realistic? Although they keep playing like this, and I may have to have an upward revision of my opinions.
Shitty
You’ve been absurdly pessimistic for a long time, and they’ve played like crap for a long time. But there’s no causal relationship here, it’s just that your negativity drives me nuts.
Runners on third
Has anyone compared the Phillies success as scoring runners from third with less than two out over the last year and a half to the MLB average for doing that. Observationally it seems that we are particularly bad at doing that, and I’m wondering if it’s a real deficiency or if my own frustration just magnifies the problem and makes it seem worse than it is.
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