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Bullpen FAIL: Twins 13, Phillies 10

The good news: the hitters looked like 2009 today.  The bad news:  so did Brad Lidge and the rest of the bullpen.  The Phillies hitters pounded out 10 runs today, including a tenth inning two-out game-tying home run by Ross Gload.  However, the bullpen gave up 9 runs from the ninth inning on -- 5 in the 9th, 1 in the 10th, and 3 in the 11th.

Baseball does this to you, though.  Let's take from this that the offense is still showing signs of life and emerging from the slump, forget the 9th innings on, and look forward to winning another interleague series tomorrow, when Roy Halladay takes the mound to finish off the Twins.

Until then, rant below as you wish.

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All this bullpen suckitude

make Homer something something…

by ajay on Jun 19, 2010 8:38 PM EDT reply actions  

DON'T MIND IF I DO!

F**&)(#)(#$#$#&^&&#### BULLPEN, F$)(#)$(#$)($ HOWARD AND WERTH STRIKE OUTS, BAEZ YOU MOTHERF)()(#*$#($#)($_#($#!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by ajay on Jun 19, 2010 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

WOW. I was following the game on my phone coming home from Connecticut, and it died right after Punto drew the walk following Thome’s home run. All I can say is: thank goodness for that, because it would have been ugly if I’d freaked out on Metro North and got taken into custody around Darien.

by dajafi on Jun 19, 2010 8:39 PM EDT reply actions  

This is a tough pill to swallow man. We were all hoping that lidge was past this but the BP shit the bed tonight big time. On a bright note thier BP halsto be smoked after working 18+ innings in the last 2 nights. With Doc on the mound tommrow it wouldn’t suprise anyone to see the Phillz taking it but then again what do I know?

by sowhatifitisasportste on Jun 19, 2010 9:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Absolutely ridiculous.

Contreras and Lidge waste a perfectly good outing by Hamels and the great hitting of the sluggers today. Giving up a game which you lead by 5 runs going into the 9th inning is completely unacceptable.

After this pathetic effort from the bullpen, I want Halladay to stay on the mound tomorrow for 9 innings and pitch a CGSO. The Twins must be punished for their insolence.

by MyronBales on Jun 19, 2010 9:20 PM EDT reply actions  

I need a Halladay complete game— they are usually fun and good for my blood pressure (unlike the bullpen). However, I do not feel good about the prospects for one— Halladay is 0-2 (both really bad performances) against te AL this year. He is also 0-1 with a no decision in games where he pitched any part of the game to a catcher other than Ruiz— granted both of those times involved Hoover, but he has not pitched to Schneider in a game this year.

There are some stats to countery nerves, though— Halladay is 8-1 with a 2.90 ERA in 13 games, 11 of them starts v. The Twins. He also has followed his last three bad starts (San Francisco, Colorado, and Boston) with gems (complete game shutout v. The Mets, 1 Earned Run complete game v. The Pirates, and the Perfect game v. The Marlins respectively), so there is some hope. But I am going to keep my toes crossed that the hitting sticks around, and Halladay receives some well deserved run support to gonwith a great pitching day.

by dannijd on Jun 20, 2010 3:14 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

On the plus side
  • Excluding the month of Slumpuary, we’re 4-2 in interleague play, against 3 Really Good Teams™
  • Everyone is hitting, including Howard (4HR in 4 games)
  • We’ve scored 6+ runs four games in a row
  • They’re stealing bases (10 in 6 games) and playing aggressively

Things are much better than they were a couple weeks ago.

by Phrozen on Jun 19, 2010 9:49 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree

And I think everyone else would however at the end of the year when you’re looking for a win or 2 to take the division or home field advantage this is one of those games where you tell yourself “We should have had this one”

by sowhatifitisasportste on Jun 19, 2010 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

This may be one of those games, but the ones I’ll be thinking about are Halladay’s and Hamel’s (and Kendrick’s and Moyer’s) tough luck losses.

Losing 2-1 or 1-0 or whatever just shouldn’t happen with this team. Especially to Pittsburgh.

by Phrozen on Jun 20, 2010 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think if it is tight at the end of the year with the Phillies making the playoffs (I hate to say it, but they have a tough, uphill road to even making it), there are going to be a bunch of game that I look back on and am bitter about—blowing good leads against Atlanta, San Diego, and particularly this one against Minnesota, all of the close losses that we had during Slumpuary (think how many of them 9 runs would have won), and all of the hard luck pitching losses the Phillies have had this year (I think every starter not named Blanton has lost at least one heartbreaker this year). I guess it is true for every team that does not make the playoffs or does not get home field that there are games that they and the fans look back on and think about how close they were, but this last month just seems to be about those losses, and I keep hoping that soon we will start coming up consistently on the right end of the stick.

However, particularly if they lose the divisionto Atlanta or the Mets by a game or two, I will also be thinking about how unfair it is that while the Phillies had to play Boston twice, the Yankees, and the Twins in interleague, the Mets got the Orioles and the Braves got the Royals— while our interleague record this year is less embarassing than I feared to date (5-6), the fact is that the Mets and Braves have had a somewhat easier road of it. That they got some gift wins while the Phillies had to claw and scratch will also be on my mind I’d the Phillies do not make the playoffs.

by dannijd on Jun 20, 2010 2:54 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

boo hoo...

You make it sound like all of the Braves inter-league games are against the Royals. They also played the first-place Twins (in Minnesota) and the first-place Rays, and still have the White Sox (who are playing well right now), and the second-place Tigers. Besides, you probably didn’t think is was so “unfair” when the Braves had to play Boston twice plus the Yankees last year, did you?

It seems a little early to start making excuses for not making the postseason, doesn’t it?

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by sddbaker on Jun 21, 2010 1:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

Also missed in today’s depression (something I caught in the box score after)… For the second day in the row, one of our slumping hitters missed hitting for the cycle by one hit— Chase needed a homer to hit for the cycle today. I wonder what the statistics are on a set of teammates each coming one hit short of the cycle on consecutive days are… Probably a weird stat that interests only me.

by dannijd on Jun 20, 2010 2:45 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Well this sucks

I go out to do something, thinking that the Phils had this game well in hand, and come back to “the bullpen puked up our lead.” Sigh.

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by HappyHuman on Jun 19, 2010 10:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Dany Baez SUCKS

He’s easily one of the worst pitchers in the Phils bullpen if not the worst

eff you we winning anyway
A.I. IS BACKKKKKKK

by eagleswin on Jun 19, 2010 10:41 PM EDT reply actions  

He appears to be better than Herndon, although they’re really pretty close to being tied for 2nd most worst. Bastardo, though, is the bottom of the barrel, I think.

by Phrozen on Jun 20, 2010 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t know— at this point, I only want to see any of the three of them in blowout duty— I want none of them near a close game— and the next time we are tied, I want that to be a standing order to keep Baez tied to the bench in the bullpen, as he has managed to give up the winning runs in two ties in a two week period.

by dannijd on Jun 20, 2010 3:03 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

And the Braves win on a walk off.

Just to add to the overall suckness of this night.

Looking forward to the Kevin Kolb era.
5-8-10...the day the Purdue Boilermakers basketball team won the 2011 NCAA Championship!!

by EREX21 on Jun 19, 2010 10:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, but considering they played the Royals, I was more shocked by the fact that they needed a walkoff to win than the fact that they won.

by dannijd on Jun 20, 2010 2:56 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Well it was against Zack Greinke…

"Sharks have a week dedicated to Jason Heyward."

by Scott Coleman on Jun 20, 2010 4:00 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Who due to a combination of being unlucky and not looking anywhere close to the CY Young winning version of himself has only 2 wins.

by dannijd on Jun 20, 2010 8:33 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Wins?

You honestly look at wins to measure a pitcher?

"Sharks have a week dedicated to Jason Heyward."

by Scott Coleman on Jun 20, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Only in conjunction with other things, including ERA (higher than last year), K rate (lower than last year), walk rate (higher than last year), and not so much in my judgement of a pitcher, but in my judgement of a team’s performace with the pitcher. I think Greinke, while not as good as he was last year is still an outstanding pitcher. However, I do not think that the Royals as a team are particularly inclined to good play even with him on the mound.

by dannijd on Jun 20, 2010 1:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Lidge

I’m wondering how lidge can get to this level of baseball without being able to hold runners on? He will never be fogotten for his 2008, but he’s inconsistent now and every two or three outings has the good slider. He can’t be trusted in a close game and neither can Baez, who I thought was an awful signing. Here’s to hoping the phils get some bullpen help in a trade.

by phillynyc on Jun 19, 2010 11:23 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Agreed

Many members of the pitching staff seem to be going through dead-armness right now, which happens to every team every year. They’ve probably been using Contreras too much, and we have to keep in mind that Lidge is likely still not at 100 %. He didn’t look great last night, and he obviously wasn’t so hot today, but at least he retired the side and kept the game tied.

As for bullpen help, yes please. Happ and Madson will hopefully be back sooner than later, but I’ve had enough of Danys Baez. Seriously. I’m getting nostalgic for Clay Condrey over here.

Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?

by mikefive on Jun 19, 2010 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

While I agree with the need to hold runners on, the fact ofthe matter is that even if he would have held the runner, two runs still would have scored on Mauer’s homerun, so just for today, that really did not lose it for them. That being said, Lidge is really making me eat the fact that I defended him on Friday morning to a co-worker of mine… I told him that Lidge had been looking and pitching better… He was back to his semi-normal, life on the edge, agita inducing self, instead of the pitcher last year who made me close my eyes, hold my head in my hands and pray for k’s (and for the outfielders’ ability to jump and catch things that should have went out).

by dannijd on Jun 20, 2010 3:01 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

OT

My friend is going to the game tomorrow, and was wondering if there is anywhere close to the stadium that he can park for free? Thanks in advance. Looks to be an awesome matchup tomorrow.

by Jesse S. on Jun 20, 2010 2:08 AM EDT reply actions  

not legally, that I’m aware of. If he’s driving alone, however, I’d recommend finding a free or cheaper spot somewhere along the Broad Street Line. Two tokens < $15 fee. You do hit the breakeven with two other passengers.

by Wet Luzinski on Jun 20, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

That graph is frowning at me. Bad graph, go to your room.

by j reed on Jun 20, 2010 2:09 AM EDT reply actions  

I guess we should be glad that the Phillies were on top this time— I would be even more upset if that graph were smiling at me! (Assuming we still lost…)

by dannijd on Jun 21, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Aggravation

Something that happens so rarely as blowing a five-run lead in the ninth makes you wonder why certain moves were made. Like why was it necessary to take out Romero after he has retired the Twins two best hitters, just to get the righty-right matchup with Contreras, in a five-run game? Contreras did fine for the first batter, but then he sits before coming back for the ninth. Even if Contreras wasn’t at the top of his game after losing that long battle and walking Punto, do you really think he’s going to give up five runs in the innng? It seemed like Lidge was brought in just so he could “earn” a save once the situation allowed that. If you think you need Lidge, start the damn inning with him, don’t wait until runs are in and a baserunner is aboard. Even with a subpar performance no way would Lidge have allowed five runs in the inning. He faced five batters and got three outs. He hasn’t looked dominant recently but he’d been getting the job done. Now, who knows if his confidence will be there the next time.
The ESPN article said the Phillies had won 251 straight times when they led by five or more runs in the ninth. Anybody know the last time they blew a big lead like this? I’m sure it’s happened in some game I followed but I can’t remember when.

by phillyinportland on Jun 20, 2010 4:00 AM EDT reply actions  

Elias has a note on the Phillies ESPN page that says the last time they did it in a home game was in 1961! So any time since then would be a road game. I’m guessing some time around 10-15 years ago if it was 251 times with a lead of 5 or more runs in the 9th innng, which is not that common for a bad team but something the current group has probably done more often. Just using rough figures of final scores, the 2010 team has won 9 games this season by 5 or more runs, in 66 games. That would be about 22 games this season like that. So, if that were the average per year, then somewhere between 1995-2000 seems like the period. Ricky Bottalico, anyone?

by phillyinportland on Jun 20, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

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