Some Phillies Links for You, June 23, 2010: Little Big Brown, Daulton: The Original Phillies Space Cadet

by WholeCamels on Jun 23, 2010 8:20 AM EDT

Paul Hagen: Dobbs is first casualty in Phillies' battle against complacency

Look, nobody's suggesting that Ryan Howard or Chase Utley or Roy Halladay or Cole Hamels or Rollins is going to look at what happened and think, "OMG, if we don't start winning some games, I could be next." The star players who will ultimately determine whether the Phillies come out of their funk pretty much have immunity. Some have no-trade clauses. All have big contracts that are difficult to move.

Is anyone else shocked that a mainstream writer used "OMG" in an article?

Daulton to join Phillies Wall of Fame
Won't it be cool in 15 or 20 years when were are some really great Phillies players inducted into the Wall of Fame, and not just fan favorites / "characters" from the vast expanse of Turd Seasons?

Philadelphia Phillies prospects Domonic Brown, Jarred Cosart selected for Futures Game
Good stuff, congrats to both!

Brown atones for gaffe with two monster HRs

If Brown indeed is able to respond to negativity he's got a great career ahead of him in Philadelphia, the town that once booed Santa Claus.

Et tu, Drago?

May having strong June for Threshers
The good news is, homeboy is now probably the Phillies' third best pitching prospect (behind Jarred Cosart and Brody Colvin).

Mets may 'rent' Lee - NYPOST.com
I hate it when the Mets contemplate smarter personnel moves than the Phillies.

How I met Halladay on my recent holiday
Trolling Times Square nudie clubs, I KNEW IT.

Cutters suffer first defeat - SunGazette.com | News, Sports, Jobs, Community Information - Williamsport-Sun Gazette
Welcome to the pros, Perci.

Biden's allegiance | Philadelphia Daily News | 06/23/2010

"Philadelphia fans are the most, uh, most persistent fans in the world. My wife is counted among them . . . it's a simple proposition. I root fervently for the Flyers or I sleep alone. It's not a hard call. It's not a hard call at all. That was one hell of a series, though."

I bet he snores a lot.

Braves Lose 9-6, Hanson Gets Rocked - Talking Chop
Hanson never rocked.

Mets 14, Tigers 6: Niese Blah, Offense Huzzah! - Amazin' Avenue
Complete with really creepy Johnny Damon photo.

Washington Nationals Take Two Straight, 4-3 Over Kansas City Royals. - Federal Baseball
Josh Willingham, still looks like an adult film actor.

Fish Wrap - Marlins 10, Orioles 4 - FishStripes
I wish the Phillies got to play the Orioles (even though they swept last year).

Aaaand, lastly, I just got back from a long weekend in Colorado, where I spotted this sucker in Durango. For Jayson Wertz:

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Mets / Cliff Lee

look to be putting a prospect package together that looks remarkably like what the Phillies gave to Cleveland last July. By the time he signs a long-term deal with someone, he’ll leave in his wake a remarkable run of short stints for prospects- something like 1 prospect per month.

Smart that the Mets are going for the comp pick (especially as, at this rate, it will come from the Yankees), but doesn’t this also say something about fear of the salary demands/length of term?

by Wet Luzinski on Jun 23, 2010 8:50 AM EDT reply actions

if the Mets sign Lee long term the Philadelphia press will have a field day with it for the next 4 to 5 years.

by Clyde Simmons on Jun 23, 2010 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions

I’m surprised they arent trying for Carmona anymore, I would love the Phillies to go after him, his payroll hit for the next few years is very manageable.

by Ant on Jun 23, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions

Based on kERA, Carmona’s incredibly consistently slightly above average.

Honor is no substitute for victory.

by The Dark on Jun 23, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions

an honorific to which we all aspire.

by Wet Luzinski on Jun 23, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions

If the Mets sign Lee long term, the Phillies will never live the decision to trade him to Seattle down in the eyes of the Philly media.

by dannijd on Jun 23, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions

The Mets could have signed him long term even if we hadn’t traded him.

by taco pal on Jun 23, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions

True… but that is not going to be how the media (or many in Philadelphia) are going to see it— they are going to see that had the Phillies not traded him to Seattle, who then traded him to the Mets, he would not have wound up there to sign a long term deal (never mind the fact that the Phillies would probably not have signed him long term even had they kept him, allowing for him to possibly be signed long term by the Mets in the offseason.

by dannijd on Jun 23, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions

That’s great, but the Philadlephia media isn’t that intelligent to realize that the Phillies weren’t giving a long term deal to Lee, whether they kept him or not, after obtaining Halladay

by jemagee on Jun 23, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions

If I’m Jack Z, I’m requiring Mejia to be part of any package. I just wouldn’t trust F-Mart to stay healthy over the long haul, and Flores is so far away (and is a decent bet to wind up in the outfield by the time all’s said and done) that I’m not taking him as the centerpiece either. And while I do like Thole’s bat, reports on the defense are only so-so.

by PhillyFriar on Jun 23, 2010 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions

OMG, you listen to that bitch?

by FuquaManuel on Jun 23, 2010 9:04 AM EDT reply actions

zOMG, Hagen wrote OMG!

by Wet Luzinski on Jun 23, 2010 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions

Ugh

Drago is a hack. Read that this morning and wanted to puke (on Drago).

"Call me dumb, call me stupid, whatever. I block shots."

by boknows71 on Jun 23, 2010 9:06 AM EDT reply actions

My name is Drago. I’m a fighter from the Soviet Union. I fight all my life and I never lose. soon I fight Rocky Balboa, and the world will see his defeat. Soon, the whole world will know my name.

(yes, I’m having a stream-of-consciousness day)

Honor is no substitute for victory.

by The Dark on Jun 23, 2010 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions

I will crush you

TAKE THE FALL, ACT HURT, GET INDIGNANT

by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 23, 2010 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions

I must break you...

Let the beasting begin.

by TransplantedFan on Jun 23, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions

If he dies he dies

by taco pal on Jun 23, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions

I fight for me. For me.

Let the beasting begin.

by TransplantedFan on Jun 23, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions

He’s not human. He’s like a piece of iron.

Honor is no substitute for victory.

by The Dark on Jun 23, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions

To the end.

Let the beasting begin.

by TransplantedFan on Jun 23, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions

I waver back and forth on whether Rocky IV is the greatest bad movie ever, or the worst great movie.

Road House is up there, too.

http://www.thegoodphight.com

by WholeCamels on Jun 23, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions

Are we dismissing the small budget b movies like student bodies?

http://www.dvdfile.com/views/articles/23699-the-greatest-bad-movies-of-all-time-on-dvdbd

by jemagee on Jun 23, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions

“sometime Malvert pee red”
‘Avocados’

by Pedro45 on Jun 23, 2010 10:39 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions

HORSE

HEAD

BOOKENDS

by jemagee on Jun 24, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions

I don’t know man. Rocky IV did end the cold war after all what with that stirring speech at the end of the fight.

Let the beasting begin.

by TransplantedFan on Jun 23, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions

everybody can change!

"I want to hand this trophy to the MVP of the Super Bowl -- and the MVP of the entire league, Drew Brees.''
-- Sean Payton

by DeuceisLoose926 on Jun 23, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions

To use the phrase VH1 made famous, it’s awesomely bad.

Honor is no substitute for victory.

by The Dark on Jun 23, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions

Isn’t there a difference between a bunch of drunken Eagles fans throwing snowballs at a crappy version of Santa Claus and a town’s elected official openly mocking his existence?

Yet Southtown, USA gets no bad press whatsoever.

by Wet Luzinski on Jun 23, 2010 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions

at this point the only response I can have to batteries at Santa is laughter.

by Clyde Simmons on Jun 23, 2010 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions

Um, Dom Brizz-own.

That is all.

by FuquaManuel on Jun 23, 2010 9:12 AM EDT reply actions

Dom Brown is 11 days older than me.

I’m truly honored to share a zodiac sign with him.

by FuquaManuel on Jun 23, 2010 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions

Rollins, Jimi Hendrix and I share the same birthday. Coincidence? Not hardly.

by Wet Luzinski on Jun 23, 2010 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions

I have the same birthday as Scrap Iron Garner and Joachim von Ribbentrop. Along with Isiah Thomas and one of Spitzer’s call girls. I’m not sure whether to be amused or disturbed after looking up my birthday.

Honor is no substitute for victory.

by The Dark on Jun 23, 2010 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions

Jamie Moyer is Eppa Rixey’s equal
If you, like me, have soft spots for tall, high-school teachin’, chemical warfarin’, poetry writin’ lefty HOF pitchers. If I lived in another era, Rixey would have left my man-crush on Hamels in the dust.

by Wet Luzinski on Jun 23, 2010 9:15 AM EDT reply actions

Battle Against Phillies Complacency..

Looking at that article, I totally agree with Hagan that DFA’ing Dobbs is not going to send much of a message to the regulars, but Amaro’s cryptic comments about making a move to make a move made me wonder whether the team may be thinking much more strongly about trading Werth around the deadline if the team has not shaped up. I do not want to see him go, but can understand the system shock that may be to the team. I also have seen the same lack of fight that he has seen— in past years, this team was such that you did not turn the game off if they were down in the late innings, as they had far too much ability to find another gear and come from behind to win it. Now, by the seventh, I pretty much know if they have a chance at winning— if they are behind, it is very difficult for me to hold much hope for things to change. I hope that they get back to winning soon— hopefully Rollins back in the lineup jolts something loose and they do not feel the need to attempt even more extraordinary measures.

by dannijd on Jun 23, 2010 9:59 AM EDT reply actions

They are not going to trade Werth.

by taco pal on Jun 23, 2010 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions

So do you think Amaro’s cryptic comments are mere threats, or do you think someone else’s head will roll?

by dannijd on Jun 23, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions

Making your team a lot worse to “send a message” is a really bad idea. DFA’ing Dobbs is a totally different thing. I realize it’s been a small sample size this year, but he was basically an automatic out, and was a butcher at 3d. Over a limited amount of playing time, he managed to put together a tidy -0.7 WAR. Even if nothing is “shaken up,” you’re at least hopefully replacing him with somebody who can be a valuable baseball player.

by zfg on Jun 23, 2010 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions

I’m confused – didn’t someone have to go to accomadate all the roster moves made? I don’t fully understand the ins and outs but with all the moves made yesterday didn’t someone have to go and hasn’t dobbs been the ‘most useless’ this year…especially with the injurys that rollins has suffered this year it’s more impomrtant to keep his ‘back ups’ around than the others?

When did all the marzano posters start showing up again?

by jemagee on Jun 23, 2010 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions

I agree with that— Dobbs made sense of the one to go to. Hopefully, Hagan was off on this— it is just that some of Amaro’s quotes make me wonder… possibly just trying to shake something up… but…

by dannijd on Jun 23, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions

OMG! STOP IT. No one cares whether you hold out hope for a win after the 7th inning.

by FuquaManuel on Jun 23, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions

Last year, I wrote this at the end of April: http://www.thegoodphight.com/2009/4/26/853899/comebacks
It broke down the sheer amazingness of how improbable the Phillies April comeback wins had been last year, with 4 comebacks in April that they had less than a 6% chance of winning. That’s not going to happen all the time. I think your reference point is just off here, because the odds of winning in those kinds of game is ridiculously low in many cases.

Here’s the thing— why is it complacency? That’s what the media always decides is the reason when there is no reason. Sometimes there is a reason, but a lot of the time there simply is not but that doesn’t make for a compelling story. The standard deviation in wins for 68 games is about 4 wins. That means that about 5 baseball teams are playing 4 wins below their talent level for no reason other than luck. How many of their teams’ media are blaming complacency or laziness or some poor play? I’m sure all 5. There are 5 teams that are 4 wins below their performance level right now for no reason other than luck. I sure think that the Phillies could be one of them.

by Matt Swartz on Jun 23, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions

The Marlins fired their manager and two bench coaches…maybe the owner should be less delusional?

The Marlins are 34-36 and in fourth place in the National League East, 7½ games out of first. Team owner Jeffrey Loria said during spring training that he expected his team to make the playoffs. “We’ve got all the ammunition we need,” he said at the time.

by jemagee on Jun 23, 2010 10:40 AM EDT reply actions

They actually are underperforming this year. I doubt it’s the manager’s fault, but they do have enough talent to have had an outside-shot at the playoffs going into the season. Their lineup is hitting well below expectations.

by taco pal on Jun 23, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions

Outside shot isn’t the same as expecting to make the playoffs…it’s usually not the managers fault unless he consistently makes stupid decisions…hasn’t it be proven pretty handily in baseball that managers overall have a very small impact over a teams record…assuming that they don’t do things like bat the pitcher first and pinch run for their power hitter in the 3rd inning to get a 1-0 lead?

by jemagee on Jun 23, 2010 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions

So we agree that, as I already said, it probably isn’t the manager’s fault. But the question I was addressing is whether the Marlins’ owner’s statement was “delusional”. It was not. It was a somewhat over-optimistic, but only somewhat. They are legitimately underperforming their talent level this season.

by taco pal on Jun 23, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions

But aren’t a lot of teams hitting below expectations this year? I have seen a ton of media coverage calling this the year of the pitcher, causing me to think that hitting is down league wide.

That being said, while the exact timing is something of a surprise, I had the sense from things I had read both at the beginning of the season and during the Hanley incident that he was on a very short leash.

by dannijd on Jun 23, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions

I read this as code for, “We should be where the Mets are.”

by Wet Luzinski on Jun 23, 2010 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions

Is anyone else shocked that a mainstream writer used “OMG” in an article?

In a world where justin bieber is nominated for a BET award – is there anything left to be shocked about?

by jemagee on Jun 23, 2010 11:47 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs

Tons— but none of it involving the actions of the media.

by dannijd on Jun 23, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions

That’s true, you continue to shock me on a daily basis

by jemagee on Jun 23, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions

That’s just D tasering you.

Remember the Phitans

by RememberthePhitans on Jun 23, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions

Nice play on words :)

by jemagee on Jun 23, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions

If I had to picture you as a cartoon, it would be a troll under a bridge, wearing a pair of bifocles, wielding a mallet with the words “common sense” carved into the shaft. You would be smoking a pipe, reading the paper, just waiting for clueless villagers to cross your bridge. As they would cross your bridge, you would have a conversation with them. If you did not like the way the conversation was going, you would hit them with “common sense” and return to the underbelly of your bridge.

TAKE THE FALL, ACT HURT, GET INDIGNANT

by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 23, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs