Some Phillies Links for You, June 30, 2010: Lee Lee Lee, Brown Town, Madson Rehab
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IronPigs Domonic Brown debuts
It will be full-on suicide watch if Domonic Brown somehow injuries himself this summer.
Beating Yankees just fuels trade talk surrounding Mariners' Cliff Lee
This is Cohen Bait!
In the second inning, Lee walked Jorge Posada on a 3-2 pitch for his first walk in 38 1/3 innings. "I'm not too pleased about it," he said. "My goal coming into the season is to not walk anyone for a whole season."
I love Cliff Lee's dry sense of humor. Pitchitude aside, he's an easier guy to like than Roy Halladay.
Phillies reliever Madson throws perfect inning in rehab appearance
Great news, really. Stupid Madson.
Looking at possible fill-ins for Phillies
Wait Mark Grudzielanek is 40? Holy...
J.A. Happ not impressive as he continues his rehab stint
I'm more concerned about velocity and stuff at this point. But when he comes back and "regresses to the mean" from his 2009 numbers, how many people will cry that he's still hurt?
Book: Dysktra admits steroid use
Mets legend Lenny Dykstra: Certified scumbag.
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Season 7 finale of "Entourage" will be aired on September 12. In addition to Eminem and Christina, it will also feature Minka Kelly, John Cleese as well as a number of A-list athletes, Super Bowl MVP Drew Brees, Phillies All-Star first baseman Ryan Howard and NBA stars Jordan Farmar and Kevin Love.
No, Ryan. No. "Yo, Vin..."
Washington Nationals Break Losing Streak, Beat Atlanta Braves, 7-2. - Federal Baseball
The Nationals, doing the Lord's work. Thanks guys.
Fish Wrap - Marlins 7, Mets 6 - FishStripes
Aaaaaand, thank you Marlins.
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Jordan Farmar is an NBA star? Geez, standards are dropping. The guy’s started two games in a four year professional career, and been a reserve for two hundred and ninety-nine games. He’s a solid player, but calling him a star is a bit excessive, unless we want to start referring to Exxon as a star baseball player.
Honor is no substitute for victory.
Exactly what crossed my mind
But hey, in a show where Turtle can be hittin Meadow Soprano anything can happen.
"Call me dumb, call me stupid, whatever. I block shots."
Believing it in real life is actually harder to me
by jemagee on Jun 30, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
"I don't understand why anyone's chuckling."
-Cliff Lee to press corps.
http://thatballsouttahere.com
Stop yelling at me so that I can yell at you!
"I don't understand why I'm playing for the lowly Mariners and not the Phillies."
- Cliff Lee to self
by David S. Cohen on Jun 30, 2010 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions
I hope there was a super-duper top secret clause in the trade agreement that if the Mariners sucked they would have to trade him back to the Phillies Mid Season for Phillipe Aumont.
by Clyde Simmons on Jun 30, 2010 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions
if he didn’t express his wishes to test Free Agency, it’s highly probable that he still would be a Phillie
Preaching the Inglewood Jack
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 30, 2010 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t quite buy into this.
I’m always going to believe that if Lee didn’t tell the Phillies he wanted the best offer in free agency, and would take a discounted offer, he and Halladay would still be Phillies.
However, I do not blame Lee for wanting the best, because he deserves the best
Preaching the Inglewood Jack
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 30, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Then why not keep lee for one year and pay him his 9 million dollars and let him walk in free agency and get the 2 draft pick compensation while fielding a fearsome pitching rotation for one more season.
I don’t buy into your theory because the phillies LINKED trading for halladay to getting rid of Lee…why was that so important if that 9 million dollars of THIS YEARS SALARY wasn’t something they desperately had to get rid of before taking on Halladays salary.
by jemagee on Jun 30, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Obviously the Phillies thought the prospects they were receiving were better than the extra year and draft picks they were receiving
Don’t quite agree with why the Phillies did what they did, but I understand the fear of money
However, with the way the Phils have been playing in recent years, I don’t understand the money concerns. We sell out on a consistent basis, so money isn’t an issue. If I knew back then that Werth was walking at the end of the year, I would’ve paid Lee his money to keep him here. With Brown waiting in the wings, and 2 aces in the prime of their careers, it’s hard to argue.
Something I think we both can agree on is that SP has not been the issue. I wish Amaro would’ve gone out and spent the money for a decent bench and bullpen. But when you’re assembling a pitching staff out of scotch tape and a bench out of Elmer’s glue, one must wonder how much profit the Phillies are bringing home.
It’s a bothersome feeling believing that after you win a championship someone is pinching pennies, but it’s something we have to accept.
Shitty way to start off the morning
Preaching the Inglewood Jack
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 30, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
However, with the way the Phils have been playing in recent years, I don’t understand the money concerns.
the phillies have a budget, I don’t know why people seem to think they don’t, they have a set budget, and a sunk one time cost of 9 million dollars to have a rotation of halladay/lee/hamels broke that budget and it wasn’t a cost that they would absorb, so they linked the halladay move to the lee move (even though they could have waited a long time to move lee)…that’s pretty much how I see it and i’ve yet to see anyone present a convincing argument that the lee move wasn’t financially motivated.
.Something I think we both can agree on is that SP has not been the issue. I
Kendrick has been bad, happ has been hurt and moyer is pitching out of his mind and maintaining it all season is highly unlikely.
The SP hasn’t been the main issue, but it’s been an issue, and it would have been less of an issue with Lee in the rotation
by jemagee on Jun 30, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
The reason why we know it was motivated by the budget for 2011 and beyond and not for 2010, is that if it had been the latter, they could have much more easily achieved that result through other means.
Yeah you keep saying that, and you keep thinking I should believe you.
Cliff Lee was under contract for one more year – and the phillies had no obligation to pay him past 2010 – so you keep spewing this ’it’s for 2011 nonsense’ and yet he wasn’t on the books for 2011.
You sound a lot like the sixers PR department spinning the sam dalembert trade
by jemagee on Jun 30, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I explained this in some detail before, and everyone else seemed to understand it except for you. Even those who disagreed understood where I was coming from and had specific sensible responses, not just a wholesale failure to grasp the point. I guess you’re either that much smarter than everyone else here, or that much dumber.
I’ll spell it out again for any readers who might not have read the previous discussion of this issue and who do not lack an elementary grasp of logic.
If $9 million in 2010 was the primary goal, there were other ways to achieve this goal. For example, Blanton could have been traded, which would brought us very close to the number. This was an alternative that, according to reports that appeared at the time, the Phillies actually explored.
Logically, if there were multiple possible alternatives for achieve a particular budgetary goal, then even if that goal was non-negotiable, the basis for choosing one alternative over another must be explained by something other than goal itself. (Duh.)
So what could the explanation have been? The most likely one is that:
1. Amaro felt that letting Lee walk after this season and getting only draft picks in return was an unacceptable option.
2. Trading someone like Blanton would not have enabled us to keep Lee after 2010, whereas if we traded Lee, we would still be able to extend Blanton and we would get a trade return.
3. Therefore, Amaro chose to trade Lee to avoid #1, which he dreaded.
4. This was not necessarily the correct move, because the value of the compensation picks + one year of Lee arguably exceeded the value of the three Seattle prospects + the ability to extend Blanton. On this question, I am more-or-less on the fence. YMMV.
5. But it must be conceded that the value of the three Seattle prospects alone exceeded the value of the compensation picks alone (for the reasons Cormican explains below).
It’s a bothersome feeling believing that after you win a championship someone is pinching pennies, but it’s something we have to accept.
While a fan (hello, Dan Snyder) will want an owner to spend whatever it takes to win, and may do that if they were the owner, the goal of every business is to minimize costs and maximize profits.
Had Cliff Lee not stated a desire to test the open market, we’d either have Lee and no Halladay or we’d have Halladay and no Lee. There is no way we’d have both. The reason is they would not have wanted two $15-20 starters for 3-5 years, so they would have had a one or the other decision to make anyway.
But that still doesn’t explain the not keeping Lee for one more season – making another run at the world series more likely (not guaranteed cause nothing is guaranteed) on his discounted contract (9 mil is cheap for him) and then letting him walk and getting the two draft picks.
I have no problem with them not signing both long term, it’s the way the one move seemed linked to the other, like that 9 million dollars was death
by jemagee on Jun 30, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Picks in the late first round have a terrible track record, historically, and while Gillies, Ramirez and Aumont aren’t setting the world on fire you have a better idea of their professional potential, than you would for 2 drafts picks with no pro experience. For Rube it would still be a lose-lose option, since he would just get blasted this winter instead of last for letting Lee go.
The more I watch of the two of them, the more I am not sure that having Lee still here (provided he had signed an extension), would not have been as good as having Halladay— granted it is early in the season, and small sample sizes apply, but Lee is tearing it up in the AL— three complete games in a row, with an excellent K/BB ratio, etc. I do not know that the trades made us better.
Lenny Dykstra
It truly is amazing how much money you can fleece from people and not wind up in jail.
The more you steal the less likely you are to go to jail – i thought that was common knowledge
Being white and famous helps too
by jemagee on Jun 30, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Traditionally, the Feds are slow about stuff like this. I don’t think Nails is out of the woods yet (not that I think he should get away with this).
Two of the best nights of my life.,,,October 21, 1980 and October 29, 2008.
One of the weirdest...October 1, 1970. I kept part of one of the seats.
I was in college in Boston in 1974 and when Clarke scored the OT goal in game 2 I knew that the Flyers would win the Cup since they would never lose at home.
The more you steal the less likely you are to go to jail – i thought that was common knowledge
Then how is it that Nails is still walking around but Bernie Madoff is rightfully rotting away in prison?
Looking forward to the Kevin Kolb era.
5-8-10...the day the Purdue Boilermakers basketball team won the 2011 NCAA Championship!!
Is Madoff in one of those ‘office space’ type prisons or one of those soft white collar criminal prisons?
And does he have any money left in his name?
by jemagee on Jun 30, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Third Option:
Goodfellas type prison
Preaching the Inglewood Jack
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jun 30, 2010 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Last I heard he was in a Federal Prison in North Carolina. To my understanding, it is not a soft prison at all.
And I don’t think he really has any money left in his name, but considering he is serving a life sentence then him having or not having money doesn’t really matter.
The point is, he stole a ton of money from a lot of people and is in jail where as Lenny stole a good amount of cash, and is walking around. At some point in the future he will probably end up in jail, if he doesn’t kill himself first.
Looking forward to the Kevin Kolb era.
5-8-10...the day the Purdue Boilermakers basketball team won the 2011 NCAA Championship!!
Ironic Quote of the century, by the way:
"F—k my victims," Madoff reportedly said. "I carried them for 20 years, and now I’m doing 150 years." He told other inmates that his only crime was taking money from those who were “rich and greedy and wanted more.”
Hey, at least Madoff gave Damages a third season story line
by jemagee on Jun 30, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
He DOES have something of a point there with the last part. If it’s too good to be true…
http://www.thegoodphight.com
While he may have had something of a point, it just shows his utter lack of remorse for what he did to his victims— people who trusted him far more than he should have been trusted, but still, people who he lied to and deceived in order to get their money from them. He (and Dykstra) disgust me and I hope both wind up rotting away in jail.
by dannijd on Jun 30, 2010 11:36 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
And today's lineup is....
Victorino- CF
Dobbs- 3b
Rollins- SS
Howard- 1b
Werth- RF
Ibanez- LF
Sardinha- C
Halladay- P
2B or not 2B...that is the question
Honor is no substitute for victory.
Hank Blalock just got DFA’d by the Rays… could we get him off waivers, he is certainly better than Dobbs.
I am sure there is a reason the Rays DFA’d him (although they DFA’d Pat the Bat, and last I heard he is doing just fine in San Fran…). Let’s wait and see what the injury report says after Utley and Polanco see the doctors today before setting out on the next round of Roster shuffle…
so far this year he has a .254/.319/.349 line which isn’t great though he has had success in the past.
Even if Polanco isn’t done for an extended period of time wouldn’t he be a big improvement for our bench… what would we have to give up to get him.
Much of his past success was a factor of Texas’ home park. Career .717 OPS on the road (.866 at home). See Ian Kinsler.
Nope. Contrary to the misperception...
CBP has been one of the fairest parks in all of baseball in terms of boosting scoring, particularly in recent years. Rangers Ballpark in Arlington is much more hitter-friendly, and has been especially helpful to certain hitters, Blalock and Kinsler among them.
Reasons:
Zobrist, Longoria, Pena, and their regular SS just got back. They have other infield-capable players. In a nutshell, they are not at the end of the Bataan death march.
Remember the Phitans
by RememberthePhitans on Jun 30, 2010 11:18 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yes. Unlike the Rays, the Phillies are still in the Bataan death march, and a body like Blalock may be useful. The Rays, conversely, are getting healthy. They’ve played poorly lately, but not because of injuries to infielders as far as I am aware.
Remember the Phitans
by RememberthePhitans on Jun 30, 2010 12:42 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
This don't sound good
Per Matt Gelb Chase Utley and Placido Polanco will get more opinions on their injuries in New York on Thursday. I think it is going to be a long time before we see either of them on a playing field again.
An interesting article on the Phillies Replacements and WAR
From Fangraphs: It would take approximately 40 games for Dobbs to cost the Phillies a win, but a mere 20 for the difference between having Chase Utley out there and Wilson Valdez to cost them a win.
The article assumes Dobbs regresses (upward) to the mean and has to speculate some on Valdez’s projections at 2B, since they only have him in CHONE as a SS, and not in ZiPS at all. The assumptions seem reasonable, so I’m not criticizing, just observing. It’s still accurate that the Utley to Valdez drop is steeper than the Polanco to Dobbs drop, but that doesn’t mean Dobbs is better than Valdez. I’d rather have Valdez at 3B and Dorta at 2B than Dobbs at 3B and Valdez at 2B.
Honor is no substitute for victory.
I think I have already said that I would rather have almost anyone but Dobbs at 3rd. The article does admit to a certain amount of speculation as to Valdez. I think the thing that surprised me was the fact that as bad as Dobbs is (and everything did say that he was pretty bad, although they are expecting a certain regression toward the mean with regular playing time and improved BABIP luck in the hitting department), losing Utley hurts more. I hope that we get both of them back soon, but I am starting to wonder whether all of the doctors visits are a case of simply they are not sure and they want to get it right, or whether this is going to be two more cases of spending two months or so on the 15 day DL.
For those with Satellite Radio, Charlie Manuel is going to be on their MLB Radio at 11:35.
True, but my point was more that losing Utley hurts a lot more than losing Polanco because of their relative values. Let’s say you replaced both with a Replacement Level Player (0.0 WAR). Utley’s average WAR is 5.26; a 0 WAR player would lose us an extra 1 game every 31 games. Polanco’s WAR for his career averages 2.74; a 0 WAR player would only lose 1 game every 59 games replacing him.*
This means a 0 WAR player would lose almost twice as many games replacing Utley as replacing Polanco; the Fangraphs article finds that Valdez will lose almost twice as many games replacing Utley as Dobbs will replacing Polanco. Logically, both Valdez and Dobbs are of approximately the same value, if Dobbs regresses to his average per the article.
*note: my number of games is higher because I’m looking at average WAR instead of what they’ve done this year
Honor is no substitute for victory.
It's hard to believe Harry, that Mark Grudzielanek is only 40.
The copy/paste function was helpful for this post.
Two of the best nights of my life.,,,October 21, 1980 and October 29, 2008.
One of the weirdest...October 1, 1970. I kept part of one of the seats.
I was in college in Boston in 1974 and when Clarke scored the OT goal in game 2 I knew that the Flyers would win the Cup since they would never lose at home.
Eureka!
Baez for Feliz!
Remember the Phitans
by RememberthePhitans on Jun 30, 2010 11:19 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Sanity check...
Go to this Fangraphs link, and sort the WAR column in ascending order:
http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&lg=nl&qual=y&type=6&season=2010&month=0
Not to say that he wouldn’t be the “least bad choice”.
No… Feliz has played so badly this year that he can not even start for the Astros… I do not know that he is enough fo an improvement over the current backup by committee, particularly considering that the Phillies would have to give something up to get him back.
Giving up Baez for, say, nothing might improve the Phillies.
Remember the Phitans
by RememberthePhitans on Jun 30, 2010 12:38 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Agreed… I was more unsure of whether bringing back Feliz (who I seem to remember as being better than he has been playing, although I must be wrong, considering that nobody else here likes him) is any better than just standing pat, as his numbers look really bad this year.
by dannijd on Jul 1, 2010 12:02 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Hey...
What’s not to like about Roy Halladay? Seems like a very likable guy than me. I still like and respect Lee, but Halladay is also a very likable pitcher.
I never said I didn’t like Roy Halladay, but his personality is much more robotic while Lee overall just seems like a more “fun” person. Probably “goofy lefty” syndrome, much love to Wheels.
http://www.thegoodphight.com
by WholeCamels on Jun 30, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Does anyone have a clue why I’m no longer blacked out of MLB.TV Phils broadcast at my home near the Art Museum, but still am at work in University City?
It does seem that my non-blackout is legit in that I get these wonky national-audience type commercials for shows on USA, home workout equipment and weekend-long umpiring clinics, rather than the usual “Commercial in Progress, we will rejoin the event shortly” splash screen.
My suspicion was that I am part of some “trial run” of a non-blackout agreement, but I can’t imagine they would provide different services to two sections of the city like that.
No way I’m being unwittingly routed through a proxy server either – my IP address places me smack dab in the middle of Philly.
Ideas?
Off topic, but...
I’ll ask here since many seem be to on — does anyone know of a fairly easy way to insert Excel graphs in a fan post?
sorry
I got your email before but I’m in kind of a hell week at work. To answer your question, I don’t know. Hopefully someone else here can help.
http://www.thegoodphight.com
by WholeCamels on Jun 30, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t know an ‘easy’ way to do it – the only way i could think of doing it is to convert it to a jpg – find a host for it – and then use the image link.
If you need help making the worksheet into a jpg – i can help you with that (might be able to give you a host space too if you need it) – just have someone here give you my email address
by jemagee on Jun 30, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
That doesn’t insert it into the fan post though does it? YOu need to click through to see the work sheet. I thought he was asking about embedding…
by jemagee on Jun 30, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, I want to embed, without having to click through. And I should have said I am fairly internet-stupid, not that I couldn’t learn…
Like I said, if you want to embed it – i think you have to convert it to a ‘picture’ file and host it somewhere (jpg, gif) and i’d be more than happy to do that for ya if you want…i have no idea what free open source stuff is out there to save an excel worksheet as a jpeg – i know gimp is out there but never really used it
by jemagee on Jun 30, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
The one time I did it, that’s what I did.
Have your excel graph open, hit “Print Screen” on pc. Open up paint.
Hit Paste (ctrl-v). Crop picture to just graph. Save as .bmp or .jpg. Upload to web. Link to picture.
I have no idea what any of those things mean
but i have a mac and photoshop – so that’s what i’d use :)
by jemagee on Jun 30, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
So just how fast is Happ really throwing the ball these days? The article didn’t say but it gave the impression that it may have been better than his first rehab starts but not up to his usual speed.
I don’t know, but with his current stats, I think the Kyle Kendrick era in the Phillies rotation may be a very long one, ending only if and when pitching is traded for… I hope I am wrong— I enjoyed watching Happ last year (the first time I went to CBP for a game he pitched a complete game shutout v. The Rockies). I know that a certain amount of his success was luck based, but I still think he would be a better option than Kendrick, and I wish he would be back on the mound in Philadelphia soon— but only once he is healthy enough to compete.
by dannijd on Jul 1, 2010 12:07 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
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