Les Miserables: Phillies at Cardinals Game Thread, July 22, 2010
by WholeCamels on Jul 22, 2010 2:15 PM EDT
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The Phillies close out this absolute atrocity of a four-game road series against the Cardinals with an afternoon game in St. Louis. And while the Phillies finally have one of their decent starters -- Cole Hamels -- getting the ball, he'll be opposed by now perennial Cy Young Award candidate Adam Wainwright, with his 2.02 ERA. Piece o' cake!
Discuss the game below. Try not to cry, or break things.
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Listening on the radio
for the first time in a while and thinking the same thing. Werth striking out with two outs and two men on really reminded me why I had been limiting myself to just checking the score.
"It was almost like if Harry didn't call it, it wasn't real." - Jayson Stark
SB Nation
by Chris Haines on Jul 22, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Who gets the Multi-run Homer(s) today. Hint…. It won’t be us.
I wasn't even a year old but I stayed up to be outside the Vet with my Dad and Mom when the Phillies won the World Series 1980.
hamels is pitching today we have a shot to win
by phillyeaglesfan on Jul 22, 2010 2:21 PM EDT reply actions
bad stat to have
0-27 with 2 outs and risp
by sowhatifitisasportste on Jul 22, 2010 2:30 PM EDT reply actions
anyone think cole will make it through 7?
by sowhatifitisasportste on Jul 22, 2010 2:32 PM EDT reply actions
Wait, Jayson Werth struck out swinging with two men on base?
You’ve got to be kidding me, right? I mean, that like NEVER happens.
Werth for McLouth and a PTBNL.
But seriously, I’d love for the Braves to get him if he can play LF. But I know it’d take a crazy package since it’s inner division trading.
Alright Cole you want run support here’s your chance
by sowhatifitisasportste on Jul 22, 2010 2:42 PM EDT reply actions
Every time I see him with a bat in his hand I miss Chase a little bit more
by sowhatifitisasportste on Jul 22, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Just like every time I saw Kendrick on the mound all I thought about was “This could have been Cliff Lee”
by sowhatifitisasportste on Jul 22, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
No, I find Chris Wheeler refreshingly different and quite entertaining
I am frequently surprised by all the Wheeler vitriol I see around here.
How about trading Domonic Brown + some other prospects for Haren?
Might not be too bad. Brown can’t possibly help this season, and you need a pitcher worse than you need anything else.
This would be the obvious course of action if we knew that an asteroid were going to destroy all human life this winter.
I knew you’d like that suggestion.
Remember the Phitans
by RememberthePhitans on Jul 22, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
well, if you believe the Mayan prophecy, that’s in 2012. Maybe RAJ’s a believer…
by Boundforbeach on Jul 22, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Week on/week off, with alternating major holidays?
Remember the Phitans
by RememberthePhitans on Jul 22, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
How the hell did Molina make the ASG?
Remember the Phitans
by RememberthePhitans on Jul 22, 2010 2:50 PM EDT reply actions
New trade idea:
Domonic Brown + Jayson Werth to the Cubs for Carlos Zambrano.
Light a fire under Charlie Manuel and this bullpen. Need a fiery guy like Zambrano.
Happ’s career ERA is 3.07. His career xFIP is 4.61. Dump him on some dimwitted GM cough Ed Wade cough before his ERA starts to regress.
The problem is that with him coming off an injury right now, his value is going to be lower than his true value. If we were going to sell him, the time was before the injury.
His true value, though is a fifth starter. The only thing worse than trading him coming off an injury is letting him pitch and exposing his true talent level.
No.
First of all, his sample size is not large enough to conclude that his true value is as a fifth starter. It is possible that he can improve on the luck-neutral stats that he has posted so far in his career, in which he has thus far started only 30 games. Some of his minor league stats suggest that this is possible.
Second, your logic is wrong. Even if we were to agree for the sake of argument that his true value is as a fifth starter, it still doesn’t mean we should trade him if we can’t get a fifth starter’s price for him – more than that, the price of a fifth starter with five cost-controlled years remaining before free agency.
I’m not saying trade him for the sake of trading him. I think his perceived value right now is higher than his actual value, so if we can get a good return for him then by all means pull the trigger.
Maybe it is, maybe it isn’t. I think you are underestimating his actual value, and I don’t think either of us have any idea what his perceived value is.
I don’t get why people are so against trading him. He has value, I’ll give you that, but I would trade him in a heartbeat if it meant improving the club.
I think I made it clear that I am not against trading him. What I object to is your logic and your estimate of his value. Don’t resort to straw men.
I wasn’t referring to you, but other commenters (e.g. “I don’t want to give up Happ” in the conversation above this one.). I could be wrong, but I suspect there are teams out there that will only look at his ERA and overvalue him. If that’s not the case, then I agree that he shouldn’t be traded.
Ok.
What I want to stop is people saying stuff like “we should dump Happ” or “we should get what we can for Happ,” without any facts about any specific offers. No, we should just trade him if and only if a good offer presents itself. Just because a player has outperformed his peripherals doesn’t mean that just any trade you put him in will necessary be a good one.
Well before this recent spat of tennis elbow, he suffered the same tennis elbow in 2007 which he played with tthe entire season. The length of his recent rehab considering this history doesn’t bode well. He has also suffered an oblique strain in the minors which he reinjured again last season. He is a chronic DLer in the making.
I’m not one to believe in hexes. But hey, if the next batter homers off him, I’ll take the blame. I somehow doubt, though, that through all the perfect games and no hitters in history, not a single person mentioned at the time what was happening.
by Baseball Nerd on Jul 22, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Remember when, there was a time early in this season
when we thought that Cole Hamels returning to 2008 form was the only major concern for this team?
Ahhhh. Seems like ages ago.
Alright Polly Lets get another 8 pitch atbat
by sowhatifitisasportste on Jul 22, 2010 2:54 PM EDT reply actions
why hasn’t the pitcher been anounced …. cause nobody knows
by sowhatifitisasportste on Jul 22, 2010 2:57 PM EDT reply actions
Anytime, my friend. Just call me Mr. Optimism.
by Baseball Nerd on Jul 22, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Well as of now I suppose. I still wouldn’t discount guys like Lincecum and Carpenter, and Garcia is also way up there. Really the entire Cardinals staff except maybe Hawksworth is very very good.
by Baseball Nerd on Jul 22, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Don’t leave out Jimenez. He’s had a couple of bad starts lately, but the guy has been a beast.
Win and win some more...
Don’t get me wrong, he’s very, very good as well. But I still think Josh Johnson has been more consistently good throughout the year, and as you mention Ubaldo has had some more human starts recently. While I like Ubaldo a lot, I wouldn’t rate him above either Wainwright or Carpenter, and certainly not with Johnson. His reputation is inflated by his W-L record, which is more indicative of the run support he has gotten. The NL has a lot of great pitchers this year, and it is hard to rank them all because a lot of them are very good.
by Baseball Nerd on Jul 22, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Not trying to butt in here, but if you’re talking about Cy Young favorites, that’s one thing. If you’re actually talking about “best pitcher on the NL,” then the discussion essentially includes Halladay, Strasburg, Lincecum, Johnson and Wainwright — and ends there.
by PhillyFriar on Jul 22, 2010 3:57 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Whoops, forgot Ubaldo. And I guess Carpenter goes hand-in-hand with Wainwright.
Personally though, it’s still Halladay for me, though I would entertain an argument on Strasburg’s behalf.
by PhillyFriar on Jul 22, 2010 4:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Every GM in baseball should have a huge sign taped to the walls of their office that reads
“YOU CAN NEVER HAVE ENOUGH PITCHING”
How well did that work out for Bobby Cox?
Honor is no substitute for victory.
Pretty well, actually.
Remember the Phitans
by RememberthePhitans on Jul 22, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Lots of division titles. One ring. My opinion was and is that they were too deep in pitching, and sacrificed offense to have the Maddux/Glavine/Smoltz/Avery/#5-that-would-be-#3-elsewhere rotation.
Honor is no substitute for victory.
This is a complicated story, actually, as I was living in the Atlanta area during this time. In large part it had to do with their overrating their minor league talent, especially the non-pitchers (most notably, Ryan Klesko). This happened again in 2005 (I think it was) when all those rookies were called up. Only McCann remains.
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Homer's Epics: An Odyssey for the Salary Cap, The Quest For the Goalie Grail
I don’t know about carrying the team, as the team pretty much sucks, but he is one of the few consistently producing.
Looking forward to the Kevin Kolb era.
5-8-10...the day the Purdue Boilermakers basketball team won the 2011 NCAA Championship!!
Good idea werth go down 0-2 so that the hit is more dramatic
by sowhatifitisasportste on Jul 22, 2010 3:08 PM EDT reply actions
Too bad we alrady used up Brian’s hit for today
by sowhatifitisasportste on Jul 22, 2010 3:11 PM EDT reply actions
Good thing there’s already two outs, otherwise we could see the Exxon Special.
by Baseball Nerd on Jul 22, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
3 actually
Looking forward to the Kevin Kolb era.
5-8-10...the day the Purdue Boilermakers basketball team won the 2011 NCAA Championship!!
I would rather it be scoreless then watch home run derby
by sowhatifitisasportste on Jul 22, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Depends who is hitting the dingers!
by dannijd on Jul 22, 2010 7:09 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
They need thier rainbow hair and big shoes
by sowhatifitisasportste on Jul 22, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Does Lopes hand our runners blind folds when they get to first base?
Looking forward to the Kevin Kolb era.
5-8-10...the day the Purdue Boilermakers basketball team won the 2011 NCAA Championship!!
6 hits 0 runs….. i’m discusted at thsi team
by sowhatifitisasportste on Jul 22, 2010 3:29 PM EDT reply actions
Why score when you can admire the stadium from different angles?
by Baseball Nerd on Jul 22, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I just saw the replay on the Polanco pickoff. Wasn’t clear if he really was out. What was clear is that it was a very strange slide by Polly.
Yes I am old. I remember the Phils good old days and their bad old days. Course, the good old days I'm thinking of were in 2009.
Homer's Epics: An Odyssey for the Salary Cap, The Quest For the Goalie Grail
I feel like I’m watching 28 Days Later and the Phillies are infected.
"F#$% [player]!" --FuquaManuel
Poor Cole. We all know how this is going to end.
by PhillyFriar on Jul 22, 2010 3:32 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I wish T-Mac would go and announce for his beloved Mets. Friggin jinx.
Looking forward to the Kevin Kolb era.
5-8-10...the day the Purdue Boilermakers basketball team won the 2011 NCAA Championship!!
That catch may have extended cole’s stay on the mound by an inning
by sowhatifitisasportste on Jul 22, 2010 3:36 PM EDT reply actions
Crowd is booing that’s good for us
by sowhatifitisasportste on Jul 22, 2010 3:36 PM EDT reply actions
Why does Werth have to show up his teammate like that? Let Victorino have his glory, A-hole. Trade Werth now.
Unfortunately, there’s no escape from reality.
by Baseball Nerd on Jul 22, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Well that’s just it…we have been hitting! Just not scoring. Lots of stranded runners today.
by Baseball Nerd on Jul 22, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Chuck’s about 1 Valdez DP away from a heart atack
by sowhatifitisasportste on Jul 22, 2010 4:00 PM EDT reply actions
Yeah, but he’s still just faced the minimum.
by Baseball Nerd on Jul 22, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Who is this Cole Hamels? I like the cut of his jib!
Remember the Phitans
by RememberthePhitans on Jul 22, 2010 4:08 PM EDT reply actions
What scares me...
…is imagine if this were Oswalt pitching for us, after a trade had been made. Then we’d be saying, “Look how awesome he was – our offense still can’t do shit though.”
Officially a double and an error. But hey, he’s on third nonetheless! SCORE HIM GOD DAMNIT!
by Baseball Nerd on Jul 22, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m going to the game on Sunday. I’m gonna do an 8-ball before I get there. Should be a blast.
"F#$% [player]!" --FuquaManuel
Damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn, damn,
Who the fuck cares? We’re not winning the division this year, barring an ’07 type miracle.
"F#$% [player]!" --FuquaManuel
I guess it’s okay to care, but maybe you shouldn’t expect anything. Eagles start up soon enough, should be an interesting season.
"F#$% [player]!" --FuquaManuel
Hell of a performance by Cole here today. He’s not going to deserve the L that is going to inevitably be hanging around his neck in a few minutes.
we need to talk shit about what a fat slob he is last time we did that the fatass from the yankees fell apart
by sowhatifitisasportste on Jul 22, 2010 4:22 PM EDT reply actions
it worked
just calling him a fatass on the blog
by sowhatifitisasportste on Jul 22, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Cole deserves so much better than this.
Looking forward to the Kevin Kolb era.
5-8-10...the day the Purdue Boilermakers basketball team won the 2011 NCAA Championship!!
We have hope. Howard is only on first base.
by Baseball Nerd on Jul 22, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Man
For Werth this must be terrible. He’s slumping. People mention the contract year. He must think, “I need to perform well.” Then he puts more pressure on himself and sucks even more. He looks horrific out there.
He looks like he isn’t seeing the ball well. Some of the pitches he’s swinging at our downright ugly.
by Baseball Nerd on Jul 22, 2010 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Ugh. Sub “are” for “our.” Embarrassing.
by Baseball Nerd on Jul 22, 2010 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I feel bad
Because he’s one of my favorite players, and I want him to do well wherever
by FearTheTurtIe on Jul 22, 2010 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions
by which i mean i hope he turns it around, for the Phils sake as well as his own
by FearTheTurtIe on Jul 22, 2010 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I wonder if Amaro is listening to any offers for Rollins at this point. If someone put together a decent package, I wouldn’t hang up the phone.
Actually, at this point, there is no one on the current roster that I would deem untouchable.
perhaps they could get a couple of bats, a pitching machine, and some Applebees giftcards for him
by FearTheTurtIe on Jul 22, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
He is the biggest reason this team is slumping in my opinion, other than missing utley. He needs to find his mojo again.
Ah. Gamecast still says Hamels. Woops.
by Baseball Nerd on Jul 22, 2010 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
If we had Cliff Lee still
He clearly would have had a homerun there, and then gone out and finished the ninth with three pitches
Cole Hamels
9 inning incomplete game? 10 inning complete game? Pull him at the first sign of trouble?
Every time I think this team has already bottomed out…
(I know, it hasn’t happened yet. Just wait.)
by PhillyFriar on Jul 22, 2010 4:37 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
There’s definitely some serious dysentery in the ranks right now.
by PhillyFriar on Jul 22, 2010 4:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
(I cheated… had to watch the video.)
by PhillyFriar on Jul 22, 2010 4:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Why is Romero up? I can’t imagine you’ll run into a situation where he’s a better option than Madson.
by PhillyFriar on Jul 22, 2010 4:39 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
This may not be very scientific
But it does seem like we’re doing an awful lot of swinging at first pitches? Sorry if this was mentioned before.
Please, Ross. Do something good.
2005 Chicago White Sox. 2006 Chicago Rush. 2008 Philadelphia Phillies. 2009-10 Chicago Blackhawks. CHAMPIONS.
News
Baseball will start testing for HGH in the Minor Leagues. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/23/sports/baseball/23doping.html?hp
Ouchy...
Thanks for rubbing the salt on the wound Jayson. As if we didn’t already know this.
Cliff walking: If the Phillies do pull off a Roy Oswalt trade, they might find themselves at the news conference answering more questions about this past winter’s Cliff Lee deal than the trade they just made.
But when other teams look back on that deal, they don’t just ask: “Why’d the Phillies trade that guy?” They ask: “Why didn’t they shop him around and get a better package back?”
“If they’d done that [and dangled him to multiple clubs], they’d have gotten a much better return,” one AL executive said. “I still don’t understand why they just dealt with one team [i.e., Seattle]. I know I’ve talked to a number of teams that have said, ‘We would have loved the opportunity to get Cliff Lee, and we would have given them a much better package than Seattle did. But we were never given that opportunity.’”
We’ve surveyed quite a few baseball people since Lee was traded to Texas. And it’s been unanimous that the package the Phillies got back for him didn’t match what either Cleveland or Seattle got.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=stark_jayson&page=rumblings100722
I think the package they got from seattle is better than the one they gave cleveland.
by PhilsForever on Jul 22, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with all of that, no doubt in my mind this team would have gotten a better package for Lee if they had waited but Amaro clearly felt it was better to deal Lee when he did. Either because he wanted to take attention away from the trade by flashing the new guy Roy in front of everyone, or because ownership asked that he trade Lee when he did so that fans didn’t get used to the idea of a trio of Doc, Lee and Hamels. From a PR perspective I totally get it, but from a baseball perspective, what Ruben did, or rather when and how he did it was absolutely wrong. I get trading away Lee, I don’t like it, but I get it. The timing of it is what bothers me.
Looking forward to the Kevin Kolb era.
5-8-10...the day the Purdue Boilermakers basketball team won the 2011 NCAA Championship!!
what really grinds my gears is the quote that other teams would have been interested but were never given the chance…
by Boundforbeach on Jul 22, 2010 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Whats funny is by trying to pull a PR move (allegedly) they just compounded it into a worse PR situation now
by Sept.28.Oct.27.Dec.28.2008 on Jul 22, 2010 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions
They went into to the winter meetings crying poor about their budget like a bunch of amateurs. Halladay trade happens. Everyone no knows Lee has to go. No leverage.
Yes, but leverage would have been easy to re-establish by not trading Lee right away and just sounding off about how obtaining Hallday for the season changes their approach and they hope to keep Lee unless the right package is presented to them. The opportunity for a 3rd world series appearance yada yada yada
Spin is spin, and leverage can be reversed
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 22, 2010 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Is anyone else up, or is Charlie really going to leave Romero in for Pujols and Holliday?
"F#$% [player]!" --FuquaManuel
I don’t understand why all the hate for Durbin. He may not be great, but has been one of our most consistent relievers. If not the most consistent.
Looking forward to the Kevin Kolb era.
5-8-10...the day the Purdue Boilermakers basketball team won the 2011 NCAA Championship!!
Polancoooooooooo
2005 Chicago White Sox. 2006 Chicago Rush. 2008 Philadelphia Phillies. 2009-10 Chicago Blackhawks. CHAMPIONS.
Figures…I go to let the dog out and miss the home run.
Looking forward to the Kevin Kolb era.
5-8-10...the day the Purdue Boilermakers basketball team won the 2011 NCAA Championship!!
Pitching change in the middle of the at-bat? Weird.
2005 Chicago White Sox. 2006 Chicago Rush. 2008 Philadelphia Phillies. 2009-10 Chicago Blackhawks. CHAMPIONS.
Wait
LaRussa makes a pitching change with the count 1-1. This might be stupid, but I didn’t think that was possible.
I think the only time I’ve ever seen it before is if the pitcher got hurt.
2005 Chicago White Sox. 2006 Chicago Rush. 2008 Philadelphia Phillies. 2009-10 Chicago Blackhawks. CHAMPIONS.
I thought that was the only time it was allowed— that if the pitcher is physically able, he has to pitch.
clearly, because LaRussa is so clever and such a good manager, he can do it
by FearTheTurtIe on Jul 22, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Nah, I remember last year when Olly Perez was having a terrible start, he was pulled in the middle of pitching to Pedro Martinez I think.
by philsandthrills on Jul 22, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions
If Cholly were to retire or be fired, would RAJ hire LaRussa?
Imagine the double-smug-fest.
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Homer's Epics: An Odyssey for the Salary Cap, The Quest For the Goalie Grail
Jayson!!! Moar $$$$!!!
Yes I am old. I remember the Phils good old days and their bad old days. Course, the good old days I'm thinking of were in 2009.
Homer's Epics: An Odyssey for the Salary Cap, The Quest For the Goalie Grail
He wasn’t the only one.
Looking forward to the Kevin Kolb era.
5-8-10...the day the Purdue Boilermakers basketball team won the 2011 NCAA Championship!!
i thought i heard, ‘i never get blackjack! oh wait, i’m in a game right now…’
by PHIGHTINPHILS on Jul 22, 2010 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m not. No sense in switching your catcher up for what should be half an inning.
Looking forward to the Kevin Kolb era.
5-8-10...the day the Purdue Boilermakers basketball team won the 2011 NCAA Championship!!
But this is what it was like in 2008 and 2009. We are still having the same percentage of players cross the plate after getting on. Fewer getting on.
Yes I am old. I remember the Phils good old days and their bad old days. Course, the good old days I'm thinking of were in 2009.
Homer's Epics: An Odyssey for the Salary Cap, The Quest For the Goalie Grail
That would require the Scarecrow to have a brain. After last night’s debacle with Blanton, further proof that he does not.
I think it is simply that Cholly is not very good with PH decisions. It was easier when Dobbs was having that all-world 2008 year.
Yes I am old. I remember the Phils good old days and their bad old days. Course, the good old days I'm thinking of were in 2009.
Homer's Epics: An Odyssey for the Salary Cap, The Quest For the Goalie Grail
A WIN and a LIDGE SAVE
Yes I am old. I remember the Phils good old days and their bad old days. Course, the good old days I'm thinking of were in 2009.
Homer's Epics: An Odyssey for the Salary Cap, The Quest For the Goalie Grail
Winnah!!
2005 Chicago White Sox. 2006 Chicago Rush. 2008 Philadelphia Phillies. 2009-10 Chicago Blackhawks. CHAMPIONS.
That just happened!
Looking forward to the Kevin Kolb era.
5-8-10...the day the Purdue Boilermakers basketball team won the 2011 NCAA Championship!!
The last game the Phillies won was a Hamels start, too. Hmm.
2005 Chicago White Sox. 2006 Chicago Rush. 2008 Philadelphia Phillies. 2009-10 Chicago Blackhawks. CHAMPIONS.
I’m more interested in the bullpen list….Madson, Romero, Durbin, Lidge. Switch Madson and Durbin and it sounds quite familiar (that would be good news).
Yes I am old. I remember the Phils good old days and their bad old days. Course, the good old days I'm thinking of were in 2009.
Homer's Epics: An Odyssey for the Salary Cap, The Quest For the Goalie Grail
One hitter, and weirdly I still feel pissed after this game.
"F#$% [player]!" --FuquaManuel
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