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Some Phillies Links for You, July 23, 2010: "Uncle!" Milt, Of Dan and Roy, End of Moyer?

Is elbow injury the end for the long career of Jamie Moyer? - Big League Stew
If this is really it, Jamie... thank you. All the ups and downs, it's been real.

Baseball Prospectus | Ahead in the Count: Buyers and Sellers
The latest from Apostate Good Phighter Matt Swartz, on who should and shouldn't be "buying" at the deadline. Scoop: Phillies should sell. Subscription required.

Potential Trade Impact: Werth, Oswalt, Haren | FanGraphs Fantasy Baseball
They still think Roy Oswalt is coming here. We'll see.

Oswalt needs to drop demands
Yeah you're right, you should always leave $16MM on the table, what was I thinking?

Haren wants to stay, build winner in Arizona
The platitudes. Please, welcome to Philadelphia, where a (sort of) winner is pre-built for you!

Source: Arizona Diamondbacks' Dan Haren more likely to be traded

According to various reports, the Phillies, Yankees, Twins and Cardinals are among the teams pursuing Haren.

Phillies fire hitting coach Milt Thompson
Milt is a classy guy, but ultimately we don't know what was going on in the clubhouse/dugout and how that translated onto the field. Good luck, Mr. Thompson.

Naylor soars as R-Phils fly past Aeros

"My whole career, that's what I've been trying to do," Naylor said. "I'm not going to have the overpowering stuff Vance (Worley, who was promoted to Philadelphia Wednesday) might have. The way I'm going to get there is to eat up innings and try to go deep into games."

Wow. I like Vance Worley and think he's a solid prospect but "overpowering stuff" isn't exactly what comes to mind... All in all a great night on the Phillies' farm for pitchers (h/t taco pal, who compiled this in yesterday's game recap thread):

Brandon Duckworth – 5.2 IP, 3 H, 2 R, 2 ER, 4 BB, 11 K (!)

Drew Naylor – 8.0 IP, 4 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 2 BB, 5 K

Austin Hyatt – 6.1 IP, 4 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 2 BB, 8 K

Trevor May – 6.0 IP, 4 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 2 BB, 6 K

David Buchanan – 6.0 IP, 4 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 2 BB, 5 K

Brown still isn't an option for Phillies outfield

"What trade talk?" Werth said when asked prior to Thursday’s game. "I have other things going on, you know. My focus isn’t to go home, go on mindless blog sites, watch TV. I watch TV, but I haven’t heard. Whatever I’m watching isn’t talking about that, that’s for sure."

Would we be considered "mindless"?

Blood testing for HGH to begin in baseball minors
I guess this is a good step? I'm pretty ignorant as to the details all around on the issue, but I wonder if this doesn't just open a can of worms.

Paul Hagen: Phillies' prescription: Trade Ibanez
LOLOLOLOLLOLOLOL

Sam Donnellon: Are Phillies owners tying Amaro's hands?
Maybe? I do think the money could have been spent a little better, though.

 

New York Mets scoreless streak reaches 17 consecutive innings in 2-0 shutout loss to Dodgers
There but for the grace of God... From our Old Friend Andy Martino!

Star-divide

2-0 2-0 Hindsight Finds Winning Formula For Dodgers - True Blue LA
The Mets drop the game 2-0 to the Dodgers and Hiroki Kuroda. If only it were the Mets we were chasing in the division, I'd be happier right now. For now, we're both just disappointing also-rans.

Braves Pound Padres 8-0 Behind Alex Gonzalez and Tim Hudson - Talking Chop
Urge to kill... rising...

And finally, a new-ish feature on the site, your Neat Video of the Day!


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In former Phillies news, Juan Samuel had a pretty tremendous rant/ejection at last night’s O’s game. Rec’d for tantrums.

by Trev223 on Jul 23, 2010 8:42 AM EDT reply actions  

this is why no ones hates Jim Joyce

he admitted he was wrong and appologized.

Kolb - a heavy medieval war club with a spiked or flanged metal head, used to crush armor - Wikipedia of course
I've been waiting my whole life for an Eagles Championship
RIP JJ

by sports00fan00 on Jul 23, 2010 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Let's say Moyer's out for the year.

Our pitching staff looks like this:

Roy Halladay – needs run support
Cole Hamels – same as above, & is pitching lights out now
Blanton – had a good start last game up until they didn’t take him out
Kendrick – Dr. Kendrick or Mr. Kyle
JA Happ – Pitching better mechanically but not effectively.

Unless 1 of the bottom three turns into a solid starter, we need to do something. I’m all for a trade, but am not willing to give up the farm & worried, if we trade Werth, about the Right handed bat in the middle of the order (Put Chooch hitting 5th)

Kolb - a heavy medieval war club with a spiked or flanged metal head, used to crush armor - Wikipedia of course
I've been waiting my whole life for an Eagles Championship
RIP JJ

by sports00fan00 on Jul 23, 2010 8:42 AM EDT reply actions  

Don’t all pitchers need run support?

by SportingFanaticism on Jul 23, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, but the difference between winning and losing for Halladay and Hamels is run support— and they do not even need much of it. Further, there is really not much that either could do to improve their game that is going to bring them more wins— it really only comes down to doing what they are capable of and getting run support.

When you get below Hamels (Blanton, Kendrick, and Happ), there are things that all three need in addition to run support. Blanton needs to pitch in much the way that he pitched Thursday night (and for management to be smart enough to pull him prior to the eighth inning regardless of pitch count or at least have someone ready to put in at the first sign of trouble if they are going to tempt fate). Kendrick needs consistency— he can not expect to get the number of runs in support that are necessary when he has a meltdown. Happ needs to return to form, or again he is going to need an unreasonable amount of run support to survive.

by dannijd on Jul 23, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

couldn’t have said it better myself

Kolb - a heavy medieval war club with a spiked or flanged metal head, used to crush armor - Wikipedia of course
I've been waiting my whole life for an Eagles Championship
RIP JJ

by sports00fan00 on Jul 23, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

how does Chollie really not understand by now that Cookies needs to come out after 7 regardless, or after 6 if he’s been marginal?

by Bilzo on Jul 23, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

No clue.

by dannijd on Jul 23, 2010 4:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

He may remembering last year, when Blanton had a 1.96 ERA in innings 7-9. In both 2007 and 2008 he was about the same in late innings as in the rest of the game.

by schmenkman on Jul 23, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

In other words, he hasn’t had a late-inning problem in recent years, and I’m not sure I would change the way I use him based on the 7.1 late innings he had so far this year before this last game (now 8.1). Now, I’m not saying that Manuel based his decision on all this, but if he had, the data would have supported his decision to leave him in.

by schmenkman on Jul 23, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

ignoring the bulk of his performances this year seems like bad management or wishful thinking. There’ve been a few blowouts where Chollie was able to give Cookies a chance to go deeper, and in those instances he’s still had to pull him out.

by Bilzo on Jul 23, 2010 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Unless you see some mechanical degradation or other visible signs of loss of effectiveness as he reaches the 7th and later, I can’t see letting the results of eight innings of work this season be the deciding factor over the other 80-odd innings this year and much more over the last couple of seasons. It’s not like his pitch counts have been high when he’s been allowed to pitch into the late innings in general.

Seems to me the problem is not having a quick enough hook when he gets into trouble, rather than failing to pull him before he has a chance.

by phatj on Jul 23, 2010 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Trading Ibanez

….was that article for real?

by RucanorX on Jul 23, 2010 8:49 AM EDT reply actions  

Wow, I hope not. I can’t believe that he thinks the Mariners have any interest in Ibanez this year, and that a team obsessed with outfield defense would get Ibanez. Is he hitting like a DH now? C’mon! I was on the trade Ibanez train a couple months ago, and if they get someone to eat even 1/4 of his contract, I’d do it, but it seems like there’s just no way. His slump has just lasted too long.

by Matt Swartz on Jul 23, 2010 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hagen is quick to jump on the average semi-informed fan for playing Fantasy manager. Maybe this is like those dog owners who look like their dogs phenomenon at work.

by j reed on Jul 23, 2010 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Our blogger emeritus...

…does a great job of explaining mathematically why feels like the most logical move at this point is the right one.

That is to say, Werth should certainly be dangled, but should only really be dealt if he’s bringing back pieces that will help in 2011 and beyond. At the optimistic “hedging your bets” end of that spectrum is my pipe dream trade of Werth+ for Haren; at the other end is simply dealing Werth for prospects. But if the club does pursue the latter course, it obviously has to be for prospects superior to the two compensatory picks they’d get for Werth leaving.

Also — and we might need to throw the Matt S bat signal up for this one — I’m curious to see what subtracting a 4.5 win player (i.e. Werth) does to the Phillies’ playoff odds. That thinking has to fit into the equation somehow; I mean, however unlikely the Phils’ playoff chances are right now, some consideration at least needs to be given to the fact that the clock is ticking for the current core, and even the small boost that Werth’s presence provides as far as playoff odds could outweigh the difference between the prospect return on him and the compensation picks he’d garner.

Yikes, I think I just talked in a circle. That make sense to anyone?

by PhillyFriar on Jul 23, 2010 9:04 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Right now with yesterday’s games, our odds are about 15%. Subtract a 4.5-win player and they fall to about 7%; subtract a 4.5 win player but replace with a 2-win player and they got to 10%. That’s why I think you wait to see how this week plays out. Hence, the “hold” status, but certainly don’t go trading for an ace unless you get a ridiculous deal. I love me some Dan Haren, ridiculously underrated pitcher, but unless they can sneak off w/ him and in some way keep Dom Brown, I’m skeptical. Happ + Werth in a 3-way trade, maybe that would do it, but I bet someone would beat it. And it wouldn’t be worth it otherwise.

by Matt Swartz on Jul 23, 2010 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for that.

Agreed re: Haren, which is why I keep referring to it as my pipe dream. Still, if Werth could be flipped for the right pieces, I’d even kick in Happ and Cosart to get Haren and Chad Qualls. Sincerely doubt that Amaro is that creative, though.

What absolutely cannot happen, under any circumstances, is Amaro making a move just for the sake of making a move, i.e. mortgaging the future for Oswalt, or dumping Werth for 70 cents on the dollar out of an irrational fear of the arbitration process.

by PhillyFriar on Jul 23, 2010 10:12 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

“is Amaro making a move just for the sake of making a move”

DO SOMETHING! Oh, wait…he already fired Milt Thompson, that notorious clubhouse cancer.

Sometimes the hardest part of any job/business is to…do nothing, especially when everyone is urging you to do something. Wait and see is often a very viable, if under-appreciated, strategy. It’s hard to bill for in my profession, but it often works.

Remember the Phitans

by RememberthePhitans on Jul 23, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Alright, so which one of you guys is really Jayson Werth?

by taco pal on Jul 23, 2010 9:44 AM EDT reply actions  

LUZINSKI! [ba-dum tish] [laugh track]

by taco pal on Jul 23, 2010 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sam Donnellon is always wrong about everything.

by taco pal on Jul 23, 2010 9:51 AM EDT reply actions  

But he makes up for it by delivering the information in a completely obnoxious, typical Philly fan stereotype kind of way.

Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est.

by doubleh on Jul 23, 2010 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Matt Rizzotti: likes reading books, listening to John Mayer; dislikes getting slapped.

by taco pal on Jul 23, 2010 10:03 AM EDT reply actions  

match.com, baby.

Remember the Phitans

by RememberthePhitans on Jul 23, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

moyer

You know what – if I’m Jamie and it turns out that I need Tommy John, I go for it. Why not? What else is he going to do with the extra time? Collect bottles of wine? I know rehab is hard, but it’s less of a time commitment than being a player. He can take a major league minimum salary for one or two years, have the team cover his medical expenses, work with the training staff 9 to 5 every day, be a quasi-assistant pitching coach on homestands, stay home on road trips, and see where it all leads. I mean, he’s come this far, and being a full-time rehabber isn’t going to keep him away from his family too much. Why not find out what happens?

by taco pal on Jul 23, 2010 10:27 AM EDT reply actions  

I know Jamie is very involved in his charitable foundation, but I think there’s enough time in a day to both rehab and do charity work.

by taco pal on Jul 23, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

I like your idea… Now all that he needs is a team willing to pay the league minimum to bring him back knowing that there is a chance (possibly a good one, all things considered) that he will never pitch competitively again.

by dannijd on Jul 23, 2010 10:42 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

The major league minimum is $400,000. Teams piss that away in their sleep. It’s more likely that Moyer would reject the idea of taking the minimum than it is that neither the Phillies nor any other team would offer it to him. In any event, Moyer could even take a minor league contract if he was so inclined. It’s not like he needs the money.

by taco pal on Jul 23, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

True. I somehow thought that league minimum was higher (and possibly years of service based, making it potentially hefty for someone with Moyer’s years).

by dannijd on Jul 23, 2010 10:55 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Nope. I think Football has a floating Minimum, but in baseball it’s 400K regardless.

by Cormican on Jul 23, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

MINDLESS!

Liberty Ballers / Ridiculous Upside / @TAFKAMikeBourn

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by Michael Levin on Jul 23, 2010 11:22 AM EDT reply actions  

from the FOX news article

This is an interesting tidbit:


the Astros are not enamored with the Cardinals’ prospects, according to a source with close knowledge of the talks

Not sure if this encourages or panics me.

by Romero on Jul 23, 2010 12:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Clearly they didn’t include the middle relievers Mr Wade covets.

by Cormican on Jul 23, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

What about Felix Hernandez

He’s a good pitcher, Seattle out of it, & maybe we can give them their prospects from the lee trade back in order to get him. They’re rebuilding anyway

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I've been waiting my whole life for an Eagles Championship
RIP JJ

by sports00fan00 on Jul 23, 2010 1:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Sweet merciful crap, why would they do that?

If this is sarcastic, I apologize.

http://www.thegoodphight.com

by WholeCamels on Jul 23, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

So you're saying...

You don’t think the Mariners would do an Ibañez/Moyer/Aumont/Gillies/Ramirez for Felix/Pineda/Ackley swap? Or you do?

by PhillyFriar on Jul 23, 2010 1:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I wonder if Gillick could find a way to make that happen…

Dreams, such sweet dreams.

by PSUFlyers on Jul 23, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think we’d have to eat Milton Bradley’s contract. Let’s be sensible here.

by j reed on Jul 23, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn’t do it unless they included Smoak.

"F#$% [player]!" --FuquaManuel

by FuquaManuel on Jul 23, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I doubt Seattle is interested in selling him. While they are out of it for this year, I believe Hernandez is fairly young and under club control for several more years.

by dannijd on Jul 23, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

(snickering)

"F#$% [player]!" --FuquaManuel

by FuquaManuel on Jul 23, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

According to Olney on morning sportscenter – i’m taking a four day weekend

Diamondbacks make it clear they WILL trade Haren – Phillies, Tigers, Yankees, Cardinals all involved

Oswalt willing to renegotiate his option to make a trade work with the CARDINALS – no mention that he’d do the same for the phillies.

Dejesus was in play with many teams, giants and red sox he mentioned, but now out of play due to injury (werth to giants? They has good prospects right?)

No one wants the fat first baseman from Milwaukee

by SportingFanaticism on Jul 23, 2010 1:23 PM EDT reply actions  

 He’s a vegetarian isn’t he? They are always farting. Beans, so many beans. Like Mongo. You need alot of protein for that Tubb o’Soy. That’s alot hydrogen sulfide and methane in the confines of a dugout. Lots of dead carnaries.

by j reed on Jul 23, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Prince Fielder only pawn in game of life.

by Trev223 on Jul 23, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Prince Fielder like candy

by SportingFanaticism on Jul 23, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

i’m sure it’s racism. If he were a fat-white guy first baseman, teams would be knocking down the door for him

/Fm’d

by Bilzo on Jul 23, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

HA HA! Perfect impression.

"F#$% [player]!" --FuquaManuel

by FuquaManuel on Jul 23, 2010 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like this running gag.

by PhillyFriar on Jul 23, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

In other news, my obsession with trading for Haren...

…is reaching unhealthy levels.

Olney is saying that the D’backs are telling teams they’ll move him by the deadline, so it’s now or never to get a Top 15 pitcher on a team-friendly contract. And of the teams interested, nobody really truly has what Arizona is said to be looking for — young MLB-ready pitching (although the Twins with Gibson and Yankees with Phelps come closest to fitting the bill among interested suitors).

So no time like the present, Rube. Happ can go if Arizona’s interested (he sort of fits the bill), and there has to be a way to turn Werth (and an extra piece, if necessary) into the type of arm Arizona’s looking for.

Spitballing here: Werth and Mathieson to Tampa; Wade Davis, Happ and Rizzotti to Arizona. I think all three teams probably pull the trigger on that, yeah?

by PhillyFriar on Jul 23, 2010 1:33 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Don’t know about the other teams, but I sure would. With the proviso that Domonic Brown still can’t get promoted for at least another month.

by taco pal on Jul 23, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed. This is more a move for 2011 and 2012 than a win now move, and I’d approach the rest of the season with that mindset. In the event of any Werth trade, Brown should continue to play everyday in Lehigh Valley until September 1 — and then they can promote him.

by PhillyFriar on Jul 23, 2010 1:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

RAJ just made an old teammate fall on Smugcalibur to save face, what makes you think he won’t wait to bring Brown up if Werth goes. He sounds a bit more swayed by the public then perhaps the air of aloof integrity his Cap’n Smarmarvelous image suggests.

by j reed on Jul 23, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Unless of course the decision is not his for some reason

by j reed on Jul 23, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well Matheison is wasting away. Still would like to keep him so how’s about Bastardo and a fringy A ball guy.

by j reed on Jul 23, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I should clarify. All of this is premised on the idea that Arizona undervalues Haren to an extent — which I honestly think is true, with all the noises about his substantial remaining contract and wanting to move him before the deadline. In no way, shape or form would I take this deal if I were the Arizona front office.

As for specifics, I think the Phils will need to give up Werth+ to get the type of young arm Arizona wants, and that’s represented by Mathieson here. I’m not entirely averse to surrendering one of Cosart or Colvin either, but anything past that is where I draw the line.

Also, I think the third team almost needs to be Tampa, because no one else in the hunt for an outfielder really has the quality of young arm that Arizona’s likely to want, or if they do, they won’t deal him for Werth (e.g. Bumgarner from San Fran, Kelly from Boston).

by PhillyFriar on Jul 23, 2010 1:47 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I wonder if there’s a way to pry Upton loose from Tampa as part of the deal? He seems to have worn out his welcome, but I wouldn’t want to give up much to get him, just in case he never progresses.

by Cormican on Jul 23, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sounds like the Rays turned down a Werth-for-Upton swap straight up, so I don’t see any way it’d be possible to get Upton as part of a Haren deal.*

*Unless Amaro did something insane like put an ace lefty on the table. And Lord knows he’d never do that…

by PhillyFriar on Jul 23, 2010 2:52 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

NOOOOOOOOOO

by dannijd on Jul 23, 2010 2:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Stark on what the phillies want for werth.


It depends. What they want are young players with upside who are controllable beyond this year. They’ve asked for prospects — either to replenish the system or to spin in a pitching deal. But they’ve also taken a shot at Wade Davis and B.J. Upton. So a lot depends on what happens on the field the next few days, and whether they think they have a legit shot to get a pitcher.

by SportingFanaticism on Jul 23, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jayson Stark claims he’s heard the names of all 3 phillies starting outfielders being bandied about.

by SportingFanaticism on Jul 23, 2010 1:46 PM EDT reply actions  

NOOOOOO…. Leave Victorino alone!

by dannijd on Jul 23, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn’t mind him being traded if it was a good deal. He probably had more value last season though

by SportingFanaticism on Jul 23, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Doesn’t the loss of Victorino leave a bigger hole than the loss of Werth?

Also— interesting to note that Dom Brown has indeed played the last few games in LF, which is encouraging because it means that Mayberry has been playing in RF.

To me, this = good.

Good because it take it to mean that if Werth goes, his replacement will be Mayberry rather than Brown.

And/or this might also mean Ibanez could also go in a trade.

by Romero on Jul 23, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I believe the ibanez talks sort of start like this

RAJ – PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE trade for Raul Ibanez…i’ll be your best friend…PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEASE
Anonymous GM – Click

by SportingFanaticism on Jul 23, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

 RAJ needs a good long con to pass the contract off as small factory outlet for japanese guitars.

by j reed on Jul 23, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

this is annoyingly how my mother continues to pronounce his name. And trust me…she has no idea of what an ibanez guitar is.

by Bilzo on Jul 23, 2010 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Depends upon who you get back for Vic.Vic straight up for Upton (sorry, he’s stuck in my brain) would replace a starting CF with a starting CF. Upton would be a bit of a drop off if his bat doesn’t come around, but with his ceiling, could be a very valuable player (more than Vic) if he fulfills his potential.

by Cormican on Jul 23, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

FoxSports Report:

Out of the 5 teams after Haren: Phillies, Yankees, Cardinals, Tigers and Twins… apparently the Tigers and Twins are on the do not trade me there list

by Get A Grip on Jul 23, 2010 1:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Wow Haren not liking the Twins. Maybe he doesn’t want 2 months of winter ball each season now the new stadium is outside. And Detroit can be pretty damn cold some days in the early spring and fall. Well its also Detroit.

by j reed on Jul 23, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Philadelphia isn’t exactly a weather paradise either

by SportingFanaticism on Jul 23, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I knew the average temps in Oct. were very similar to ours but I went in a looked thru a couple years, day by day to see if you get any true nut shrivelers and suprising very stable temperature wise. April isn’t bad until you hit the middle of the month but average temps. in early april do dip below freezing alot. So really not that horrible.

by j reed on Jul 23, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe he’s sick of that friggin’ MLB The Show commercial.

by Cormican on Jul 23, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Probably.

Also, I think the accents would drive me nuts after a while, so maybe he feels the same way.

by taco pal on Jul 23, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well played, Taco Pal.

by Cormican on Jul 23, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

maybe the smell of fried fish makes him gag

by j reed on Jul 23, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

On a totally unrelated note because I don’t pay much attention to the American League, can someone explain what is up with Brandon Wood? Was it all just hype, is there something fixable that anaheim doesn’t notice…seems like an excellent buy low prospect?

by SportingFanaticism on Jul 23, 2010 2:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Damn, I typed up a long, well thought out reponse and got distracted by TP and replied to him, thereby erasing my posting equivalent to War and Peace. Since I’m way too lazy to do that again.

Wood = Overrated
Me = Cool with grabbing off the scrap heap to see if Cholly can fix him.

But, my god, his numbers are nightmarish this year, like Pitcher quality hitting numbers.

by Cormican on Jul 23, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just saying, on a team with no real future at 3rd base aside from the guy currently under contract, if this is a young kid who is still salvageable, they should look into it

by SportingFanaticism on Jul 23, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree. I’m all about buying high risk high reward washouts to see if they can pan out.

by Cormican on Jul 23, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

hot-corner long-shot

Cody Overbeck has adjusted to AA pitching, which is encouraging.

A long distance still to go, but it looks possible that Overbeck may be clearing one of the toughest hurdles (the jump from A to AA) at the moment.

by Romero on Jul 23, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh yeah, if we need a Werth replacement, Jeff Francoeur is available. I know how beloved he is here.

by SportingFanaticism on Jul 23, 2010 2:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Stuff!

"F#$% [player]!" --FuquaManuel

by FuquaManuel on Jul 23, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

FIP FIP FAP FAP

http://www.thegoodphight.com

by WholeCamels on Jul 23, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

The comparison I always make...

…is with Jason Knapp’s GCL debut back in ’08. Both local (and therefore, obviously cold weather) pitchers that the Phils reached for, at least by industry consensus.

Knapp (2008): 31.0 IP — 11.0 K/9 — 3.5 BB/9 — 0.29 HR/9 — 0.82 GO/AO — 2.33 FIP
Biddle (2010): 17.1 IP — 10.9 K/9 — 3.1 BB/9 — 1.04 HR/9 — 0.82 GO/AO — 3.20 FIP

Obviously insanely small sample sizes, but kind of eerie, no?

by PhillyFriar on Jul 23, 2010 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eerie yes— but I am not sure if this means that Biddle will be good or bad— I noticed that Knapp spent the later part of last year injured, but could not find anything about him other than previews for this year.

by dannijd on Jul 23, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rude.

"F#$% [player]!" --FuquaManuel

by FuquaManuel on Jul 23, 2010 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

People are often rude to their cats

by SportingFanaticism on Jul 23, 2010 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not a big Herb Alpert fan

Although the riff at 3:17 is in the beginning of Notorious BIG’s hypnotize, this captures my mood about the Phillies better, plus it is a magnificent performance by a truelegend/giant of jazz:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBoO0GMadAg

Remember the Phitans

by RememberthePhitans on Jul 23, 2010 3:39 PM EDT reply actions  

me neither

But the generally “Yacht Rock”-ish vibe of the song and video, combined with the “Hypnotize” sample, made me happy.

http://www.thegoodphight.com

by WholeCamels on Jul 23, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

‘’Yacht Rock’’ is a very funny.

by j reed on Jul 23, 2010 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks, that was a nice way to sit back and enjoy my lunch. That clarinet is so effing deep and wide. I have my dad’s old Marantz but I still have had the time to set up a decent place to appreciate the tubey goodness. This would sound amazing thru that amp.

by j reed on Jul 23, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

that should say

 I haven’t had the time to set it up

by j reed on Jul 23, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sidney Bechet, and especially Blue Horizon, tends to have a pretty neat effect on people. Sort of like a “2 Girls, 1 Cup” for the forces of good.

Remember the Phitans

by RememberthePhitans on Jul 23, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Two interesting items from MLBRumors:

Paul Hagen of the Philadelphia Daily News suggests that the Phillies should send Raul Ibanez back to Seattle. That’s a deal that wouldn’t interest the Mariners in the least.

MLBTradeRumors droppin some knowledge on Paul Hagen.

A source tells George A. King III of the New York Post that the Royals will listen on all of their players, including Zack Greinke.

Emphasis mine. Chum is in the water, release the sharks.

by Cormican on Jul 23, 2010 3:59 PM EDT reply actions  

It’s the post, and listening to offers doesn’t mean a guys on the market. I’m sure the phillies listen to offers on guys like Chase Utley and Ryan Howard, and then usually hang up the phone.

by SportingFanaticism on Jul 23, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can’t imagine they are getting any offers for Howard.

by Spoilt Victorian Child on Jul 23, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Of course they are. Straight up for Pujols.

by Cormican on Jul 23, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

No thanks

by dannijd on Jul 23, 2010 4:09 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

AAUUUGHHHHHHHHHH!!!! I’M DYIN’ HERE!!! /Bugs Bunny

http://www.thegoodphight.com

by WholeCamels on Jul 23, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Please tell me you are joking? I can’t really tell.

by EJL on Jul 23, 2010 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

The 2nd best player in baseball, when there are no thumb injuries.

by schmenkman on Jul 23, 2010 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

seriously….the guys name is pooh-holes. I don’t want someone whose defacto nickname should be rectums.

by Bilzo on Jul 23, 2010 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

i wanted to go with ani but thought that would be lost on most.

by Bilzo on Jul 23, 2010 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not anybody who has seen the Phantom Menace.

Remember the Phitans

by RememberthePhitans on Jul 24, 2010 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

All true, but once you say something like that specifically, it just opens up all kinds of reporters to speculate and fill up articles.

by Cormican on Jul 23, 2010 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

A source tells the new york post that the royals will listen on all of their players.

Is Zack Greinke a subset of all of the royals players?

I mean it’s been a while since I did sets and everything but all to me means all, so Greinke is already included in the statement.

And again, it’s the new york post, if a homeless guy told him this, he’d write it as a source

by SportingFanaticism on Jul 23, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t care who said it. My only point is now that it’s in print, I figure yahoos will start writing and talking on sports radio about. They have tons of time/pages to fill, so now that it’s out there I figure there’ll be a few articles.

by Cormican on Jul 23, 2010 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I enjoyed fangraphs listing Howard as one of the players with the most NEGATIVE trade value… He was a tradeable commodity until that extension.

by EJL on Jul 23, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Paul Hagen ought to cut back on the poppers before he entertains any thoughts of writing anything.

by j reed on Jul 23, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

MLBTR : Me :: “toolsy” : taco pal

It’s NOT A PRIMARY SOURCE DAMMIT AAAUUUGHHHH!!

http://www.thegoodphight.com

by WholeCamels on Jul 23, 2010 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right, it’s what makes it useful. It aggregates information about a topic so I don’t have to go check countless primary sources.

by schmenkman on Jul 23, 2010 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s fine, but citing it as a primary source elsewhere (“According to MLBTradeRumors…”) makes my skin crawl.

http://www.thegoodphight.com

by WholeCamels on Jul 23, 2010 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Aah – I see what you mean.

by schmenkman on Jul 23, 2010 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m too lazy to look up primary sources.

by Cormican on Jul 23, 2010 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I actually enjoy some of the brief commentary they post up.

by EJL on Jul 23, 2010 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Any word on Victorino being out of lineup tonight?

by Sept.28.Oct.27.Dec.28.2008 on Jul 23, 2010 4:49 PM EDT reply actions  

why what happened?

by j reed on Jul 23, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

probably got picked off first during warm ups.

Looking forward to the Kevin Kolb era.
5-8-10...the day the Purdue Boilermakers basketball team won the 2011 NCAA Championship!!

by EREX21 on Jul 23, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

just doesn’t feel like it.

by Wet Luzinski on Jul 23, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Vic in practice, using the wrong end of bat to lay down a bunt is hit in eye with maple shards when bat explodes. The partially blinded CF tells seriously pissed of RAJ that Milt Thompson told him to do it …..

by j reed on Jul 23, 2010 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Where do you see tonight’s lineup already?

I’ve been kind of down on Victorino this year — better power, but worse OBP, for an OPS of .762, and lots of maddening first-pitch swinging. But I see that his BABIP is only .259, compared to .313 before this year. The difference is 17 singles, which would have raised his OPS to .846, assuming I did the math right.

by schmenkman on Jul 23, 2010 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

beat writers tweet it out there.

by Wet Luzinski on Jul 24, 2010 8:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

One thing that would make sense here is that he has a .083 batting average with 1 RBI against tonights starting pitcher in 12 previous at bats against him.

by dannijd on Jul 23, 2010 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

12 PA isn’t enough to base anything off of, unless maybe he’s fanned in his other 11 PAs.

by Bilzo on Jul 23, 2010 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Statistically correct, but maybe Cholly thought he looked so off in those 12 PAs that it was enough to base a decision off. Besides, every player gets the ocasional day off.

by Cormican on Jul 23, 2010 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

What sucks is I thought I was going to tonight’s game so I could see halladay, but instead I have tickets for tomorrow and get to see the sacrifical lamb on the mound.

by j reed on Jul 23, 2010 5:31 PM EDT reply actions  

No, it’s a pitcher from outside the organization named Kyle Kendrick or something.

by Cormican on Jul 23, 2010 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm sure this has already been beaten into the ground but....

Paul Hagen is a fucking idiot for writing that. What prospects would the Phillies have to give up for the Mariners to take Ibanez? I’d say we get their worst bullpen arm in the minors and we trade our top 3 prospects besides Dom Brown and Ibanez. Anyone in?

by packimop on Jul 23, 2010 6:51 PM EDT reply actions  

BETTER IDEA!!! We give them back Aumont JC and Gilles!!! AND we pay for the rest of this year’s Raul salary!!! BRILLIANT

by packimop on Jul 23, 2010 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

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