Report: Roy Oswalt drops demand for pick-up of 2012 option
MyFoxPhilly.com reporting. Oswalt's 2012 option would be worth $16 million.
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I wonder what this means, especially in regards to the Cardinals pursuit of him.
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by Jose and the Contrarians on Jul 24, 2010 9:30 AM EDT reply actions
Why is My Fox Philly reporting this and not espn or any other major sports news outlets? I am just wondering.
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by WholeCamels on Jul 24, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
This was on mlbtraderumors.com
Astros’ righty Roy Oswalt indicated yesterday that he would be willing to re-structure his contract to accommodate a trade to the Cardinals, and that his 2012 option worth $16MM would not be a deal-breaker if the team approached him about a deal. The Phillies are still trying to unload Jayson Werth to help facilitate a trade for Oswalt while the Dodgers and Astros have exchanged some names. The Twins, however, are not in on the 32-year-old right-hander.
That doesn’t read to me that Oswalt no longer is demanding his 2012 option be picked up by anyone, but that he would be willing to restructure things in a trade that sent him to the Cardinals. Not necessarily the case if he the Phillies wanted to trade for him.
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Haren, Haren, Haren, Haren, Haren
Oswalt… why? He’s more expensive, has a shorter contract, isn’t quite as good… and it’s not like the D’backs asking price looks like all that much at this point. I was dumbfounded this morning when I saw what the Yankees had put on the table for Haren — the fact that a club would even seriously offer something like that just confirms my suspicion that Haren is very seriously underrated as a commodity.
Ruben: do it. Don’t let the Arizona front office peeps off the phone until you find out what they want you to deal Werth for, add Happ to the package plus any incidental pieces necessary, and get it done. If you’re really entertaining the idea of dealing for Oswalt, then this should be an absolute no-brainer. Seriously, if I see Haren move somewhere else for a package anything remotely like the one above, while you putz around figuring out if you can trade our top prospects for Roy Oswalt, I’m going to skip the bar exam, drive down to CBP, and commit some serious assault and battery on your ass.
I’m guessing Haren would require, at the very least, Happ, some good prospects in return for Werth (which really is the main unknown), and maybe even one of our Single A star prospects.
by philsandthrills on Jul 24, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
and that would be just fine
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by WholeCamels on Jul 24, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
But the problem there is who knows what we’re getting for Werth? Will it be enough to make that?
And of course, how will Ruben manage to overpay?
by philsandthrills on Jul 24, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
What we can get for Werth is an open question, but I’m optimistic on that front. First off, with DeJesus now out for the year (not to mention Hart jamming his thumb last night, though he’s not expected to miss much time), you’d have to think that the demand for Werth would be fairly substantial. Secondly, I mean… just look at that offer the Yankees made. I don’t even really need to know who the other two prospects are (it wouldn’t be Montero or Sanchez)… the fact that the D’backs have any interest in Ivan Nova and Zach MacAllister as their “young pitching” return just shows that they’re completely missing the boat here.
Between Werth, Happ, one of Colvin/Cosart, and a few smaller pieces (think Mathieson, Worley, etc.) there’s definitely enough to get this done. And to answer your below question, I don’t think that’s a crazy amount at all.
by PhillyFriar on Jul 24, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Better not be Happ+Colvin/Cosart, thank you. That’s a bit too much to swallow, even though 3 1/2 years of Haren would be amazing.
by philsandthrills on Jul 24, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
To each his own, but in my mind, Happ + Werth + Colvin/Cosart is a bargain for a top 15 pitcher in baseball on a relatively team-friendly deal.
A bargain? I guess you really value Cosart or Colvin less than I do, and probably Happ somewhat as well.
by philsandthrills on Jul 24, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Happ’s a 4/5 starter…when he’s at his best, he’s solid and a good piece for a rotation. If he’s the biggest (Major League ready) piece you give up (save Werth, of course) for the chance for Halladay/Hamels/Haren for the next three years, I’d take that risk.
As for Cosart and Colvin…we wouldn’t be giving up both, just one. It’s awesome they look so good right now, but they’ve still got a ways to progress before they get to the majors. This isn’t Drabek, who this time last year looked like he’d be ready for a 2010 callup…it’ll be a little while before they’re ready. The Phils have low-level arms. To get Haren, one would be expendable.
A cost-controlled 4/5 starter, who, though clearly lucky, managed to get by hitters pretty damn well. If he even approaches another season like that, at his cost, which is basically nothing, he’s worth a good bit.
And I just dislike giving up one of the two A-level aces, as just imagining a 2014 squad headed by both of them would be something, eh? But Haren strengthens us enough for the next few years, I guess it really is a good value.
by philsandthrills on Jul 24, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Agredd….a 4/5 starter and unknowns for a proven top flight starter is a no doubter to me.
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I agree. It seems like Haren is available at the same asking price we got Lee for… yet Haren is signed for
11 – 12.75M
12 – 12.75M
13 – 15.5M (with a 3.5M buyout)
Haren has been a 5+ win player over the past 5 1/2 seasons
Just for comparisons sake,
Halladay has averaged 6.3 wins over the last 8.5 seasons
Hamels 3.6 over the last 4.5 seasons
Lee has be 7.4 wins over the last 2.5 seasons, I picked that cut off due to his .2 WAR in 2007..
Finally, Oswalt has been just under a 5 win player over the past 9.5 seasons, though most of that happened more than a couple years ago.
I just don’t see how Haren is NOT the better choice, if we have one?
Oh he clearly is. It’s just everyone wonders what the Dbacks want for him. He’s available, but is it a good amount, or a crazy amount?
by philsandthrills on Jul 24, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
RAJ Decision Process
Over at Broad Street Nation, we have been gnashing our teeth at Paul Holmgren’s (lack of) decision process. With RAJ, we’ve noticed he tends to take a “decide-now” way of doing business. Do analysis, then immediately act on the decision. Sometimes this works well….like saying PTB, thanks for the memories, see ya. Other times, like in the Lee trade, not so well. Here, I am concerned RAJ has “locked in” to Oswalt..or whoever. It is really important in this context, especially if ownership has decided on a strict budget (no, even from a profitability point of view, this is probably a bad idea, but that’s off-topic right now) that there is “out of the box” thinking. This isn’t easy for someone with a Stanford engineering degree. Note I am not knocking Stanford per se, but someone from Stanford, and especially someone with an engineering degree, tends to the logical pure analysis way of doing business. Of course, that rationality plus the occasional Stanford ethos/elitism yields our RAJ smug-meter.
Here, I think besides Haren (totally agree on all the posts about Haren being a better option worth the extra trade amount) RAJ ought to be thinking about other options. Like Brett Myers (yes, eat crow RAJ). Like Randy Wolf, whose kERA is really high right now, but whom he might be able to get with the Brewers picking up most of the tab. Like some of the players on the Blue Jays. Like Paul Maholm, currently out of favor, but who is still a relatively inexpensive option.
If we can’t get Haren, given that we already have Halladay and a resurgent Hamels, we actually don’t need a front-liner. And I especially dislike giving up Happ for Oswalt right now (selling low on the ROY runner-up; Happ for Haren is fine). The ideal candidate is the 2007 Kyle Lohse.
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I did this once before at BSH. Alzeheimer’s approaching
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last summer, anyways, recall that we felt RAJ was locked in on Halladay, but then didn’t get him.
by Wet Luzinski on Jul 24, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d argue that RAJ had settled in on a specific price for Roy, and then never relented from his original analysis. Once he had his Moby Dick, he then was unconcerned about the the temporary replacement (Lee) and sent him out the door.
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Dang— I thought I was the only one who saw RAJ’s pursuit of Halladay and thought Moby Dick!
by dannijd on Jul 25, 2010 12:27 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Buster Olney has the Dbacks asking for Jacob Turner and Andrew Oliver. Anyone know enough to give some kind of comparison to a deal for the Phillies?
by philsandthrills on Jul 24, 2010 2:50 PM EDT reply actions
Turner is roughly Cosart, give or take a bit of name recognition.
Oliver’s an interesting case in that he’s a lefty with really good raw stuff, but it’s never fully translated into results. Could be a top-end starter if he puts it all together, or could wind up hyst a reliever, but has upside significantly higher than any of the MLB-ready arms the Phillies could provide (Happ, Worley, etc.). But I’d have to think that whatever the Phils can get for Werth (say, Davis), plus Happ, plus Colvin, is a superior offer to Oliver and Turner.
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by WholeCamels on Jul 24, 2010 3:22 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You need to have a week like Bello Garcia’s last one during the bar exam.
by Wet Luzinski on Jul 24, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Ah okay. All I could find quickly was that Turner was their #1, and Oliver their #4 prospects. This is much more informative. So I take it, this is a much more serious demand than whatever the Yankees were willing to provide.
by philsandthrills on Jul 24, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
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