Phillies would be smart to forget about Oswalt
Yes, it's indeed a dead deal in my eyes. Oswalt, clever enough to come out and say he'd play for any team, just doesn't seem interested in playing for any teams. I understand that he is an athlete and he needs to get paid. Yet he's 32 with no championship and who plays for a team which won't seem to be competitive for the next few years. Teams are knocking on your doorstep to come aboard and help win a championship, and all you can think about it, are you getting paid? It's not like Roy Oswalt hasn't been paid so far. According to the Baseball Cube, Roy has earned a total of $76,150,000 in his playing career (estimated, up to 2010). He has 16M left on his current contract for 2011, and a 16M TEAM option (with a 2M buyout) for 2012. Oswalt is demanding teams that he gets traded to pick up the TEAM option of 16M. Sorry to tell you this Roy, usually good teams can't afford to add another 16M into their salary just like that. Especially the Phillies, who are pretty much at or close to the max in salary cap room. The Phillies have other priorities to spend on, like renewing their own players in 2012.
Now don't get me wrong. I'd love to have Roy Oswalt in the rotation. He still has the stuff to continue into 2012. This isn't Jaime Moyer we are talking about. Roy Oswalt is even couple years younger than ace Roy Halladay. What's puzzling, why is he emphasizing teams pick up the TEAM option. Earlier in the season, Oswalt talked about potentially retiring after 2011. Wait? so could this be a ploy to get more guaranteed money prior to free agency? Am I speculating? Read some quotes from March, where he talked about this situation, and again you ask yourself the same question when you are done reading:
"I've got one more year on this contract then, I don't know. We'll just have to wait and see," says the 32-year-old Oswalt, "This could possibly be it. I'm not going to say it's definitely going to be it. Next year -- I'll try to play that year out. Of course, the first thing is to get through this year. But my thing is if you're not going to play at the level that you come in at, there's no sense in going out there and just trying to add up numbers."
I'm telling you right now, Roy Oswalt is not the man for this ball club. One thing for a player wanting to win, would want to restructure his contract. The oly thing Roy is considering restructuring, is to defer payments of a TEAM option "owed" to him. It's all about $$$ and not about a championship in my opinion.
Phillies need to move on, plenty of other options they can deal with. They don't even have to move Jayson Werth to free up cap space to add-on a top-tier pitchers. Perhaps, my opinion, the Phillies should actually fix up their bullpen. Danys Baez and Jose Contreras are not going to help this team in the long haul. I am darn right scared when Charlie has to go to his bullpen. One of the teams which are scouting the Phillies last week was the Pirates. Could the Phillies be lucky enough to snag away Evan Meek from the Pirates? Evan Meek would be perfect for the Phillies. He is a setup man who can close games. Currently Meek, a 2010 All-star, is 4-3 with a 1.30 ERA 0.867 WHIP in 55.1 IP. Meek would certainly improve this bullpen, and not stress Brad Lidge to throw 2 consecutive 30 pitch innings.
If they can't get Meek, they need to find other ways to improve this bullpen. If this offense continues hitting like its supposed to, they might be able to once again get away with pitchers like Joe Blanton, J.A. Happ and Kyle Kendrick, in their starting rotation. Roy Oswalt will help, but not when he is thinking more about money than a possible championship run.
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The most I would give up for Oswalt is Happ, Gose/J. James and maybe Hyatt/Way. If we can keep Cosart, Colvin, Singleton, Brown and Werth, Id be ok with mostly any deal.
There is really no reason to trade Werth anymore. I doubt they could to get anything for him thats better than what they could get in the draft with his comp picks, they need him for the strech run, and Brown should get some more time in AAA.
To me, theres far too many reasons not to make a move right now. I think your completely right, forget about Oswalt, but I would take it a step farther and say forget about any deadline deal. I honestly believe that this team can sneek into the playoffs, and once were there, anything can happen. We would actually be in a good postion then because:
1. Utley comes back
2. The top 3 in this rotation are pretty good, and in the playoffs, thats all you need (plus, we could get Roy 3 starts in a 7 game series)
So yah, no really reason to do anything groundbreaking.
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by sowhatifitisasportste on Jul 27, 2010 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m all for passing on Oswalt. However, I don’t understand why you (and you’re not alone) interpret his request to have the team option in 2012 picked up as some kind of indication that he’s not a good fit, or as you put it “…not the man for this ball club….” Essentially, you’re making the leap that since he wants to protect his own financial interests, his committment to winning is mere lip service. I just don’t get this. To use your reasoning, any player (existing, FA, or thru trade) who doesn’t take less to play here isn’t of the right mind set. I’m not buying it.
The points about the team’s budget, losing Werth, losing prospects and Happ, and hurting our ability to resign our own are valid. But I think it’s ridiculous to essentially question his integrity because he’s already made alot of money in the past and is attempting to exercise some leverage for the last year of his contract. Halladay accepting less to come here was an abberation and you can’t claim Oswalt isn’t committed to winning simply because he’s asking that the option be exercised in advance, IMO.
weird. got a pop-up msg that my comment couldn’t go thru and to try again. I did. But now it’s posted twice.
by Boundforbeach on Jul 27, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m all for passing on Oswalt. However, I don’t understand why you (and you’re not alone) interpret his request to have the team option in 2012 picked up as some kind of indication that he’s not a good fit, or as you put it “…not the man for this ball club….” Essentially, you’re making the leap that since he wants to protect his own financial interests, his committment to winning is mere lip service. I just don’t get this. To use your reasoning, any player (existing, FA, or thru trade) who doesn’t take less to play here isn’t of the right mind set. I’m not buying it.
The points about the team’s budget, losing Werth, losing prospects and Happ, and hurting our ability to resign our own are valid. But I think it’s ridiculous to essentially question his integrity because he’s already made alot of money in the past and is attempting to exercise some leverage for the last year of his contract. Halladay accepting less to come here was an abberation and you can’t claim Oswalt isn’t committed to winning simply because he’s asking that the option be exercised in advance, IMO.
...not the man for this ball club...
If this was a player option, it would be a different story, but its not its a team option. There is no way Roy Oswalt get that team option picked up by the Astros, if they become uncompetitive. Nor will he be offered that price in 2012 from any team. He is trying to cash in money which is not really owed to him. I cant understand him fighting for his 2M buyout, or hey maybe we can give you 8M for 2012. That isn’t the case, he not looking to restructure the amount owed, he restructuring how to get the full 16M guaranteed. So is he more concerned about money or winning a championship…and if its money does he fit in a ball club who wants to win a championship
So what if it’s a team option? He has a player no-trade clause. Why shouldn’t he be allowed to trade one for the other?
Simple: because its not guaranteed. You want to trade it in, fine you get the 2M buyout which is promised. Phillies didn’t force him to sign a contract with a team option. If he wants his money for a trade of his no-trade clause, then Houston should pay for it, not the Phillies, Card, or Dodgers.
by PHLSportsFan on Jul 27, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Thats what you aren’t understanding…
He received a no trade clause from the Astros (they negotiated that to him)
The Astros received a TEAM option.
All he’s saying is he’d renegotiate those two portions of his contract if a trade was to be made. This is not selfishness. Its called business. Whether he wants to leave or not, contract 101 is don’t just give things away without getting something back.
Yes that makes sense, The Phillies have to pay the 16M option, and give up prospects and J.A Happ, so that Oswalt (who as to be traded) to be moved to there team..
No Thanks
by PHLSportsFan on Jul 28, 2010 7:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh let’s not forget one thing, “it was Oswalt who informed Wade and the Astros that he wanted to be traded to a contending team in late May.So if he really wants to be traded to a contending team, then why is that extra $14 million so important?”
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by PHLSportsFan on Jul 27, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
it's not the money
He has kids, and a wife. And he saw what just happened to Cliff Lee. He does not want to have to worry nearly so much about being moved all around the country and deal with the uncertainty for the next 1.5 years. Obviously he doesn’t need any more money, so why assume that that is his sole motivation? If I had kids in great schools after being traded, then got traded again and had to explain to my kids that we had to move for the second time in less than a year (potentially across the country), I wouldn’t be a very happy camper. If a team picks up his option, they are more likely to keep him for the length of his contract (or at least until the trade deadline that year).
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by layout ultimate on Jul 27, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
blah really what more will 100M get your that 94M cant…come on…if he was so concerned about his family he wouldnt asked to be traded and take the risk.
by PHLSportsFan on Jul 28, 2010 7:35 AM EDT up reply actions
he won’t be traded to a team that isn’t contending, so it’d give him another shot at being on a winner. He then wants to stay with said contending team so as to not move his family. No one is going to pay the astros ransom for Oswalt if they aren’t a contender.
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by layout ultimate on Jul 28, 2010 11:09 AM EDT reply actions

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