Here Comes Domonic Brown?
If Jim Salisbury's hearing things correctly, looks like Shane Victorino is heading to the DL and Domonic Brown is replacing him on the active roster.
UPDATE: Confirmed, starting in RF tonight, wearing Number 9.
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I’m ok with it, it’s not like they ‘rushed’ him to get him in the line up. They need to fill a hole and with the mayberry/ibanez (seeming) platoon, he’s the best organizational option, isn’t he?
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 28, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess. Don’t get me wrong, I’m really pumped to see him in the bigs. But he hasn’t been in AAA very long. I guess all the talk on these threads about the long-term damage you can do to a career by rushing a propsect has me concerned. But they obviously think he’s ready. So, bring it on!
by Boundforbeach on Jul 28, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Or they think he’s the best option (which might be another issue altogether) is what I’m thinking? They feel they can still make a playoff push, they have to bring up someone, who is the best available optoin?
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 28, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
How many teams bring up an untested rookie with the belief that he will actually help make a playoff push? I mean, this appears to be more of a stop-gap injury replacement. Unless he lights it up, he might yet return to the Iron Pigs if Shane comes back.
by Boundforbeach on Jul 28, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I expect him to return – but you didn’t answer the questoin I asked – is he the best option in the organization?
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 28, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t know. It’s a cop-out answer, but the team apparently feels he is.
by Boundforbeach on Jul 28, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Who gets the start?
Gload? Francisco? Brown?
They’re facing a righty, so Gload is my guess
anyone know if Rollins is playing?
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I don’t think they’d call up their best prospect just to have him sit on the bench.
by David S. Cohen on Jul 28, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
If you’re going to bring Brown up he has to be playing essentially everyday. I agree with you, if they’re bringing him up he better be playing.
by Baseball Nerd on Jul 28, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
agreed. I dont see this as a Platoon. he is missing ABs in AAA for this.
by Clyde Simmons on Jul 28, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s the Lineup I picture. Ibanez is good against RHP, Werth has the speed to play CF and this being Dom’s first start I wouldn’t see the phillz putting him anywhere but RF.
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by sowhatifitisasportste on Jul 28, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m not really that upset. I am mildly irritated.
I think this probably will not hurt Brown in the long run. At the same time, I think that we are unlikely to gain much here, and that even a small risk of hurting Brown’s development is a greater risk than I am willing to take on.
Also, even if Brown happens to go on a tear, I don’t think that will necessarily be an unequivocally good thing. It is likely that if he goes on a tear, it’s because the pitchers are unfamiliar with him and are throwing him too many fastballs or something. In that case, we would obviously reap a present day benefit, but developmentally, I would rather have Brown struggle with AAA junkballers who know how to pitch him than succeed against major league pitching.
I am annoyed at Shane for being such an idiot.
Most of all, I am annoyed at what I call the “I wanna play with the shiny new toy” sentiment I see from many fans. I am perfectly fine with those fans who analyzed the issue dispassionately and came to a different conclusion than I did. But I can’t stand fans who don’t know anything about the minor leagues, who dismiss prospects as being “only prospects” if they haven’t heard of them, and then suddenly jump on the bandwagon with two feet once our patience with a prospect (in opposition to what they generally advocate) finally pays off. These people don’t really care about developing players the right way. They’re just the spectators in the gladiator ring bellowing “Entertain Us!”
Are you not entertained?
My question for you is the same one I asked earlier but you know the organizational make up better. Was/Is there a better organizational option to serve a stop gap starters role until Victorino is healthy assuming the Ibanez platoon is permanent?
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 28, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Are you not entertained?!?
This was necessary.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
There’s probably an equally productive one in Mayberry…
"I tried to run him over but Eli had his big boy pads on and he kind of stopped me from getting in the end zone. The next time I’ll try to jump over his head.’’ - Asante Samuel
haha understood.
And for the record I agree that Mayberry was the smarter choice.
BUTTTTT now that its done…BRING ON DOM!
by Clyde Simmons on Jul 28, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Very well said, especially the last paragraph.
Personally, I’m fine with it at this point for some of the reasons dajafi noted last night in the postgame thread: he’s not being put in a bad position (i.e. the offense isn’t struggling right now); there’s a rather auspicious opening with Victorino out; and since he’ll be the starting right fielder next year, it’s a good idea to expose Dom to major league pitching this year.
All that said, you had a well articulated position, TP, so F anyone who’s mocking it. Just invite them into the Taco Pal Logic Thuderdome (copyright j reed 2010) and argue circles around them.
by PhillyFriar on Jul 28, 2010 6:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Brown will be wearing #9. FWIW
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I have such mixed emotions about this. While I am happy to see Dom Brown called up because he has earned it and deserves this, I am just so afraid of him failing that it’s almost safer to have him in the minors. I know it’s crazy and irrational but this team has put so much stock in him, the thought of him not being the stud we all believe he will be is frighting.
Looking forward to the Kevin Kolb era.
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If he’s able to come in and get some hits in the next few days, then he’s ready. Given the unexpectedly early call-up, you know he must have some jitters, and an 0-fer tonight isn’t the end of the world. Let’s hope he’s able to handle it, but given his calm and humble demeanor, and how he made the transition to AAA so well, and how he performed in ST, I think he will be able to do well. I’m pulling for the kid, just as I’m sure we all are.
I just wish I could watch tonight’s game, but my apartment building only gets Dish Network…so no Comcast Sportsnet for me.
by Baseball Nerd on Jul 28, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I understand the concern, but you can only keep the guy shrinkwrapped and safe in the minors for so long.
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by WholeCamels on Jul 28, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He was coming up in September anyway, so calling him up here due to injury isn’t really all that different.
by Baseball Nerd on Jul 28, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree completely W.C, he has earned this and he can’t be kept down forever.
But a September 1 call up and this call up, being thrust into the starting lineup when this team is hot and making a comeback is a lot of pressure. I am sure he will handle it well though.
Who knows, maybe he plays so well that he can earn a post season roster spot if it comes to that.
Looking forward to the Kevin Kolb era.
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No doubt it’s pressure. But he can handle it. This guy has really handled himself well in the minors, he has a great attitude about the game, and if he’s able to take this one in stride the way he’s done everything else, then he’ll be fine.
by Baseball Nerd on Jul 28, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I think it would be more pressure if the team weren’t playing well. My fear was that they’d recall him as a savior, which is f’in crazy for a 22 year old on a team with seven all-stars or whatever they have.
by dajafi on Jul 28, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That is a valid point, one of the fears I had when this team was playing so poorly that the Pirates almost seemed entertaining was them calling up Brown to be their savior. Glad he did not come up under those circumstances.
Looking forward to the Kevin Kolb era.
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agreed, but… he’s only been in triple AAA since June 25th.
by Boundforbeach on Jul 28, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
fine… I’ll invoke everyone’s favorite retort on this blog… small sample size
by Boundforbeach on Jul 28, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Not to mention that he makes the left handed balance of the line up more tilted, Mayberry is a righty.
It would be nice if some one was able to ask RAJ to tell us why Brown over Mayberry
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 28, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
but not a puny sample size, either. Ryan Howard in 2004 was in much of a similar position w/r/t AAA at bats.
Plus, he didn’t suck during those 100+ PAs at all. There does come a point where it doesn’t matter whether it’s 100 or 1000. I doubt the Phillies wanted to do this now, but here we go.
by Wet Luzinski on Jul 28, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions
cmon now
in that case, we should just never bring him up then. then he’ll never have a chance to fail. i just dont understand this sentiment that Brown is gonna be ruined by a rough week or two stint in the majors. Baseball is a game of failure. Sooner or later Brown will have an awful slump in the major leagues-just like Werth, Ibanez, and Jimmy have had this year. Every baseball player understands this. The Phillies have been extremely careful with this kid his whole minor league career. Now, its time to throw him into the fire and see what happens. If he does terribly, his confidence will probably take a little hit, but then he’ll go back to knocking around minor league pitching for a while, and have a clean slate next year. I just dont buy the whole-“he’s gonna be ruined if he does poorly” idea
totally agree with wholecamels regarding the shirkwrap
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by DeuceisLoose926 on Jul 28, 2010 2:18 PM EDT reply actions
And if Brown wasn’t called up you wouldn’t have been? You’re a Nats fan?
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 28, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
And no I'm not a Nats Fan
Just because they have Stratsburg.
eff you we winning anyway
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snark fail. He was just poking fun at you since your comment sounded band-wagon-ish
by Boundforbeach on Jul 28, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
SBNation reports that Dodgers and Cardinals have been reported to be out of the Oswalt race, and the Phillies seem to be the only ones in the race for him now. I hope we forget about Oswalt because its not worth the prospects in my opinion.
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It is if Wade is desperate enough to move him and Philly is his only remaining option.
Looking forward to the Kevin Kolb era.
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I agree, the devil is in the details. If a GOOD deal for Oswalt can be made, then by all means pull the trigger.
http://www.thegoodphight.com
I’m not sure of the credibility of SB Nation (above ESPN for instance) but most ESPN Heads feel it’s more likely that Oswalt doesn’t move by the deadline.
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 28, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
And only if it’s a good deal.
I still think we’re watching posturing by both the Astros and the Phillies and everyone else interested. If the Astros are serious about moving him, then their demands will have to come down soon and if Philly waits it out, maybe we get a good deal. If not, then forget about him.
by Baseball Nerd on Jul 28, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Stark tweet. Phillies can’t deal Werth. Focused on Westbrook and Carmona.
by Boundforbeach on Jul 28, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
From his insider story this morning
Shane Victorino’s oblique injury Tuesday figures to put an end to the Jayson Werth trade talk once and for all in Philadelphia. The Phillies, who have won six games in a row, already were leaning toward keeping Werth anyway. But if Victorino is out, they would have no one else to play center field besides Werth. The Phillies were expected to call up their ballyhooed outfield prospect, Domonic Brown, to play right field in the interim.
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 28, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd be happy with Carmona
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Why don’t you like Carmona? Just curious.
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Awful strikeout rate, unmaintainably low BABIP (.269) masking true ability, has been horrible more often than good in his career.
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the only positive I see is a team friendly contract with lots of team options at a reasonable rate if he actually continues his current trend.
by Clyde Simmons on Jul 28, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Happ and Worley give you that + likely better performance.
by Wet Luzinski on Jul 28, 2010 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Carmona doesnt do anything for me either. He has one great year while CC was still around, then a bunch of really mediocre to bad years, and now he’s having a decent year. unless the NL is as much of a disgrace as AL fans would make you believe, I dont see him being much of an impact
David Murphy’s projected line up for tonight:
Werth, Polanco, Ibanez, Howard, Dobbs, Brown, Ruiz, Valdez, Halladay
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EW!
I would rather see:
Polanco
Brown
Ibanez
Howard
Werth
Dobbs
Ruiz
Valez
Halladay
by Clyde Simmons on Jul 28, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I like Murphy’s better. Much better on-base leading off, bury brown in the back end to lessen pressure.
Ibanez Howard Dobbs Brown SCREAMS for a lefty reliever after Polanco.
by Clyde Simmons on Jul 28, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Except Howard has been crushing LOOGY’s lately, so it’s not a big deal.
by philsandthrills on Jul 28, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Except if he reverts to his career numbers against lefties sometime soon
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 28, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah I like Murphy’s, too. Howard’s major improvement against LHP mitigates the problems with having all the left handed bats in the middle of the order.
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Polanco
Dobbs
Ibanez
Howard
Werth
Brown
Ruiz
Valez
Halladay
by Clyde Simmons on Jul 28, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
(I sort of agree 2 hole on his first start is a reach)
by Clyde Simmons on Jul 28, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow. Is this the first time in recent history that both Vic and JRoll have been out at the same time. I dont ever remember having to think about who was leading off. It was always one of the two. I know they’ve switched out the leadoff spot once or twice this year due to slumps, but it just feels weird having to choose between Werth or Polanco as leadoff
What are you people concerned about. He’s rated as the number 1 prospect in ALL of baseball. It’s the perfect time to see what he can do. You can’t be worried about him failing. If he doesn’t light it up then he goes back to the Iron Pigs when Victorino is healthy. He was not rushed…he is 2 years older than Jason Heyward who is doing just fine. Let’s see what this kid can do.
C’mon DOM!
He’s also 2 years older than Mike Stanton who is doing less fine and was the #1 immediately prior to Dom.
prospect ratings are a rather inexact science. I wouldn’t get too hung up on slotting them and perfomance of other folks around their place.
Francouer and Howard and Taveras fought for rookie of the year.
Coghlan and Happ last year.
Just because one guy is struggling doesn’t mean you should expect others to.
Yes but there comes a time to see what these top prospects can do. Continuing to dominate AAA is not going to improve his game; if he can play he can play, if not, well then thats gonna suck. But now is the time to find out.
That’s an extremely short sighted approach in my opinion. Time in AAA does help one develop their game as they are going against a higher level of talent. The only reason Brown is coming up now (it seems) is due to injury. So, maybe, the phillies didn’t think he was truly ready either but feel backed into a corner. Your trueisms aside, there is something to be said about having more than a month of play in AAA and it does serve a purpose
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 28, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
The only reason Brown is coming up now (it seems) is due to injury. So, maybe, the phillies didn’t think he was truly ready either but feel backed into a corner.
The counterpoint to that is that the Phillies have felt he was ready for X period of time, but were waiting for the opportunity to call him up when he could play everyday, initially the trade of Werth but now the injury to Victorino. I have mixed feelings about it, but he has been crushing AAA pitching (small sample size!!!!) and he seems ready, or ready enough. If he would have been up September 1st, what’s the difference anyhow?
He hasn’t really been crushing AAA pitching lately. He crushed it for about a week or two, but since then he’s just been doing well.
I realize it’s all small sample size but a 900+ OPS in the last 10 games (only one HR) isn’t god awful is it?
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 28, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes that’s very good, but then take the telescope back to his last 20 games and that figure goes down to .850 or so. He’s doing fine, but this isn’t domination.
By the way, I hope his nickname doesn’t turn out to be “Domonator.” That’s just too easy.
850 is a pretty good OPS isn’t it? I mean if any starting outfielder were putting that up – we’d be jumping for joy?
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 28, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
anyhow
This is the team that didn’t call up Howard and Utley until they were ripe, and only called up Hamels when it became patently clear he had nothing left to do in the minors. The team that refuses to call up Mathieson despite him gassing AAA hitters daily. I don’t trust RAJ to trade correctly, but I’ll give him some credit here if they believe Brown is ready to play in the majors.
Mathieson got torched for 4 runs and a blown save last night
by Clyde Simmons on Jul 28, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
He had pitched two innings the night before in a 15-inning game, so you have to give him a little bit of a break for that though.
Were either of them on your fantasy team? Just wondering cause that’s an odd thing to remember (to me) :)
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 28, 2010 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions
The difference is another 100 or so AAA at bats (approximately) to get him over 200 ABs in AAA to expand the sample size I guess.
I also think theres less pressure if you’re brought up in the ‘roster expansion’ Septemper 1 call ups. And I doubt he would have been an immediate starter unless there was an injury.
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 28, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d rather just go and a get a proven player, the RH bat of the bench we’ve need for awhile (provided there is one). If some how there would be money for Oswalt once players are off the books next year I’m sure we could find a good bat for far less. Oblique strains are a bitch esp. for any everday day player.
The proven player, who knows how to win?
They’re just falling off trees for free right?.
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 28, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, I understand that thinking the phillies organization is grossly incompetent is good sport, but do you suppose that with talks about Oswalt and Werth that they might know exactly what is available, how much it would cost and decided it was better to bring up brown or do you think they just flipped a fracking coin about it.
And call me names if you wish, if it makes you feel like a better person, go right ahead, but the supposition that the phillies didn’t explore other options seems silly to me
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 28, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
We haven’t had a decent right handed bat of the bench in years. I apologize for the the rude name calling but your smarmy tone doesn’t win you many points. You like to pick fights.
And you seem to do a lot of emotional posting based on your constant need to check your spelling, so what’s your point?
I’m confused now, should they have traded for an everyday player or a player off the bench. Brown is a temporary solution that costs the team no assets or dollars until Victorino gets off the DL.
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 28, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Ibanez/Francisco/Werth would probably have done about as well in 2010 as Ibanez/Werth/Brown will, without the downside developmental risk.
If your willing to get Haren or Oswalt thereby incurring more cost , and since Werth isn’t going anywhere now and as such there are no realistic pitching options that exist without trading Werth, then you could shop for a RH bench bat off the bench or the RH bat that will replace Werth once the season is over esp. as Taco Pal said we may not be getting anything more out Brown in the OF than you would Ibanez/Francisco/Werth. So you could potenially get that right handed bench bat you’ve needed or the RH replacement for Werth and with no developmental risk to Brown. Now obviously replacing Werth with a player of equal standing would be unwise – that’s what Brown is slated to become, but a piece like Josh Willingham who can play both LFand RF would be cheaper and a nice right handed bat for next season. Esp. as Altanta is in the mix for Willingham.
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by SportingFanaticism on Jul 28, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
It happens. At least now you know/remember.
Looking forward to the Kevin Kolb era.
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