Your 2010 Philadelphia Phillies Starting Rotation, Now With 100% More Roy? Oswalt trade in place pending pitcher's approval
by WholeCamels on Jul 29, 2010 7:09 AM EDT
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UPDATE (1:35 pm): Basically official. J.A. Happ, Vance Worley, and Anthony Gose to Houston for Roy Oswalt and $11 million. Wow.
UPDATE (1:07 pm): Multiple sources confirming that Oswalt will accept trade to Philadelphia, although trade not yet final.
The Phillies and Astros apparently have a deal in place that would send RHP Roy Oswalt to the Phillies, pending the approval of Oswalt himself, who famously has a full no-trade clause. The deal would effectively increase the amount of "Roy" in the Phillies starting rotation from 20% to 40%.
According to several sources, the trade will likely include left-hander J.A. Happ and Single-A first baseman Jonathan Singleton.
The sticking point at this time is likely the 2012 team option on Oswalt's contract.
More on this as it develops.
In the meantime, your links after the jump...
Brown's bat, humility work well together
They will tell about a player so tall, so graceful, so powerful that comparisons to great lanky left-handed hitters like Ted Williams, Barry Bonds (the early years), Ken Griffey Jr. and Darryl Strawberry came to mind.
Holy crap, no pressure on the kid, huh?
Domo-nation: Brown makes quick impresssion as Phillies rout Diamondbacks
"I don’t know, a couple of bombs would have been nice," Brown said, smiling afterward. "But no, it went great. Let’s not get head over heels."
He's a real big-leaguer now, already mixing metaphors!
Phillies in the 1980s: From top to bottom
I'm not even that old (32) and it blows my mind that the 1980s are a source of retro/nostalgia. Waiting for the first "90s Night," complete with flannel and disjointed narratives.
Philadelphia Phillies superscout Dave Hollins was at the Rogers Centre on Wednesday night, the sixth consecutive game he has seen the Jays play. He was also in Detroit for the weekend series. With second baseman Chase Utley injured, if the Phillies acquired Bautista, they would move Placido Polanco from third to second and play the major leagues’ home run leader at third.
Interesting. I like it.
Phillies looking at Indians' Carmona as trade deadline nears
Plleeaassse tell me this is all moot now that the Oswalt deal looks like it's going to happen.
Strasburg likely to miss Sunday start as well
Certainly not wishing injury on anyone, especially Strasburg, but... everything's coming up Milhouse!
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with double the Roy
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by sports00fan00 on Jul 29, 2010 7:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Guys…if Bruce Dickinson says he needs more Roy, well, then I say we give him more Roy…
by Boundforbeach on Jul 29, 2010 8:42 AM EDT up reply actions
So if (when) Singleton gets traded...
Wasn’t he our brightest 1B prospect? Or was he destined to be moved to the OF?
Adam Tracy's our number 1 1st baseman prospect
duh..
duh.. but seriously, they had to give him up for this deal, i’m assuming he’ll eventually replace Berkman
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by sports00fan00 on Jul 29, 2010 7:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Isn’t it Andy Tracy? Or am I totally wrong?
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minor details
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by sports00fan00 on Jul 29, 2010 7:57 AM EDT up reply actions
unintentional pun… or freudian slip, perhaps
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by sports00fan00 on Jul 29, 2010 7:59 AM EDT up reply actions
So..
now at the end of the season, we sign Lee, & Trade Blanton.
Halladay, Lee, Hamels, Oswalt, Kendrick. A thing of beauty…. a guy can dream can’t he
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If you have Oswalt and the money to sign Lee, you shouldn’t sign Lee. You should spend the money on another part of your time.
Like a closer?
Hey Dez, it's 2am do you know where your mother is?
by sowhatifitisasportste on Jul 29, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
One of the most over paid positions in baseball
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 29, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Someone posted in a fanshot that it was rumored Mathieson, Singleton, Happ, & Gose to Astros for Oswalt, Keppinger, + $8M. Also the 2012 buyout increases to $5M.
Not a fan if this is it. Let them keep Keppinger and we’ll hold onto Singleton, then it becomes slightly better, but still not fantastic.
by Baseball Nerd on Jul 29, 2010 7:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Of course they wouldn’t agree to that, but the inclusion of Keppinger seems so unnecessary. The rumored trade is not a smart one.
by Baseball Nerd on Jul 29, 2010 8:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Is he any better than what the phillies have now?
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 29, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Depending on who we trade, I’ll go ahead and say this sucks. If we give them Happ, Amaro can lick my kahunas.
how much better is happ than kendrick, honestly, I don’t see THAT much of a difference
by Sept.28.Oct.27.Dec.28.2008 on Jul 29, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
anybody got definite numbers handy
by Sept.28.Oct.27.Dec.28.2008 on Jul 29, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
I’ll make it easy for you. Happ has struck out about 7 batters per 9 innings in his major league career, 9 batters per 9 innings in his minor league career. Kendrick is at 4 and 6, respectively. That’s a pretty enormous difference right there.
thanks TP, quick easy stats rather than smartass remarks
by Sept.28.Oct.27.Dec.28.2008 on Jul 29, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
And yet you provided none when you said you saw no difference. Prove your point factually and I’ll do the same, k tanks bi
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 29, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Yea but i’m not berating others constantly. Dude I get you’re cranky since you’re diet means only a 1000 calorie breakfast, but can you get more constructive rather than just commenting on others comments all the time. Audobon called you on it haphazardly but was right
by Sept.28.Oct.27.Dec.28.2008 on Jul 29, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I come hear to ask questions/opinions and learn about that game, not bitch at others
by Sept.28.Oct.27.Dec.28.2008 on Jul 29, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
And stop selectively reading my comments and saying ‘all i do i comment on other comments’ – because (again) it’s factually inaccurate and a lie
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 29, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
You do offer good opinions that often I agree with, I’m not searching other comments just watching your responses to mine
by Sept.28.Oct.27.Dec.28.2008 on Jul 29, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
And extrapolating that to ‘commenting on other comments all the time’.
The best way to LEARN is to do you own research, if someone just gives you the answers you didn’t have to do any work so it’s not worth anything. So if you really want to learn. The next time you have a blanket statement you want to make, at least TRY to find a fact or two to support it.
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 29, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Fair enough, either way, don’t be a dick, and i’ll look up some of my own stats
by Sept.28.Oct.27.Dec.28.2008 on Jul 29, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, see I don’t think I’m being that, and I made it through this whole thing without calling you names, while you called me names twice and yet claim you aren’t here to call people names.
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 29, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
& then there was 1...
If this trade goes through we are down to 1 southpaw starter. Last year we had Hamels, Lee, Moyer, & Happ. Moyer might be done for his career, we traded Lee, & now if we trade Happ we’ll be down to 1 Lefty Starting Pitcher in Cole Hamels. Personally I do not feel like he need to do this trade. We all know Kendrick is a good pitcher, usually hit or miss, but Happ last year was a monster for a rookie & I am not interested in trading him
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Wait
Did you just seriously say “Kendrick is a good pitcher”
I’m sorry, but anything else you say is immediately disqualified.
by philsandthrills on Jul 29, 2010 8:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Kendrick isn’t a bad pitching. In fact, Kendrick is a very effective 4/5 starter. IMO
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agreed. I think he just has a very poor opinion of Kendrick or him & I have very different definitions of good
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by sports00fan00 on Jul 29, 2010 8:09 AM EDT up reply actions
he's a good #4 or 5, an okay pitcher
basically he is a good pitcher when he shows up, when he doesn’t he’s not, but if he can learn to control himself he’ll be a quality 4 or 5 guy. you seem to believe that I am comparing him to Hamels, Halladay etc. all of which are great pitchers, u just have a high level of standards for using the word ‘good’ toward a pitcher or you just hate Kendrick, either way based on
I’m sorry, but anything else you say is immediately disqualified.
you’re a smart ass who thinks his opinion’s the only one whose counts
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by sports00fan00 on Jul 29, 2010 8:41 AM EDT up reply actions
I know you’re not comparing him to Hamels, or Halladay. However, you are calling him a good #4 or #5, and with that I completely disagree. His only good aspect is his relatively good control, but he mainly pitches to contact, and that contact is on the whole very hard.
I honestly have no idea how he manages to shut down teams some days, but those types of performances are not likely from a pitcher of his ability. The only real value he provides to the club is that he is cheap and under control for a while. I don’t hate the guy, and obviously I appreciate that he has pitched really well in a decent amount of games, but you have to be realistic. He’s a AAAA pitcher that is currently on the Phillies for lack of any other option.
Obviously, my comment earlier was a little snarky (and not serious), but having Kendrick and good near each other makes no sense in my mind.
And beyond that, you didn’t answer my question.
by philsandthrills on Jul 29, 2010 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions
i see your point
good as in he’s not Oliver Perez, that should be at least a decent enough definition
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by sports00fan00 on Jul 29, 2010 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions
That is an interesting standard
Actually, I just checked an article on the average 5th starter, and it seems that Kendrick would be somewhere in the middle of the pack, though in terms of innings he’ll probably be near the top. So not quite as bad as I thought in comparison to the league.
by philsandthrills on Jul 29, 2010 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions
isn’t a bad pitcher…
I am however apparently bad at typing.
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No
He’s a okay #5. He has an ERA of 4.60, an xFIP of 4.80. Neither of those are bad, but they are most certainly not “good”. He strangely finds great success some starts, but you can’t continue pitching much on the ML level with a 4.2 K/9.
by philsandthrills on Jul 29, 2010 8:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Hitters have slugged .495 (yes) against Kendrick this year. He’s a 4/5 starter only insofar as he can keep up his BABIP / strand-rate high-wire act. It’d be ill-advised to count on contributions from him going forward, other than as an emergency starter or long man.
Well I don’t know how I feel about this…obviously I like the idea of Oswalt, the guy certainly still has it, though he did just get a cortisone shot over the weekend for a lingering issue…(back maybe). The idea of Halladay – Hamels – Oswalt is frightening and would certainly be a huge advantage in any series. I guess my biggest concern is that if this team does not make the playoffs this year then they have one heck of a payroll for the remainder of this season and a pretty high one for next year as well. Probably an irrational thing to worry about but oh well I am.
Obviously the package going to Houston is what will be the biggest source of concern or delight for me. I like Happ, I like him a lot, but if you can trade him for a guy like Oswalt then you have to do it. I hope Worley and Mathieson are not involved in this or any trade but that’s not up to me.
I am curious though as to what RAJ has to say if this deal goes through and the inevitable question is asked…what changed between when Lee was dealt and trading for Oswalt? One extra guaranteed year on a contract with an option for a second year?
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Oswalt can’t be that much more expensive than Lee. This whole situation, if it happens, becomes ridiculous.
by Baseball Nerd on Jul 29, 2010 8:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Woops! Meant Lee can’t be much more expensive than Oswalt. It’s early.
by Baseball Nerd on Jul 29, 2010 8:05 AM EDT up reply actions
I think Lee might get between 18-20 mil on the open market…so that is roughly 2-4 mil more than Oswalt makes each of the next 2 years…not a ton of cash, but Lee wasn’t and won’t sign for 2 more years at 16 or 20 mil. I guess that’s RAJ’s rationale.
Looking forward to the Kevin Kolb era.
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But then you add in the prospect carousel that we’ve been riding and that 2-4 million doesn’t look as bad. I don’t know, I don’t want to bring back the whole “we should have kept Lee” debate, but I think it’s a good question to ask Ruben if this goes through. Prepare the Smug Advisory System, I think we’re going to get a lot of nuggets.
by Baseball Nerd on Jul 29, 2010 8:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Ruben Amaro Jr
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by sports00fan00 on Jul 29, 2010 8:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Also Smugface
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Phils interested in Bautista…might be the RH bat you are looking for.
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True but where is the money coming from? It is hard to assess the marginal utility of the scenario if you don’t have some ball park of what the what will be spent. I know players will be coming off the books but what happens after that next season. It ‘s like I’m so confused. Stinking scientologists cloudin’ my brain waves with the e-meters.
The only big issue I have with the Halladay / Lee deals is how Lee was handled. He never made a formal counteroffer, so we don’t know what he wanted. We just heard rumors. I agree, if he wanted 5-6 years, then that’s risky for a starting pitcher.
by Baseball Nerd on Jul 29, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
I think we can assume that Lee would behave rationally. We know roughly what the market will bear for him, so what basis do we have for hoping that he would accept something that would be so much lower than that?
Respect? Loyalty? He likes it in philly so wants to give a discount? He’s more worried about winning then cash? Because seriously what’s the difference between 60 million and 100 million? Cause he gets paid to play a game and he knows he shouldn’t make that much so he doesn’t think it’s right to take that much money?
That’s all the silly hideas that come to mind right now
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 29, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, spelling them out like that does illustrate how silly they are.
Also, before anyone makes the mistake of suggesting that the Halladay deal proves that it was reasonable to expect Lee to accept a hugely sub-market deal: no, it wasn’t. In Halladay’s case, we weren’t just giving him the contract, but we were also offering him a way out of Toronto one year early, when he’s nearing the end of his prime and had never pitched in the postseason. That is additional value that compensated him for accepting a sub-market deal for 2011-2013. What additional compensation would we have had to offer Lee in order to get him to sign a sub-market deal? Answer: none.
I always think comparing what one athlete did for the ‘good of the team’ or whatever is always silly as people are unique and each has different motivations. You can’t say because A did something B will do the same.
I disagree with you about the Lee trade motivations and whether it should or shouldn’t have been done, but don’t disagree with this point at all
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 29, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
And since I passed high school math pretty well I know the difference, i was just being typical WIP caller who freaks out because of the numbers in a deal and saying ‘that should be enough’ because they only make 50-60 grand a year and therefore think somehow their perception should be everyone’s perception
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 29, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ve read about the Happ, Matheison, Singleton and Gose package. I think it is way to much considering the Phillies are the only serious bidder.
You can argue that the Astros are essentially buying Singleton for 8 million dollars, but I think that the Astros would have to kick in money no matter who they get in return.
Unfortunatly for us, it seems once a deal involving the Phils gets leaked like this, it is usually 100% true.
not sure what the asking price is on bautista, but if it is anything beyond a fringe player or two, i dont see the need in making the deal. as much as dobbs is pretty poor this year, and ransom is unproven, bautista would only start for another month, and I just dont see the need in giving up any prospects for a month of service-time when the platoon is working at a replacement level
In terms of the trade, I’ll withhold judgment (like basically everyone) until I see the prospects being dealt. In terms of actual decision making on RAJ’s part, though, Dave Cameron just posted a pretty compelling piece on Fangraphs looking at the broad points.
I agree generally w/ him that the deal is complicated beyond sound bytes, but the most telling bit I think is that there is some argument towards commending RAJ for not basing future decisions on past mistakes, i.e. not getting Oswalt simply because he doesn’t want to admit that trading Lee was a poor choice. In other words, by getting Oswalt, at least RAJ isn’t sticking to his guns to the (perceived) detriment of the team.
Obviously, this doesn’t take into account the money, loss of Werth, actual need for Oswalt (of which I’m not convinced, for sure), etc, etc. Still — it’s the first actual defense of RAJ that gives me pause.
In other words, by getting Oswalt, at least RAJ isn’t sticking to his guns to the (perceived) detriment of the team.
We all make mistakes though. Yes it commendable that he’s willing to dust himself off but to a point. It is kinda in the job description esp. since their is alot of risk invovled.
I think what the article showed me and I don’t think it was the intent is that no one knows roughly what this team is capable of bankrolling or willing to bank roll. And unless you have a baseline you can’t gauge anything really. If I am working under the assumption that the Phillies are in the red as we were told then Amaro is just an asshole looking for the rush of closing a deal because this move could destroy our ability to remain competitive as we transition the team from old to new. If the money is there (and I know were not the Yankees) then perhaps we can absorb some cost and have the flexiblity to fill in the gaps with free agents. I just don’t want to end up like the DBacks 3 or 4 years down the road.
That’s a fair read. Again, I don’t really like getting Oswalt just because RAJ feels he needs to do something; whether or not this actually improves the team next year as well — which seems to be the preemptive company line — really does rely on whether or not the money is there. It’s really fascinating — read: horrifying, damning — that Amaro’s competence is dependent, at least in part, on the fungibility of the budget. Ideally, you’d like to see intelligent, cost-conscious moves regardless of wealth (not money-dumps, obviously, but valuation of cheap talent and a resistance to monster contracts).
I know you argue it wasn’t just about this year but, would you rather have
Lee this season and the prospect (proposed) going away for Oswalt plus the Type A Compensation
OR
Oswalt – minus the prospects – plus the extra 16 million that wasn’t on next years payroll without the compensation – and the additional 2 years (because I think the end the phillies will cave and pick it up)
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 29, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
I would rather have the latter, but I think reasonable minds can differ on it.
Two things: in #2 we also have the prospects we got from Seattle, plus we still have the potential for compensation picks two years further down the road when Oswalt’s deal ends, provided that we pick up his option.
Yes, I forgot about the prospects from Seattle and the presumption that Oswalt is a type A in two years. I don’t know exactly how that type of thing is determined. Is it the most recent couple years, entire career? Just saying, right now he looks like a Type A but is that guaranteed?
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 29, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s pretty complicated. I think it’s an aggregate of certain stats for the last three years? Not sure though. No, it’s not a guarantee that Oswalt is a Type A. It’s more likely than not, but he could get injured or what have you.
So the odds are in his favor but it was more likely Lee would be a Type A this off season than Oswalt would be in the next two? Just for reasons of injury/declining performance?
Is there any reliable age related performance decline type numbers out there that take into account the type of pitcher Oswalt is?
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 29, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes. I wouldn’t put it in terms of “injury/declining performance” as such. It’s just the fact that most of the stats that Lee would need to be a Type A were already “booked.” Whereas with Oswalt, there’s more uncertainty because the cutoff date is off into the future a ways.
Ok, thanks.
I just worry about Oswalt long term due to Size/Stature use, but that might purely be my own irrational paranoia
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 29, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
No, it’s a legitimate concern. We would need to deduct a certain % of the value of the picks for Oswalt as compared to the value of the picks for Lee. I don’t know if it’s because of size/stature or anything like that, but time introduces a level of uncertainty with respect to all players.
Additionally, when is the CBA up, because rumors indicate that the draft might be the most affected thing in the next CBA.
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 29, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
well great
adding legit starters never hurts. Losing Singleton does, but if there’s 1 thing that I don’t mind sending it’s a 1b prospect. We’ll just draft 20 more players with high upside and one will hit. Awesome.
agreed, even if you dont draft one, there is such an abundance of good hitting first basemen, you can pick up one. take fielder for example, he is a legit first basemen but every big market team is not in the market for first basemen. especially with howard locked down until 20-whatever, a good hitting first basemen is expendable for a top of the line starter
I think Fielder is different in that he’s a typical bad body player like his father. Those guys are prone to sharp, early declines. I think if Fielder were built thinner there’d be much more interest.
I agree with the overall point, but I hate trading over 50% of our top 20 prospects over the last 2 years for 3 starting pitchers.
I get that, what’s the usual success rate on a team’s top 20 prospects as in coming to the majors and being productive. Is it common that any given year a team’s top 20 will have a 50% fail rate
by Sept.28.Oct.27.Dec.28.2008 on Jul 29, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t know what the exact percentage is, but it has to be higher than 50%… If that were the case there would be a higher turnover rate in the majors.
Just an FYI...
Oswalt is scheduled to pitch today…
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i thought i read he was going friday
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by sports00fan00 on Jul 29, 2010 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah
in the original story it says he’s supposed to pitch tomorrow.
on a side note, the Astros don’t play today, so I’m assuming you saw that it was his turn in the rotation & assumed
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by sports00fan00 on Jul 29, 2010 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions
There is nothing more distracting than a trade rumor at work.
So far I have heard:
Happ, Singleton, Matheison and Gose
Happ, Worley, and Rizotti
Happ, Worley, Cosart and Colvin
and Happ, Worely one of (Cosart, Colvin), One of (Way, Hyatt)
the variance is so large, its unbelievable.
and if the Cosart Colvin trade happens I will send hate mail to RAJ
by Clyde Simmons on Jul 29, 2010 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Sooo true. I haven’t been able to get anything accomplished yet.
by Boundforbeach on Jul 29, 2010 9:02 AM EDT up reply actions
just watch this whole thing be a farce
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by sports00fan00 on Jul 29, 2010 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions
You may be onto something. I think it’s curious that Oswalt needs time to mull this over. Isn’t he the one who asked to be traded? And the Astros accommodated him. Now he needs to think about it. When is the last time you saw this happen in a trade of this magnitude? Oswalt was clearly aware that the Phillies have been talking about dealing for him for weeks. He could have easily told the teams he wouldn’t go to Philly.
To me, this just confirms the earlier reports that he really wanted to go to St. Louis. If he rejects this trade, he’s a giant ass…
by Boundforbeach on Jul 29, 2010 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m incredibly okay with this. Worley hurts a little, but I can deal with it.
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by Jose and the Contrarians on Jul 29, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Worley is a AAA pitcher that projects as a bullpen arm or a J.A. Happ in a couple of years. Not a huge loss if he goes.
by Clyde Simmons on Jul 29, 2010 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions
So....if we trade for Oswalt
that doesn’t mean we’re going to dump Halladay for more prospects, does it???
by Screen Name 20 on Jul 29, 2010 9:07 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
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I think he is. The reports are coming in with Worley and Happ going. The other prospect is hopefully Rizzotti.
by Clyde Simmons on Jul 29, 2010 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Other reports say Singleton is going. I think that’s going to be the case, unfortunately.
by philsandthrills on Jul 29, 2010 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions
The Singleton reports all didn’t include Worley and the Worley report has practically been confirmed in my mind.
People make the point that Wade needs help now to keep his job. I think Rizzotti could be starting in Houston this time next year…much more likely.
Someone pointed out that Colvin can’t be traded because he signed Aug 17th last year. Good Point!
by Clyde Simmons on Jul 29, 2010 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Who’s confirmed Worley? I’ve heard nothing that confirmed him.
by philsandthrills on Jul 29, 2010 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions
That’s not a confirmation at all. Twitter posts saying that they’ve “heard” some names are really pretty meaningless. Honestly, look at all the posts about Haren, and I don’t think you’ll once find the Angels mentioned. Reporting on this is basically speculation and guessing.
by philsandthrills on Jul 29, 2010 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions
our top prospects are usually untouchable, until they’re not
by Boundforbeach on Jul 29, 2010 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions
So
how long until we know for sure?
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Well by the deadline at the latest…which is the 31st. But I would say by the end of the day.
Looking forward to the Kevin Kolb era.
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unless he’s an attention whore like Brett Favre
by Boundforbeach on Jul 29, 2010 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions
or Lebron
the 3-hour Oswaltathon, maybe he’ll make his decision in the first half hour
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by sports00fan00 on Jul 29, 2010 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions
nice… “The Decision, Part Deaux” Wonder who would air it?
by Boundforbeach on Jul 29, 2010 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Jon Heyman
“happ, worley plus 2 pitching prospects wouldnt be bad for houston. but we will have to see what $ arrangement is, too.”
WTF?
Depends on the pitching prospects…but all that for what could be 2 guaranteed years of Oswalt, if the Phillies want it, that isn’t so bad.
Looking forward to the Kevin Kolb era.
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You could throw in say Scott Mathieson, or even J. C. Ramirez. We have a lot of decent arms, but if he wants somewhat close ones, then the options are limited and less damaging to the farm.
by philsandthrills on Jul 29, 2010 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah he reported that a while ago.
I think the Happ and Worley this is confirmed. It is basically who goes with him at this point.
by Clyde Simmons on Jul 29, 2010 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Cosart. Probably. Really no one to be honest.
by philsandthrills on Jul 29, 2010 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions
SI says that the trade would include, " Happ, righty Vance Worley, and two younger pitchers (Twitter link)" Link HERE: http://twitter.com/SI_JonHeyman/statuses/19822365067
Doesn’t say anything about Singleton. Hopefully we do not have to give him up
eff you we winning anyway
A.I. IS BACKKKKKKK
HBT: Calcaterra chatter:
Rumor is Happ, Rizzotti & Worley. And…
As for Oswalt’s decision: everything I had been hearing last week was that he didn’t want to go to Philly due to some combination of him (a) not feeling comfortable with the organization; (b) not feeling that they had as good a chance to win as St. Louis; and © simply liking St. Louis. In the last week, however, the Phillies have been on a roll and the Cardinals have appeared to not be a realistic match.
We all have desires in this world, but sometimes we have to adjust them when the facts on the ground make them unreasonable. Given that two of the three things that had been turning Oswalt off to the Phillies are no longer operative, he may just say “screw it” and go where he has a chance to win something this year.
http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/some-chatter-while-we-wait-for-roy-oswalts-decision.php
Well he is right about the not having as good of a chance of winning as St.Louis…at least for right now, but this team certainly isn’t done yet. Keep the deficit to 3 games or so, and just beat up on the Braves head to head.
Looking forward to the Kevin Kolb era.
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Well they are sort of in the midst of one, but I do agree…they are coming back down to Earth. I am still worried though…winning 7 in a row and still being 3.5 out…that’s a decent chunk.
Looking forward to the Kevin Kolb era.
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But they have All Star Omar Infante backing him up
by phillies fan in bowie on Jul 29, 2010 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions
That IS the BEST CASE scenario deal for the Phillies. Rizzotti is an interesting player, but nothing to us.
It seems a bit like a fleecing.
by Clyde Simmons on Jul 29, 2010 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions
I would lol if that was the trade. That would be highway robbery.
by philiafan14364 on Jul 29, 2010 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions
my head is spinning from all the reports. It’s hard to not get emotional about losing prospects because the anticipation of what they might become is part of the fun. Either way I hope it ends soon my productivity at work is severely slumping.
They call me The Professor.
Not likely
Either way I hope it ends soon my productivity at work is severely slumping.
—> I could see Oswalt waiting on this one.
Something doesnt add up here
One report has Happ, Singleton, Gose and Mathieson going
And another has Happ, Rizzoti, and Worley???
Those 2 packages ARENT EVEN CLOSE. wtf?
Another report has Happ Rizzotti and 2 A pitchers….
I think the Happ Singleton Gose and Mathieson was last night and has been debunked.
Worley is Def going.
by Clyde Simmons on Jul 29, 2010 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions
It's all rumors
Stop with that! Worley is definitely nothing!
by philsandthrills on Jul 29, 2010 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Bet whatever you want, but just because you’re confident, it doesn’t mean you have any support behind your opinion.
by philsandthrills on Jul 29, 2010 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions
there have been multiple sources this morning stating Worley is involved….its not my opinion.
by Clyde Simmons on Jul 29, 2010 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions
The only I heard was the Jon Heyman post, and now we have one from Rosenthal saying that it’s only 3 players, not 4.
by philsandthrills on Jul 29, 2010 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Who cares if Worleys going? Hes not that good, plain and simple.
by philiafan14364 on Jul 29, 2010 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions
It's all speculation
we’ll know in due time
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by sports00fan00 on Jul 29, 2010 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions
that’s because that’s all the original story said
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by sports00fan00 on Jul 29, 2010 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions
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by sports00fan00 on Jul 29, 2010 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Ken_Rosenthal
Source: Deal is 3-for-1. Happ in. #Astros would pay “very significant” part of Oswalt’s remaining salary, which is over 23M. #MLB #Phillies
Would almost have to include Singleton if that is the case.
by phanatic's phloozies on Jul 29, 2010 10:06 AM EDT reply actions
werth
Maybe by losing singleton and getting $ from Houston they think they still have a shot to re-sign Werth?
by phanatic's phloozies on Jul 29, 2010 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Doubt it. The money is to help with Oswalt’s deal, which is still putting us at or over budget. Brown’s going to be starting in the outfield next season, and Werth will be gone, unless by some miracle they can trade Ibanez or Victorino.
by Baseball Nerd on Jul 29, 2010 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Well I guess it depends on what 'significant' really means...
I don’t think a scenario where Ibanez has a torrid second half (he’s off to a good start) and becomes a modestly valuable trade chip in the offseason is completely far-fethced…though unlikely. I guess my point is, it wouldn’t have to be Werth necessarily but if they save say 15 mil over 3 years on Oswalt’s deal that gives them a lot of added flexibility.
by phanatic's phloozies on Jul 29, 2010 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
ken also tweeted this gem 45 minutes ago
Once again, we ask: Why did the #Phillies trade Cliff Lee? #Mariners #Rangers #TRADES #Indians http://tinyurl.com/3adfubw
thanks for re-stating/rekindling what the entire philies fanbase has been saying since the trade
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by sports00fan00 on Jul 29, 2010 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Well in fairness…if they get Oswalt, who is not as good as Lee IMO, they do get him for two years @ 16mil, second year being a team option…which they were not going to get with Lee. He would have been gone after this year.
Looking forward to the Kevin Kolb era.
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According to an anonymous source
I’ve heard the deal is Roy Oswalt, and Brett Myers, 10MM, and and three-way deal for Cliff Lee, all for Mayberry, Zagurski, and an IOU.
by philsandthrills on Jul 29, 2010 10:07 AM EDT reply actions
Can the IOU be paid in Monopoly money?
by Baseball Nerd on Jul 29, 2010 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Only if it’s the Monopoly Houston version.
by philsandthrills on Jul 29, 2010 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions
so....
Juan Castro?
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by sports00fan00 on Jul 29, 2010 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Interesting tweet from Michael Smith:
Phils wld need 2 compensate Oswalt 4 waiving no trade & 4 no income tax n TX. imagine that’d b part of $ discussions.
Looking forward to the Kevin Kolb era.
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the initial discussion was that his buyout for ’12 would increase to 5 mil
by Clyde Simmons on Jul 29, 2010 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions
I’d heard that as well, though it doesn’t seem to be a huge compensation if they say they’re going to pick up his option anyway, which has always been a sticking point for Oswalt.
by Baseball Nerd on Jul 29, 2010 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions
someone get him a cookie
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by sports00fan00 on Jul 29, 2010 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Will folks be extra/unfairly demanding of RoyO expecting the August dominance of Lee last year? Lee had come from AL to NL while RoyO has faced many of the guys he’ll see
by Sept.28.Oct.27.Dec.28.2008 on Jul 29, 2010 10:27 AM EDT reply actions
per athlete.com (wtf?)
Full Name : Roy Edward Oswalt
Public : Roy Oswalt
Nickname : Victorious Pitcher
Country : United States (USA)
DOB : August 29, 1977 (Age 32)
Place : Weir, Mississippi
Height : 6’ 0"
Weight : 185 lbs.
Sport : Baseball – MLB
Team : Houston Astros
Level : Professional
Status : Superstar
by Sept.28.Oct.27.Dec.28.2008 on Jul 29, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't see this mentioned here
but, per David Murphy
Only name I’ve heard for sure is Worley.
(In response to "Who other than Happ is going in the trade)
I’m going to let the phils trade any of their prospects they deem tradeable. who’s the last prospect we traded that is killing it right now that wasn’t worth the player we got back?
I could make arguments for Josh Outman and pretty much everyone in the Freddy Garcia deal, but your point is taken.
If anything the players like Outman that we have traded away have hurt our bench and bullpen depth. This requires us to sign guys like Beaz and Castro.
by Clyde Simmons on Jul 29, 2010 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Didnt Outman have Tommy John surgery?
by philiafan14364 on Jul 29, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes, currently rehabbing from it.
I don’t know if he’s going back into the A’s rotation after it though or going into the pen.
""Imagine if you go there to see Miss Universe and you end up having Miss Iowa..." - Miguel Batista
He has one of my favorite last names for a pitcher, ideal for a closer
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 29, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
I guess you can make the argument gavin floyd too, but don’t know if the change of scenery is what did it for him.
Saw Jason Donald in the highlights the other day, is anyone in the lee deal doing well?
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 29, 2010 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
the only people who should be upset if we trade prospects are the residents of Lehigh Valley, Reading, and Lakewood.
they’re mad when we call up players
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by sports00fan00 on Jul 29, 2010 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
and if we overpay and make the teams worse for no reason. Arizona gave up Haren for pennies on the dollar, why should the Phillies pay full price for Oswalt when there’s been less competition for him?
by philsandthrills on Jul 29, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
i recognize that, but the phillies recent trade history says that we are good at evaluating our own talent (not so much other farm system talent).
Obviously. But this year, it seems like everyone from BA, to Keith Law, and a whole other bunch of scouts have been pointing to Singleton as having a really great bat. Not exactly something to give up easily.
by philsandthrills on Jul 29, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Do we know we’re giving Singleton away at this point? The last i heard was happ and 2 pitchers, one most likely being worley.
We don’t konw anything, as far as I can tell from reading this thread, there are about 5 different packages out there floating in the ‘rumorsphere’ and everyone believes them all
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 29, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
No, we don’t. All I’m saying is I hope we don’t.
by philsandthrills on Jul 29, 2010 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
I mean, sure he started off quite good with Boyz N The Hood (you know ,the palatable version of menace 2 society) but since then, he’s been kind of a hack, not really on the shyamalan level, but still, not worth being concerned over losing him to texas.
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 29, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Singleton
Kid is 18 years old. And he has 44BB’s and 46 K’s. That’s pretty incredible.
by philsandthrills on Jul 29, 2010 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Sure, but what about that fast and the furious sequel?
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 29, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Sadly…there were 3 sequels. And they are making another one.
Looking forward to the Kevin Kolb era.
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Yes, but Singleton only did the worse one and I actually like the Justin Lin (The Big Hit) Tokyo Drift (and not just because he understood the need for hot scantily clad asian women in a way that Singleton forgot) but also because Lucas Black (American Gothic) should be a star
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 29, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The Big Hit is an excellent movie in my opinion, grossly under appreciated
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 29, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
It was better than I expected it to be. But I am not a Lucas Black fan. Though I have not seen American Gothic.
Shaun Cassidy was a surprisingly good tv show creator
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 29, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
But didn’t he do the do run run (am i dating myself?)
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 29, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
That, and Ed Wade gave away Curt Schilling for nothing, so I think were in for some good karma when it comes to this guy.
by philiafan14364 on Jul 29, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
lololol I have been saying the same thing.
by Clyde Simmons on Jul 29, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Nats manager was on MLB radio this morning and said that Strasburg definitely would not start (via Mike & Mike on ESPN radio as i ate my ‘breakfast’)
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 29, 2010 10:45 AM EDT reply actions
Cause I’ve started trying to lose weight and half an english muffin with peanut butter and an orange juice banana strawberry smoothie with a little yogurt isn’t really a meal to me.
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 29, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
That isn’t a meal, it’s a great meal.
Bananas, blueberries, yogurt and orange juice. Yum.
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by Jose and the Contrarians on Jul 29, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
I like the frozen strawberries (from costco) to add a little thickness…blueberries work too
I’m used to a solid hearty breakfast from when i was a kid, 2 eggs, half a bagel bacon/sausage…i’ll be hungry 2 hours earlier than normal. that’s all. I realize it’s not terrible it’s just not what I like :)
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 29, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Are the Phillies really looking at Jose Bautista?
Once everyone recovers from injury, where do you put a 30+ hr guy…. the bench?
Yup, cause he’s having a fluke season and the phillies regular starting 8 are better than he is
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 29, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
This
Looking forward to the Kevin Kolb era.
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Nah, he’s playing too well this year to bench him right now. He can play 3B and both corner OF’s regularly, and I think he’s played other positions as well. He’d never sit against LHP, and even against RHP I think he’d find his way into the lineup.
This would assume Rollins, Utley, Victorino being healthy and no one else getting hurt. Big, big, big if.
The question was prefaced with once everyone recovers, which to me meant everyone was healthy.
He’s also a righty performing much better against righties than lefties. (only 69 AB’s against lefties this year though)
So is he a better platoon option with Ibanz? Do you platoon Ibanez Brown Bautista and Francisco all together. How’s his outfield defense?
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 29, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
How much money will the phillies end up paying oswalt this year, out of their own pocket – anyone know how to figure that out?
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 29, 2010 10:51 AM EDT reply actions
So, all those prospects, all that finagling, and a ‘savings’ of 3.4 million dollars versus just keeping cliff lee for the one season and possibly on the hook for another 30+ million for the next two seasons? That seems to make sense to me.
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 29, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, you figure that Lee is gonna get at least 5-6 years, which is getting risky if anything happens. And those years will be about $20MM each.
This, vs. 2 1/3 years of Oswalt, at about for a total of around 30MM, depending on how much we get sent back. It’s a much safer bet.
Obviously, I would’ve loved Cliff here this year though, trading him was a fucking stupid idea.
by philsandthrills on Jul 29, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m not sure how much safer a bet it is but for a team that is making moves (seemingly) because of payroll concerns, taking on a 32 year old pitcher (I think) with 30+ million and two years left seems a bit irresponsible.
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 29, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions
i think i read $4.55 million somewhere
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by sports00fan00 on Jul 29, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
The key point is that Skip Bayless now believes the Phillies are going to win the world series if they can make this deal, and come on, with that kind of endorsement how do you not do this trade immediately?
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 29, 2010 11:01 AM EDT reply actions
I try to do the opposite of what Skip Bayless says.
"I remember being three and I wanted to be a baseball player, that's all I ever really wanted to be. That and Spider Man." -Raul Ibanez
by Jose and the Contrarians on Jul 29, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
But how can you not like the man who came up with the nickname team obliterator :)
Bayless and Eskin to me are kind of the same animal, but Bayless is toned down for tv
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 29, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah that’s a lot like saying wow, I’m glad that full house ratings are down now that urkel is on the air.
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 29, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Howard is a dickhead, at least Mikey Miss comes from the Gargano/Macnow mold (best duo) if I’m not mistaken. Vai and Gonzo don’t acknowledge each other on air it seems, Tony Bruno/Harry Mayes are cheesy but entertaining at least
by Sept.28.Oct.27.Dec.28.2008 on Jul 29, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Mikey Miss is a dickhead as well, a different kind of dickhead (which was my point) but still a dick head. Listen to him any time Ed Stefanski is on the radio, or any time he talks about Andre Iguodala, he has different targets, but he’s just trying to be an Eskin lite version, cause that’s what Philadelphia likes.
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 29, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
I hear ya, when Mikey first came back on 97.5 he seemed genuinely nice which got me over from wip, but I think the success is going to his head and his true eskinlite nature is coming out
by Sept.28.Oct.27.Dec.28.2008 on Jul 29, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
It’s funny you say that because Mikey Miss claims “Violations” to be his when its clearly Gargano’s shtick.
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yea i wonder what gargano would say about that
by Sept.28.Oct.27.Dec.28.2008 on Jul 29, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
I think he discussed it back when Mikey Miss came back. Anthony does it better anyway, he has an actual list that he’s made over the years and most guys know it by now.
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gargano is great, met him and really a nice guy
by Sept.28.Oct.27.Dec.28.2008 on Jul 29, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Seems like he would be. I met Glen and he’s a great guy as well.
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mikey needs to make sure it doesn’t go to his head, he’ll get a little eskindoucheness going at times, i thought it funny they put ike reese with howard to try and save the afternoons
by Sept.28.Oct.27.Dec.28.2008 on Jul 29, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
So
what happens if Oswalt says ‘no’?
do we have a plan B? like how we got Lee bc JP Ricardi is an idiot
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Plan B:
Bring in Mahoney.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
How ya doing, Mahomo? <—— Actual line from Police Academy 1
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Meh, close enough.
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cracks me up seeing him on sportscenter, kinda like matt millen and billy king giving their expert advice. If a GM/coach spent time on ESPN (besides Gruden) don’t hire him!
by Sept.28.Oct.27.Dec.28.2008 on Jul 29, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Can someone refresh my brain as to how JP Riccardi was involved in the Cliff Lee deal from Cleveland to Philadelphia?
If Oswalt says no, you move on, play the cards you have and realize that Oswalt guaranteed nothing but you save salary room to deal with the needs in the off season that trading for Oswalt prevents you from doing.
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 29, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
we wanted roy hall but jp riccardi wanted a shit-ton, so we went with lee
by Sept.28.Oct.27.Dec.28.2008 on Jul 29, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
So he was an idiot because he was demanding a kings ransom for probably one of the top 3 in his game with a full year and a half left on his deal?
Sounds to me like one of the true smart things he did. If he traded Halladay (who had a longer better track record than Lee) for the package the phillies gave up for Lee he should have been fired on the spot.
Halladay > Lee
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 29, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
tell that to Blue Jays ownership, whats weird is that drabek was untouchable and that is what JP wanted, then we ended up trading drabek for halladay 6 months later anyway
by Sept.28.Oct.27.Dec.28.2008 on Jul 29, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
The real kicker is the Phillies went back to the Jays in the offseason and gave them pretty much what JP was asking for mideason. Nice job Rube
by philiafan14364 on Jul 29, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
yup exactly, that is a big point i’ve been curious about
by Sept.28.Oct.27.Dec.28.2008 on Jul 29, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
But at the intitial trade, we weren’t allowed to negotiate with Halladay, and I think that was the issue. If you’re giving all of that up, you want to be able to sign they guy. They were able to do that this offseason, so they didn’t mind parting with Drabek then.
Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est.
bc he wanted Hallday but the asking price was too high so we went plan B & traded for Cliff Lee
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by sports00fan00 on Jul 29, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
we* wanted
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by sports00fan00 on Jul 29, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
i love sportsradio
“Why are we trading a guy who went 12-4 last year?!? this is crazy!!”
and
“Last time we made a deal with Houston, we gave them Michael Bourn who’s a GREAT ballplayer, and all we got was a broken down closer!”
now i’m obviously not in love with Brad right now (and i’m not alone, i’m sure), but Bourn’s a great ballplayer? not sure great is the word i’d use, but ok.
The correct come back is
“Do you believe the Phillies win the 2008 world series without Brad Lidge?”
If the answer is no then the bourn deal was awesome and besides, the only thing awesome about bourn is the nickname potential
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 29, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
that was exactly what Gonzo’s comeback was, almost word for word, lol
by gvntofly1021 on Jul 29, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
So this thing has apparently been done for a while now, with all thats left being Roys ‘approval’.
Question: how friggin long is it gonna take for him to approve this trade? Youd think he would have, ya know, thought about this ahead of time, right?
by philiafan14364 on Jul 29, 2010 11:19 AM EDT reply actions
It takes as long as he wants it to take. And he made it clear a few times he wants to take the time in his decision. There’s a lot of factors that go into it not the least of which is that while he wants to win I’m sure the pressure of playing for the Phillies fans (and radio) when he is used to the comfort and (somewhat) anonymity of Texas is probably an issue.
Of course, he might just be stalling as a tactic for the whole team option thing. The longer he waits the more panicked the phillies get (he thinks)
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 29, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
According to mlbtraderumors.com:
10:17am: The identities of the other two players going to the Astros remain unknown, but ESPN’s Jayson Stark says they’ve pushed hard for minor league first baseman Jonathan Singleton. Stark has an unconfirmed rumor that the Astros offered to pay $12MM to the Phillies in the deal.
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"College is only 4 years, but the Eagles are for life." - Ironhank
The rumor was 8, now they’re up to 12
they’ll pay 16 ruben, I just know it
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 29, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
"Astros owner Drayton McLane has been negotiating directly with Phillies president David Montgomery"
OMG GREATEST NEWS EVER
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"College is only 4 years, but the Eagles are for life." - Ironhank
Why?
Ed Wade is one of the few GMs in the game i think RAJ can get over on
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 29, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Because the owner is an idiot.
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quick bring W/L% hurrrryyyy
by Sept.28.Oct.27.Dec.28.2008 on Jul 29, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
So, here’s the thing. Is this trade necessitated by the poor performance of Joe Blanton (ostensibly the #3 pitcher this year) , because Kendrick has been (predictably) bad or the fact that Happ is still recovering from the injury?
What faith have they lost that they had when they made the Lee trade?
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 29, 2010 11:33 AM EDT reply actions
combination of the three?
In the 2 years he’s been in Philly (.5 08, 1 in 09, .5 in 10), he’s pitched statistically better in the second half. So I don’t think we have to worry much about him. Kendrick as you said is Jekyll and Hyde; I’m satisfied with him having a 50/50 shot of pitching like a #2-3 starter or giving up 5+ runs. And we already knew what Happ’s potential was. I think the trade was necessitated out of having a comparable playoff rotation to the Cardinals/Giants or the Yankees/Rays/BoSox. That and RAJ is an attention whore?
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
Ok, so that kind of makes sense, they somehow thought blanton and or happ was the #3 that made the phillies comparable to those teams listed? (I don’t think the giants count cause did anyone really see them as a contender early on?)
But that sort of makes sense. Thanks
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 29, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Well I wasn’t trying to compare them to a playoff team. Their rotation (the Giants) however is pretty well set up for the playoffs. Lincecum, Cain, and Zito/Sanchez if they get there.
Blanton and Happ are both #3-4 starters, Blanton more of an inning eater. But if you have a chance to upgrade the #3 spot, then I think you make the move. We saw last year the Cliff Lee effect, where our #1 could pretty much guarantee us wins, 1-2 wins a series. Better pitching = higher probability of winning out multiple series. It’s simple math.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
I look at it this way:
Until the deal is announced, no one is in the deal, until then it’s all speculative debate – it makes it easier on my brain
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 29, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Singleton needs to not be in the deal. It would be a lot to give up Singleton. If the Astros demand Singleton………………………. Singleton is part of the future for the phils
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I’m confused, as I understand it, the success or failure of domonic brown will decide the next 15 years of phillies success.
No offense to Singleton but aren’t power hitting first baseman one of the more easier prospect holes to fit? I mean the only reason Ryan Howard isn’t a DH is cause the NL doesn’t have one.
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 29, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Singleton’s upside is tremendous. He’s only 18, showing how mature he is already, more mature that Ryan Howard was when he made it to the bigs. And I believe he is more athletic that Ryan
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I’m not sure how much his athleticism matters, it’s first base, it’s where you put the non athletic guys.
If he were good enough and mature enough as you say they would move him to a position of greater need wouldn’t they (you know, like the gaping future hole at 3rd base) but why haven’t they?
How is it you know so much about Singleton all of a sudden?
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 29, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I have followed him ever since he was drafted. What do you mean “How is it you know so much about Singleton all of a sudden?”
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Then if he’s ‘so athletic’ (keep in Mind that aside from throwing to second, howard is a pretty good fielding first baseman) why aren’t they moving him to a position of greater need and value?
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 29, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I want to believe this:
Happ, Worley and Rizzotti for Oswalt + $10-12M
But that seems too good to be true…
lol
Houston would be getting shafted.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
Think back to 15 (or so) years ago. If Ed Wade made a similar deal that shafts the phillies, would you have been surprised?
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 29, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Or an overly reactive immature uneducated fan base
Or he likes texas
or he prefers staying in houston for one more season if no one is picking up his option anyway
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 29, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh yeah, the prospects that we got back from the Mariners in the Cliff Lee trade are doing terrible especially Amount with over a 7 era.
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Aumont was sent down to work on his control, which has been getting better.
JC Ramirez is pitching well.
Gilles is hurt.
These guys are all early 20s, lets not cast judgement that they won’t amount to anything
by Clyde Simmons on Jul 29, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
because ERA is clearly the way to judge his development.
by Clyde Simmons on Jul 29, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Player Development Evaluation Credibility Falling
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 29, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Aumont is doing fine since he was moved back to Clearwater, which is where he should have been to begin with. If Singleton were struggling in Reading, would you criticize him too?
http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=aumont001phi
I do have high hopes for Amount but I’m saying he isn’t doing well now
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http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=aumont001phi
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by SportingFanaticism on Jul 29, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Just noting it for the future, it was the second one in 3 minutes on the thread :)
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 29, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
the conclusion of coming up milhouse?
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 29, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I kind of hope he doesn’t get traded down the road. I know you’ve gotta be cold and calculating if you’re a GM, but in a purely sentimental sense it would really kind of suck for this kid to get so close to playing for his hometown team and then not do so.
Of course even if he makes the majors with the Phillies, chances are he’ll eventually leave for one reason or another anyway.
Oswalt plans to accept trade
Per ESPN News per source close to Oswalt
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 29, 2010 1:02 PM EDT reply actions
Roy Oswalt plans to OK deal to #Phillies, source says. But deal not official yet. More to come on ESPN.com #trades
by Sept.28.Oct.27.Dec.28.2008 on Jul 29, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
source
don’t screw with me
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by sports00fan00 on Jul 29, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Per ESPN News per source close to Oswalt
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 29, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
found it, nevermind
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=5420095
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PHINALLY. Now the only big question is whether Singleton is involved.
by Boundforbeach on Jul 29, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Just a funny thought.
After the Cliff Lee deal last year, I was talking to a friend about how we made such a great move in keeping our talented prospects and are staying youthful in keeping Drabek, a possible starter this year (this is what I thought last year).
The rotation would be around this time according to my thinking last year…
Lee-Hamels-Drabek-Happ-Blanton/Moyer
Reality if/when this deal goes through…
Halladay-Hamels-Oswalt-Blanton-Kendrick
Gee that’s cool looking.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
He’s the luckiest guy in the world really. How many times has he been up and down through the organization….and he’s still around and even in the starting rotation that includes a Cy Young winner, A Cy Young Candidate, a WS MVP and a Cupcake. That’s just awesome.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
That’s kind of a bad commentary on the organizational pitching depth ain’t it?:)
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 29, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Or a feel-good story of perseverance. The guy isn’t that bad, he’s just Inconsistency Incarnate.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
I can tolerate his presence as long as he isn’t making any real money. Once he hits arbitration, see you later.
Agreed. Maybe we can trade him for Kobayashi?
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
Are the phillies expanding into competitive eating?
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 29, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
Ah, never knew the details (cause wasn’t that interested really) but now i do – thanks :)
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 29, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
These kinds of days are awesome
by Sept.28.Oct.27.Dec.28.2008 on Jul 29, 2010 1:08 PM EDT reply actions
i’m referring to the general excitement, esp. considering the phillies have made some of the biggest news
by Sept.28.Oct.27.Dec.28.2008 on Jul 29, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
normally we’d be actually working or something, not spending all day on here, ala halladay trade day or last year’s deadline
by Sept.28.Oct.27.Dec.28.2008 on Jul 29, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, it’s quite a marked turn around from 2 weeks ago, huh? A 7 game win streak, an incredible debut for Brown and talk of adding another stud pitcher.
by Boundforbeach on Jul 29, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
yea haven’t thought of if they kept slumping and were making this trade, wonder if we’d think differently
by Sept.28.Oct.27.Dec.28.2008 on Jul 29, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
and speaking with friends familiar with the Phillies’ situation
now who played with Oswalt before who’s currently on the phillies?
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“I’m telling you Roy, it’s great. Even if you stink it up night after night after night, Charlie will always have your back”
by Boundforbeach on Jul 29, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
even if this was true, loyalty just swinged a potentially decent trade in our favor. I guess loyalty does have its pros
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 29, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
haha
quote of the day, rec’d
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by sports00fan00 on Jul 29, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
if this deal turns out to look like a fleecing when can we start calling houston our AAAA team
by Sept.28.Oct.27.Dec.28.2008 on Jul 29, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
michael bourne called brett myers who punched ed wade then e-mailed lidge
by Sept.28.Oct.27.Dec.28.2008 on Jul 29, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
& today just keeps getting better (minus the 8-hour car ride i’m leaving for in a half hour)
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by sports00fan00 on Jul 29, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
except I don’t… which sucks
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by sports00fan00 on Jul 29, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
or i can steal my mom’s droid & use that
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by sports00fan00 on Jul 29, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
thanks brotha i’m going tonight too, crap need outfit now
by Sept.28.Oct.27.Dec.28.2008 on Jul 29, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Phillies also after Jose Bautisa?
http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/209330-philly-still-after-bautista?eref=sihp
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down boy
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by sports00fan00 on Jul 29, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
12:12pm: Oswalt plans to OK the deal, but it’s not official yet, reports Stark. He adds that the Astros will be sending $11MM. Rosenthal tweets that Oswalt’s 2012 option will not be exercised; he’ll be compensated some other way. ESPN’s Jerry Crasnick tweets of a rumor that speedy outfield prospect Anthony Gose may be in the deal.
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Interesting that after all this, the 2012 option, the one thing Oswalt really wanted, won’t be exercised.
by Baseball Nerd on Jul 29, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
“He’ll be copmensated in some other way” – I expect the buy out amount jumps
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 29, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Which also makes him happy, since he doesn’t want to be here anyway he can leave one year sooner and go elsewhere.
by Baseball Nerd on Jul 29, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
No. We can still exercise the option. We just get to wait until later to make the decision, which is very valuable.
Yes. And if he don’t, Oswalt gets more money on the buy out and becomes a free agent. Which has got to make him happy, knowing that even if it isn’t picked up, he gets more immediately and enters free agency.
by Baseball Nerd on Jul 29, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
he don’t = we don’t. Bad typing day for me.
by Baseball Nerd on Jul 29, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
If they do not exercise his option, but like I said, they are not guaranteeing to exercise it now but they can decide to do so later. But to your point, I am sure because they are not guaranteed to exercise it now, the buy out will go up…I heard from 2 mil to 5 mil.
Looking forward to the Kevin Kolb era.
5-8-10...the day the Purdue Boilermakers basketball team won the 2011 NCAA Championship!!
This whole episode really makes me hate twitter. More conflicting information than an Iraqi disinformation campaign.
There are no Singletons in Houston.
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by Jose and the Contrarians on Jul 29, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, not really twitters fault but twitter is 99.9% garbage anyway
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 29, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Garbage? I found out yesterday through twitter that they are making Titanic 2….
Looking forward to the Kevin Kolb era.
5-8-10...the day the Purdue Boilermakers basketball team won the 2011 NCAA Championship!!
hahaha…apparently its about a bigger better ship named the Titanic that is to traverse the same route as the original Titanic 100 years later in honor of the ship…except a big storm propels an ice berg INTO the new Titanic…
Sounds great.
Looking forward to the Kevin Kolb era.
5-8-10...the day the Purdue Boilermakers basketball team won the 2011 NCAA Championship!!
Here's a funny for your troubles.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
I have never seen that clip. EPIC! Thnxs
by Boundforbeach on Jul 29, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Strasburg to DL, no chance to knock him around this weekend, damn
by Sept.28.Oct.27.Dec.28.2008 on Jul 29, 2010 1:19 PM EDT reply actions
Think he'll fly up & be in the dugout for the game?
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So what they are saying now is..
the deal is Happ, Worley, and Gose, for Oswalt + $11M and the phils add $1M to his buyout to get him to waive the no trade.
thoughts? i admittedly don’t know enough about Gose to render an opinion on this….
i saw that too, & am also uniformed about Gose, but I can’t wait to see Oswalt pitch tomorrow (if i get the game on tv in vermont)
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by sports00fan00 on Jul 29, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
acutally..
Here is Gose’s stats: http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=gose—001ant
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Gose is high risk high ceiling.
Super fast. Tremendous outfield arm.
Has held his own at every level while under the normal age at each level, which is pretty impressive. But he hasn’t yet excelled at any level. This would suggest that he will excel at a level once he’s the right age for it, but we haven’t seen it yet.
If this is the case, Ruben DIDN’T screw this one up?
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 29, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Frankly, it sounds like a pretty fair deal to me, for both sides. But I need to digest it a little more.
I’m actually pretty happy. Looking forward to you digesting this a bit more.
by Boundforbeach on Jul 29, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Certainly not the biggest hit we could have taken. Holding onto all of Singleton, Cosart, and Colvin is good for us.
by Baseball Nerd on Jul 29, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Gose is superfast with some considerable upside. He’ll likely grow into a Michael Bourn clone, but Gose and Gillies are almost the same prospect, so seeing Gose go is something I can easily live with.
wish they ran 40s in baseball, that’s how i get a good handle on speed lol
by Sept.28.Oct.27.Dec.28.2008 on Jul 29, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
19 yrs old & numbers say he’s fast (36 SB, 11 3B). Also horrificly bad base stealer – 27 CS
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weird, last year he was 76/96 SB CS 20, this year as stated above ^
by Sept.28.Oct.27.Dec.28.2008 on Jul 29, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
yup i saw, just wondering what the hell changed from last year to this year, to go from 76/20CS to 36/27CS
by Sept.28.Oct.27.Dec.28.2008 on Jul 29, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
prob does that sloppy fake bunt 1st pitch every AB thing
by Sept.28.Oct.27.Dec.28.2008 on Jul 29, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Speed is important to base stealing but we all know it’s not the only ting you need, and his putrid rate indicate that, but that’s something you can improve with good coaching and don’t the phils have good SB coaching?
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 29, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes this is exactly right. He’s basically running every time he gets on base this year, not picking his spots like you’re supposed to.
The feeling is that Lopes is a good SB tutor but is the feeling that it translates down through the system or is it just lopes?
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 29, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
so is that all that changed from last year to this year? weird
by Sept.28.Oct.27.Dec.28.2008 on Jul 29, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
They are different. Gose may develop power. Bourn was never expected to develop power. Bourn always had great strike-zone judgment. Gose has shown only flashes of that.
Anthony Gose (rumored to be going to Houston for Oswalt) = Mike Bourn 2.0. Eddie Wade likes speedy Phils OF’s, from twitter
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sounds like..
we are still waiting on confirmation that this is in fact the deal… i’ve seen this listed a handful of times, but they could all just be quotes of the original wrong info, if it’s not accurate… guess we’ll see soon enough.
by gvntofly1021 on Jul 29, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
And in additional good news, Buck Showalter will not be on ESPN any more – woo hoo
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 29, 2010 1:36 PM EDT reply actions
no lol
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 29, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I have no idea. Just wondering if I was completely unfounded in my perception. Which I am pretty sure I am. There is just some reason I don’t like him. But that is one of my shortcomings
by FearTheTurtIe on Jul 29, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
His OPS against is better than Halladay's
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jul 29, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Tell your Purple Row folks that our farm system is not quite as barren as they think/hope it is, at least not at the lower levels. It remains to be seen how good RAJ is, but it’s quite a tightrope to walk to keep competitive now but not limit yourselves to a window of opportunity, which becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est.
according to gargano/macnow deal looking to be official before game tonight
by Sept.28.Oct.27.Dec.28.2008 on Jul 29, 2010 1:38 PM EDT reply actions
PhuturePhillies
“Strongest rumor yet is that it is Happ, Worley and Gose for Oswalt plus cash. What a massive win for the Phillies.”
I disagree on the massive win, but it’s a win nonetheless
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 29, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
How does it comapre to the other rumors? Like the ones with singleton
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 29, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
From what I understand Singleton is a future monster, … 97.5 reported earlyer that it’s happ and 2-3 mid level 1A guys
Hey Dez, it's 2am do you know where your mother is?
by sowhatifitisasportste on Jul 29, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes – but that wasn’t my question
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 29, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry the deal has shifted in the Phills favor
Hey Dez, it's 2am do you know where your mother is?
by sowhatifitisasportste on Jul 29, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Singleton has very good potential to be a really, really special player with good strike zone judgement, good power, can hit for average and he’s still projectable.
No one in the current announced package is on his level. Gose may one day prove to be far superior (his ceiling is pretty ridiculous) or he may never make it past A+ if his power doesn’t develop and his strike Zone discipline remains inconsistent.
Compared to the other rumored packages
This is a complete win for us.
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Comparing it to the other packages yeah, it’s head and shoulders above for us. In the whole scheme of things, I think it’s just a win in general, but not on the level of fleecing
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 29, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
This is basically the exact opposite of the Halladay deal. We keep all of our major prospects and give up a ML ready pitcher and two if prospects.
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We should all now recant all those terrible things said about Ed Wade in the past :)
by Boundforbeach on Jul 29, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
"I remember being three and I wanted to be a baseball player, that's all I ever really wanted to be. That and Spider Man." -Raul Ibanez
by Jose and the Contrarians on Jul 29, 2010 1:45 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
We’re in the motherfucking extreme Red zone. Beware SMUG storms breaking out all over Philadelphia.
"I remember being three and I wanted to be a baseball player, that's all I ever really wanted to be. That and Spider Man." -Raul Ibanez
by Jose and the Contrarians on Jul 29, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe he’ll say “Cliff who?” when the first stupid question comes up about why the Lee trade was necessary. That would be awesome smugsauce.
by Boundforbeach on Jul 29, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I can already see the clouds rolling in…Ruben Amaro Jr. is feeling pretty proud of himself right now.
by Baseball Nerd on Jul 29, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
What does it mean
When they say that the team, instead of guaranteeing Oswalt’s 2012 salary, will compensation him “in other ways”? To me, that sounds like buying him a hooker.
Rumor is that the buy out (now at 2 million) goes up – i’ve seen reports of it going up anywhere from 1-3 million
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 29, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Russian Ballet for a night?
by Sept.28.Oct.27.Dec.28.2008 on Jul 29, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
97.5
Reported that it would bring his buyout up to 6 mil, also Huston would be giving the phillz 12m in cash
Hey Dez, it's 2am do you know where your mother is?
by sowhatifitisasportste on Jul 29, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
that’s a lot of cheddar, wheres that money go then, or just to balance contracts
by Sept.28.Oct.27.Dec.28.2008 on Jul 29, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Closer?
Hey Dez, it's 2am do you know where your mother is?
by sowhatifitisasportste on Jul 29, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
haha. Not just any hooker…a hooker with two boobs AND a nose job.
by Clyde Simmons on Jul 29, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
http://www.csnphilly.com/07/29/10/Trade-Is-Imminent-as-Oswalt-Agrees-to-Co/landing.html?blockID=279676&feedID=693
A person closely involved with the negotiations says that Houston Astros pitcher Roy Oswalt has agreed to waive his no-trade clause and come to Philadelphia.
Hey Dez, it's 2am do you know where your mother is?
by sowhatifitisasportste on Jul 29, 2010 1:48 PM EDT reply actions
My hope is...
That Oswalt enjoys playing in Philly this year enough to renegotiate his contact and we can extend him for two extra seasons. That way we can have the Roy-Roy-Cole 1-2-3 together for at least the next three years.
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you’d be amazed what winning does
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 29, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, it doesn’t mean a guy is going to take less money than he feels he’s worth and/or can get usually.
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 29, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
It does when he’ll be a 34 year old pitcher
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 29, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Why? Because since he’s older he’s gonig to take less money so he’ll have less money for retirement?
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 29, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
He’s going to be 33/34 when his deal “ends” in 2011 or he will be 34/35 after the 2012 team option. He won’t be able to demand 15+ million at that age.
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He’s born August 29th, 1977. At the conclusion of the 2011 season, he will be 34 years old
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 29, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Thank you sir. Just makes him older than I thought.
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I was kind of surprised at his age. But the Phils picked him up at the right time..too old to demand the world, too young to be past his prime
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 29, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
He will be good, per his health, well into his late 30s.
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Good, but not worth the 12-15 he will be getting next year and in his club option year. I’d probably say (arbitrary number) 8 million dollar good
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 29, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d say 10-12 million. He’s going to give you 3-3.20 Era and 15-18 wins a season. I know those are arcane numbers but I don’t feel like getting into WAR.
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No, because he’s older he will be worth less. The guy has bitched about winning and wanted a trade because winning isn’t possible in Houston. If he’s truly about winning, and he wins a World Series, I don’t see him wanting the world
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 29, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
He’ll most likely take whomever offers him the most money, like 99.9% of free agents
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 29, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
This remains to be seen. I like to place blind faith in people and hope that they won’t further the New York Yankee ideology
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 29, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, the Yankees invented capitalism
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 29, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
No, they just destroyed baseball
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 29, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, baseball seems to be destroyed.
I’m confused, I thought steroids ‘destroyed’ baseball?
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 29, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess it’s an opinion. I agree with the premise that steroids is bad for baseball, but it hasn’t put a bad feeling in my stomach than what the Yankees do. If the Yanks throw sums of money at Cliff Lee next year, I will be nauseated at that point in time. Same with Werth
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 29, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Well see, I disagree with both premises as the steroid thing has no actual proof behind it and the premise that the yankees destroyed baseball is disproven daily as league wide attendance hits new highs and the world series continues to be won by a variety of teams with a variety of payrolls as opposed to the yankees doing it every year.
I’m also always fascinated that the yankees are singled out when the red sox pretty much spend as much as they damn well please as well
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 29, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Completely agree on the singling out. I just truly hate the Yankees. I despise the revenue sharing situation, where some teams are continually bad, but because they are making a profit, stay in power. Basically, the rich get richer, and the poor get poorer
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 29, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
That isn’t the yankees fault, as it happens in all professional sports (poorly run teams don’t get new owners because of money – the clippers are often the most profitable nba team because their owner plays the system)
You blame the Yankees for issues that aren’t their fault. Cheap owners isn’t the yankees fault, poor revenue from tv deals isn’t the yankees fault, and again, the red sox are out there doing the exact same thing.
Look at the Twins, Carl Pholad has billions of dollars and yet doesn’t spend it as much as he could, how is that the yankees fault?
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 29, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
He hasn't even boarded the plane
yet and you’re talking about when he leaves after 2011 or 2012. I’ll worry about 2012 then, right now lets focus on our Gm didn’t shit the bed trading for a top line pitcher.
This is huge for a short playoff series for us now.
Or we could have a Cole sandwitch
Roy,Cole,Roy
Right Left Right
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by sowhatifitisasportste on Jul 29, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Sounds like an uh-oh Oreo. The worst part is in the middle instead of on the outside.
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R&R
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Sometimes I have the luck of being an idiot savant.
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Cole through 2012, Halladay through 2012, and Oswalt pos. through 2012, I think I’m right on all those
by Sept.28.Oct.27.Dec.28.2008 on Jul 29, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Cole – will be extended.
Halladay – seems like he wants to stay.
Oswalt – we will see.
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HUGE QUESTION
Can Oswalt’s Nickname be Wyatt?
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by sowhatifitisasportste on Jul 29, 2010 1:58 PM EDT reply actions
i did not see this reference coming from you
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 29, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Wyatt got the good name, his brothers were Virgil and Morgan
by Sept.28.Oct.27.Dec.28.2008 on Jul 29, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
The gangs all here
Kendrick = Morgan
Moyer = Virgil
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by sowhatifitisasportste on Jul 29, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Can't chance cole's name
Cause how cool of a name is Cole Hamels?
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by sowhatifitisasportste on Jul 29, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
For those who didn't get reference the late show
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXAhOlh8sIM
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by sowhatifitisasportste on Jul 29, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Good luck J.A. Happ I hope in 2 years everyone is calling for RAJ’s head for tradeing this kid away… that being said we’re in a position to win the WS this year and I hate to Trade away Good young talent I think this is a deal that halsto be done.
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by sowhatifitisasportste on Jul 29, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
The phillies only owe Oswalt 4.5-5.5 million this year and just got 12 million dollars in cash – so they ‘made’ 8 million (or so) on the deal cash wise.
I doubt it has any impact on the 2011 budget, in terms of overall spending.
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 29, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
11 million as part of the trade is a ton… basically the Phillies are paying him 5 million next year. Worth it!
Don’t forget he’s only going to cost 5ish million this year.
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Or he’s free this year and costs X next year
But somehow I doubt that imapct the overall level of the budgetary spend.
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 29, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Big question With Dom Brown up do you resign Werth or let him walk?
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by sowhatifitisasportste on Jul 29, 2010 2:04 PM EDT reply actions
I think it’s a foregone conclusion Werth’s not going to be here next year.
by Boundforbeach on Jul 29, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You re-sign him. The “budget” has not been busted by Oswalt. Phillies will pay him just $10 million total for this year and next year. The Astros have basically handed the Phillies the ability to re-sign Werth. Moyer’s 8+ million comes off the books and a collective 3+ million does as well. You can afford Oswalt and Werth.
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You don’t want Vic He’s having his best year…. how bout Ibanez? can we throw him under the bus insted?
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by sowhatifitisasportste on Jul 29, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Would love to see a Dom-Vic-Werth outfield next year
"World Champions...World F***in Champions" -Chase Utley
Whether or not the budget is busted, the phillies doubtfully have enough room in their budget to fit in werth. They didn’t have enough before this trade, according to all reports, and now they have less for next season.
Werth being gone has been and replaced by Brown has been a foregone conclusions for months pretty much
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 29, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually, the Phillies were going to have +4 million to spend without re-signing Werth or acquiring Oswalt. I can see the Phillies paying 10-12 million a year for Werth and being fine with it.
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they were going to have +4 million to spend
So now they have less than that but you think it’s more likely for them to bust their budget?
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 29, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes I do. If they are choosing to raise the budget even more, why not re-sign a starter instead of doing something that could hamper the chances of continuing this sensational run? Another go at the WS means even more money. The more the Phillies go to the WS the more the owners make in revenue. The budget should go up relative to success and the demand that needs to be met for it.
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How much additional revenue does a world series bring that giving Jayson Werth the 60-80 million he’s going to get in contracts is justified when he can be replaced at a much cheaper rate by Domonic Brown?
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 29, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Domonic Brown is more of a replacement for Ibanez. It makes much more sense to do it that way, especially since Ibanez comes off the books after next year.
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Domonic Brown doesn’t play left field, does werth?
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 29, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Dom Brown DOES play left field. In fact he was projected to be a LF in the majors.
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no
Brown was always projected in RF because of his plus arm strength. Taylor was always projected in LF coming up.
Also, I know that RAJ has stated that we will stay around the 140 million range for payroll, however with another WS win, I could see ownership changing its mind to up payroll to 150-155 area to keep this dynasty rolling
Only if they somehow make an extra 10-15 million dollars by winning a second world series.
There’s a limit to how much money they can make without a much better tv deal
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 29, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
How many more sell outs are they going to get that they don’t already get?
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 29, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Merchandise. That’s were they make money. Playoffs = more, WS = even more, Winning it all = even, even more.
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well if they up ticket prices next year, there will continue to be sellout crowds especially with WS win
In this economy, there’s no guarantee of that
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 29, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
If they rais ticket prices 1$ each
It comes out to $3,535,407
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by sowhatifitisasportste on Jul 29, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Yea took a grad sports finc class, tv deals are everything money-wise, that’s big reason for NFL’s rise, huge TV money
by Sept.28.Oct.27.Dec.28.2008 on Jul 29, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I think it’s a foregone conclusion that you let Werth walk and get the compensatory draft picks next summer. Dom is definitely next years starting RF…. UNLESS you somehow move Ibanez. Which is laughable at the moment.
the ability to move Ibanez is getting less laughable by the day
by Boundforbeach on Jul 29, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d like to hear from all the folk who couldn’t’ be bothered to worry about the length (or dollar amount) of his deal when it was signed who are now lamenting its lame duck ness :)
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 29, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
If we keep Singleton, think about this...
Within the next five years our outfield could be:
LF – Singleton
CF – Gillies/Hewitt/Gose/whomever is not traded or doesn’t bust
RF – Brown
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Presuming singleton gets moved to left field?
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 29, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, so you stated, and I’m going to ask again how many games has he played in LF? As it’s a bigger more immediate need you think they’d give him a shot if they felt he could play there?
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 29, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, for now the outfield is rather crammed. Remember, you have to get the max number of at bats and Singleton can play 1B unlike someone like Jiwan James.
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by Jose and the Contrarians on Jul 29, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
You beat me to it. At lower levels in the minors your position doesn’t matter as much. At bats do, though.
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If he’s a better prospect than the other position players in left field and he’s such a can’t miss guy, the sooner you move him to left field the sooner he adjusts and is ready. So either there are better prospects in left or?
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 29, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
See wildcatlh’s comment below.
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by SportingFanaticism on Jul 29, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
So you think that if he’s talented, he should be up immediately? You realize how rare it is for a player to come up at 19-20 years old and succeed?
No that’s not actually what I said. I don’t agree that he shouldn’t be moved as soon as possible. He can do it or he can’t, the sooner he starts the learn the sooner he’s ready.
Nowhere did I say he should be up right away, but if he projects as a major league left fielder – you find out sooner than later
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 29, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
there was an interview with Singleton where he stated he could play LF, has played it in the past, and would be open to it.
by Clyde Simmons on Jul 29, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I once said that I could play the piano. I couldn’t but i still stated it
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 29, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
And I played the piano in the past.
What a player says about his ability without actually doing it on the field (even in low minors) is irrelevant to me
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 29, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
this isn’t like playing the piano, it is a competitive sport. A coach would not play a player in LF if he couldn’t play there.
Regardless, I am not saying he definitely makes the transition, just that we could at least have the option in order to get an excellent bat in the lineup.
by Clyde Simmons on Jul 29, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Hewitt is a massive bust, i honestly don’t think he’ll ever move past A+ if that.
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by Jose and the Contrarians on Jul 29, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
not really
this is his third minor league season. he’s shown little progress, leading the SAL in strikeouts. Age-appropriate in A-ball, his line reads like this: 3.3 BB%, 33.9%, .331 SLG, .259 wOBA, .122 ISO. I’m sure he’s a nice fellow, but he really can’t hit a baseball.
I'm wondering
What happens with Moyer’s contract if he’s not able to come back?
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by sowhatifitisasportste on Jul 29, 2010 2:15 PM EDT reply actions
Update: Cards and Braves are BOTH losing in their day games. Everything truly is coming up Milhouse…
I'm stunned
If we get Oswalt plus 11 million for Happ, Worley and Gose then Wade is probably managing to get less return for Oswalt than he did for Schilling.
An absolute win for the Phillies to avoid giving up any of Cosart, Colvin or Singleton for a frontline starter with 1.5 years left on his deal.
I don't know.
I really liked what I saw in Vance Worley in that one perfect inning. Kid will become a hell of a pitcher in the future, I predict.
I was hoping that the only pitcher they had to give up was Happ. I have a feeling that Vance will become something special down the line.
"12:51pm: Gose and Happ are definitely in the deal, tweets CSN Philly's Jim Salisbury."
So the Worley part is still a question.
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“Perhaps Wade got confused and thought he was brokering the deal for Philly.”
by ajay on Jul 29, 2010 2:26 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Wade
What a friggin’ tool. If the deal is what it sounds like it is, is there any way to think he didn’t get robbed?
I mean – they’re paying us $11M?!?!?!
by David S. Cohen on Jul 29, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
TY
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