Roy Oswalt is Just About, Almost, Super-Close to Joining Phillies Pending Physicals...
by WholeCamels on Jul 29, 2010 2:29 PM EDT
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PrintUPDATE (2:47 pm): Per @Ken_Rosenthal on Twitter, the prospects are Happ, Gose, and Jonathan Villar.
... and we still aren't SURE who the Phillies are sending to Houston.
Let this be your Roy Oswalt Overflow/Update Thread.
Sexy career stats here.
| Year | Team | G | GS | W | L | SV | CG | SHO | IP | H | R | ER | HR | BB | K | ERA | WHIP |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2001 | Astros | 28 | 20 | 14 | 3 | 0 | 3 | 1 | 141.2 | 126 | 48 | 43 | 13 | 24 | 144 | 2.73 | 1.06 |
| 2002 | Astros | 35 | 34 | 19 | 9 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 233 | 215 | 86 | 78 | 17 | 62 | 208 | 3.01 | 1.19 |
| 2003 | Astros | 21 | 21 | 10 | 5 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 127.1 | 116 | 48 | 42 | 15 | 29 | 108 | 2.97 | 1.14 |
| 2004 | Astros | 36 | 35 | 20 | 10 | 0 | 2 | 2 | 237 | 233 | 100 | 92 | 17 | 62 | 206 | 3.49 | 1.24 |
| 2005 | Astros | 35 | 35 | 20 | 12 | 0 | 4 | 1 | 241.2 | 243 | 85 | 79 | 18 | 48 | 184 | 2.94 | 1.20 |
| 2006 | Astros | 33 | 32 | 15 | 8 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 220.2 | 220 | 76 | 73 | 18 | 38 | 166 | 2.98 | 1.17 |
| 2007 | Astros | 33 | 32 | 14 | 7 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 212 | 221 | 80 | 75 | 14 | 60 | 154 | 3.18 | 1.33 |
| 2008 | Astros | 32 | 32 | 17 | 10 | 0 | 3 | 2 | 208.2 | 199 | 89 | 82 | 23 | 47 | 165 | 3.54 | 1.18 |
| 2009 | Astros | 30 | 30 | 8 | 6 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 181.1 | 183 | 83 | 83 | 19 | 42 | 138 | 4.12 | 1.24 |
| 2010 | Astros | 20 | 20 | 6 | 12 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 129 | 109 | 52 | 49 | 13 | 34 | 120 | 3.42 | 1.11 |
| career | Total | 303 | 291 | 143 | 82 | 0 | 19 | 7 | 1932.1 | 1865 | 747 | 696 | 167 | 446 | 1593 | 3.24 | 1.20 |
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WholeCamels
What’s the limit on a SBnation thread?
by Sept.28.Oct.27.Dec.28.2008 on Jul 29, 2010 2:33 PM EDT reply actions
YOUR IMAGINATION!
No really, I’m not sure but I know that starting above 400-500 it makes some browsers go wonky, and it can be a shore to navigate hundreds of comments.
http://www.thegoodphight.com
ah yea firefox was getting a little sloooooooooow
by Sept.28.Oct.27.Dec.28.2008 on Jul 29, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Wade
What a friggin’ tool. If the deal is what it sounds like it is, is there any way to think he didn’t get robbed?
My only hope is that this ‘former GM violation’ can leech into other sports as BIlly King is now back in the NBA
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 29, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
If Happ has enslaved a colony of little green men with Irish accents to ensure his strand rate stays where it’s at.
"I remember being three and I wanted to be a baseball player, that's all I ever really wanted to be. That and Spider Man." -Raul Ibanez
by Jose and the Contrarians on Jul 29, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Gose, Happ, Worley for Oswalt and $11M.
by David S. Cohen on Jul 29, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Happ, Worley and Gose for Oswalt + 11 million
by Clyde Simmons on Jul 29, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe
Wade is a mole still on the Phillies Payroll. He helps us to a championship in 2008 by giving us Linge, now he’s trying to help us with a second one with the Oswalt trade. He’s helped much more as the Astros GM than he ever did as the Phillies GM.
I'm not drunk I'm just drinking.
by no1pipelayer on Jul 29, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Wait, he has his lowest whip of his career since his first season this year? That’s awesome sauce.
His K rate seems to be pretty high just based on a quick glance at his K’s per ip this year versus previous years…again back to 2001.
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 29, 2010 2:33 PM EDT reply actions
Is there someway to see his run support per game for his career/by season?
I’d like to see how playing in Huston has affected his pitching.
Formerly RyanGiggs11, currently a Contributor to SBN Philly // @scotkess
"College is only 4 years, but the Eagles are for life." - Ironhank
Question:
After comparing Happ’s 2009/2010 stats to Oswalts 2009/2010 stats…
Is Oswalt really that much of an improvement over a (presumably) healthy Happ?
Are we really getting something better here?
YES
Hey Dez, it's 2am do you know where your mother is?
by sowhatifitisasportste on Jul 29, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
You're taking Happ's one year and comparing it to Oswalt's 9th in the majors?
Doesn’t make much sense.
Oswalt > >>>>>> > Happ
Happ had one nice year as a rookie. Oswalt has been having great seasons since ’01.
Formerly RyanGiggs11, currently a Contributor to SBN Philly // @scotkess
"College is only 4 years, but the Eagles are for life." - Ironhank
by Scott Kessler on Jul 29, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks David, exactly what I was looking for.
Formerly RyanGiggs11, currently a Contributor to SBN Philly // @scotkess
"College is only 4 years, but the Eagles are for life." - Ironhank
by Scott Kessler on Jul 29, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
What's our average
for this year when Hallday/Hamels pitches…
Oswalt is consistent and proven, ill take Oswalt for sure, but that idea that we doesnt really want to play in Philly is a little disturbing
He’s given the trade a thumbs up so he must want to play here … or not want to play for huston eithor way he’s happier here than then huston
Hey Dez, it's 2am do you know where your mother is?
by sowhatifitisasportste on Jul 29, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Tradition
I was hoping that Cliff Lee/Roy Halladay might have helped break that stereotype but I guess not because people still don’t want to come/stay here.
see Drew, JD; Rollen, Scott; Schilling, Curt
I'm thinking the thought
That the Prospects that the Phillz got from the Lee deal are beter than what they gave up for Oswalt and scored 11mil out of the deal so is it a win for RAJ?
I understand Lee > Oswalt but still
Hey Dez, it's 2am do you know where your mother is?
by sowhatifitisasportste on Jul 29, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I was just wondering this, who gets to write an addendum to the analysis of the Lee/Halladay/Oswalt + prospects and $ SAGA
by Sept.28.Oct.27.Dec.28.2008 on Jul 29, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
WC Where you at ??? I’m sure you’re wheels are turning
Hey Dez, it's 2am do you know where your mother is?
by sowhatifitisasportste on Jul 29, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
him and cohen are riding bikes to the library to work on this project, due tomorrow
by Sept.28.Oct.27.Dec.28.2008 on Jul 29, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Good point
Just want this to be final so we know for sure.
Drew didn’t want to play here
Rolen did until the Vet turf started wrecking his back
Schill did. But he and Rolen were both critical of mgmt. Those were dark days. We wouldn’t spend the money, which the team always claimed was because they didn’t have the luxury boxes etc that the Bank brought. Even though Schilling was/is an ass and talks too much, you couldn’t complain about his heart or willingness to take the ball.
As for Rolen, that shit field and the dickiness of Bowa combined to make him want to leave. Cincy seems sure happy to have him. And w/o looking it up, I’d bet no one at 3rd has better power numbers than Rolen since he left. Polanco may be on pace to better his average.
What a surprise...
ESPN MLB insider Jayson Stark says the Roy Oswalt deal to the Phillies is in Oswalt’s hands. Stark thinks the Phillies would have been better off keeping Cliff Lee.
Not 100% on that, we have Oswalt for next year and poss 2012 where Lee was gone after this year
by Sept.28.Oct.27.Dec.28.2008 on Jul 29, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Lee is a better pitcher but i doubt us signing him after this year, who knows
by Sept.28.Oct.27.Dec.28.2008 on Jul 29, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t completely. Lee was for this year only, whereas Oswalt is around at minimum next year and possibly 2012. It’s unfortunate that the prospects we received for Lee aren’t having incredible years, because then I believe that the deal would be seen in a different light. I think that RAJ did have the right idea in trading Lee in order to restock the farm system. And I am SO sick of hearing about this topic. It’s getting almost as bad as the national media talking about how under appreciated McNabb was when he was here.
by FearTheTurtIe on Jul 29, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
We’re giving up 3rd tier prospects + Happ. I’m really liking the trade.
Formerly RyanGiggs11, currently a Contributor to SBN Philly // @scotkess
"College is only 4 years, but the Eagles are for life." - Ironhank
by Scott Kessler on Jul 29, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
AND GETTING 11 MILLION DOLLARS
Hey Dez, it's 2am do you know where your mother is?
by sowhatifitisasportste on Jul 29, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Eithor way you look at it it’s a win.
Hey Dez, it's 2am do you know where your mother is?
by sowhatifitisasportste on Jul 29, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Gose, Worley and Happ for Oswalt + $11 million
Formerly RyanGiggs11, currently a Contributor to SBN Philly // @scotkess
"College is only 4 years, but the Eagles are for life." - Ironhank
by Scott Kessler on Jul 29, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
don’t think of it as losing
by Sept.28.Oct.27.Dec.28.2008 on Jul 29, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
According to Ken Rosenthal, the 2012 option is a mutual one...
So if Oswalt doesn’t want to stay and declines the option, we pay nothing and he becomes a FA.
Formerly RyanGiggs11, currently a Contributor to SBN Philly // @scotkess
"College is only 4 years, but the Eagles are for life." - Ironhank
So eithor the Phillz or Oswalt can back out of 2012 however, If the Phillz back out it’s gona cost them 5 Mil.
What that tells me is he’s gona pitch his ass of in 2010-2011 so he can command a huge chunck of change in FA…. good for us right?
Hey Dez, it's 2am do you know where your mother is?
by sowhatifitisasportste on Jul 29, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
At this rate
TGP may end up needing a 3rd thread for this topic… dare i say it EPIC
Hey Dez, it's 2am do you know where your mother is?
by sowhatifitisasportste on Jul 29, 2010 2:46 PM EDT reply actions
You’ve been dared, good sir.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
good thing we all care about jobs, right…
by Sept.28.Oct.27.Dec.28.2008 on Jul 29, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Repo men work at night
Hey Dez, it's 2am do you know where your mother is?
by sowhatifitisasportste on Jul 29, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m gona rec this cause it made me laugh
Hey Dez, it's 2am do you know where your mother is?
by sowhatifitisasportste on Jul 29, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Rosenthal just updated...
and now he says it’s Happ, Gose, and Villar (he actually said, villan, but it’s villar, right?)? what’s the difference in impact of moving Worley vs. Villar? this is the first time i’ve heard his name, btw…
I don't know much about Villar.
Is he the kid with like 55 errors in low A ball?
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"College is only 4 years, but the Eagles are for life." - Ironhank
by Scott Kessler on Jul 29, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
So he’s another high risk/high reward type?
Would you rather lose him or Worley?
Formerly RyanGiggs11, currently a Contributor to SBN Philly // @scotkess
"College is only 4 years, but the Eagles are for life." - Ironhank
by Scott Kessler on Jul 29, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually said to have a great glove...
He has monster range in the field which means he gets to a lot of balls and just doesn’t finish the play. The low minors field conditions tend to add a bunch of errors for guys like him as well.
by phanatic's phloozies on Jul 29, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
So he gets the cheerleader to the prom and passes out at the after party
Hey Dez, it's 2am do you know where your mother is?
by sowhatifitisasportste on Jul 29, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
not yet
I want to savor a team passing another team, hopefully
by Sept.28.Oct.27.Dec.28.2008 on Jul 29, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
It's kinds retarted
that all sports center halsto talk about is some dog and T.O’s late arrival…….
Hey Dez, it's 2am do you know where your mother is?
by sowhatifitisasportste on Jul 29, 2010 2:50 PM EDT reply actions
Depends on who’s on … See I don’t spell so well and some people who will remain nameless wait for me to comment then call me out on it.
Hey Dez, it's 2am do you know where your mother is?
by sowhatifitisasportste on Jul 29, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
yup Villan 43 errors this year
by Sept.28.Oct.27.Dec.28.2008 on Jul 29, 2010 2:53 PM EDT reply actions
For Oswalt and 11 million
This is a huge win for RAJ
Hey Dez, it's 2am do you know where your mother is?
by sowhatifitisasportste on Jul 29, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
some saying help from pat gillick to get deal done, thank god
by Sept.28.Oct.27.Dec.28.2008 on Jul 29, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Again? so RAJ really still isn’t a big boy GM?
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 29, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s what the 11 million is really for.
by Baseball Nerd on Jul 29, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
that's what she said
"I want to hand this trophy to the MVP of the Super Bowl -- and the MVP of the entire league, Drew Brees.''
-- Sean Payton
by DeuceisLoose926 on Jul 29, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Saturday
Hey Dez, it's 2am do you know where your mother is?
by sowhatifitisasportste on Jul 29, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes
Hey Dez, it's 2am do you know where your mother is?
by sowhatifitisasportste on Jul 29, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Tomorrow was when they were both suppose to pitch, so I guess he would pitch tomorrow.
by phillyphan9208 on Jul 29, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Happ Friday, Cookies Saturday, was the original schedule.
by WanderingMoses on Jul 29, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
No, he pitches Saturday. I was looking up the matchups since I’m going to Friday and Saturday games in DC.
by phillyphan9208 on Jul 29, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Really, your going? We should totally meet up!
by phillyphan9208 on Jul 29, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
So would he start fo us tomorrow - FRIDAY??
thats his scheduled date… BTW Thanks Ed – you owed us.
Sweet
Hey Dez, it's 2am do you know where your mother is?
by sowhatifitisasportste on Jul 29, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes it’s a bigtime win… for now
Hey Dez, it's 2am do you know where your mother is?
by sowhatifitisasportste on Jul 29, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
What’s this about Rockies looking at Blanton?
Hey Dez, it's 2am do you know where your mother is?
by sowhatifitisasportste on Jul 29, 2010 3:00 PM EDT reply actions
Sports Center just said somthing about it … said they have become sellers and are looking at Blanton. Don’t ask me why
Hey Dez, it's 2am do you know where your mother is?
by sowhatifitisasportste on Jul 29, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m not sure if I want Ubaldo. Post ASB he’s been shitting the bed and that’s not what we need right now. Who’s thier closer?
Hey Dez, it's 2am do you know where your mother is?
by sowhatifitisasportste on Jul 29, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Huston Street.
The Rockies don’t want Blanton, though. He’s not a prospect. He’s not going to help them rebuild.
first reaction
This is a marvelous trade for the Phils.
Happ is a decent #4 starter whom you can’t use in the playoffs. Gose could be special if he fills out and learns how to steal bases, but athletic OFs are the one thing our system has in bulk. Villar is a decent-upside prospect who’s years away, might or might not be able to stick at SS, and has no power.
For that, we get a borderline ace at a basement price, keep our top five or six prospects, and keep guys like Worley and Mathieson whom we’ll need to promote for budget reasons. Huge win for Amaro.
thanks for the help gillick, if that is true
by Sept.28.Oct.27.Dec.28.2008 on Jul 29, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
You forgot the 11 Mil
Hey Dez, it's 2am do you know where your mother is?
by sowhatifitisasportste on Jul 29, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
he can take his 43 errors south
by Sept.28.Oct.27.Dec.28.2008 on Jul 29, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Perfect analysis dajafi
But forgot one thing – we get the ace for at least a year and a half, if not another year after that.
by David S. Cohen on Jul 29, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Phuture Phillies
“I love Villar, but the deal makes a ton of sense for the Phillies, and with the cash, is a massive win.”
What lame Roy-Roy nicknames are going to be unleashed upon/by the Philly fans?
Formerly Bye, Dawk :(
It’s all good, took me a second to think about it also
Preaching the Inglewood Jack
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 29, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Doc and Wyatt
Hey Dez, it's 2am do you know where your mother is?
by sowhatifitisasportste on Jul 29, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
What would you do if you had the Phillz GM spot?
I’d tell you what I’d do
Two Roys at the same time
Hey Dez, it's 2am do you know where your mother is?
by sowhatifitisasportste on Jul 29, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
You think you’d need to be philliz GM spot to get two roys at the same time?
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 29, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Gose Villar Happ for Oswalt and 11 Mil
Hey Dez, it's 2am do you know where your mother is?
by sowhatifitisasportste on Jul 29, 2010 3:06 PM EDT reply actions
k gonna go outside since it is pretty much done, damn sun makes me guilty
by Sept.28.Oct.27.Dec.28.2008 on Jul 29, 2010 3:09 PM EDT reply actions
Deal done, source said. Oswalt and cash for Happ, Gose and Villar.
(And thats via Zolecki)
@Mitchman88 on Twitter
So
What are they saying at Astros SB nation?>
Hey Dez, it's 2am do you know where your mother is?
by sowhatifitisasportste on Jul 29, 2010 3:15 PM EDT reply actions
Its one thing to trade Roy to rebuild. But to trade Roy for the sake of trading him was a bad move. We probably could have gotten a better deal in the offseason.
i want singleton…if its 4…then i can settle without him possibly
I know, but it seems like we’re setting ourselves up to be the modern version of the ‘85 Cardinals. Ozzie Smith, Willie McGee, and Vince Coleman, meet Jonathan Villar, Anthony Gose, and Michael Bourn. I don’t like it.
11 mil
seems like a gross overpay.
Hey Dez, it's 2am do you know where your mother is?
by sowhatifitisasportste on Jul 29, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Quote from poster at Astros SB Nation:
@Mitchman88 on Twitter
by Mitchell Green on Jul 29, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Yahoo's Tim Brown reports that the Phils have already agreed to pick up Oswalt's 2010 option!
Really?
Wow, this is def a win for the phillies and Ruben
The 11 mil is huge and a lot of people keep talking about happ being young. But, he will be 28 at the end of this year and while he’s a nice pitcher, there’s not much upside. I do hope he does well in Houston.
"I want to hand this trophy to the MVP of the Super Bowl -- and the MVP of the entire league, Drew Brees.''
-- Sean Payton
by DeuceisLoose926 on Jul 29, 2010 3:20 PM EDT reply actions
If he was 24 it’s a diffrent story but 28 isn’t old however the older you are the smaller your upside is.
Hey Dez, it's 2am do you know where your mother is?
by sowhatifitisasportste on Jul 29, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, I agree.
Happ may pitch another 10 years and be serviceable, but he will probably certainly never be a top of the rotation kind of guy.
"I want to hand this trophy to the MVP of the Super Bowl -- and the MVP of the entire league, Drew Brees.''
-- Sean Payton
by DeuceisLoose926 on Jul 29, 2010 3:25 PM EDT reply actions
By serviceable, I mean solid - not Kendrick serviceable.
"I want to hand this trophy to the MVP of the Super Bowl -- and the MVP of the entire league, Drew Brees.''
-- Sean Payton
by DeuceisLoose926 on Jul 29, 2010 3:25 PM EDT reply actions
Good time to be a Phillz fan
08 WSFC , 09 NL Champs, 10 Doc, Wyatt, Hamels and god willing 11 WSFC
Hey Dez, it's 2am do you know where your mother is?
by sowhatifitisasportste on Jul 29, 2010 3:33 PM EDT reply actions
Astros fans feel like they were robbed at gunpoint.
Hey Dez, it's 2am do you know where your mother is?
by sowhatifitisasportste on Jul 29, 2010 3:38 PM EDT reply actions
Can’t really blame them? I’d be pretty unhappy too. Not to mention Ed Wade is their GM.
@Mitchman88 on Twitter
by Mitchell Green on Jul 29, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
The Astros problems start higher than the GM – they have a not so good meddling owner
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 29, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
From Crawfish Boxes:
EDIT: FOX Sports’ Ken Rosenthal is reporting that the Astros have flipped Anthony Gose to the Blue Jays for Brett Wallace. Another article to follow analyzing this move!
"If chaos drives, let suffering hold the reins!"
Astros Acquire Brett Wallace From Blue Jays for Anthony Gose
"If chaos drives, let suffering hold the reins!"
by PhillyFan20XX on Jul 29, 2010 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Hasn’t Brett Wallace been traded like 4 times in the past few years
"Bills everywhere, trill everything, and Drake just stand for Do Right And Kill Everything..."
Couldn't tell you...
I’d never even heard of him until now.
"If chaos drives, let suffering hold the reins!"
by PhillyFan20XX on Jul 29, 2010 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions
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