DONE!: Astros trade RHP Roy Oswalt to Phillies for LHP J.A. Happ, Prospects Gose and Villar
by WholeCamels on Jul 29, 2010 3:10 PM EDT
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The courtship is over, and seeing as they were the only legitimate buyer on the market, the sale was made! The Phillies acquired right handed pitcher Roy Oswalt from the Houston Astros in exchange for lefty J.A. Happ, and minor league prospects Anthony Gose (OF) and Jonathon Villar (SS), plus $11 million.
If that sounds like a good deal for the Phillies, that's because it is. J.A. Happ is a nice pitcher, Gose has tremendous potential, and Villar is emerging as an intriguing infield prospect, but the Phillies really just got an ace-quality starting pitcher to slot behind Roy Halladay in the rotation, at a huge discount, through 2011.
Oswalt's 2012 option has also apparently been converted into a "mutual" option. More on this as we learn about it.
So here we are: Roy Oswalt. Welcome to Philadelphia!
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Great trade! Can’t believe we got Oswalt without losing Singleton, Cosart, or Colvin, and we get $11 million of his contract paid.
So
Basically we are in the same situation as before this trade, cept with less prospects, more payroll, no bullpen help, no bench help.
ummm.....
except we now have Roy Oswalt.
by David S. Cohen on Jul 29, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
So you swap Happ for Oswalt.
It still doesn’t help we have no closer, our bullpen is messy & our bench is AA ish
Yes actually it does help, cause you upgraded your 3rd/4th starter immensely. Closers are inconsistent and the bench is a mess now because of all the injuries.
Or did you ignore those?
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 29, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Um, yes it does help.
Sure, we have a lousy bullpen and bench, but when you improve your rotation like this you have bigger leads for the bullpen to protect and fewer runs for your hitters to worry about producing.
Well see, if you get fewer runs – because Roy will still give up runs – that means the bullpen is more needed.
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 29, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow, I mean it’s nice to be wrong. This is the Hollywood ending of Moby Dick that the focus group preferred. The whale dies, Ahab’s leg grows back, the Pequod doesn’t sink….
by j reed on Jul 29, 2010 3:20 PM EDT reply actions 5 recs
my reaction from previous thread
This is a marvelous trade for the Phils.
Happ is a decent #4 starter whom you can’t use in the playoffs. Gose could be special if he fills out and learns how to steal bases, but athletic OFs are the one thing our system has in bulk. Villar is a decent-upside prospect who’s years away, might or might not be able to stick at SS, and has no power.
For that, we get a borderline ace at a basement price, keep our top five or six prospects, and keep guys like Worley and Mathieson whom we’ll need to promote for budget reasons. Huge win for Amaro.
I disagree. Happ was never given the chance to start in the playoffs, why i don’t know. He was basically our most productive pitcher last season.
It doesn’t help any of our current needs at all ( pen, closer, bench ). Unless Roswalt is going to closer, be relief and be that RHB off the bench
Nope, Happ did pitch in the 2009 NLDS, game 3. He gave up three earned runs and two walks in three innings, while striking out four.
The point is that his rookie season was likely flukish, and Oswalt is a much surer bet for the next couple years. Happ’s peripherals all indicated that he would fall back to reality soon.
by Baseball Nerd on Jul 29, 2010 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
True but as Dajafi and I noted in fairness to Happ he wasn’t 100%. Doesn’t mean his ‘09 wasn’t flukish though.
Yep, he wasn’t 100%, and I should have noted that in my post. But it really doesn’t matter, the point is that Happ, for a number of reasons, shouldn’t be expected to repeat his ’09 performance once hitters get more chances at him.
by Baseball Nerd on Jul 29, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
This.
My analysis exactly. Credit where it’s due to Ruben Amaro — I still can’t believe he got this done without surrendering one of the Singleton/Cosart/Colvin trio.
Halladay, Oswalt, Hamels (greater than or equal to sign) CC, Andy and AJ
Chase Utley is so good that on one pitch he stole second, third and the shortstop's hat.
Really the Equation here is:
Halladay + Oswalt + Hamels > Sabathia + Pettite – Burnett
is Oswalt starting Friday in Washington? Happ was scheduled to and Oswalt was going to start on Friday for Houston
Awesome. Got my tickets last week only to think I had to see Happ or Kendrick.
by WanderingMoses on Jul 29, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
What is so great about this is that not only does this team get a sure fire Ace, but this new Ace will probably slot in behind Halladay and Hamels, meaning Oswalt will be facing other team’s 3rd best starter(usually)…Awesome.
The package we gave up was ok, Happ will never be better than a 3rd starter at best. Villar and Gose are decent prospects but not anything to cry about.
This rotation is insanely good. If they make it to the playoffs, have fun facing our three headed monster.
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You know, cause he was a rookie last year I didn’t realize how old happ was :)
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 29, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Did they?
Because I kept reading it was McClane and Montgomery working this out.
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This doesn’t really make sense, unless those guys were directly involved because of the money. I don’t know about McClane (McLane?) but I don’t think Montgomery has enough of a day-to-day involvement with operations to make trade negotiations himself.
I’m just telling you what was reporting. Because it involved so much money it does not surprise me that either owner was involved.
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Can't help but laugh
Looks like “Trader” Ed Wade gets fleeced again … while Happ was good, he’s been on the DL most of the year. The two prospects we gave up are nowhere near top-of-the-line.
Houston fans are discovering what Phils fans have always known … Ed Wade may be a genius with money, but he knows nothing about baseball. If it weren’t for Mike Arbuckle, we’d be in deep doo-doo with just Wade in charge.
I don’t think he got fleeced. Did he have a better offer on the table? Was he likely to get one in the offseason? Would two compensation picks have been better than what he got? If you can’t say yes to those questions, then it isn’t a fleecing. Oswalt’s absolute value as a player is irrelevant here. They weren’t going to win with him, and he was leaving in a year and a half anyway.
The same analysis applies to the Schilling and Rolen trades, by the way, if not the same result. Those trades have been unduly criticized in Philadelphia, mainly by stupid people. There are intelligent criticisms that can be made too, but that isn’t the majority of what you hear.
Even in those 2 trades Wade got Polanco (who while not Scott Rolen has been a very good player, and frankly better than Rolen for many of those seasons, as Rolen suffered from injuries) and Figueroa, Padilla and Travis Lee (none were stars, but all were serviceable players (though that may be stretching it some).
Guys. I'm calling it. SMUG ALERT!
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
someone needs to update the Smug Scale with a special listing at the top just as “Oswalt Trade Heist”
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Astros fans feel they were robbed at gunpoint
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by sowhatifitisasportste on Jul 29, 2010 3:40 PM EDT reply actions
That’s a tough break
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by sowhatifitisasportste on Jul 29, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah… I saw you over on crawfishboxes telling them what great prospects they got. Snarklicious. They are pissed. “Fire Ed Wade,” “Sell the Team”, and Astr-hosed. And the deal does look bad. As one commenter noted, they traded the face of their franchise and gave up 11million for a #4 starter and two guys with upside. Fail.
by Boundforbeach on Jul 29, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Hmm. I’d probably feel that way if I were them—hell, I did feel that way when Wade dealt Schilling and Rolen. But this in some ways is a better package than what he got back for those guys. Happ, if healthy, is a decent mid-rotation starter who’s cost controlled. The other two guys are exactly the sort of players Houston should be looking to add… though Wade almost certainly will be gone before they get to the majors.
The old Wade probably would have made the deal for Kendrick, Mayberry and Durbin, so from that starting point what he actually got looks pretty good…
Yeah, well…Oswalt sort of did screw them over by asking to be traded to a contender. That sort of limits the GM from the get-go, and doesn’t allow him much leverage. He wanted StL above all other teams, but when they didn’t come through, it only really left the Phils.
Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est.
FWIW…Wikipedia has been updated…so it’s officially official.
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But what if Happ somehow fails his physical?
I mean he was just injured. Time to pray.
Baseba’ll please hear my prairs don’t let Happ twist an ankle walking into the doctor’s office
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by sowhatifitisasportste on Jul 29, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
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“Phills have the top 3 roation in baseball”
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by sowhatifitisasportste on Jul 29, 2010 3:41 PM EDT reply actions
Just imagine if we had kept Lee...
(Joking)
by philsfreak6 on Jul 29, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
There would be no Wyatt, There may not even be a Doc had we kept Lee
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by sowhatifitisasportste on Jul 29, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s a good point we would have no Doc.
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by sowhatifitisasportste on Jul 29, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Add Blanton who could be a #3 in ANY lineup (He’s had a rough year however is just now recovering from an injury) and Kendrick aka Dr Jeckle and Mr Hyde if he figures it out watch out.
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by sowhatifitisasportste on Jul 29, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
So now the real question
RRL
or
RLR
???
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by sowhatifitisasportste on Jul 29, 2010 3:43 PM EDT reply actions
"The real question"?
This is like, the #485 most important question at this point.
Is this a concern when we’re talking about ace starters?
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Just curious...
Does this make trading away Cliff Lee ok?
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I know nothing of what you speak…
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It does make RAJ look a little better. This deal was closer to the one he made to get Lee as opposed to get rid of him.
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WOO! Awesome trade!
All your Roy’s belong to us!
Fail. No Roy Hobbs yet. Just Roy, Roy, a few RoYs, and one Eddie Waitkus.
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by RememberthePhitans on Jul 29, 2010 7:17 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The Astros are the equivalent of another Phillies farm team!
Thanks Mr. Wade.
Chase Utley is so good that on one pitch he stole second, third and the shortstop's hat.
ESPN says that Oswalt said he spoke to Brad Lidge over the phone last night, that “I trust his opinion,” that clubhouse is great, good chance 2 win
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Well at least Lidge did something for us.
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I wondering if Lidge missed the first 2 calls before picking up the phone for the save.
by Screen Name 20 on Jul 29, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
that was funny
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by sowhatifitisasportste on Jul 29, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Phillies were the only legit buyer of Oswalt. Houston wanted something for him, so they pretty much had to take what they could (at least that’s how I understand it). Roy #2 was a malcontent in Houston nowadays, sick of always losing. Since the Phils have begun winning recently I guess he changed his mind and thought this is a better chance than staying in Houston.
I still don’t agree with the Lee trade prior to the season. This trade for Oswalt signifies that RAJ knows he made a mistake there and probably should have just kept him. Had we kept Lee we wouldn’t be needing this trade, but had we made it anyway, well, that’s just inconceivable.
I hope it works out. Oswalt wasn’t too fond of the idea of coming to Philly at first, so hopefully his game doesn’t suffer and/or the locker room chemistry get affected negatively.
In all of this, I think the most important question is, do two Roys make a right?
To be fair (and to repeat the counter-argument for the zillionth time), Lee was a 2010-only proposition. The Phils will have Oswalt, at a bargain price, through at least 2011.
OK Well JA Happ easily covers the 11M. He’ll make like 1m until 2014. Now thats a bargain price. I’m still not seeing whats great about this move for the Phils.
Oswalt is a hell of a lot better than Happ. $16 million is a lot of money to me or presumably you, but that is in fact a bargain for an ace. And we’re getting cash from the Astros besides.
Oswalt is also 5 years older than Happ and makes 32 times as much. Happ already proved he can play from his ‘08 season and he makes virtually no money until 2014. Haha if 16M is a bargain for Oswalt then what is he worth 30million? 40 million? Gimme a break, 16M gets you a pitcher of Oswalt’s caliber on the open market and therefore you break even on him. The 11m gets you some value and he’s outperforming his salary for this year by a little and if that holds up maybe the Phils are getting 15m of actual value out of the trade which in my opinion is canceled out by Happ at such a basement bottom salary. Then you throw in the mutual option bullcrap which is probably costing the Phils more plus the 2 prospects I say its a slight lose for the Phils or best case scenario a break even.
An Ace of Oswalt’s stature is probably ~$20M per year, with $11 M kicked back, we are getting a $20M pitcher at a 75% discount next year. Happ’s ‘09 was largely luck driven. Nothing against him, he’s a good player (and, yes, cheap), but he’s nowhere near Roy Oswalt’s level, nor will he ever be, in all likelihood.
You may also be overvaluing Gose and Villar some.
Oswalt will cost us $10M through the end of next year.
For someone of his quality, that really is a bargain. Happ and his cheapness aside, Oswalt is a monumental upgrade.
Yeah I guess Oswalt is a bargain for 1.5 years. Yes, Happ was playing over his head in ‘09 and no he’s no Oswalt and never will be but its not like he’s a zilch. To look at it as Oswalt > Happ is too one-dimensional. I think Happ has proven he can be a solid 3 or 4 starter on a major league ball club for an absolute fraction of the cost of a 3 or 4 starter on the open market and can be a bargain for the next 4 years. That means more $$$ to spend on other needs in free agency. The move obviously helps their playoff chances this year and I don’t hate it for that reason but I don’t think its as great as people are making it out to be.
I’m as critical of Amaro as anyone, so the following statement should carry some weight: there is no rational argument for not liking this deal for the Phillies.
really? that important? he has played in the NL his whole career, plus have you ever seen halladay swing a bat?
Milt Thompson won’t be around to ruin that.
by reflect4ever on Jul 29, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s really strange to me how whenever the Phillies make a big move, a bunch of new commenters show up here and make some stupid comments and then within a week most of them are gone (I’m not complaining about this part though).
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I was definitely just busting Milt’s balls, but really, does this team ever bunt? When is the last time you’ve seen a Phillies pitcher lay down a good bunt?
by reflect4ever on Jul 30, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
I’ll blow this comment off. Perhaps as someone considering regularly posting here I’m trying too hard to get into the conversation.
by reflect4ever on Jul 30, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, he's no Dan Haren, but he's got one career HR, and seven 2Bs.
Plus, who gives a shit. He’s not exactly been hired for his batting skillz.
Chill folks. I realize that’s not anywhere near the most important part of his talents.
We just got spoiled watching Cliff swing a bat, and the ability of your pitchers to hit is kind of a nice bragging point or additional entertainment. I just wanted to point this out to those who might’ve been curious, because I was.
This makes our playoff run extremely likely
and we will have the best “playoff” starting pitching in the league. Which means we could be WS favorites?
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Roy Oswalt: “I’m glad it worked out for both of us. I wanted to go to a contender, and Houston gets some good prospects in return who will hopefully allow them to build a winning team,” Oswalt told ESPN.com’s Amy K. Nelson.
“The hardest part about it is cleaning out my locker. I’ve been in the same place for 10 years and having to say goodbye and clean out the locker is the toughest part,” he said.
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That’s rough. As a former US Marine I know what it’s like to Leave a group of guys that you lived and died with.
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by sowhatifitisasportste on Jul 29, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah but as a Marine that’s literal. As a baseball player it’s not.
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Amy K. Nelson from ESPN reports:
Roy’s insistence on going to St. Louis was “furthest thing from the truth.” had “to sit back and bite your tongue”
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MLB
The Astros will flip newly-acquired prospect Anthony Gose to the Blue Jays, reports ESPN’s Jayson Stark. The speedy, defensively-talented center fielder went to Houston as part of the Roy Oswalt deal
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by sowhatifitisasportste on Jul 29, 2010 4:06 PM EDT reply actions
D’Arnaud, I’m guessing.
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by RememberthePhitans on Jul 29, 2010 7:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Now that this deal is done, McLane has to go buy a stained glass outhouse, and then the world’s fattest racehorse.
by ThinMountainAir on Jul 29, 2010 4:07 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Oswalt’s agent says that Philly was one of Roy’s top 3 choices
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The Philleis
The Angels
The REd Sox
The Yankees
four off the top of my head with the where withal to get him
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 29, 2010 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
ESPN reports that Padres, Dodgers, St. Louis and Texas went after Oswalt too
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What you said was could even possibly get him. We won’t know who was and wasn’t interested for sure but I’m sure the 4 teams i mentioned had money and prospects enough to get oswalt, that’s all
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 29, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Was that before or after only 3 teams seemed to seriously try and trade for him?
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Lets go Nats
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by sowhatifitisasportste on Jul 29, 2010 4:13 PM EDT reply actions
now its the bottom of the 8th. One more at bat for Atlanta. Keep em crossed.
by Boundforbeach on Jul 29, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Supposedly Matt Stairs also called Oswalt to plug Philly…didn’t know Stairs and Oswalt were buds…Houston is one of the few teams Stairs hasn’t played for.
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Apparently.
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That I get…but I meant, I did not realize he had a connection to Oswalt.
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Amaro press conference
Evidently he just announced (I’m not watching, just reading another site) that Houston will be trading Gose
RAJ
“He’s flying into DC and he’s going to start tommrow eavning”
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by sowhatifitisasportste on Jul 29, 2010 4:16 PM EDT reply actions
ROFL
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by sowhatifitisasportste on Jul 29, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
If you’re talking about his time after he GMed for the Phillies.
by reflect4ever on Jul 29, 2010 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions
The Yankees Are Probably Hating This
At least until the offseason when they buy Cliff Lee. Then how do we match that? Cause IMO I think Ruben is tryin to match the Yanks punch for punch
by The Fish on Jul 29, 2010 4:18 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
The thing I think I like most about this trade is the energy jolt Roy Oswalt will give the Phillies. They will be even more motivated to win with his energy.
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Actually, I think the 30,000+ Phillies fans that show up in D.C. tomorrow night will be more than enough to convince him that he made a smart decision. He’ll be the one getting the jolt of energy.
I’m hopin for a dominance that Cliff Lee showed when he got here.
by The Fish on Jul 29, 2010 4:25 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Energy?
I’ll take the lowered runs scored by the opposition every fifth day.
by David S. Cohen on Jul 29, 2010 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, but how do tangibles measure up to character?
And what about heart? Drive? Spirit?
Is it enough energy to power a small city? or Haiti
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 29, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
4-3 Nats
Bottem 8 LETS GO NATIONALS
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by sowhatifitisasportste on Jul 29, 2010 4:24 PM EDT reply actions
Imagine it’s game 162, the Phillies have already won and are 1/2 game up on the Braves, who are playing the Mets.
Let's go Braves.
Or, better yet, how about a tie?
many, many extras. with many, many key injuries.
by Wet Luzinski on Jul 29, 2010 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn't say he should be taken off the active roster.
I just said he should be crushed by heavy stones.
97.5 says that Roy Oswalt has had the most wins since 2001, SO, and 2nd most innings pitched.
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Well one of three of them matters I guess
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 29, 2010 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions
5-3 Nats
Solo shot by Dunn
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by sowhatifitisasportste on Jul 29, 2010 4:29 PM EDT reply actions
This article talks more about Cliff Lee than Roy Oswalt. It’s as if the whole Lee situation wasn’t a complicated, complex issue, and the Phillies just traded him because they didn’t like his taste in music. I am really sick of hearing about it actually.
That makes no sense, therefore I choose to pretend that article was never written.
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It really wasn’t a complicated complex issue. Ruben wants us to believe it was, but it wasn’t.
by David S. Cohen on Jul 29, 2010 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions
You need to take off your blinders man. It was a bad trade but it most certainly was a complicated situation.
Amaro had to balance the immediate and long-term needs of the club. Here are a few possibilities facing the Phillies:
Scenario 1: keep Lee and extend him, and don’t trade for Halladay. This leaves the farm intact (relative to what it was after the trade for Lee) and shores up the rotation for years to come, but would cost a lot of salary and a lot of years.
Scenario 2: trade for Halladay, keep Lee and dump Blanton to free salary, then let Lee walk for two draft picks after 2010 (assuming Lee would have been offered arbitration, and that he would have accepted). This certainly would have made the Phillies better in 2010, and wouldn’t have been a total long-term loss due to the two draft picks.
Scenario 3 is what the Phillies ended up doing, trading for Halladay and signing him to a very favorable extension, trading Lee away for prospects, and extending Blanton. Leaving aside the way the actual haul for Lee has performed thus far, the long-term advantage here is that A) you get three prospects instead of two, and B) the prospects are more advanced and theoretically able to help the big club sooner.
There are any number of other possibilities as well, of course.
This strikes me as a complicated situation.
Tonight’s lineup vs. AZ: Polanco 2B, Ibanez LF, Francisco RF, Howard 1B, Werth CF, Ransom 3B, Ruiz C, Valdez SS, Kendrick P.
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Hahaha, did you hear about the Cleveland fan with a Lebron Heat jersey getting booed at the Indians game?
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It’s worse for him to sit. They need him to be getting at-bat’s, not riding the bench. If they are going to sit him all the time against lefties, there is no point in calling him up.
by FearTheTurtIe on Jul 29, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I think I agree with this. Regular ABs are important for his development. I’d have sat Raul.
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Sit Raul play Brown
That’s not the kind of Managing Charlie Manuel does
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 29, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s a tough call, Raul is en fuego right now. One could argue he needs the ABs as well.
by PhilsForever on Jul 29, 2010 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Ibanez has good career stats against Saunders, for what it’s worth.
He’s also the hottest hitter on the team right now.
Guess waiting around for the streak to start has paid off, let’s hope this lasts as long as last year’s.
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by Jose and the Contrarians on Jul 29, 2010 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Almost feel guilty don’t ya, like we did something wrong
by Sept.28.Oct.27.Dec.28.2008 on Jul 29, 2010 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
like fishing with Dynamite?
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by sowhatifitisasportste on Jul 29, 2010 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Over at TC they claim to be calling out Oswalt
“I want my 2012 opition picked up”
“I want to go to a contender” Saying Phills will never catch them.
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by sowhatifitisasportste on Jul 29, 2010 4:41 PM EDT reply actions
Good thing they just lost to the Nats…AGAIN!
by phanatic's phloozies on Jul 29, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Gose to the Jays for Brett Wallace
Whom the Jays had acquired from the A’s for Michael Taylor, whom the Jays had acquired from….
Good day to be a Phills fan
Phills get Oswalt
Braves Loose
Marlins leading 3-0 over Giants top 6
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by sowhatifitisasportste on Jul 29, 2010 5:04 PM EDT reply actions
I hate Woody Paige. He doesn’t really like the Oswalt move, he thinks they didn’t need to focus on starting pitching, thinks they still suck at hitting, and still likes the Braves. It’s always between him and Skip Bayless for my least favorite.
Anyone on Around the Horn pretty much sucks
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 29, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Paige is more of a harmless moron. Bayless, on the other hand, is probably the worst sports personality who’s ever existed.
A more certain truth has never been stated. Bayless incompetence is boundless.
by reflect4ever on Jul 30, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
The best thing Ed Wade can do for your organization is GM for another team and give you Lidge ’08 and Oswalt.
Gose doesn’t get on base enough to be a productive starter. Gose isn’t Bourn 2.0 so much as he’s Jeff Stone 2.0. Jeff Stone may ave been better. Even if he became a .290 hitter, highly unlikely, he wouldn’t fit in a hitters park.
Villar is a good field/no hit prospect, a potential starter, but someone who can be easily replaced.
Happ I’ve always liked and the team never had enough confidence in him but betting that Oswalt’s going to better, especially given Happ’s injuries, is something I can handle.
The main story here is that the farm system isn’t depleted much.
by Grover Cleveland Alexander on Jul 29, 2010 5:12 PM EDT reply actions
My understanding is that Villar was similar to Glavis in the sense that he was mostly glove and little bat (although Glavis was better at defense, and Villar had a more projectable bat and better speed).
by philiafan14364 on Jul 29, 2010 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Everyone can agree
The Phillies just got realy realy scary. Last team you want to see in the playoffs
Hey Dez, it's 2am do you know where your mother is?
by sowhatifitisasportste on Jul 29, 2010 5:16 PM EDT reply actions
I know what you're saying, but the Phils are the only team I want to see in the playoffs.
Maybe the Astros, Mariners, and Orioles, to round out the field.
by Phrozen on Jul 29, 2010 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd
"If chaos drives, let suffering hold the reins!"
by PhillyFan20XX on Jul 29, 2010 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Knock Knock
Braves fan “Who is it”
It’s the Phillies
Braves fan “O SHIT”
Hey Dez, it's 2am do you know where your mother is?
by sowhatifitisasportste on Jul 29, 2010 5:22 PM EDT reply actions
panic during their game thread was palpable
by Sept.28.Oct.27.Dec.28.2008 on Jul 29, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Food for thought, perhaps?
The Braves lost two of three games in the series, dropping to 19-19 against NL East opponents, their worst mark against any division this season.
"If chaos drives, let suffering hold the reins!"
by PhillyFan20XX on Jul 29, 2010 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, but we’re in the same boat…and with a losing record against the East.
by reflect4ever on Jul 30, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Jorge Cantu traded to the Rangers. Miguel Tejada traded to the Padres.
Looking forward to the Kevin Kolb era.
5-8-10...the day the Purdue Boilermakers basketball team won the 2011 NCAA Championship!!
So going forward our Roytation looks like this:
Halladay
Hamels
Oswalt
Blanton
Kendrick
I can live with that.
Would be nice if they could add a bullpen arm.
Looking forward to the Kevin Kolb era.
5-8-10...the day the Purdue Boilermakers basketball team won the 2011 NCAA Championship!!
by EREX21 on Jul 29, 2010 5:55 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Ring ring
Hello this is Washington Nats
Hey it’s Rubin can I borrown Capps till next year?
Hey Dez, it's 2am do you know where your mother is?
by sowhatifitisasportste on Jul 29, 2010 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Passan Column
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=AlkvjTacbswabdp3BAtixqU5nYcB?slug=jp-oswaltphillies072910
Preaching the Inglewood Jack
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 29, 2010 5:58 PM EDT reply actions
that’s a lot better than tim brown’s article
by FearTheTurtIe on Jul 29, 2010 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions
It still frosts me how everyone has written off Aumont, Gillies, and Ramirez.
http://www.thegoodphight.com
I concur. It’s as if all of them are no longer playing baseball or something.
by FearTheTurtIe on Jul 29, 2010 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions
it’s the stigma for being “those guys” traded away for one of the best pitchers in baseball
Preaching the Inglewood Jack
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 29, 2010 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Well its not as if any of them are world beaters right now
by philiafan14364 on Jul 29, 2010 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I am rooting hard for those guys, and will enjoy some serious schadenfreude if they become good major leaguers.
If they were still in the Mariners system and struggling in the same way, nobody would bat an eyelash. Legit prospects have struggles like that all the damn time, and nobody writes them off.
The only reason why some are doing it to those three guys is that they are people who are otherwise completely ignorant about player development.
Not me. Ever since he racked up 13 K’s I’ve been working on some nicknames for Aumont: Eiffel Tower. Le Guillotine (actually it La, I suppose for Lady Liberty but Le works better), Big Nappy, La Girafe. Yeah, yeah he’s French Canadian. What can you do with fucking Canada that isn’t related hockey or curling – Skates With Two Left Feet? because chances are you play baseball in Canada if your either poor or you just flat out suck at hockey.
yeah orphanage right ? Which means your not playing organized hockey.
I was thinking the Le Guillotine Chop to mock the Tomahawk Chop – I hate that thing for more reasons that just Braves hatin’
I was also thinking “The Moose” as a big lumbering Canadian animal, but the French translation is “Le Orignal” which sounds kind of weird.
Yeah, that’s not bad.
If we go with “The Moose,” we could sell t-shirts with a picture of this road sign, which they have in Sweden. Link.
We have them in Alaska as well...
http://www.dot.state.ak.us/stwddes/dcstraffic/assets/pdf/asds/warning/w11_103.pdf...
Our moose looks better than Sweden’s, I have to say.
Drat. Maybe go back to L’Orignal then?
Here are some other French options, by the way. “Le Buffle” might work.
http://www.languageguide.org/im/animals/fr/
Very very VERY poor and difficult upbringing (i.e., quasi-homeless for a time). Another reason to give him lots of slack.
http://www.thegoodphight.com
I like Napoleon for Aumont.
Guillotine (without the la—awkard) works as well.
I agree...
It is far too early to judge that trade based on the prospects the Phillies got from Seattle. They are not proven to be busts at this point. I disagree with everyone saying the Phillies got peanuts. That has not been proven.
by PhilsForever on Jul 29, 2010 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions
The posters here are definitely more knowledgable about the farm teams than the average fan. The average fan has no idea the time it will take to groom these guys for the big league club. Especially Aumont who is essentially being rebuilt.
by reflect4ever on Jul 30, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Isn't this...
…on the night Oswalt makes his Phillies debut?
Miss Iowa to throw out first pitch at Nats game
"If chaos drives, let suffering hold the reins!"
Moyer doesn’t need surgery, for those keeping count. Hopes to return for next year
Preaching the Inglewood Jack
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 29, 2010 6:09 PM EDT reply actions
The good news just keeps on coming…
"If chaos drives, let suffering hold the reins!"
by PhillyFan20XX on Jul 29, 2010 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I couldn’t think of a man who would do as good a job as Moyer
Hey Dez, it's 2am do you know where your mother is?
by sowhatifitisasportste on Jul 29, 2010 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Kyle Kendrick Is a just a baby.
I think the thought that he’s going to get beter as he gets more starts. You look at his good starts vs his bad starts it seems as he only needs to read the Jamie Moyer pitching guide 101.
Hey Dez, it's 2am do you know where your mother is?
by sowhatifitisasportste on Jul 29, 2010 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions
So, should we now sign Jonathan "Roy" Broxton as our closer?
Roy Corcoran?
Royce “Roy” Ring?
Interestingly, it appears that all the active players with Roy as a legitimate part of their names are pitchers.
I will be staying in to watch Oswalt’s game tomorrow night
Really anticipating this
Preaching the Inglewood Jack
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 29, 2010 6:22 PM EDT reply actions
tape it
Preaching the Inglewood Jack
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 29, 2010 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions
ur situation stifles me
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 29, 2010 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions
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