Some Phillies Links for You, July 30, 2010: Hey Look It's Roy Oswalt, Blue J.A., Moyer Defiant
by WholeCamels on Jul 30, 2010 7:52 AM EDT
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Roy vey! Trade stings Mets - NYPOST.com
The worst thing about the Roy Oswalt deal is all the horrendous puns it enabled in the press.
Hello Roy, Goodbye Happ - Philled In
I wasn't really sad for J.A. Happ until I read these quotes...
Mets Already Have Roy Oswalt
Wherein R.A. Dickey = Roy Oswalt. And BIG PELF = Roy Halladay, Jason Bay = Jayson Werth, etc.
How Phils stole yet another ace - NYPOST.com
Executives from multiple teams complained they had no idea the Astros were willing to include $11 million of the $23.5 million owed Oswalt through next year and his 2012 option as they did to move him to the Phillies.
HA.
Moyer encouraged that he can pitch again
Whether Jamie Moyer comes back in 2011 or not, I'm pretty sure this is his last go-around with the Phillies.
Jays snag prized prospect Gose - Winnipeg Free Press
This whole affair going back to the Halladay/Lee swaps in December makes one wonder what exactly is "wrong" with Brett Wallace, since he's now on his fourth organization in one year.
25 things to ponder about Roy Oswalt
25. Was born one day before Cliff Lee in 1977. Oswalt's birthday is Aug. 29; Lee's is Aug. 30.
But Lee's birth was more beautiful and flawless!
Phils fans welcome new names for stretch run
BONUS: Not a mention of Clifton Phifer...
Paul Hagen: Phils should have just kept Cliff Lee
It also increases the odds that, in the not-too-distant future, they will have a roster choked with costly older players on the downside of their careers and no reinforcements down on the farm to replace them. It's difficult to figure out exactly what the Phillies believe in right now. They had already taken out a second mortgage on their future. It's like they've added a third and a fourth.
Do these people who get paid to write about baseball even understand how the game works? If this team was going to be relying on J.A. Happ and Anthony Gose to anchor its roster in 2014 or so, then it was doomed anyway.
Get a Pitching Lesson From Cole Hamels Himself | NBC Philadelphia
I heard Wet Luzinski is taking one of his kids but is going to butt in line in front of him for instruction.
Rookie Profile: Domonic Brown - Minor League Ball
A look at Philadelphia Phillies rookie outfielder Domonic Brown.
Baseball Prospectus | Ahead in the Count: The Poor Return on Dan Haren
More good work from our old friend Matt Swartz over at Baseball Prospectus. Sorry, subscription req'd.
Mets 4, Cardinals 0: Dickey, Davis Crush Cardinals - Amazin' Avenue
SUPERACE R.A. Dickey!
Washington Nationals Beat Atlanta Braves, 5-3, Take Two Of Three From NL East Leaders. - Federal Baseball
Thanks, Nationals, we owe you a beer or something.
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Without really getting too far into the debate or trying to rehash the past, as an overall picture I’m really not too disappointed with the Lee trade, Oswalt acquisition. Does getting Oswalt make it look like His Smugness realizes keeping Lee could have been a good idea? Sure. But, assuming what we gave up for Oswalt versus what we got for Lee is a wash (personnel wise), we are +$11M, and have Oswalt for at least the rest of this year, next year, and then possibly 2012, where Lee would have been gone after this year. Yes, Lee is a better pitcher than Roy Deux, but we can’t change the past, and I’m pretty happy with what we ended up with.
"I tried to run him over but Eli had his big boy pads on and he kind of stopped me from getting in the end zone. The next time I’ll try to jump over his head.’’ - Asante Samuel
Yeah, but...
The Phillies coulda had Halladay, Lee, AND Oswalt! And Godzilla coulda played 1B! And Babe Ruth in RF!!!!
That dang Amaro!
Remember the Phitans
by RememberthePhitans on Jul 30, 2010 8:24 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m far from the biggest Amaro fan around these parts, but credit where it’s due with this Oswalt deal. As I said before, there’s really no logical argument for not loving this deal from a Phillies perspective.
That said, that Phuture Phillies piece that Michael Levin linked to talks about the need to analyze each deal in a vacuum, and that’s something with which I completely agree. If you didn’t like Cliff Lee deal #2 (like me), then it’s hard to accept the argument that Amaro “made up for it” with Cliff Lee deal #1 and this Oswalt deal. They were all individual events, after all, and while I know RTP is tongue-in-cheek above, it actually is true that the Phils could right now have Lee and Oswalt. I’m not saying they should have both, but I am saying that I reject the notion that this deal somehow vindicates Amaro for Lee deal #2.
Ultimately though, my point is the final one that that Phuture Phillies opus made: the Cliff Lee deal is done, and there’s really no use rehashing it at this point. Let’s instead focus on what happened yesterday, and acknowledge that Amaro did one hell of a job with this Oswalt trade. Kudos, Ruben.
by PhillyFriar on Jul 30, 2010 10:04 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think there’s a middle ground here. The Halladay and Lee trades really were independent events since they were simultaneous. But since the Oswalt trade happened after the Lee trade, it was influenced by what had happened in the past and therefore wasn’t completely independent of it. Plus as a sheer factual matter, it is unlikely that the Phillies would have tried to acquire Oswalt if they still had Lee. It would have been theoretically possible of course, but that doesn’t make the two trades independent events.
I think what can be said is if one believes that the Lee trade was terrible (I do not), one does not need to “forgive” Amaro for the Lee trade based on the Oswalt trade unless one believes that Amaro foresaw and/or made a calculated risk that he could “flip” Lee for Oswalt, so to speak.
Mostly agreed. You’re right that it’s certainly unlikely Amaro would be pursuing Oswalt right now were Lee around. But as a purely theoretical matter, Amaro would absolutely have had the bullets to do so; it’s not like the presence of Gillies/Ramirez/Aumont in the organization was the ballast necessary to ensure that Amaro wasn’t gutting the farm with this deal. (That’s saying nothing ill of those three, by the way; it’s more of a recognition of the awesomeness of Singleton/Cosart/Colvin.) This Oswalt deal is a fantastic one independent of any outside circumstances, and that would still have been the case in an alternate universe where Lee deal #2 never happened.
Water under the bridge, anyhow. The one thing I think we can all agree on is that the “This would never have happened if Cliff Lee were still around” meme has a long lifespan in front of it so long as it’s properly deployed.
by PhillyFriar on Jul 30, 2010 11:10 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The Halladay and Lee trades were independent?
No way one happens without the other.
If I understand phatj right
I think he means Amaro would have never traded for Halladay if he hadn’t intended on shipping out Lee at the same time. Which I also believe.
Picked this up from Gonzo. There’s actually a group of people lobbying for the A’s to return to the Philly area. I don’t think it’s tongue-in-cheek, but maybe I need to recalibrate the sarcasm meter.
http://www.walkoffwalk.com/2010/07/the-as-continue-their-long-jou.html
I was honestly surprised that it wasn’t the steaming pile of dogshit that I expected it to be; he actually used some advanced stats to make a few cogent points. But I’m not sure how he jumps from Dickey being a really nice find as a possible #3 starter going forward (something I can agree with) to not being surprised if Dickey outpitches Oswalt over the coming years.
by PhillyFriar on Jul 30, 2010 10:08 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Agreed, though listing six k’s per nine and 8 and a half k’s per nine as nearly equivalent might have been a slight stretch.
but all they did was get their rotation to the same level as the Mets
I’m not sure that wasn’t a slight stretch either.
Heh. That’s a stretch Gumby would be proud of.
by PhillyFriar on Jul 30, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I love the piece about the other execs being upset that the Phillies got $11M from the Astros. It pays to have a dupe who was your former boss on the other end of a trade!
Hagen’s piece, while lousy and wrong, is a tightly argued and logically unimpeachable piece of journalism compared to the steaming pile Bob Ford dropped in the Inquirer this morning. I might attempt a full dissection later today or tomorrow.
by dajafi on Jul 30, 2010 9:22 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
now that you’ve had a day to digest the trade, do you still feel it was good and fair deal for both teams, or are you now adhering to the conventional wisdom of most of the national mediots that maybe we robbed Houston?
by Boundforbeach on Jul 30, 2010 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
I think it was a good trade for us, and that we got the better end of the deal. I don’t think we robbed them blind or anything like that. I also don’t think we “outsmarted” Houston in any meaningful sense. The fact was, Houston’s bargaining position was just extremely weak. We exploited it. Which is exactly what we were supposed to do, but it was more about Ruben being workmanlike than brilliant.
Baseball Prospectus (not Matt) did a piece on the trade, but I don’t have a subcription. The first line reads:
The Phillies get a gift as the Astros relegate themselves to oblivion
by Boundforbeach on Jul 30, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
I guess I agree with the first part, but I don’t really buy the second part, or at least I haven’t been persuaded yet. The Astros are already in oblivion for the time being. Did they have a better deal available to them? If not, then I don’t see how the trade was so bad for them. A player’s on-field value doesn’t necessarily equal his trade value, and his value to a particular team isn’t necessarily directly proportionate to his absolute value as a player in the abstract.
I definitely fall in line with your school of thought. I’m sure I’d be intensely frustrated right now were I an Astros fan, but Wade really was in a terrible bargaining position, with the NTC to deal with, and no real suitors. The haul he got isn’t really all that dissimilar from what Arizona got for Haren (and I think the extra two cost-controlled years Happ has over Saunders probably makes it a slightly better package), and Dipoto was dealing a younger pitcher with a better contract who didn’t have a full NTC.
The one thing I will say is that I would have tried to structure the deal differently of I were in Wade’s place. You obviously need some kind of major league ready piece to show the fans, but I’d have only asked for Mathieson in the hopes that I could wriggle Singleton or Cosart out of Amaro’s grasp. Maybe that was a non-starter for the Phils (I certainly hope so), but that would have been my goal if I were Wade.
by PhillyFriar on Jul 30, 2010 11:23 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Frankly, Wade got back an immediate #3 starter, a replacement for Lance Berkman at First Base in Wallace, who knows what Villar will turn into, but that trade is not terrible. Wallace may turn into another Travis Lee and Happ may turn into another Mark Prior (with the arm injuries, not the talent level), but on the face of the trade, I don’t see the gloom and doom for the Astros that the National media does. I agree with PF, the D-backs got seriously fleeced with more suitors than the Astros did with only one suitor.
I’d love to read that
http://www.thegoodphight.com
by WholeCamels on Jul 30, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Same here. Although as I get older I am learning to take less and less seriously the words of someone whose job it is to stir the pot and find controversy (and sell papers/web hits/ad space). Unfortunately there are legions are readers who treat these columns as reasonable opinions rather than the pot-stirrers they really are.
Yes, Bill Baer-style re-mixes on mainstream media types are like red meat to the base.
by Wet Luzinski on Jul 30, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Brent Wallace must love getting traded for our sloppy seconds prospect outfielders.
by philiafan14364 on Jul 30, 2010 10:39 AM EDT reply actions
Birthdays...
This makes it sound like Lee and Oswalt are the same age. Of course Lee was born in 1978 (turning 32, while Oswalt is turning 33).
The thing that impressed me the most was when 97.5 interviewed Brad yesterday about Oswalt, the first thing Lidge did was talk about Happ. That guy is going to be great, I’m pulling for him.
eff you we winning anyway
A.I. IS BACKKKKKKK
Brad Lidge is a standup guy and I find it hard not to like him, even when he doesn’t pitch very well.
Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est.
Ditto… His bad pitching days frustrate me, but everything I hear about him off the field (along with 2008) make me still like him (even when he has blown the save/ pitched another one of his agita saves.
by dannijd on Jul 30, 2010 11:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
A number of people, including Halladay have weighed in on Happ— Halladay went so far as to text the pitching coach in Houston to tell him that he would like Happ. I don’t know if it is all just “saying the right things” about the pitcher who was traded away in the deal, but it appears that he was well liked and that. Number of people think he could be quite a good pitcher. Time will tell.
by dannijd on Aug 1, 2010 1:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Not sure if I like the Verducci article
Oswalt trade proves that for Phillies, now is all that matters
I think it is possible to try to win now and still keep an eye toward the future; it seems that’s what Rube’s trying to do, even if he stumbles a bit on occasion. I dislike the notion he uses of “feeding the beast.”
Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est.
If now were ‘all’ that mattered they would have held onto lee and still made the oswalt deal, wouldn’t they have?
Oswalt is signed for at least next season and maybe the one after that, thus I find Verducci’s title flawed.
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 30, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreed. And I wish just one article on the trade would not mention Cliff Lee.
Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est.
Wishful thinking. The controversial trade to the Mariners almost guaranteed that his name would come throughout the entire season. The fact that we dealt for another ace just adds to the fire. It’s hard to write an article about the trade without a reference to Lee.
But I’m with you. I’m definitely suffering from Cliff Lee syndrome. I’m sick and tired of hearing his name, and so is RAJ. (I’m also sick of watching him destroy batters in a Ranger uniform)…. Sigh… The only way I see it going away is if we reach the WS again.
by Boundforbeach on Jul 30, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Though, if something can erase a bit of the smug ones smugness it can’t be all bad can it?
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 30, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, I’m incredibly tired of Phillies fans and people mentioning about Cliff Lee. Its over and old now.
eff you we winning anyway
A.I. IS BACKKKKKKK
Well I’m tired of fans who work on the premise that a GM is only as good or bad as his most recent move…
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 30, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, that too. Fans were calling for Amaro’s firing after he traded Cliff Lee. Now after he has acquired Oswalt, those same fans love him now.
eff you we winning anyway
A.I. IS BACKKKKKKK
That’s true of everything. Look at the opinion swing on Werth recently. Hell, look at the opinion swings on McNabb over the last 10 years. Fans are a fickle, bitchy amoeba.
Fans are a fickle, bitchy amoeba.
The ignorant ones, sure
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 30, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m talking about the giant whole, as opposed to individuals or small pockets of rational stat heads or whatever.
Sadly, as a whole, the majority are more of the ignorant WIP short sighted ones, in my experience, the ‘whole’ tends to be dominated by it’s more vocal members, be they majority or minority (just ask the one plank republican party)
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 30, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
In my personal experience the loudest voices aren’t always the right voices, they usually aren’t the calmest most thinking clear voices – on both sides of the aisles (anti abortion foes who advocate killing doctors, environmental activists who burn down buildings or spike trees that could injure/kill loggers)
I like to think of the concept of the ‘best and the brightest’. Those folks don’t tend to be the loudest because they understand the concept of compromise and rational discussion.
If that makes me a Nixonite, meh. I’m an east coast jew who calls himself a centrist
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 30, 2010 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ve already stated my barely there association with irony let alone my awareness of politics that happened before i was aware of the world around me in that way. Most of what I know of Nixon I learned from Futurama – that’s factually based right?
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 30, 2010 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Yup, it was tongue in cheek.
Incidentally, my understanding of politics is severely limited, hence why I generally steer clear of those discussions.
I’m not that politically aware but the ‘overly loud minority’ example usually works best in that arena
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 30, 2010 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I think it is human nature beyond fandom, though— Politicians get judged on what they have recently done, and where the country is at the time, and it shows up at the polls— considering where the economy was immediately prior to the ’08 election, McCain did not have a chance of winning. When we discuss acquaintances, co-workers, and bosses, it is often along the same lines— particularly if what they have just done makes us very happy or sad. Knee jerk reactions are easy. It is harder to take two deep breaths and look at a person in the scheme of history. I do not like some of the deals RAJ has done. I am not particularly hot on the Oswalt deal right now. But, I am not ready to judge it (or RAJ) yet either. That trade will be better judged once time has passed, and RAJ will be better (or at least more honestly judged) once time has mellowed out the emotions a little bit.
by dannijd on Jul 30, 2010 11:28 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Why, pray tell, are you “not particularly hot on the Oswalt deal right now”?
by PhillyFriar on Jul 31, 2010 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions
I do not particularly like Oswalt as a pitcher- his age and injury history (particularly his back) concern me as to his ability to stay healthy. Further, the Phillies just invested a lot of money into another player at a high salary, potentially impairing their ability to bring in bench and bullpen talent, or to sign players that they already have to extensions (I am thinking here particularly of Jayson Werth and Jimmy Rollins, both of whom have contracts that expire during Oswalt’s term here- assuming that his option is picked up). I also do not particularly like the fact that the Phillies dealt Happ (who was cost controlled, and who is at least to an extent an unknown in terms of what his future will turn out to be, and furthermore, who I enjoyed watching pitch, but you asked why I don’t like the deal, and this is part of it). However, as I stated above, I am withholding judgement on this trade until I see what happens— with all of the players involved, but particularly Happ and Oswalt.
P.S.: While the above opinion was posted after both games ended tonight, it is reflective of how I felt prior to the game as well— the fact that Happ had a very good start and Oswalt a bad one did not influence my feelings.
Fact: Oswalt is healthy. He hasn’t pitched fewer than 180 innings since 2003, there’s been no recent dropoff in his stuff, and he checked out fine medically.
Fact: the Astros shipped $11 million along with Oswalt. The Phillies owe him less than $13 million over the next 14 months.
Fact: Roy Oswalt has no effect on Jayson Werth’s future, since Jayson Werth’s was never re-signing here anyway. Additional fact: Oswalt’s contract is up at the same time as Jimmy Rollins’, so he will not be occupying payroll when the Phillies have to make a determination on Rollins’ future.
Fact: Amaro is often at his worst when he is shopping for bullpen and bench pieces with money (see, e.g. Baez, Castro) as opposed to when he shops on a budget (see, e.g. Contreras, Valdez).
Fact: neither Anthony Gose nor Jonathan Villar are top 75 prospects in baseball by anyone’s definition, and they are not in the organizational top 4.
Fact: even those that like J.A. Happ, such as myself, recognize what he is — a solid #4 starter without a ton of upside, whose deal will be team-friendly for the next few years before he starts to get paid in 2013.
There simply isn’t any reason to not like this deal for the Phillies. None whatsoever.
by PhillyFriar on Jul 31, 2010 9:55 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
adding to this...
If your problem is that Oswalt’s salary keeps the team from re-signing Werth (which was in doubt from the beginning, as PhillyFriar says), and that Happ is good to have around because he’s cheap and under control…
Domonic Brown is going to step in for Werth next year, and is far, far, FAR more likely to be a special, impact player than J.A. Happ. The step-down from Oswalt to Happ is MUCH greater than it is from Werth to Brown. It’s just not even close.
http://www.thegoodphight.com
by WholeCamels on Jul 31, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Autograph Bait
I’m using the cute 6- and 4-year-olds tonight in D.C. as autograph bait first, and bringing along my lineman-sized high-school aged nephew to block. So like me.
Anyone else coming? As a tribute Imma be in my old school Carlton jersey, angling for seats in RF…
Oswalt-watching on the screen
Because my girlfriend and I unfortunately aren’t able to make it to DC for Oswalt’s Phillies debut, we’re looking for the next best thing (perhaps): a fun new place to watch the game on TV (in Philadelphia).
We have a few regular places we go, but we’re interested in crashing someplace new on account of celebrating our new awesome pitcher.
So I put this to the readership: where are the fun places you go to watch the Phils? (and why). BONUS points for good food and drink specials. :)
Go Phils!
Poor Happ.
He was a good dude and it seems like he took the trade pretty hard. I will miss him and I sure as hell hope he succeeds in that hellhole Houston.
agree. His body language yesterday at his press conference was all sad.
by Wet Luzinski on Jul 30, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
The Astros will rise again.
I’ve heard some bad things about the city though. But I’ve never been there, so I can’t judge.
I will miss him too. I read the quotes earlier today and felt really bad for him. I wish him well in Houston… And wish that he was still here. It was good to see that he pitched well tonight.
by dannijd on Jul 30, 2010 11:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Astros Fan Here
Just wanted to pop in and say congrats on getting a true competitor in Roy. Putting aside you “winning” the trade, Roy is the type of player us Astros fans will continue to root for regardless of his current team.
You will love watching him pitch. Not just because he is good, but because the attitude & competitiveness he brings to every start. When he is on, he makes good opposing hitters look awful. His 70mph uncle charlie is a thing of beauty and after he’s struck you out, he will grin, knowing you look stupid. He is cocky, works fast and brings his best every 5 days. He is at his best for big games and thrives on pressure. You’ve got yourself a class act, and I hope he helps you get that ring, because he deserves on.
Enjoy J.A. Happ. I’m glad to have Oswalt but you guys are getting a really solid guy in Happ. I’ll definitely be keeping track of him.
I wouldn’t be happy to see my GM acquire Happ, since it would be a pretty strong indication that he doesn’t understand his ballpark.
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 30, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry, i didn’t attribute it right, I didn’t say that, Keith Law did. Something about left field and home runs
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 30, 2010 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, Happ is an extreme flyball pitcher and left field is certainly a good place to hit homers in Minute Maid. But then again, Citizens Bank Park is a pretty nice park for hitting to left field too, and Happ survived his time there fairly well. And he never had a bad home run rate in the minors. I think what will make or break Happ is whether he can get his strikeouts and walks closer to the rates he was posting in the minors. Maybe he doesn’t have the stuff to do that in the majors, I don’t know.
Fuel for the fire if you have it – Buster Olney this morning felt that the cardinals had a better 1-2 combo AND 1-2-3 combo than the phillies starting staff
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 30, 2010 4:00 PM EDT reply actions
1-2 is arguable. 1-2-3 is not, I don’t think.
But totally independent of this, Olney sucks. ESPN.com’s baseball coverage used to be great. It began to go to s**t the day Olney was hired back in the late ’90s or whenever it was.
It still tops their basketball coverage, which is primarily former NBA players who don’t know much and many of whom make up so many words even frazier is impressed.
I’m not sure ESPN has any good coverage of any sport any more, but unless I switch to DirecTV and get their ‘csn regional’ package, i’m stuck with it as the only extra-regional sports coverage
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 30, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
This made me laugh out loud
pete (mass) – Is Vampire Weekend the whitest band imaginable?
Klaw – That wasn’t the -est I had in mind, but sure.
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 30, 2010 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
They got melrose and some goofy looking former player (barnaby?) with a scary ass smile, right?
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 30, 2010 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I think a case could be made that they have a better 1-2 combo or 1-2-3 combo this season but not overall. Their guys have had great stuff this season but I’d take a few years of our starting three over their starting three any day.
I’ll pit Halladay and Oswalt (sorry Cole, I think you’re 3 now) against any of em.
Someone smarter who understands Siera will tell me i’m wrong
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 30, 2010 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
If I had to order them, it’d be…
Halladay
Wainwright
Carpenter
Oswalt
Hamels
Garcia
…with the biggest gap coming between Hamels and Garcia. In other words, top 1-2-3 isn’t really an arguable point (though top 1-2 certainly is).
Actually olney had vast praise for garcia as a great rookie and the reason WHY the 1-2-3 for the cards was better :)
With your system and basic math there’s a ‘tie’ between the cards and phillies for best duo :)
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 30, 2010 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d have to move Oswalt above Carpenter for injury history in terms of risk.. Torn Labrum, Oblique tear, Tommy John, and a brachial plexus nerve injury. Oswalt’s I’m not 100% sure about but he has had hammy problems, a sportsman hernia and and ankle injury. I am amazed Carpenter is still pitching – dude re-defines injury prone and that’s for a pitcher who often injured ordinarily.
Stoopid
Among the 25 things to ponder:
9. Is 4-0 with a 2.60 ERA in his career at Citizens Bank Park. He’s allowed one home run (Ryan Howard, 2005) in 27 2/3 innings pitched at the very hitter-friendly ballpark, where he last pitched in 2008 and where he registered his 100th career win on April 13, 2007.
“Very hitter-friendly ballpark”? Why do they keep repeating this garbage? See here.
As opposed to that cavern in which he pitched in Houston? It’s only slightly behind CBP in terms of park factors.
Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est.
It’s a High School park
I fed a fish to a pelican and Frisco bay and he tried to eat my cell phone he ran away
Man, I don’t need facts, I watch the games
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 30, 2010 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions
But, but, but….at Turner Field, that HR would have stayed inside the park! Wait, at CBP, that flyout would have been a HR!
Whatever park I’m in—well, it’s the damn park’s fault, not my lousy hitters.
Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est.
I never thought so—I always thought he was just trying to prop up his players by giving them an easy out—but maybe he was just being an asshole.
Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est.
Well see, I tend to think of Bobby Cox as an asshole (wife beaters tend to be assholes in my mind), so to me, he was being an asshole cause he always is.
One of the things that bugs me about how baseball is covered these days actually is that every time Cox is run from a game it’s given this positive spin about how he has been ejected from the most games and somehow this makes him a better manager.
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 30, 2010 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, I agree with you that he is as a person, an asshole, although I’m not sure what his purpose was with his comments about CBP. Braves’ fans have tried to convince us that it’s to prop up his players, but it could just be that he has no ability to ever give credit where it’s due.
One of the reasons that I really, really want the Phillies to win the divison, aside from the obvious, is because I want Cox to go out a loser.
Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est.
Whatever happens to the braves this season, Bobby Cox is a loser for the same reasons he is an asshole.
by SportingFanaticism on Jul 30, 2010 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions
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