Well That Sucked - Nationals 8, Phillies 1
by David S. Cohen on Jul 30, 2010 10:57 PM EDT
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Not exactly the same as Cliff Lee's first outing for the Phils. And to add insult to injury . . . this.
New acquisition Roy Oswalt was less than inspiring, pitching six innings and allowing five runs (four earned) on seven hits.
The evening got off to an ominous start when leadoff hitter Nyjer Morgan stroked the first pitch he saw into right field for a triple. He would score on an RBI groundout. The Nationals would tack on another run in the third thanks to some poor defense... Greg Dobbs forgetting to cover third base on a ball bunted two feet in front of the plate, that catcher Carlos Ruiz airmailed into left field.
The Phillies offense was even more dreadful, with its sole run coming on a Jayson Werth solo home run in the top of the seventh. The Phillies only collected five more hits all night.
Roy, get 'em next time. Duds happen. Roy Halladay has bad games. Deep breaths, everyone.
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And for the hat trick, Atlanta just won 6-4 in 10.
by dannijd on Jul 30, 2010 11:03 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Craig Stammen oupitched Roy Oswalt — file it under “That’s why they play the games.” Let’s say we broke even off the Kendrick/Ubaldo and Oswalt/Stammen matchups and get ready for another winning steak, eh?
by PhillyFriar on Jul 30, 2010 11:41 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Winning steak? I’m due for a steak. Haven’t had one in forever.
The birth of Jason Heyward was God’s punishment for the sins of the people in New York and Philly.
by Fat Dingflyer on Jul 31, 2010 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions
A losing steak would be from, perhaps, a horse.
by WanderingMoses on Jul 31, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought that is what you get when the cook fouls up your winning steak!
by dannijd on Jul 31, 2010 1:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Any steak cooked to the term “well.” Medium-well or well done is a losing steak
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by layout ultimate on Jul 31, 2010 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed… Although for me anything with the word medium in it is a loss as well.
by dannijd on Aug 1, 2010 3:10 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Was he as bad as the line? I did not get to see the game. Also, the phillies were due for a stinker at some point. They have won 8 in a row and this team is not as good on the road as previous phillies teams unfortunately. Gotta get these next two. The Nats are not a lay down play dead team this year. They can hit. I did watch some of the Atlanta game…really tight strike zone for cueto and bigger for the atlanta pitchers. Wierd home plate umpiring in that game. Reds had a chance to win it and blew it with 1 out and rolen on third, bummer.
I said it before for
1 Prius with 10,000 miles that’s already been in the shop
2 go-carts
for 1 Roy Oswalt and 11 million dollars
It’s gonna take alot for me to feel bad esp. after a week of fearing that the farm would only be left with some feed corn, 5 crap cover chickens, 2 retarded ducks, and one 3-legged pig named Sir Oinks-Alot.
Zagurski resents the swine joke, sir.
Remember the Phitans
by RememberthePhitans on Jul 30, 2010 11:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The defense behind him was dick. Oswalt wasn’t particularly good but he didn’t get a lot of help, either.
It’s one game.
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Wheels said it (I know, I know): his command was just off. Stammen spotted his fastball well, especially on the inside corner, and Roy was just leaving his two seamers and sliders hanging out over the plate. Get ’em next time.
by PhillyFriar on Jul 31, 2010 9:25 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I thought the ‘this deal was so awesome that I could give a shit about one game because I know Oswalt’s a beast" was kinda apparent in what I wrote.
That was pretty much the sentiment of my father as we were sitting there….
by WanderingMoses on Jul 31, 2010 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah I was just making a general post and arbitrarily “replied” to yours.
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by WholeCamels on Jul 31, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
This is a common source of misunderstanding around these parts. I have been guilty of it myself. Just because someone replies to you doesn’t mean they’re disagreeing.
I was there. The Dobbs misplay on the bunt was even worse in person. My cousin and I were sitting in a spot that directly lined up with the 3rd base line and Dobbs just gave up on it to chat with the 3rd base coach, apparently.
Listless is the word I would use to describe this game, although there were a couple of bright spots.
by WanderingMoses on Jul 30, 2010 11:58 PM EDT reply actions
Dobbs misplaying a bunt doesn’t suprise me but Ruiz throwing the ball to the invisible man…pretty bad.
The all-around play of the entire team was disappointing, though. The ridiculous plays by Dobbs aside, the tone was set for this game by Mighty Mouse on his first swing of the bat. As soon as the ball when straight up off his bat, I had a pretty bad feeling that we were going to be in for a long night. Watching him dog it down to first on his groundballs was irritating. If he’s not healthy enough to be playing, he shouldn’t be playing. Exxon could have delivered the same performance as Rollins last night.
Don't get discouraged
Roy O will give you guys plenty of good starts. I hope that he can help bring you guys back to the WS this year.
Liking Happ? He’s one heck of a guy. He’ll get a bunch of wins for ya
eff you we winning anyway
A.I. IS BACKKKKKKK
I would just like to give TGP mods a heads up
some jackass named AndyinGA is joining all the blogs and being a moron. If you see him, just ban him. He’s a Braves fan and has already been banned by us. I guess he’s spending even more time in his mothers basement and trolling on other sites.
when is Frank Wren going to wake his Ass up and see the Braves needs a Batter? This game Against Washington is Showing the team is not hitting. Get some help are philadelphia is going bnack to First? If you can’t see this maybe john scherhous should replace your stupid ass.
by jayball on Jul 27, 2010 5:41 PM MST
but please, Phillies fans, DO NOT FEED THE TROLL
"Tony Gwynn made sacrifices. Cal Ripken made sacrifices. I'm not sure Derek Jeter made sacrifices given the ungodly deep pockets the Yankees have." - Chipper Jones
by MBL1 on Jul 31, 2010 1:17 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Going back tomorrow to the DC Mallpark and hopefully Cookies is ready to go, since they will be facing another mediocre/barely known entity in Ross Detweiler.
I saw that… I am afraid that we are about to catch unknown pitcher syndrome for the next two games :(
And the best part of all….Detweiler is a lefty. Hooray!
by WanderingMoses on Jul 31, 2010 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh for crying out loud
http://www.thegoodphight.com
by WholeCamels on Jul 31, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
But that one hit will be a J-Roll lead off homer and Cookies will give up zero hits and we win 1-0.
by WanderingMoses on Jul 31, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
What- we made Stammen look like a genius last night— and making unfamiliar Lefties look unbeatable is this team’s specialty.
this
could almost be a uniform response to the excrescence of pixels from this poster. Perhaps there’s a more Goth Phillies site out there s/he could join, enriching us for her/his departure.
was there. Traffic was murder down (DE/MD border) and back (Kenilworth Ave. out to 295 N – yecch). Oswalt had trouble getting the first guy out just about every damn inning.
Park was nice though. Don’t like how the Nats’ Diamond Club prevents the full circumperambulation of the park a la CBP, which just galls the everyman democrat in me. If you’re sitting in RF, like I was, the info/boards you get to see is inadequate – no inning by inning frames, no out of time scores, you get speed of pitch and count, what the batter’s done so far, but that’s about it. Friday fireworks were a nice touch.
Back to 3B for Polanco. Valdez to 2B. And Teddy is a fucking moron who can’t win a goddamned race and should be DFA’d, and pronto. Oh, and to the leather-lunged woman who sat in front of me with the JAYSON IS WERTH RE-SIGNING: despite the HR tonight, um, no, he’s probably not. So there.
Teddy Roosevelt… one of the Rushmore Presidents that compete in a faux sausage mascot race in “Natstown.” It’s really lame and Teddy has never won one of these races despite being given about a 40-yard headstart. There is always some cheesed-up distraction that ends up costing Teddy the race.
Meanwhile, a young Franklin Pierce is burning up the minor league track.
by Wet Luzinski on Jul 31, 2010 8:11 AM EDT up reply actions
I can’t believe the Phillies traded Rutherford B. Hayes for this stiff.
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Right. And look at their track record on prospect development. Remember how they tried to sell us on James Buchanan? It took the country a solid 50 years to recover from that.
by Wet Luzinski on Jul 31, 2010 8:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Nerd alert: I used to volunteer as a tour guide at James Buchanan’s house.
by PhillyFriar on Jul 31, 2010 9:20 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Oh yeah.
The fun part was always the sentence that started: “James Buchanan is widely considered one of the worst presidents of all time, but…”
by PhillyFriar on Jul 31, 2010 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions
I had to live in a dormitory named after him! But then got to live in one named after Ben Franklin so it kind of balanced out.
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by WholeCamels on Jul 31, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes, but that’s part of the gag. The fans, all 15k of them, wonder how Teddy will screw it up this time.
by WanderingMoses on Jul 31, 2010 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions
I guess I am being generous with 15k. Maybe 3k, then.
by WanderingMoses on Jul 31, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Roy 2 got hammered tonight.
I wonder how much of that could be attributed to having been traded yesterday. I also wonder if it might have been a good idea to have given him today off, starting someone else instead, and starting Oswalt tomorrow?
Who would you have started last night— Cupcakes on short rest? Or Durbin/ spot start from AAA? I don’t know that any of the other choices would have went any better (particularly considering the offense did not produce).
by dannijd on Jul 31, 2010 1:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Heckuva lot of 0fer4s in last night’s box score, I see.
Ryan Howard: You are On Notice.
Jimmy Rollins: please
PLEASE CHARLIE…. I BEG YOU… STOP PLAYING DOBBS!!!
His glove alone is proof enough but even when you factor in his bat… there is no reason he should see the field, even against righties:
Valdez vs. Right .258 .281 .394 .675
Dobbs vs Right .203 .271 .347 .619
I really dont think that Charlie even checks this info out, he just sees RHP so he goes LHB. Take the game against Marcum from Toronto. He loads his line up w/ LHBs even though Marcum has a much higher level of success against them…
Dobbs vs. Right are basically the same thing as Dobbs vs. Anyone stats. He only ever plays against righties.
You should look at their splits for the last month. Everyone knows Dobbs was terrible in his first 100 AB or so this year. He started hitting much better about a month ago.
True— when he started playing more regularly following Polanco’s injury he even had a 3 or 4 game hitting streak. He has batted .237 in 56 at bats since. Not great, but not as terrible a his overall numbers look.
by dannijd on Jul 31, 2010 1:41 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Granted...
I don’t inspect those fan graphs too often, but I think this is the only one I’ve seen where Philly basically had no chance of winning the entire game.
"If chaos drives, let suffering hold the reins!"
Oswalt - From An Astros Fan
I kind of expected Roy to struggle in his first outing with you guys. It seems like he needs to build chemistry with his catcher more than most SP’s. Not exactly sure why. He has struggled with new catchers but once they get on the same page he excels.
That’s what got JR Towles sent all the way back to AA, his failure to work well with Roy. (Besides inability to hit)
WHY DID WE TRADE HAPP! HE IS A NUMBER 2 PITCHER WE TRADED HIM FO CRAP! I CAN’T BELIEVE THAT RUBEN WOULD TRADE A PITCHER WHO THREW 6 SHUTOUT INNINGS YESTERDAY! AND HE GAVE UP THE BEST PROSPECTS IN THE SYSTEM TO GET HIM! GOSE IS GONNA BE A STUD AND VILLAR WAS THE BEST DEFENDER IN THE SYSTEM! RUBEN AMARO JR IS A SHIT GM!
WIP’d
by phillyphan9208 on Jul 31, 2010 11:51 AM EDT reply actions
I give you an “A” for effort, but there aren’t enough misspellings (i.e., “REUBEN”). Again, I commend the effort, just needs some polish!
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by WholeCamels on Jul 31, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I agree…he’s way too educated to be part of that kind of thinking. And besides, he doesn’t know how to misspell too many words.
by WanderingMoses on Jul 31, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Me, educated? Not in Florida, had to teach myself with all the bad teachers down here. Hopefully I actually learn things at the University of Florida.
by phillyphan9208 on Jul 31, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Just One Game or a Sign of Trouble on the Road?
While last night’s futility may have just been one of those things- a bad night in the midst of a long season, it also highlights a potential cause for concern for the Phillies. In the month of July, the Phillies are 12-2 at home, and 3-10 away. Their last road series win was in June. In analyzing the Oswalt trade, Jayson Stark pointed out this problem, saying,
“Over their past 30 games away from Citizens Bank Park, the Phillies have hit just .234, averaged only 3.2 runs per game, won just one series (in Yankee Stadium, of all places) and played .300 baseball (9-21). And ohbytheway, they have 31 road games left this year — starting with Oswalt’s Phillies debut Friday in Washington.”
ugh
If you absolutely insist on making mindless negative posts, could you at least confine all the gloom to one entry rather than scattering these seeds of sadness through the comments section?
This has been not a good road team, but a great road team for the last three years. I’m giving them more than a month. And in case you haven’t noticed, they didn’t hit anywhere for a long stretch of this season.
Dannijd is the Grapes of Wrath poster of this discussion board
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 31, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Techincal question. In one of the threads, the Post Game from the last DBACKS game the Reply button is gone . Only “up” and “actions” are showing. What’s up with that? Is it TGP or did I do something stupid.
I closed Comments
I PRAVDA’d the thread because it had basically devolved into all politics. My political views should be pretty obvious by this point but I just don’t like having this thread become a political discussion board. There are plenty of those. Add in the element of ill-informed, invincible stupidity that was present, and it was even more circular and pointless.
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on the plus side, this board has to be one of the higher IQ boards I’ve seen. You can’t buy this commentary on Bleeding Green or BSH, and I’m on BSH, a ton
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 31, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Baseball fans are nerds. It’s simultaneously the source of their greatest strength an their greatest weakness.
(Yeah, the second sentence was paraphrased from the Matrix. Which, of course, just further buttresses the first sentence.)
by PhillyFriar on Jul 31, 2010 2:55 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
dear god
I just read that.
It went from a really interesting and learned discussion of Wilson and the post-Versailles period, with good arguments on both sides, to something excreted by that moron who showed he’s no more historically literate than he is regular-literate.
I wish I could have participated in the first part, and I’m profoundly grateful to have missed the second part.
Question:
If J.A. Happ ends this season with a better ERA and a more wins than Oswalt, and continues this trend into 2011 and beyond, does this make Rube’s decision to trade Cliff Lee even worse than it was before?
I don’t know. Win loss record does not concern me since it us so offense contingent (how many wins have the Phillies pitching staff been robbed of because the offense failed to show up?). I will be more interested in how both fare in terms of statistics that are truly pitching controlled.
That being said, if you use the logic that the Phillies would not have had Halladay if they could not trade Lee, the team would still have been in the hunt for a starting pitcher this time of year (or even would have been out of the race, having lost a few more games while Lee was on the DL in April).
by dannijd on Jul 31, 2010 1:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
This...
…is not a proper deployment of the meme.
by PhillyFriar on Jul 31, 2010 1:42 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Well, good luck tonight to us. I will be getting a Nyjer Morgan bobblehead for the effort. Last night wasn’t as packed as I thought it would be, but tonight I keep hearing is a sellout all the way through….so despite Hanz and Franz’s Bob and Rob’s (Carpenter/Dibble) best effort, no Nats fans will actually be at the game, or rather, all 15 of them will be there.
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