Some Phillies Links for You, July 6, 2010: St. Lee Elsewhere, Downtown Domonic Brown, Rushin' Utley
by WholeCamels on Jul 6, 2010 8:35 AM EDT
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Philadelphia Phillies right fielder Jayson Werth is a beloved man in the City of Brotherly Love. He's hit .351 in the past two World Series for the Phils and has a workmanlike attitude that Phillies fans eat up like it's a cheesesteak from Pat's done the right way (with Cheese Whiz and fried onions, thank you very much).
I love when people who don't know anything about Philadelphia/Philadelphians write like they do.
R-Phils defeat New Britain, 10-3
Some interesting performances by some questionable prospects.
Report: Twins offer top prospects Ramos and Hicks for Cliff Lee - Big League Stew - MLB - Yahoo! Sports
This would be a great outcome for the Phillies; keeps him out of the National League. Guys, he wasn't coming back here. All the fans who were clamoring and looking for rays of hope to that end resembled nothing but jilted ex-boyfriends, hoping she would "see how wrong she was" and try to get them back...
Utley already challenging timetable
I would love this but I want him mostly to focus on getting 100% better for next season.
Rich Hofmann: It's a defining week for Phillies
You can only count on the Phillies' "ability" to surge in late summer and September so much. It's bad strategy to let your team fall way back in the race and count on your opponents to stumble.
Phillies Notebook: Phillies' Happ might wind up in minors after rehab
Even if J.A. Happ's stuff is getting better in his rehab starts, the results aren't there yet.
BlueClaws ride Colby Shreve to victory in Greensboro
Another nice start by Colby Shreve.
Tracy's Grand Slam Lifts IronPigs Past Pawtucket
Oh, and Domonic Brown hit a solo home run too. Turning into an interesting prospect, that Brown kid.
Joey Votto's never heard of Colin Cowherd. Reds win, 8-6. - Red Reporter
The snubbiest man alive connects for two homers, continuing his monstrous season.
Death A One Thousand Paper Cuts; Dodgers, Ely Lose - True Blue LA
Marlins top the Dodgers 6-5. Leo Nunez acts like an ass. Again.
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I wish I'd never heard of Colin Cowherd
Honor is no substitute for victory.
Here here
I wasn't even a year old but I stayed up to be outside the Vet with my Dad and Mom when the Phillies won the World Series 1980.
by Christopher A on Jul 6, 2010 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Cowherd is like an android the ESPN scientists created in a lab. He’s douchier than Kilborn and dumber than Kornheiser!
by taco pal on Jul 6, 2010 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
he’s smarmy, has a bad voice, is generally condescending, and quite often moronic.
Like Eskin, the only way to defeat these people, is to cease talking about them, and not listen to them. Talking about how stupid they are only fuels their ratings, salary, and job security.
I’ve already discussed him too much.
Listening to him this morning taking stat lines from specific games to make an argument against amare stoudemire being good was fascinating.
by jemagee on Jul 6, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us. - C&H
by alcatraz0109 on Jul 6, 2010 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Basically, I would characterize Cowherd’s MO as prostrating himself before the strong. He’s sort of like one of the drones from Mean Girls. The main theme of his commentary is why it is justified – in fact, morally required – to show favoritism and devote all your attention to the Cowboys, Yankees, Brett Favre, etc. The guy is a lickspittle
Cowherd is actually my favorite ESPN radio person (low bar to clear). I don’t always agree with him, but I find his arguments interesting. Yes, he cherry picks stats for his arguments and he favors certain sports/markets, but I go in knowing that so it doesn’t bother me. Frankly I have yet to hear a radio talk guy who isn’t kind of douchy, it comes with the territory (local guy Alan Handleman is pretty good, but he doesn’t talk sports much)
I find LA guys and some san diego guys much less douchey than anyone on espn
by jemagee on Jul 6, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Though San Diego has a guy whose douchiness ranks right up there with Eskin in a different way, if you ever want a laugh check out hacksaw on the double x 1090 – guy is so bad other hosts on the same station mock him constantly.
by jemagee on Jul 6, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I actually think Mike & Mike are not as bad as most. They’re dumbasses, but they’re pretty sincere at least.
To me, Mike & Mike are mostly entertainment, and 20% sports talk. I really like their show, but I don’t consider it a sports talk show the way the Herd is, or Rome is Burning (if only), etc.
Yeah, but their 20% sports talk is still higher quality than Herd or Rome’s 100%.
Honor is no substitute for victory.
I wonder if that happened today if it would get him fired?
by jemagee on Jul 6, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
On a completely other note, what ever happened to roy firestone?
by jemagee on Jul 6, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
This is extremely ironic given the posts below, but here is
Note/caution: includes clips of Roy singing and lists his “recent” appearance at a restaurant in Santa Monica.
Two of the best nights of my life.,,,October 21, 1980 and October 29, 2008.
One of the weirdest...October 1, 1970. I kept part of one of the seats.
I was in college in Boston in 1974 and when Clarke scored the OT goal in game 2 I knew that the Flyers would win the Cup since they would never lose at home.
I like Mike and Mike, mostly for Golic. I think it’s pseudo-sports talk, but find Golic very honest as a representative of what goes through an athletes mind at certain times. Greeneberg is a bit of a dork.
Firestone creeped me out. I didn’t like to see him try and make my sports idols cry.
As much as I miss watching Utley play everyday, I’d much rather him get healthy for next year than rush himself in this season and risk re-injuring himself. Even if he comes back early, we could really be out of it at that point and I’d hate to see him get injured again trying to help a lost cause. And how many games would we realistically be able to make up in that extra week with Utley that we may not have if we still had Polanco and Valdez / Dobbs / Ransom manning second and third?
Agreed— another thought (although not as important in the extremely long run, and depending on how Valdez continues to hit and field)— could Utley returning too early actually COST the team wins? I want him back (healthy AND playing well) as much as any fan… but if he comes back before he is ready, he may not be as good an option as leaving Polanco at second and some combo of Valdez, Dobbs, and Ransom at third. I hope he is right, and that he is back (in a form that will allow him to play well and avoid reinjury) sooner than expected— but not if it increases his risk of repeated/lingering injury or is a detriment to this team.
Maybe Charlie snubbed Votto just to make him go all Hulk on the Mets. Too bad the next team they’re playing is ours.
Jair Jurrjens has some pretty strong lifetime numbers against the current Phillies – except for one. Wilson Valdez is 4 for 4 with a walk against him, for an OPS of 2.000.
Exxon’s gonna light his shit on fire, yo.
Also, why does the national media endlessly fixate on Pat’s & Genos? God, they’re such tourist traps and guido dives, no one with an ounce of respect goes there. They have a propaganda organ like Stalin, I swear.
"I remember being three and I wanted to be a baseball player, that's all I ever really wanted to be. That and Spider Man." -Raul Ibanez
by Jose and the Contrarians on Jul 6, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
God, they’re such tourist traps and guido dives,
Answered your own question (with the tourist trap comment, not the unecessary racist one).
Besides, let the tourists eat the shlock, keeps the good stuff for yourself…
by jemagee on Jul 6, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
No doubt they’re tourist traps. Every town has a version of the same thing. The most famous place to get [deep dish in Chicago] [crab in Baltimore] [chowder in Boston] [etc.] is never the best place.
Quality-wise, though, I think Pat’s and Geno’s are neither great nor terrible. Just in the middle somewhere.
Agreed. And there is something great about a place where one can get a cheesesteak with all of the trimmings at 2 AM.
When you’re drunk, it always seems like a good idea. I can’t tell you how many times I was talked into driving a carload of friends to Pat’s in the wee hours in college as the DD.
"Tortorella’s got it all wrong ... Gaborik shouldn’t be messing with our skilled player." -Peter Luukko
Personally, I think the best cheesesteaks come from the grease trucks. But of the “trap” places, I’m partial to Jim’s. Dalessandro’s up in Roxborough is pretty damn good.
Italian Kitchen of Pennsville makes a great one: and they happen to be Bruce Willis’ favorite as well.
by Clyde Simmons on Jul 6, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
and they happen to be Bruce Willis’ favorite as well
Not something I’d use as a selling point :)
by jemagee on Jul 6, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
John’s Roast Pork down near the Walt Whitman Bridge was the “place locals think is the best” du jour, at least a few years ago. Not sure if that’s still correct.
Original Tony Luke’s is always solid, of course.
Tony Luke’s Pork Italian might be my favorite sandwich in the Universe.
http://www.thegoodphight.com
Has anyone ever been to Nick’s Roast Beef? I haven’t, but this ranking piqued my curiosity. I’ve only had four of the sandwiches on the list. Tony Luke’s roast pork was evidently not reviewed.
I’m with Taco Pal here. John’s Roast Pork is where I take out-of-towners, and get to when I can. My ideal half day: lunch at John’s Roast Pork (I get the poetically indecisive “cheese steak hoagie”), afternoon hitting a coupla bars (Standard Tap usually features somewhere in there) & sightseein, back to the park for a game. Did that itinerary once with my old college roommate, it was bliss.
For zeps, I prefer Lou’s over in Norristown. Assuming the building hasn’t collapsed since the last time I was there, that is.
Honor is no substitute for victory.
Living in North Carolina, you get a new found respect for even the crappy places in Philly to get a cheesesteak. Down here, we have one place Fat Phillys in Fuquay-Varina (about an hour from me) that gets Amoroso rolls and makes a convincing cheesesteak. Otherwise, I can’t get anything close. I’ll be up later this week and my first 2 stops will be Wawa and Giuseppi’s in Richboro, PA (my wife wants to drag me to Joe’s in Nazareth, but I order a philly cheesesteak there and they put pizza sauce on it. That’s a pizza steak, you idiots.)
I think it’s probably closer to the sphincter
by jemagee on Jul 6, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I think fans and media care a whole lot more than players and managers…unless of course they have contractual incentives regarding all star appearances (which should be illegal in my opinion in the MLB CBA if it’s not already)
Making it ‘count’ could be one of the more heinous affronts of all Bud Seligs heinous affronts
by jemagee on Jul 6, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Lee to the Twins
Actually sounds like the best of the realistic options to me— the Twins are an American League team not the Evil Empire— if Lee went there, I would have no problem continuing to root for him there. Since he is not coming back here, I really hope for that outcome.
Agreed.
On the flip side, how much must it suck to be in a new uniform in a new city every six months like Cliff Lee? You get the feeling he’s going to demand a long contract with a no-trade clause come free agency?
by Baseball Nerd on Jul 6, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
The bigger question is are these two top prospects better than Aumont, Gilles and Ramirez.
by Clyde Simmons on Jul 6, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
it seems that both those prospects are being sold low…
by Clyde Simmons on Jul 6, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
In his Metro column today, Cataldi suggests that Amaro (who he accuses of killing the Phillies) call up the mariners and offer to reverse the trade. Chances of it working: Slim to None… and Slim is on the 60 day DL.
If Cataldi says something, strongly consider whether the opposite is true. This almost makes me doubt any criticism I’ve had of Amaro.
Also, 99% of anything written in the Metro is garbage. There’s a reason why it’s free.
Yes. Ramos alone is better than Aumont, Gillies, Ramirez, Marson, Donald, Carrasco and, for now at least, Knapp. That said, Ramos has no position on the Twins roster with Catcher and First Base being locked up for several years.
Most prospect analysts will see it that way, but I’ve never actually been a big fan of Ramos’. He’s probably better than the guys you’ve listed, but I want to see Gillies get 300 healthy at bats at Double-A and Knapp get back to full health again before I’d be ready to declare Ramos the absolute best of the bunch.
That’s why I couched the Knapp comment with “for now”. If Aumont’s stuff plays up in the bullpen, he could also surpass Ramos, but for now Ramos is better than the rest of the players Lee has been swapped for.
Is Aumont definitely back in the bullpen for good? He isn’t starting per se in Clearwater, but he’s sort of being used as a quasi-starter (that is, he’s coming in and pitching three innings per appearance rather than one, or whatever). I feel like they’re just trying to get him his confidence back, rather than changing his role.
I think you’re right, but I agree with Cormican that he’s probably slated for the bullpen long term.
he’s [Aumont’s] probably slated for the bullpen long term
Good. Not that I think it means that he desevres a demotion, or that it is a demotion. I think relievers should be made and conditioned in the minors. First, why overpay for it on the FA market. Second, It’s a different animal than starting all the way down to the physiologly. And why not train someone for high leverage stituations before they get to the bigs. The failed starter Scarlet letter that relievers wear should have been gone a long time ago but I still hear it thrown around alot.
For sake of comparison— what is league average for a starter as far as innings per start— I am actually surprised that his average is that low.
I’m done with SBNation…someone came after me professionally via SBnation…I’d prefer they delete all my posts but they won’t do that, but I’m out.
by jemagee on Jul 6, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
nooooooooooo
Preaching the Inglewood Jack
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 6, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Indeed. While I may have had differences with jem, this is a pretty disgusting thing for someone to do.
It is but
A. No one has ever sent me personal emails attacking me
B. Come after me through my company, which I find despicable
I know exactly who did it, and he doesn’t even do most of his posting on sbnation…but he referenced sbnation so i’ve asked them to delete the account to the best of their ability
by jemagee on Jul 6, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow. That’s low. Well, you’ll be missed (by me at least), even though we clashed on multiple occasions.
I mean I knew some people didn’t like me, but this is just ridiculous that I have to have a coworker come to me and show me comments on something related to my company about me personally. I’ve had some conflicts with people but would never consider something so childish and out of bounds.
Simplest thing is to let sbnation delete the account (though they won’t delete the comments – which i understand) – and move on to something else…ah well…shiznit happens
by jemagee on Jul 6, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry to hear that, jem. Good luck with your revenge plotting. You’ll be missed.
by Baseball Nerd on Jul 6, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
As a newbie, this is extremely sad, but perhaps a cautionary tale for some of you still in college, etc.
I have no idea, nor is it any of my business, what the particular concern was. But note that the internet has very long memories. There is stuff out there that I wrote 10 years ago that is perfectly tame, legal, ethical and G-rated but still has had negative professional implications (I was predicting something in my industry that did not occur). Never post something that you wouldn’t want someone to read in court 10 years from now.
And never. Ever. Link something you write that is not work-related to a work e-mail address. They will find you. That includes this blog.
Two of the best nights of my life.,,,October 21, 1980 and October 29, 2008.
One of the weirdest...October 1, 1970. I kept part of one of the seats.
I was in college in Boston in 1974 and when Clarke scored the OT goal in game 2 I knew that the Flyers would win the Cup since they would never lose at home.
Jayson Werth
Yahoo Sports is reporting that this could be Jayson Werth’s last week in Philly— thoughts?
My thoughts are that Yahoo Sports kind of sucks…but maybe that’s just me.
"Tortorella’s got it all wrong ... Gaborik shouldn’t be messing with our skilled player." -Peter Luukko
by doubleh on Jul 6, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Who’s ready for this lineup card?
Rollins
Victorino
Ibanez
Howard
Dobbs
Francisco
Sardinha
Valdez
Kendrick
’cause if this is true, that is the future.
Or would it look more like this?
Rollins
Victorino
Ibanez
Howard
Brown
Dobbs
Valdez
Sardinha
Kendrick
I’d imagine if they traded Werth now, then they are planning on bringing Brown up. Probably a bad idea.
The Phillies (pre-RAJ, admittedly) have slow played all of their prospect development. Platooning Vic and Werth (understand they weren’t prospects like Brown is), waiting until late August to bring Utley up in age his 24 season, pretty much ditto for Howard. Brown is 22, and while he’s tearing it up in the minors, it would seem out of character for the Phillies to rush him up so soon.
They may do it, but teams have their idiosyncrasies (the Marlins tend to rush prospects and rarely send blue chip prospects through Triple-A prior to calling them up), sometimes teams break their MO, but if history is a reliable gauge, I think Ben’s about to get way more playing time.
yahoo sports has seemed to be apparently on the cutting edge regarding werth talks.
i agree with fuqua – the phils could catch fire also and they may not move him. you don’t know if he’ll be moved regardless
"I want to hand this trophy to the MVP of the Super Bowl -- and the MVP of the entire league, Drew Brees.''
-- Sean Payton
I don’t know if it was mentioned but Drabek pitched a no-hitter the other day . Nice to see him perform well even if he’s no longer one of our ducklings.
I think it came up yesterday, but yes, it is good to see one of our former prospects do well— now if we could just get that kind of performance (or even just something really good) from one of the pharmhands acquired in the Lee trade.
Alright, this Happ nonsense is throwing a monkey wrench in my "Let’s, before he throws a few more stinkers, package KK with a fringy prospect for Wigginton/the right hand bat off the bench we still need despite the injury snfu " idea.
Same here. He’s still recovering from his injury to an extent, I imagine. He’ll work himself back to his typical mediocrity by August.
Although Happ-a-long is different. What gives with that? Other than his current bout of elbow soreness he did reinjure the oblique last season which I think is more worrisome. Ugh I hope that wasn’t the prelude to a Sportsman Hernia. I mean I expected him to regress -
but I hope it’s not -
Me too… I am really hoping that once he finally gets healthy and back up to speed that he will look something like he did last year (granted with a little bit of regression due to his luck based statistics being a little bit too good to be true last year). I am beginning to wonder, however, if he is going to wind up spending the whole season down in AAA.
Get Off My Mound!
The A’s are now selling tee-shirts with the words “Get off my mound!” in memory of his little dispute with A-Rod… What do you think would have happened had A-Rod crossed the mound when Halladay was on it?
It’s a dispute between two players or is this unwritten rule (which I found stupid) something the A’s organization chooses to endorse? Seems odd to me that they would publicly do so and most companies seem pretty cautious when it comes to possible defamation of character which you could argue occured to A-Rod. Not a lawyer but that’s what the article seemed to suggest.
You don’t think the intention of that was to say that A-Rod is an arrogant prick to whom the rules don’t apply because he plays for the Yankees. Seems pretty loud and clear. Certainly the A’s players must feel that way just in their opposition to it. Even Braden said of the shirt and the organization’s unwillingness to pull it:
“I think we all understand where they are coming from, but it’s just a serious, gross, lack of tact,” Braden said Monday. “At the end of the day, I hope I do not become associated with that kind of approach.”
So is this defamation in a legal sense? I don’t know because as I said I’m not a lawyer but, I have enough common sense to know that if I’m already strapped for cash I don’t run the risk of pissing of the those with deep pockets over a marketing ploy.
Thank you national reporter man for the obligatory cheese steak reference. I don’t think people would’ve understood it without yet another tired reference to either Geno’s or Pat’s, depending on which sub-par establishment you arbitrarily choose to frequent.
I’m sure every city gets it. Memphis and Beale Street or Graceland. Raleigh and pork BBQ. Pittsburgh and Primanti Bros., etc. Pretty unimaginative, but not everyone is Hunter S. Thompson.
Really? – All I know is that it smelled and looked like a gianormus truckstop when I drove thru it. I knew it was industrial but didn’t know it was involve with steel – I thought no active mills remained in the USA. Plenty of scrap metal smelting like the arc furnance plant in Coatesville, PA.
Per Sickels, the #1 and #4 prospects in the Twins system. Since Sickels is a huge Twins fan, I’ll take his word, as he knows most prospects very well, but probably has an even more in depth feel for the Twins guys (though that may also cause some rose colored glasses, I suppose).
Hicks is really far from the majors, but has a very good ceiling. Ramos is a good prospect with iffy strike zone judgement, but his defense is very well regarded.. This would be a huge price for Lee, and Jack Z will be regarded as some kind of Jedi with great skills with the Jedi mind trick.
Except that the catching prospect is something they think they won’t need anytime soon (something about a guy by the name of Mauer?) and the other guy, if low down with a decent ceiling may be something they are willing to lose if they believe Lee will get them over the playoff hump (in their case the ALDS).
by dannijd on Jul 7, 2010 1:34 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I did not say it was not a lot— it is, but that the primary prospect is one that (barring catastrophic injury to Joe Mauer) is very much trade bait to them.
PLEASE NOTE THAT I DO NOT WISH CATASTROPHIC INJURY TO JOE MAUER OR ANY OTHER PLAYER— IN FACT WHEN THE TWINS ARE NOT PLAYING THE PHILLIES, I RATHER LIKE MAUER, AND ALL REPORTS ARE THAT HE IS ONE OF THE GOOD GUYS*****
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