Some Phillies Links For You, August 13, 2010: Yes, Call it a Comeback, Tales from the Mets Family Lounge
by WholeCamels on Aug 13, 2010 7:58 AM EDT
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PrintChooch’s Walk-off Heroics as called by Scott Franzke and Danny Martinez - Chicks Dig The Long Ball
These are both infinitely better than the Wheels/TMac call, or the Bob Costas one. And I don't even speak Spanish.
The True Hero Of Last Night's Phillies Comeback ... Hex Boy! - Four For Four - SB Nation Philly
DARK SIDED! GARGOYLES!!
Baseball Prospectus - Prospectus Perspective: Five Alive
Lots of this piece is behind the pay wall, but there's an excellent free bit on Cole Hamels. The conclusion? He's good.
Halladay's even better with new pitch
Rob Neyer chimes in on fantasy zoo companion Roy Halladay's new changeup. Remember how he learned it from Kyle Kendrick?
Phillies Scoop: Howard one step closer to returning
But I saw those photos of him at Dorney Park, he's a MONSTER!!!
Johan Santana and Francisco Rodriguez bringing plenty of legal baggage to New York Mets
I'll just leave this here...
What words set off K-Rod? - Scoop Du Jour - MLB - Yahoo! Sports
Oooh, I know! "Your nickname is really crappy."
Akron rallies in ninth to beat R-Phils 3-2
Lost in this is Austin Hyatt's Double-A debut: 5 IP, 3 H, 1 R, 7 K. Another very good outing from the weirdest prospect ever.
Mets 4, Rockies 0: Johan Santana's Punch-Out(s)!! - Amazin' Avenue
Johan Santana does it again. Then the Rockies watched him play tennis.
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“You can’t talk to my mami that way!” Rodriguez shouted before landing the first of many punches in the Wednesday night mismatch.
- Link (also in yahoo story)
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I've been waiting my whole life for an Eagles Championship
RIP JJ
Makes sense. I would root for the Braves over the Mets to I think.
Looking forward to the Kevin Kolb era.
5-8-10...the day the Purdue Boilermakers basketball team won the 2011 NCAA Championship!!
Honestly, I’d root for either the Nats or the Fish over either of them. Heck, I’d probably root for a Chicxulub-type meteor over either the Mets or the Braves.
Honor is no substitute for victory.
Well yeah given the choice I would root for the Nats or Fish over the Braves or Mets but if I had to pick between the Tomahacks and the Muts, I’d pick the Tomahacks every time.
Looking forward to the Kevin Kolb era.
5-8-10...the day the Purdue Boilermakers basketball team won the 2011 NCAA Championship!!
I still have a grudge against the Marlins for Jeff Conine in 2003.
I also hate their stupid name. Although they’re going to fix that problem in 2012.
Miami Marlins does sound much better.
What rubs you about Conine?
Looking forward to the Kevin Kolb era.
5-8-10...the day the Purdue Boilermakers basketball team won the 2011 NCAA Championship!!
As a non-Miami Floridian, I agree.
Now if only the Panthers can get the same treatment…
Honor is no substitute for victory.
As I understand it, the Panthers’ arena is like an hour away from Miami in some random exurb. What idiot came up with that idea?
Cause it failed miserably in texas and california?
by SportingFanaticism on Aug 13, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Or Ohio, but then again, it snows there.
It’s the NHL – aside from the ‘classic’ places, it’s not doing hot anywhere, because it’s a niche sport few people care about, there aren’t a lot of ‘casual’ fans period.
Half the teams should probably be eliminated
by SportingFanaticism on Aug 13, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Or Colorado. Heck, if half the teams were eliminated based on attendance, 6 of the 16 playoff teams would be gone (New Jersey, Pittsburgh, Phoenix, LA, Nashville, and Colorado).
Honor is no substitute for victory.
Pittsburgh only had low attendance because their arena is so small, though. I believe their new one opens up this season.
And the penguins were also the #1 road draw (according to ESPN percentages at least) this past season
http://espn.go.com/nhl/attendance/_/sort/homePct
I’m surprised to see San Jose so high in home attendance, but they were good right?
by SportingFanaticism on Aug 13, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
San Jose was very good and has a pretty big following down there. The Shark Tank as they call it is packed almost every night.
by philiafan14364 on Aug 13, 2010 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, but the hilarious thing is that the new one is still small by modern standards. If they’d sold out the Consol Energy Center this year, 100% attendance, they’d be #13 in the NHL, 11 seats ahead of the Rangers. Their great new arena is 20th out of the 30 NHL arenas for capacity, ahead of Minnesota, Colorado, New Jersey, Boston, Phoenix, San Jose, Anaheim, Nashville, Edmonton, and the Islanders.
Honor is no substitute for victory.
Colorado’s attendance has been lacking lately(the last 3 years) but before that they had an 11 year sell out streak. I wouldn’t even put them in the same group as those mentioned above.
Looking forward to the Kevin Kolb era.
5-8-10...the day the Purdue Boilermakers basketball team won the 2011 NCAA Championship!!
How do the panthers or lightening do in attendance (or the kings or the ducks) when they’re contending?
by SportingFanaticism on Aug 13, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
The Ducks, who contend the most often out of the group you mentioned does pretty poorly in attendance. The Kings and Panthers attendance is pretty bad all the time. The Panthers have only been to the playoffs three times in their existence. The Kings can manage to get it into the middle of the pack with attendance but it’s usually never good. The Lightning actually do a pretty good job of drawing fans. The two years immediately following when they won the Cup they were ranked 2nd and 3rd in attendance. Which to me is more amazing considering there was a year in between when they won and when hockey started again due to the lockout.
Looking forward to the Kevin Kolb era.
5-8-10...the day the Purdue Boilermakers basketball team won the 2011 NCAA Championship!!
Basically, climate is definitely a factor in whether hockey will do well, but it isn’t the only factor. A warm-weather team can succeed, but it lowers the likelihood.
When you say do well are you talking about attendance or the the success of the team? Because I am wondering what attendance is like for warm weather teams in all the sports? Football seems to be the one sport where fans show up regardless of the weather…except for Jacksonville and Detroit.
Looking forward to the Kevin Kolb era.
5-8-10...the day the Purdue Boilermakers basketball team won the 2011 NCAA Championship!!
I believe LA isn’t so much weather driven but star driven. LA is an event city. A star / personality driven city.
When Gretzky arrived in LA, it made the Kings relevant, nt because of record but because of Gretzky. People used to pay thousands of dollars to get ‘passes’ to the forum. These were tickets that gave you an in to every event at the GWF for an entire year, and they obviously weren’t cheap and there was demand and a waiting list.
A dude like Crosby (or the other dude, on the capitals I think) who is a superstar in the sport would help the attendance in LA a lot more than winning would. It’s a sad fact.
The clippers could win the NBA title with their current roster, the Lakers would still be a harder ticket to get, the lakers have the stars and personalities
by SportingFanaticism on Aug 13, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with this completely.
Looking forward to the Kevin Kolb era.
5-8-10...the day the Purdue Boilermakers basketball team won the 2011 NCAA Championship!!
I have no idea if that extends down to anaheim – who the hell knows what’s going on in orange county – but i believe they’ll have an NBA team in less than 5 years
by SportingFanaticism on Aug 13, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree, I think they will as well, right after Seattle gets a team back.
Looking forward to the Kevin Kolb era.
5-8-10...the day the Purdue Boilermakers basketball team won the 2011 NCAA Championship!!
Well I think Anaheim gets a team before seattle.
The reason seattle lost their team is still the reason that Seattle won’t get a team back. I know there’s a lot of ‘sentimental’ nonsense to put a team back in Seattle, but the city is still unwilling to pay the money to make the upgrades to the stadium that made the sonics leave already.
Anaheim has a modern ready to go stadium for an NBA team and probably could have one tomorrow if Sterling didn’t hate the drive from LA to anaheim
by SportingFanaticism on Aug 13, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
You are right about all of that. I have a friend who works for the Seattle City Council and he has said that there is a growing sentiment towards the city ponying up money to build a new arena in hopes of attracting an NBA and eventually an NHL team. But what the city is willing to pay would be tied to whatever an owner would be willing to spend, the city won’t foot the whole bill.
As for Sterling, he seems to be too in love with his own ego and paling around with the hollywood folk to much to ever leave LA.
Looking forward to the Kevin Kolb era.
5-8-10...the day the Purdue Boilermakers basketball team won the 2011 NCAA Championship!!
Florida has issues because there’s not a connection for a lot of people.
In 1960, there were 5 million people in Florida. In 2000, there were 16 million. From 2000 to 2009, the population grew another 16%, mostly through immigration (both international and from within the States). Basically, in 50 years, the population here has quadrupled. A lot of those people have connections to wherever they came from, and lot of their kids associate more with there than here.
Add in distance, and someone from Tampa or Miami or Jacksonville or Orlando is unlikely to feel much of a geographical connection to any of the other cities. Orlando’s the central city of those 4, closest to the other 3. It’s 228 miles to Miami, 134 to Jacksonville, and 85 to Tampa. To provide a comparison for people familiar with Philadelphia, it’s 213 miles to Hartford, 136 to Washington DC or Cleveland, and 85 to Newark.
That said, I think the next generation (the people currently in grade school) will be more Floridian than my generation or my parents, and root more for Florida teams. The population explosion has slowed down, and the proportion of people born and raised in Florida will gradually increase. Within the next 10 years or so, I’d expect some of the Florida teams to start turning around as far as fan support goes, provided they have competent management.
Honor is no substitute for victory.
I thought that for a long time, but after having to spend dinner on Wednesday night dealing with a waiter who was a Braves fan (thankfully not waiting on my table, but with waaay too much time on his hands to make my day). His smugness and attitude have made me seriously reconsider which I loathe more. (Although I would definitely rather have either the Fish or the Nats before either of them).
Actually this is my favorite quote from the article
Dumb on and off the field, I guess.
Amazin Avenue...
….posts that they’re rooting for the Braves over the Phillies. We’ve moved up the hate chart for the fans of the other NY team.
by EastFallowfield on Aug 13, 2010 8:42 AM EDT reply actions
LA is also
In reading their thread. I can see why. Ultimate show of respect, I say.
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My wife was in CA last month wearing a Phillies shirt. She didn’t make friends.
http://www.thegoodphight.com
by WholeCamels on Aug 13, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
At least they care
Wore my Phillies WS tee to Tampa right after the WS—didn’t get so much as an evil eye. Disappointing.
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Yes, it sucks when people have perspective
by SportingFanaticism on Aug 13, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
If I were a Dodgers fan, I’d hate myself
by SportingFanaticism on Aug 13, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I was looking at the probables for tonight and tomorrow. Tonight is Hamels vs. Dickey. Some outlets are reporting Saturday that it’s Halladay vs. “undecided” while SI reports that it may be be Halladay vs. “Pat Misch.” Andbody got any more on this. And who the hell is Pat Misch?
http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/M/Pat-Misch.shtml
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=435619
I vaguely recall when he was a rookie on the Giants. I think he was just a “Matt Beech” type prospect for them, not a top prospect or anything.
He pitched in relief against us in a game last year and gave up a key hit to a lefty. Can’t remember the exact details.
It’s an interesting twist that the K-Rod incident occurred in the Mets’ family lounge, especially if you’ve read Doug Glanville’s book. Glanville explains there that the sanctity of the family lounge is considered to be an enormously big deal on any major league team.
I wonder what his father-in-law said to him to set him off…
Pessimism of the intellect, optimism of the will.
by FuquaManuel on Aug 13, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
It’s in the link sportsfan00 posted above.
The one-sided fight began when Carlos Peña challenged Rodriguez’s manhood and insulted his mother after the crazed closer began shouting about the latest Mets loss, police sources told the Daily News.
“Stop acting like a baby,” one source quoted Peña as telling the volatile Rodriguez inside a Citi Field lounge designated for players’ families. “Man up, and play better.”
K-Rod’s mother told Peña to keep his mouth shut, prompting a screaming match in Spanish between the pair, the source said.
“You can’t talk to my mami that way!” Rodriguez shouted before landing the first of many punches in the Wednesday night mismatch.
Bob Costas should stick to interviews and Tom Verducci may be the most annoying “color man” I ever listened to in any sports broadcast.
I liked Verducci, it was a lot better than having Joe Morgan, Tim McCarver, or Jim Kaat ramble on about nothing the entire game. It was interesting having a writer as the color guy, but I think that Verducci is one of the MSM writers more willing to think outside the box, so I welcomed it.
by phillies fan in bowie on Aug 13, 2010 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m a bit of a Costas supporter myself. He’s better at interviews, but I think he’s a very competent PBP man as well. He is certainly way better than Chip Caray or Joe Buck, though that isn’t hard. It isn’t really a national TV broadcaster’s job to convey excitement. Vin Scully never did when he did national TV, and he was arguably the best there ever was.
I think Franzke has become a bit overrated just because he compares well to T-Mac and because he’s a cheerleader. Excitement is cool from a local broadcaster, but even there it isn’t one of the top few most important attributes. The thing that bothers me most about Franzke is that he isn’t very descriptive and he doesn’t tell you what the game situation is frequently enough for radio. I think he’s only somewhat above-average overall. I do like his wittiness though.
Excuse my ignorance
but what makes Hyatt such a weird prospect? Late bloomer or something?
thanks!
All I know is that he’s supposed to have a very good change-up, but not what you normally consider to be a fast-enough fastball for a major leaguer although there are conflicting reports about that.
He was a college senior, which is unusual in and of itself. Then apparently he hit the minors last year with a fastball touching 94, which was about 4-5 MPH above all previous reports. There’s a lot of skepticism about him because he has been old for every level in which he pitches, and his stuff is generally fringy all around.
Guys who don’t get raves from scouts really have to prove themselves on every step of the ladder more than toolshed types. He’s really never going to get the benefit of the doubt but he’s looking more and more like he might top out as an MLB bullpen arm which would be a huge success for a player who was otherwise so unheralded.
http://www.thegoodphight.com
by WholeCamels on Aug 13, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey WL!
Check it out – you have a kindred spirit at McCovey Chronicles, except he expresses himself through a different medium.
http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2010/8/12/1620400/post-game-thread-giants-survive#44280449
Perhaps the two of you should find a project to collaborate on.
Anyone else annoyed at T-Mac’s constant ‘How About THAT!!’ call? Mel Allen, he ain’t and this certainly is not This Week In Baseball.
by WanderingMoses on Aug 13, 2010 10:42 AM EDT reply actions
This just proves my overall hypothesis:
Baseball sounds better… in Spanish
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Aug 13, 2010 11:30 AM EDT reply actions
Based on numerous movies i’ve seen, church also sounds better in tents with lots of music and jumping around
by SportingFanaticism on Aug 13, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t know; they can get a little uncomfortable when people start speaking in tongues, depending on what denomination. I’ve been to a lot of churches for some odd reason, considering I’m not really all that religious.
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Man, you just need to see leap of faith more – that movie rocks
by SportingFanaticism on Aug 13, 2010 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
weekend pitching matchups (era/fip/xfip/siera)
Fri: Cole Hamels (3.45/4.09/3.55/3.28) vs. R.A. Dickey (2.65/3.63/3.90/4.08)
Sat: Roy Halladay (2.34/2.71/2.86/2.85) vs. Pat Misch (MLE FIP = 4.26)
Sun: Kyle Kendrick (4.60/5.05/4.74/4.84) vs. BIG PELF (3.95/3.94/4.47/4.58)
braves vs. dodgers matchups
Fri: Tim Hudson (2.24/4.01/4.11/3.90) vs. Hiroki Kuroda (3.65/3.44/3.58/3.55)
Sat: Derek Lowe (4.40/4.23/4.05/4.13) vs. Ted Lilly (3.60/4.48/4.37/?.??)
Sun: Jair Jurrjens (4.16/4.02/4.58/4.48) vs. Vicente Padilla (3.32/4.06/3.89/3.45)
Mon: Tommy Hanson (3.51/3.11/4.01/3.53) vs. Chad Billingsley (3.78/3.41/4.06/3.99)
Another good one:
Someone call Frank and Jamie and tell them that Carlos Ruiz actually owns the Dodgers. Should save them a ton in legal fees.
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by doubleh on Aug 13, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Also
They point out, and I didn’t even think of this—Blanton started the game last night—Cupcakes started the Stairs, Rollins and now Ruiz game.
Funny.
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I’m glad we got this game out of the way in August since we won’t get to do it in the postseason this year.
by taco pal on Aug 13, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
that’s bc the dodgers aren’t gonna make the playoffs
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I've been waiting my whole life for an Eagles Championship
RIP JJ
by sports00fan00 on Aug 13, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, Franzke mentioned that last night.
Can we pitch Blanton against the Dodgers every time? And require them to bring in Broxton?
Brilliant sequence from True Blue
1. yeah, this game was just the final shred of hope withering. the only thing that really bothers me is that it was against the phillies….really, can we never face them again?
2. August 30, 31 and September 1st….GET YOUR TICKETS NOW!
3. Hey we could really fuck up there playoff chances…A realistic goal to achieve!
4. Getting swept by the Braves would help this. Lets get it done boys!
I think the hardest thing is to be a fan of a team that is going through what the Dodgers are going through right now. Yeah the season is a disappointment, but it’s most likely going to get a lot worse in LA until it gets better and it has nothing to do with the talent. I am not a fan of LA fans in general but I feel a little bad that this is happening to them.
Of course at the same time, I’m quite glad it’s happening to them, because this screws Bud over in the bad decision he made when they decided who to give the Dodgers to.
by SportingFanaticism on Aug 13, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
GCL Phillies up 12-0 after 1.
walk, walk, walk, single, single, walk, strikeout, single, single, double, single, walk, single, hit by pitch, double, strikeout, fly out.
They almost batted around twice! Too bad for Chavarin, struck out twice in that inning (and didn’t even record the third out).
by Baseball Nerd on Aug 13, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I though it might be that Lidge was pitching the first for the opposition, but then I didn’t see any "SB"s mixed in, so I guess not.
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