Score!: Phillies 4, Mets 0
by dajafi on Aug 14, 2010 10:02 PM EDT
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Right around 7:35 pm Eastern Daylight Time, a Phillie crossed the plate for the first time in 38 2/3 innings of play at Citi Field this season when Placido Polanco blooped a single into left field, scoring Roy Halladay. Because Halladay was also pitching, that turned out to be all the Phils would need in shutting out the Mets after four games in Queens in which they were blanked by New York.
The only Met hitter Halladay had particular trouble with was Jose Reyes, who followed up his two-double game against the Doc in Philadelphia last Sunday with a series of tough at-bats tonight. He was retired on a fine play by Mike Sweeney in the first; tripled off the wall to lead off the fourth after Halladay had gone nine up, nine down through the first three innings; lined out to Jayson Werth in the sixth, and struck out after a long battle to end the eighth and probably conclude Halladay's night an inning earlier than he or Charlie Manuel would have liked. The extent to which the Phils' ace dominated the rest of the Mets lineup was on full display after Reyes' leadoff triple in the fourth: he got Angel Pagan to ground out softly to third, then struck out David Wright and Carlos Beltran to protect what was then a 1-0 lead. In all, Halladay held the Mets to four hits and no walks, striking out seven over his eight innings of work.
The Phils got three more runs in the fifth and sixth thanks to shoddy defense behind Mets starter Pat Misch, who pitched relatively well in his 2010 debut. With men on first and second and one out in the fifth, Raul Ibanez hit what looked like a double play to second baseman Ruben Tejada, but Tejada struggled to get it out of his glove and then fired past Reyes into left field, allowing Jimmy Rollins to race around third and score the Phillies' second run. An inning later, with the bases loaded and two outs, Rollins hit a hard grounder directly at Wright--who saw the ball bounce off his foot and squirt into left, allowing Werth and Shane Victorino to score.
Halladay left after eight innings and 113 pitches in favor of Ryan Madson, who proceeded to make things way more interesting than one might have hoped. After striking out Pagan to start the inning, he allowed seeing-eye singles to Wright and Beltran, then worked a full count to Ike Davis before striking him out on a nasty changeup. Madson then got ahead of a very overmatched-looking Fernando Martinez 0-2... and hit him in the back to load the bases for Josh Thole. He too fell behind 0-2, worked the count back even, then swung over another changeup to end the inning.
Kyle Kendrick opposes Mike Pelfrey, a/k/a BIG PELF, in the series finale Sunday night.
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Good day to see the Phillies win. Madson closed out the game didn’t allow a run if your counting that’s 12 of his last 13 outings scoreless.
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by sowhatifitisasportste on Aug 14, 2010 10:07 PM EDT reply actions
Are you serious?
Pessimism of the intellect, optimism of the will.
by FuquaManuel on Aug 14, 2010 11:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
well…he got out of the jam, but he gave up one solid single, and hit a guy, and managed to bring the tying run to the plate in a 4 run game. I like strikeouts. I don’t like drama, and that had Ryan Madson 9th inning bed crappage all over it.
I didn’t think the single was particularly solid. The HBP was not good, but it was the only bad pitch he made that inning and his stuff was nasty as the strikeouts indicate.
Pessimism of the intellect, optimism of the will.
by FuquaManuel on Aug 15, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Scoreless Lidge style is still scoreless.
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by sowhatifitisasportste on Aug 15, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Which one was hit hard? I saw two groundballs that made it through the infield. Groundballs are what a pitcher wants to generate. Whether they find holes are out of the pitcher’s control.
Pessimism of the intellect, optimism of the will.
by FuquaManuel on Aug 15, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Neither of the hits were hard and he accidentally nailed the last baserunner. He was throwing some good shit there; I don’t know what game you were watching.
Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est.
He needs to wean himself off that ridiculous cutter and stop trying to do his Mariano impersonation.
by WanderingMoses on Aug 14, 2010 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Braves fall to Dodgers at home by a score of 2-1 Hong-Chih Kuo picked up the save.
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by sowhatifitisasportste on Aug 14, 2010 10:18 PM EDT reply actions
It’s sad that the Fangraph nudged up a little bit at the end. Should have been nice and flat all the way.
by WanderingMoses on Aug 14, 2010 10:23 PM EDT reply actions
Wow…A-Rod has hit 3 homers against KC tonight.
by WanderingMoses on Aug 14, 2010 10:24 PM EDT reply actions
If Greinke was pitching, that’s impressive.
Otherwise? Exxon probably could have hit two of them. Remember, KC is a team that has Bruce Chen in its rotation. Yeah, that Bruce Chen.
Actually, hitting 3 homers in any game, even T-Ball, is impressive.
by WanderingMoses on Aug 15, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Is this a sign that he’s back on the roids?
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by sowhatifitisasportste on Aug 15, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
A-rod has achieved exactly the opposite of what he supposedly was seeking, at least with me.
I don’t care what # HR he is on now, nor will I care when he’s done. I honestly don’t know how many Bonds finished with. I know Aaron is 755, Ruth is 714, Mays is 660. Schmidt is 548. Those are the ones that I deem special. (I realize there’s a few guys between Schmidt at Mays…) Thome is about the only active non-Philly that I hope to see put one out of the park on a regular basis, and maybe Pujols too.
I’m all for records being set and records being broken but, the fact that he admited to cheating all of his HRs should be pulled from the books. I know no amount of anything can make you hit a ball but, the diffrence between a HR and a flyout is 8 feet or less. I don’t know how many balls he would have hit out had he had the extra bat speed that he did due to his use of baned substances but in my eyse since one is tainted they all are.
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by sowhatifitisasportste on Aug 15, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
had he not had the extra bat speed
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by sowhatifitisasportste on Aug 15, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
How many shutouts have Phils pitched as a team in games started by Halladay this year? Either Halladay CG or Halladay plus reliever(s)?
by Pedro45 on Aug 14, 2010 10:29 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Meanwhile, Phillies have been shutout in four Hamels starts, in which he has given up a total of 6 ER in 29+ innings
That’s brutal
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by sowhatifitisasportste on Aug 14, 2010 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Although it’s not like the Phillies have been scoring big when Halladay pitches, either. He’s got 2-1 and 2-0 losses (one run allowed in the latter) and in the other six losses the team has scored a grand total of 17 runs, seven of them after the game was decided.
by phillyinportland on Aug 14, 2010 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions
BRAVES LOSE BRAVES LOSE
5. NO RINK IS AS BEAUTIFUL AS OURS
6. NO COACH IS AS ORANGE-TIED AS OURS
7. NO SPORTS TEAM ON THE FACE OF THIS EARTH HAS MORE HEART THAN THE PHILADELPHIA FLYERS
Tick…. Tock…. Tick…..Tock……Tick….. Tock
That’s the sound of time passing untill Utley and Howard are back in the lineup.
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by sowhatifitisasportste on Aug 15, 2010 10:15 AM EDT reply actions
While I am very ready to get the starting lineup they broke spring training with back, I would be careful with the optimism- Utley is 0-3 with a fielding error today, and Howard may need rehab games before he is available.
by dannijd on Aug 15, 2010 2:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Aye-Aye… any plans on the blog tonight for celebrating Valdez’s final start as a regular in the lineup?
I’m really not trying to pick on you or anything, but saying we should temper our optimism because Utley went 0-3 in a class A rehab game is incredibly stupid.
Pessimism of the intellect, optimism of the will.
What do you mean? If the trend only keeps up, then Utley will never get another hti for the rest of his life! Think of how bad that would be!
OMG He would be the evil offspring of Valdez’s bat and Dobb’s glove
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by sowhatifitisasportste on Aug 15, 2010 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s like a character from a twisted baseball-themed version of Les Miz.
by taco pal on Aug 15, 2010 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Vicente Padilla is having a patented meltdown in Atlanta, it’s 4-0 Braves in the bottom of the 3rd inning.
Wow. And I was about to go turn on the game on TBS to see if the Braves were losing today. Guess not.
by phillyinportland on Aug 15, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I remember witnessing a younger Padilla’s meltdown vs. St. Louis back in ’02, it was Harry/Whitey bobblehead day and Padilla gave up a grand slam to Edgar Renteria after Travis Lee (ugh) pulled his best Bill Buckner impression and allowed a dead double-play ball to go through his legs. Two hits later, granny, we are down 5-0.
But the bobblehead still lives!
by WanderingMoses on Aug 15, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I am not looking forward to watching the game on ESPN. Guess i’ll watch it with the sound off and the radio on. It is nice for the out-of-towners though, I just wish that somehow they could let Wheels and T-Mac due the commentary. Not that they are an all-star team, but it’s better than listening to EPSN commentators talk about random stuff.
Really? I was told that ESPN roots for the Phillies!
http://www.talkingchop.com/2010/8/14/1623662/bats-silent-as-braves-fall-to#44425926
Anyway, more seriously – it’s worth knowing what the national media is saying about your team, even if it’s ridiculous. Also, listening to Joe Morgan can be entertaining if you listen with the right expectations.
Years of being a Flyers fan has conditioned me not to care what the national media thinks. We could have a team as finesse as the Red Army of the 70’s and 80’s and still not escape the Bullies reputation. Although it was nice how the Phillies were the darlings of the league last year. I didn’t know what to do with all nation-wide positivity that was floated our way during the post season.
When’s the last time the Braves lost two in a row? I am probably remembering incorrectly, but it feels like it’s been awhile.
by FearTheTurtIe on Aug 15, 2010 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
They sure don’t want to do us any favors do they?
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by sowhatifitisasportste on Aug 15, 2010 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions
So Kevin Slowey of the Twins had a no hitter through 7, with a pitch count of 106 and he was lifted.
Thoughts?
Looking forward to the Kevin Kolb era.
5-8-10...the day the Purdue Boilermakers basketball team won the 2011 NCAA Championship!!
He’s had elbow tendonitis. I think it was a totally responsible thing to do. What’s the point of risking your career for a no-hitter?
Pessimism of the intellect, optimism of the will.
Coaching FAIL
How often do guys carry no hitters that deep? It’s a once / twice in a pitchers career. I would have been furious.
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by sowhatifitisasportste on Aug 15, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep, just like it was definitely the right call to yank Doc last night. Sure he could have pitched the shutout, but throwing 125-130+ pitches may have unforeseen repercussions – at 113, it was the right amount, and saving him for the stretch drive.
by WanderingMoses on Aug 15, 2010 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions
For the No hitter I would have left him in and pulled him when / if he gives up a hit.
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by sowhatifitisasportste on Aug 15, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I used to think this way, but if the guy has injury issues and all that, gotta keep the guy healthy.
by WanderingMoses on Aug 15, 2010 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions
FM’s comment posted up less than 2 secounds before mine and I was unaware he had tendonitis but still how often do pitchers get a shot like this?
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by sowhatifitisasportste on Aug 15, 2010 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions
No-hitter =/= shutout.
No-hitter > win.
If I was at just over 100 pitches 7IP through a no-hitter, I’d be furious. If I cared remotely about the Twins or Kevin Slowey, I’d be furious.
Now, If he has tendonitis, that’s a different story, but unless there’s a really compelling reason, (Like, say, Clu Haywood is facing Ed Harris and you want the Wild Thing), but otherwise, let him out for another inning, at least. If he gets in trouble in the 8th, be ready for a quick hook, but let him have the chance.
And then he tears a tendon in his elbow and never pitches effectively again. You are right, definitely worth the risk.
Pessimism of the intellect, optimism of the will.
And if he's not fully back to health, maybe he shouldn't be pitching.
Although, given the recent tendonitis, if he must pitch, I can see pulling him regardless.
In other circumstances, however, I’d feel differently.
All pitchers are always at risk of tearing a tendon. The reason why pitchers velocities have never reached past 100 mph is the limitation of the ulnar collateral ligament which connects the humerus and ulna—two of the bones that come together in the elbow
In almost every measurable physical activity, athletes show improvement over time. Jumpers jump higher and farther, and runners and swimmers go faster. Since the late 1950s, the high-jump world record has improved by more than 10 percent, the 100-meter-dash mark has improved by 5 percent, and swimming’s best 100-meter freestyle has dipped 12 percent.
This isn’t the case for pitcher velocity. All the forces generated in the wind-up’s dynamic kinetic chain of the are limited by the tolerances of the ulnar collateral ligament which for the average person snaps at the level of torque that most pitchers achieve – 80 Newton-meters. Pitchers can’t really exceed that limit without there are arm flying off. Since ligaments are stronger than tendons it stands to reason that tendons would suffer damage when the pushed to these outer limits. Connective tissue can be strengthened but it is best done early in the athlete’s development. Requires alot of very high repetiition, light load exercises for 3- 6 months which should be done before (as with any general conditioning in any sport) a ball is even pitched. But this doesn’t happen. Most young arms are damaged goods in one form or another probably by the time they start throwing in high school. Combining these factors, you get DLs chock full of pitchers every year and teams hedging their bets by erring on the side of caution.
Wow
Makes you wonder why anyone would want to pitch professionally. And maybe that explains how Nolan Ryan, who could fling the ball at high speeds his entire career without serious damage to his arm, is such a freak of nature that we need to beware any attempts he makes to get pitchers to do what he did.
by phillyinportland on Aug 15, 2010 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions
If he's at increased risk...
Everyone’s at risk. Slowey could have been gunned down in the parking lot. He could have been struck by lightning. He could have been trampled by a wildly misdirected herd of stampeding rhinocerous.
If, however, he is at INCREASED risk of tearing a tendon because of a recent case of tendonitis, then, sure, I’d consider it fair to take extra precautions.
Timmy Pothead was just yanked after 3.2 IP and 94 pitches. Phillies lineup includes Dobbs at first base. Yuck.
Yeah, forgot about Dobbs’ numbers against BIG PELF.
Hopefully he fields better than he does at 3rd.
by WanderingMoses on Aug 15, 2010 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions
A bigger concern for me is that Kendrick is facing a lineup with 7 lefties in it tonight. Prepare for them to make it rain on a schmedrick.
Pessimism of the intellect, optimism of the will.
Too bad he can’t morph into Greg Maddux with his backdoor 2-seamer against the lefties.
by WanderingMoses on Aug 15, 2010 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, that is a concern. The good news is that these particular lefties suck. No, that’s an exaggeration, but still, we’re not talking about righty-killers like Andre Ethier.
mets ops splits vs. righties in 2010
Reyes .724
Pagan .885
Wright .762
Beltran .590 in 67 AB
Davis .752
Martinez .448 in 13 AB
Thole .826
Tejada .410
Normally Beltran kills righties, but he still has yet to find his stroke. (Although, admittedly, I can’t think of anyone better for him to find it against than KK.)
you never know he could be Dr Jeckle tonight …. lets just hope he left the transformation vial in Philly
Hey Dez, it's 2am do you know where your mother is?
by sowhatifitisasportste on Aug 15, 2010 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Dr. Jeckle and Mr. Hide by Robber Louise Steepenson?
Pessimism of the intellect, optimism of the will.
Dr? Mr? and? by?
Doktyr, Mistor, yhnd, & bie.
Ergo:
Doktyr Jeckle yhnd Mistor Hide, bie Robber Louise Steepenson.
So the Cards were down 9-2 at the start of this inning?
by WanderingMoses on Aug 15, 2010 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah. In fairness to Marmol, the bases were loaded when he came in, which really isn’t the ideal stituation for him
Tying runs in scoring position because SS muffed DP ball.
by WanderingMoses on Aug 15, 2010 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions
So I happened to tune in to WFAN a little bit over the last few days, and man oh man, I had no idea just how prevalent the whole “Minaya is racist against whites because he only signs Latin players” line is in New York. I mean, really? Of all the many things to criticize Omar for, this is what WFAN callers want to talk about? The team is still almost 50% white guys – is that not enough?
So I went over to the Dodger nation and wished them good luck
“I don’t have anything nice to say”
“FUCK YOU”
“FUCK YOU RUIZ”
“Fuck Carlos Ruiz. Instead of attacking sbn people.”
Just a few of the replies
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by sowhatifitisasportste on Aug 15, 2010 5:52 PM EDT reply actions
Wished them good luck for what exactly?
Looking forward to the Kevin Kolb era.
5-8-10...the day the Purdue Boilermakers basketball team won the 2011 NCAA Championship!!
Good luck against the Braves
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by sowhatifitisasportste on Aug 15, 2010 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Well considering the beating they got today, the disarray of their team and the owning of their team that our beloved Phillies have out on the Dodgers, I think it’s best if we all just leave them to their own misery.
Looking forward to the Kevin Kolb era.
5-8-10...the day the Purdue Boilermakers basketball team won the 2011 NCAA Championship!!
This was five pitches into the game lol
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by sowhatifitisasportste on Aug 15, 2010 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Now we know why the Dodgers lost 13-1. To spite sowhatifitis.
by WanderingMoses on Aug 15, 2010 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I like this one:
"Fuck Carlos Ruiz. Instead of attacking sbn people."
Is he suggesting that you have intercourse with Chooch? What other interpretation can we draw from that? And why the period?
The Cards have lost. The Giants are losing (second straight bad outing for Lincecum). So if the Phillies win tonight….
Division baby, I’m glad the WC is so tight so when the Phillies take over first place in the Division the Braves are fighting for a playoff spot with the Giants and Cards / Reds
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by sowhatifitisasportste on Aug 15, 2010 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Fully agree.
But a couple of weeks ago, I thought catching the Giants would have been the harder task, especially after that great run they had (21 -5 or something).
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