Phillies Prospect Roundup: Deadline Day
The MLB Draft process is vastly unlike its counterparts in the other four major sports, and today serves as yet another example of this. While NFL first rounders haggle over bonuses, we all know they're going to sign eventually -- but with baseball, it's very much an open question. The focus of the prospecting world will be on Bryce Harper, Manny Machado and the like, to see whether they even sign and how much of a bonus they get if they do, but every team is working feverishly to get as many draftees signed as possible.
If you're familiar at all with the draft, then you know that the commissioner's office promulgates a recommended slotting system for all draft picks, and prefers teams to hold off on announcing above slot deals until the days leading up to the deadline. This creates a mad rush of signing news in mid-August, as one look at the Fanshots on MLB Bonus Baby will show.
The Phillies have already been active, as MLB Trade Rumors reported last night that the club agreed to deals with 28th round outfielder Brian Pointer for $350K, and 21st round right hander Jonathan Musser for $300K. I'm planning a full draft writeup in the next few days, and I'll address those two in more detail at that point. For now, the focus shifts to 5th rounder Scott Frazier, and I personally hold out some hope for 20th rounder Kevin Walter.
In honor of this joyous occasion, I'm using this week's prospect roundup to highlight bonus babies from years past. Check below the jump to see the Phillies' top four prospects, some toolshed outfielders, and some projectable right handed pitchers.
Domonic Brown, OF-L, Philadelphia: 20th round, 2006, $200K bonus. Dom finally earned his first walk last Wednesday, and was promptly rewarded by being shuttled off to the bench when Shane Victorino returned from the disabled list. Count me in the school of thought that maintains Dom would benefit from everyday at bats for the remainder of the Triple-A season, and can reassume his role as 4th outfielder extraordinaire (in preparation for an everyday job in 2011) when the IronPigs' season ends in early September.
Jarred Cosart, RHP, Lakewood: 38th round, 2008, $550K bonus. Cosart was officially shut down for the season a week-and-a-half back, and the "err on the side of caution" approach is certainly a prudent one in the case of any lingering elbow soreness. That speed bump aside, it's impossible to classify 2010 as anything but a rousing success for the Texas flamethrower, as his 9.7 K/9, 2.0 BB/9, 0.38 HR/9, 55.6% GB and 2.47 FIP highlight what a dominant campaign it was for Cosart. If Dom somehow accumulates 130 at bats this year, Cosart is likely to assume his place as top Phillies prospect in most offseason prospect rankings.
Jonathan Singleton, 1B-L, Lakewood: 8th round, 2009, $200K bonus. It's been a rough second half for the young slugger, as a .239/.341/.350 performance after the All-Star break has dragged his season line down from the stratosphere. Before the pendulum of prospectnik opinion swings too far the other direction, however, consider a few things: (1) even during his slump, he's controlled the strike zone well (12.6% BB, 17.2% K); (2) he's still the subject of glowing scouting reports; and (3) he doesn't turn 19 until next month.
Brody Colvin, RHP, Lakewood: 7th round, 2009, $900K bonus. Colvin was the highest regarded draftee on this list, as he was considered a borderline first round talent who fell to the 7th round only for signability reasons. His first full season of pro ball has been an excellent one, with solid peripherals (8.0 K/9, 2.9 BB/9, 0.52 HR/9, 47.3% GB) adding up to an impressive 3.33 FIP. Colvin might find his way onto some offseason Top 100 lists, making this look like $900,000 well spent by the Phillies.
Jiwan James, OF-S, Lakewood: 22nd round, 2007, $150K bonus. James' second half performance -- he's hit .325/.374/.391 since the All-Star break -- is certainly a positive indicator, but as it's come without great improvement in plate discipline (6.2% BB, 21.3% K) or a power surge (just 10 XBH and a .066 ISO), it shouldn't cause us to revise our assessment all that much. It's just his first full season as a hitter, so James is still understandably raw, but as Mike Newman from Scouting the Sally mentioned in an interview with Phuture Phillies, "the clock continues to tick and he has plenty of catching up to do."
Colby Shreve, RHP, Lakewood: 6th round, 2008, $400K bonus. 2010 has been a success for Shreve in that he's remained healthy after finally getting back onto the field (a full two years after Tommy John surgery forced him to the sidelines). The numbers have, however, been something of a mixed bag. Five no hit innings yesterday lowered Shreve's FIP to 3.69, a number achieved mostly on the basis of solid control (2.5 BB/9); but the strikeout numbers are just okay (6.5 K/9), and he hasn't shown anything approaching extreme ground ball tendencies (39.4% GB). Scouting reports back in April had Shreve's stuff a bit shorter than it had been in his junior college days, so while it seems prudent to wait for updated reports (and to give him year 2 post-TJ to work out the kinks), there are at least some questions about what Shreve's upside is going forward.
Kyrell Hudson, OF-R, Williamsport: 3rd round, 2009, $475 bonus. I'll take the blame for the massive jinx I laid on Hudson by pointing out his 4-to-4 walk-to-strikeout ratio back at the end of June -- the erstwhile Oregon State football recruit has posted a 1-to-30 (!) walk-to-strikeout ratio since then en route to a .193/.223/.229 season line. Game reports have him looking great in center field, but predictably lost at the plate.
Aaron Altherr, OF-R, Williamsport: 9th round, 2009, $150K bonus. Altherr didn't skip a beat after promotion to Williamsport a month ago, going 9-for-27 before missing two weeks after an outfield collision. Altherr's 6-to-26 walk-to-strikeout ratio is a red flag, but he's still managed to hit .310/.344/.401 across two levels. I'll use the rest of this space as a brief opportunity to get on my soapbox. The real difference between Altherr and Hudson is in where they were drafted. Great athletes with limited baseball skills are there to be nabbed later on, as Altherr and Brown and James demonstrate -- but popping them early (as in the case of Hudson or, say, Anthony Hewitt) deprives the club of a chance to select more established talent at that point. It's a general drafting philosophy that I think the Phillies could benefit from: bust slot later to get your toolsheds, and grab more polished players (either college or high school) earlier on.
Steven Inch, RHP, GCL Phillies: 6th round, 2009, $300K bonus. The Canadian right hander was the best high school arm (non-Colvin division) that the Phillies signed last year, but he's sat out all of 2010 with an apparent injury. I liked the brief scouting reports I was able to get my hands on, with Andy Seiler noting that Inch demonstrates "projectability with good pitchability, an excellent combination." Assuming he's able to return to the bump next year, Inch will still only be 20 years old, and he'll have plenty of time to make good on the bonus the organization handed him last year.
Julian Sampson, RHP, Williamsport: 12th round, 2007, $390K bonus. Sampson was the big prize on 2007 deadline day, and had a profile reminiscent of Trevor May's at that point -- i.e. a big Northwest right hander loaded with projection. It's been a struggle for the Washington native, however, as his career 5.33 ERA and middling peripherals (5.1 K/9, 3.2 BB/9) attest. Sent to the bullpen this year in hopes of jump-starting his career, Sampson has managed to get his peripherals in line (27:6 K:BB in 26.0 IP), but he's been hittable (.351 BAA) to an extent that even a .438 BABIP can't fully explain. Value process over result, though -- Sampson's $390,000 bonus was still money well spent for the Phillies. As a wiser fellow than myself once said, sometimes you eat the bear, and sometimes the bear, well, he eats you.
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Kelly Dugan was given some props today
Kelly Dugan, OF, Philadelphia Phillies (Rookie-level GCL)
The Phillies’ top pick in 2009 out of a California high school, Dugan is one of those big, raw athletes the Phillies covet — and even though he’s back in the GCL for a second season, the 19-year-old is arguably the hottest hitter in baseball, returning from an injury to go 17-for-26 (.654) in seven GCL games with a nifty 1.585 OPS. A 6-foot-3 switch-hitter with average speed, a good arm and intriguing power potential, he’s just getting going, but should be ready for a full-season assignment in 2011 so the Phillies can figure out what they have here.
It’s probably time for Dugan to head back up to Williamsport, but no need to rush it. He is still only 19 years old.
Looks like there’s gonna be one heckuva logjam in Lakewood outfield next year. I recall we talked about this last year, but looks like it’s materializing one year late.
Let’s assume Hudson stays down in W-port for another year, since he’s struggling so much. That still leaves you with: Dugan, Altherr, Domingo Santana, Zach Collier, Miguel Alvarez, and Gauntlett Eldemire. All guys with legit potential. Gonna be tough to give PT to all of them.
I guess the idea will be to let them all split time for a couple of months, then promote whoever’s doing the best so that everyone else will have more PT, then lather rinse repeat?
I’d need to look at stats, but could any just stay in Rookie leagues or extended ST next year until promotions make sense from Lakewood.
that could makes sense for Collier, who missed this season, and Eldemire, who doesn’t have a professional AB
maybe then throw Santana into the DH spot, then he doesn’t have to worry about fielding and can maybe improve his plate discipline
http://phightinmathematician.blogspot.com/
by annarborphillie on Aug 16, 2010 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Phis 3B of the Future
Though I agree that the Phillies should not mess with a good thing and Dugan’s hitting is a very good thing.
However, he was a 1B in high school and has a good enough arm for CF. He is obviously a good athlete. Why not try him at 3B? He can always move back to the OF.
Great athletes with limited baseball skills are there to be nabbed later on, as Altherr and Brown and James demonstrate — but popping them early (as in the case of Hudson or, say, Anthony Hewitt) deprives the club of a chance to select more established talent at that point. It’s a general drafting philosophy that I think the Phillies could benefit from: bust slot later to get your toolsheds, and grab more polished players (either college or high school) earlier on.
Preach it, brother. Every draft pick entails risk, but exclusive focus on possible upside—which, in Hewitt’s case, was pretty widely regarded as huge—carries too much in terms of opportunity cost.
Probably there’s a case to be made that when you’re drafting toward the end of the first round, as the Phillies have been and hopefully continue to do for a long time to come, you use that pick on low-risk likely contributors, and take your huge shots and pay above-slot bonuses later on.
I’m okay with the occasional early lottery pick. I depends upon who’s available for one thing. If it’s late first round and the best talent on the board has the floor of Kyle Kendrick and the ceiling of Joe Blanton, but there’s a lottery card available who has a ceiling of Ken Griffey Jr. and a floor of . I take the lottery card.
I didn’t like the Hewitt pick, but it was mitigated by the fact that they had six early picks that year, so they could afford to take shots downfield.
Gose and Knapp have already paid off in terms of trade return, and Vance Worley and Jonathan Pettibone are pretty decent prospects. And the jury’s still out on the other kid, Collier, too, since he’s been hurt.
I guess the corollary to my above soapbox rant is my general philosophical preference for early round picks to have exhibited some modicum of current skills (specifically, I’m thinking pitch recognition). It’s why I liked the Collier pick at the time, but disliked the Hewitt and Gose picks — the latter two had serious questions about their ability to make contact (though Gose obviously far outstripped my expectations on that front).
I take the point overall, but Worley was more like the kind of guy I meant—college pitcher, not huge stuff but with a clue on the mound. They’ve done a lot of that over the last few years with guys like Happ and Carpenter.
Not every team can do that, but for a large-market club that make the occasional foray into free agency or the high-end trade market, I think there’s a lot to be said for looking to fill out middle of the roster with high-probability high-round picks.
Oh, I didn’t mean to suggest that Worley was a high-risk/high-ceiling pick. But the fact that they had so many picks that year had two benefits: First, they were able to take multiple high-risk/high-ceiling guys, thus giving them “more shots downfield.” And second, they were able to mix in a low-risk/moderate-ceiling guy in there too, as a sort of hedge.
Oh, I didn’t mean to suggest that Worley was a high-risk/high-ceiling pick. But the fact that they had so many picks that year had two benefits: First, they were able to take multiple high-risk/high-ceiling guys, thus giving them “more shots downfield.” And second, they were able to mix in a low-risk/moderate-ceiling guy in there too, as a sort of hedge.
Oh, I didn’t mean to suggest that Worley was a high-risk/high-ceiling pick. But the fact that they had so many picks that year had two benefits: First, they were able to take multiple high-risk/high-ceiling guys, thus giving them “more shots downfield.” And second, they were able to mix in a low-risk/moderate-ceiling guy in there too, as a sort of hedge.
No – I was referring to Hudson’s walk to strikeout ratio!
by David S. Cohen on Aug 16, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I literally did laugh out loud.
But to address your actual point… nope, that’s not a good ratio. It makes me wonder how he ever managed those 4 walks in his first 6 games.
Blind squirrel: Nut or really bad pitches taken- (think a series of walks against pitchers who have absolutely no connection to the strike zone?
by dannijd on Aug 16, 2010 4:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Awesome. I really, really like Walter’s profile — he’s probably my favorite player in this draft class aside from Biddle.
Not really holding out hope on Frazier at this point, but if his rumored bonus demands are accurate, I don’t actually mind signing Walter, Pointer and Musser instead (if this came down to something of an either/or situation within the budget).
Yeah, I definitely wouldn’t go higher than Colvin. Colvin got sandwich round money last year because that was his consensus talent level; BA had him #43 overall, for instance. For comparison’s sake, BA has Frazier at #85 overall, and the estimated bonus for that slot in the draft this year is $417K. Wild guess here, but I’d venture that the Phillies probably don’t want to go much above $600K to $700K for Frazier — and if he wasn’t going to sign for that amount, then it’s very possible that they used that money to bump up the offers to the other three.
i don’t know much about Frazier, but from what I gather he has a similar ceiling to Colvin but with his mechanics and lack of velocity is a little bit more of a risk. does this seem like a fair assessment? by that logic $600K to $700K seems fair.
http://phightinmathematician.blogspot.com/
by annarborphillie on Aug 16, 2010 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s pretty fair. It’s more the mechanics and not the velocity that are the problem; at his size, with funky mechanics, he has some problems repeating his delivery, which leads to inconsistent results. Andy Seiler summed up by saying that he’ll “need a more lengthy re-work than most high-level prep pitchers,” but that his upside is nonetheless substantial.
didn’t Cosart have a pause in his delivery like Aaron Cook and they improved that relatively quickly. that gives me some confidence they would be able to work with Frazier
http://phightinmathematician.blogspot.com/
by annarborphillie on Aug 16, 2010 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Tall pitchers (Frazier is 6’7") frequently have problems with repeatable mechanics and it’s usually not an overnight fix. He could get them fixed in a few years and be great. Frazier can supposedly touch 96 with his fastball and his size makes him really projectable. I like Frazier, but agree with PF that it’s not worth breaking the bank for.
They don’t- per Matt Gelb the parties will not reach an agreement before the deadline.
by dannijd on Aug 16, 2010 10:52 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
OT: K-Rod might need surgery
http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/news/story?id=5468863
Looking forward to the Kevin Kolb era.
5-8-10...the day the Purdue Boilermakers basketball team won the 2011 NCAA Championship!!
I wouldn’t blame them- not only did he commit a criminal act on their grounds, but this act caused him an injury that may take him out for the season- why should they keep him around? If I were the Wilpons I would be trying to either void the contract or at least find a way to not have to pay him while he is on the DL with this injury.
by dannijd on Aug 16, 2010 10:55 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Leadoff triple by Infante in the 6th.
by philsandthrills on Aug 16, 2010 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions
And Ethier just took away a HR just about.
by philsandthrills on Aug 16, 2010 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Infante is an allstar.
What do u expect?
Conrad just lost a ball to start the 8th, man on first and no outs.
by philsandthrills on Aug 16, 2010 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions
In other news
Cliff Lee and David Price faced off in Tampa, and Price gave up 5BB’s in 6IP, or in other words, he gave up half of Lee’s season total in one start. How exactly is Lee below this guy in the Cy Young race? (At least from articles from voters I’ve seen)
by philsandthrills on Aug 16, 2010 9:24 PM EDT reply actions
2008
Because David Price single-handedly won the World Series for the Rays in 2008, you silly goose!
http://www.thegoodphight.com
Huh
I guess that’s why I’ve been hearing all this Brad Lidge for MVP talk.
by philsandthrills on Aug 16, 2010 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Only a 10.0 K/BB ratio for Lee, bringing down his overall numbers.
I was watching some of it, Lee got blooped to death in the 8th.
by philsandthrills on Aug 16, 2010 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Ha ha! 2 runs score! Conrad makes his second error of the inning. Then Heyward makes an error in the first base area. Wow.
That’s two runs on a walk and three errors.
by philsandthrills on Aug 16, 2010 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Dodgers
according to their broadcast are 0-20 with RISP for the series.
And they may take two of four.
by philsandthrills on Aug 16, 2010 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Ethier should’ve just figured out that there will be no defense this inning and put the ball in play. A strikeout pretty much prevents that.
by philsandthrills on Aug 16, 2010 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Theriot ran about as fast as Bengie Molina there. Out by a mile.
by philsandthrills on Aug 16, 2010 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions
On topic post
Apparently, the phillies will not reach an agreement with Scott Frazier.
by philsandthrills on Aug 16, 2010 9:54 PM EDT reply actions
yup
Oh well.
http://www.thegoodphight.com
by WholeCamels on Aug 16, 2010 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Well at least we know the money that could’ve gone to him was well invested. Right, Danys Baez?
by philsandthrills on Aug 16, 2010 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Kuo
is close to giving this back to the Braves. No outs, two men on.
by philsandthrills on Aug 16, 2010 10:09 PM EDT reply actions
Not even his fault. Gonzalez with a Chip Caray special to left, then McCann pulled one right where Loney should have been (why are you holding a man on first in a 2-run game with a dead pull hitter at the plate, Mr. Torre?), then Ausmus belies his reputation as a stellar defensive catcher by letting a fastball right through the wickets.
by PhillyFriar on Aug 16, 2010 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions
The Dodgers are, and always will be, gutless turds.
http://www.thegoodphight.com
by WholeCamels on Aug 16, 2010 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe they were serious about hating us — and throwing this series to the Braves to keep us out of the playoffs.
by PhillyFriar on Aug 16, 2010 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions
And now the umpire isn’t even giving him pitches. Ball 3 was right in the middle of the plate. At least I don’t have to watch Brooks fucking Conrad hit a walk off HR.
by philsandthrills on Aug 16, 2010 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Now Dotel on. Just thank God it’s not a 1-run game, because I’m pretty confident he’ll walk a run in here.
by PhillyFriar on Aug 16, 2010 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Or a ball will go to Casey Blake, easy double play, and it’ll go straight through his legs?
by philsandthrills on Aug 16, 2010 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Wish I was wrong, if it’s any consolation.
by PhillyFriar on Aug 16, 2010 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions
He was never throwing out the runner at home anyway.
by PhillyFriar on Aug 16, 2010 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions
So does this double Kuo’s ERA for the year?
by philsandthrills on Aug 16, 2010 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions
They obviously should’ve sewn that one up, but there’s a hint of truth to what he’s saying. That inning went: bloop single; ground ball to (where the) first baseman (should’ve been playing if Torre wasn’t retarded); wild pitch; walk; ground ball to (where the) shortstop (would’ve been if he wasn’t cheating for the DP).
None of those balls were hit well, but I guess good teams make their own breaks — hell, the Phillies have made a living off of crap like that since 2007.
by PhillyFriar on Aug 16, 2010 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess I can’t be too mad about the Dodgers’ tendency to implode considering what happened last week, but still… sack the eff up and win a game, guys.
And the Dodgers finish their series with the Braves with 5 runs scored, having gone 0-20 with RISP.
by philsandthrills on Aug 16, 2010 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Apparently Kuo has a bit of Ryan Madson syndrome in him. He burned through the 8th inning on 7 pitches… then have jack shit left for the 9th inning. Once he comes back to the dugout and cools off the arm, his night should be over.
Two inning saves are pretty much limited to Rivera. Other than him, no one else does it.
by philsandthrills on Aug 16, 2010 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought K-Rod had a few this year? I know he got the last four outs against the Phillies in Santana’s last start against them.
by dannijd on Aug 16, 2010 11:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Statistical curiosity
MLB lists a hold for Kuo (presumably for the 8th inning) and then the loss. Dotel was credited with a blown save. Shouldn’t Kuo also be credited with a blown save? And if so, how can he also get a hold?
The blown save only goes to the guy who is in the game when the lead is lost.
by philsandthrills on Aug 16, 2010 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Fair enough. But then how does Kuo simultaneously get a hold and the loss? He didn’t exactly hold the lead if he gave it up.
That one I’m not so sure on. All the runs scored were Kuo’s fault, so that might be how it was determined. I say Torre gets the loss if the scorer was fair.
by philsandthrills on Aug 16, 2010 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions
No, wins and losses are stupid stats. The save is a goddamned stupid stat. A holds is a fucking ridiculous asinine stat.
by David S. Cohen on Aug 16, 2010 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
This is something that I think we can all heartily agree with; I was just asking the question because I thought it was odd. I’ve never really paid attention to the “hold” stat so I was curious and figured that this was a good chance to ask the question. This particular game situation is the perfect example why these statistics are so meaningless.
The lead still existed while Kuo was in the game, so the criteria for “earning” a hold apply. And those criteria (entering a game in a save situation, recording at least one out) do make it possible to earn a hold and lose the game after you’ve left. It’s a dumb (probably unforeseen) consequence of the confluence of two stats.

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