Battle of Attrition: Astros 4, Phillies 2 (16)
This game had everything -- dramatic 9th inning home runs, an ejection, pitchers playing the outfield and outfielders playing first base -- and when all was said and done, and Roy Oswalt had grounded out to end the Phillies' longest game of the 2010, the Fightins' had simply lost a battle of attrition. A cynical Phillies fan might say that an Ed Wade-built team is geared toward winning drawn out affairs of this sort -- he is, after all the world's preeminent collector of middle relievers -- and in truth, the Astros' bullpen was excellent tonight. Fernando Abad and Mark Melancon were particularly impressive, as Houston kept the Phillies off the board during extra innings.
But the Phillies had their chances in extras, and their bullpen was likewise excellent. J.C. Romero, Chad Durbin, Brad Lidge, Jose Contreras, Ryan Madson, and Danys Baez held the Astros at bay from the 8th through the 13th, allowing Jimmy Rollins to send the game into extras via a dramatic 2-out solo shot in the 9th. Later on, David Herndon proved effective in the 14th and 15th before getting BABIP'd in the 16th. Hunter Pence and Chris Johnson both managed infield singles, while a potential double play was snuffed out by Raul Ibanez dropping the ball at first.
The more perceptive among the readership will cry out, "Pray tell, why was left fielder Raul Ibanez playing first base?" The answer is that Ibanez was part of a rather unique defensive shift employed in the top of 15th, necessitated by Ryan Howard's ejection for arguing a checked swing strike call in the bottom of the previous inning. With the bench used up by the bottom of the 13th, and the bullpen similarly exhausted in the top of the 14th, Manuel had only the starting rotation to turn to, and he chose Roy Oswalt to man left while Ibanez donned a first baseman's mitt for the first time since 2005. Naturally, Jason Castro flied out to the erstwhile Astros ace to start off the 15th, and Ibanez topped that by making a diving play to deny Michael Bourn a bunt base hit.
The truly unfortunate thing is that Hamels was again fantastic, and again had nothing to show for it. The southpaw made one mistake pitch to Carlos Lee, a hanging change up that El Caballo deposited into the left field seats, but was otherwise excellent. His final line had him surrendering just 5 hits and a walk while whiffing 8 across 7 frames, and Hamels might even have come out for the 8th if the 2-1 deficit didn't dictate his removal for a pinch hitter. It's now 8 games without a win for Hamels, who certainly deserves more based on the year he's having.
The reason for his cold streak is the Phillies' offense, which has still yet to be jump started by the returns of Chase Utley and Ryan Howard. Howard is just 2-for-19 since his return on Saturday, and took a platinum sombrero (not to mention the ejection) tonight, while Utley is a slightly better, but still not Utley-esque, 7-for-28 since last week. Just need that usual September run to kick in right about now...
The Phils remain 0.5 games ahead of San Francisco for the NL Wild Card, pending the Giants' game with the Reds tonight. With the Braves' loss at Colorado, the Phils remain 2.5 back in the division.
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Now, THIS loss was a tough one. I am spitting nails right now—angry at the Phillies’ offense, angry at the crappy umpires who think people pay to see them make calls, angry at Ryan Howard for putting Roy Oswalt in the OF (and yet—at the same time—kind of awed that he charged that pig-effer with his hands on his hips, daring Howard to come after him), but most of all…angry at the fact that the Astros, for whatever reason, always seem to give the Phillies fits. They can all EABOD.
Especially Hunter Pence. F him.
Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est.
Does the platinum sombrero come diamond encrusted for getting ejected?
by phillies fan in bowie on Aug 25, 2010 1:04 AM EDT reply actions
Absent from the recap...
I still don’t know what to say about the Howard ejection. I mean, he definitely needs to keep his cool under the circumstances, but this is a guy that rarely if ever argues with umpires. More than anything, I’m just surprised we haven’t gotten a good luck at the actual checked swing yet. It does seem like that Scott Barry has a ’tude.
Should also mention that I was highly impressed with Bud Norris. He’s still got some command issues to figure out, but his raw stuff is impressive, and he threw enough strikes tonight to keep the Phillies hitters off balance.
I didn’t get home from work until after the 7th inning so I can’t comment on Norris, though I wanted to see him pitch. I will say that Barry looked like he was looking to throw Howard out, hence the quick hook. I don’t think Howard helped things with his reaction to the first check swing strike.
by phillies fan in bowie on Aug 25, 2010 1:14 AM EDT up reply actions
I was almost surprised that he did not get ejected right there. I had a sinking feeling after that that if he did not manage to get on base (or at least connect with the ball) that he was going to wind up doing something that would end in his ejection. I understand that he is probably frustrated with himself, and that the umpire definitely did not help the situation with his attitude, but Ryan is not entirely innocent. Suspension or not, I think he needs the game off tomorrow to clear his head and work on getting re-focused.
In hindisght, Howard had to know that any check swing was going to be called a strike by the third base ump but he didn’t make the adjustment to either swing or hold off completely, thus falling into the ump’s trap. Since there was little chance the pitcher would throw a strike at that point, having just let the runners advance to 2nd and 3rd with two outs, it would have been smart to let the next few pitches go by. But right now it seems Howard is not a very smart batter.
by phillyinportland on Aug 25, 2010 3:27 AM EDT up reply actions
True… although I think the fact that he is not making contact just magnifies the fact that he is not being smart with his at-bats. I think he is getting frustrated with his inability to make contact, and that is possibly leading him to be frustrated and hurried instead of smart— he wants a hit so badly that he is unable to think his way through at bats, magnifying his usual lack of selectivity.
Fair point on Norris; actually until someone posted his last few lines, I didn’t realize he’d been so good so recently. Taking a look at his b-ref page, the discrepancy between his two years in the bigs are really weird. I get that the sample sizes are different, but with that in mind, he’s raised his SO/9, lowered his BB/9, lowered his H/9 and HR/9, but his ERA and ERA+ have both taken hits. FIP and xFIP are improved for this year, so maybe it’s all noise, but the counting stats definitely support my inability to ever place Norris as either promising young guy or forgettable Astros pitcher. I guess he’s the former, with a weirdly sabermetric appeal — neat.
This entire crew has attitude problems and itchy trigger fingers.
The first swing looked like he went around, but he jawed a little and Barry put his hands on his hips like a total henpecker, just waiting for any reason to toss Howard. The second checked swing call was BS. He held up from the replay I saw. Whatever. Call him out, but tossing him was BS.
They didn’t lose the game because of it, but I’m getting sick and tired of umpires making the game about themselves.
Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est.
Wow, the Astros are the bane of this team. It is just ridiculous. Halladay hopefully has his nine inning complete game shutoff stuff tomorrow night because this team really needs it.
And I like Happ and all, but the offense needs to get off of the schneid. I’d love to see them pound him, but all the signs point “not gonna happen”.
Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est.
If they need to be patient with anybody it is Happ, he can be wild sometimes. Need to take walks tomorrow.
I guess this is the type of game that happens when the first thought through my mind after J-Roll’s home run was: at least Cole won’t get the loss.
by phillies fan in bowie on Aug 25, 2010 1:25 AM EDT reply actions
Just got back from the ballpark. Tremendous atmosphere. It was extremely fun, despite the result.
I think this loss will not be discouraging to the team so much as galvanizing, since they will feel like they were victimized by an Enemy. I feel much the same way, or at least the fan analogue of that feeling. Obviously, the team itself missed opportunities as well, but it won’t be as tough to handle as it would have been had the umps not played such a large role in the game as well.
The sequence leading to Howard’s ejection happened so quickly that I missed it entirely. Those of you who watched on TV probably have a much better idea of what happened than I do. In some ways, being ejected might be the best thing that happened to him, because he was (rather unfairly, in my view, considering he is just back from extended time off due to an injury) getting booed a bit toward the end. That will not happen when he gets back on the field, whenever that might be.
Mrs. WL and the little WLs stuck it out with me. My 6-year-old cut lose with “These umps are fools!” and “These umps are losers!” but my favorite was “They’re such poopy wiener fartfaces!”
I had to cut him off at that point and remind him to keep it clean. But I had to agree. Poopy wiener fartfaces.
More to the point is I’ve got gamer 4- and 6-year-olds. I was proud of them last year for sticking out the 13-inning walkoff by Werth vs. the Cubs. But this game was a Phillies Fan Happening.
by Wet Luzinski on Aug 25, 2010 1:34 AM EDT up reply actions
This is excellent. And an important rite of passage, as all true Phillies fans must become familiar with the feeling of despair from time to time.
I’m going to be so toasted at work tomorrow.
Likewise, and I have a LOT of questions about sportsmanship, being an umpire, etc., why the umpires can “fire Charlie Manuel” but he can’t fire them, that will take until the next game to sort out.
by Wet Luzinski on Aug 25, 2010 1:40 AM EDT up reply actions
The number of people still in the stands was incredibly impressive. I remember that the “greatest fans in baseball” in St. Louis had mostly cleared out by the 12th inning of the 20 inning game against the Mets, and that was a day game. Makes me proud to be a Phillies fan.
by phillies fan in bowie on Aug 25, 2010 1:31 AM EDT up reply actions
True, but still a great showing by the Phillies faithful.
by phillies fan in bowie on Aug 25, 2010 1:36 AM EDT up reply actions
agreed on both counts. Had it been a steamer I would have packed up an hour before. But it stayed dry and around 70 degrees. Those who remained were leatherlunged, although don’t call me at work tomorrow.
by Wet Luzinski on Aug 25, 2010 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions
full-throated, on every pitch, especially after the Astros wussed and pitched around Utley (which was tactically sound, mind you, and hey, it was late). It sounded to me louder when Oswalt made his catch than when Rollins tied it. I was, for sure.
by Wet Luzinski on Aug 25, 2010 1:58 AM EDT up reply actions
was in the stands
of note:
- if anything positive comes of it, it’s a wake-up call for the team. I wouldn’t want to be J.A. Happ tomorrow. I think them boys will be angry.
- I wouldn’t be totally surprised if Howard is suspended a few games for his antics, so so much for the Vaunted Starting Eight. I’ve never seen him that angry, but he had a right to be. In context, that call on the second checked swing should have been in his favor based on the first one – almost every ump evens that out. But you could tell Barry made the second call out of vindictiveness.
- OTOH, if I were Manuel I might have played the game under protest just for the mere sport of it.
- This crew really needs a thorough review by MLB.
- The remaining fans were in full-throated support of Roy Oswalt, who was welcomed in grand style to Philadelphia tonight. Fans on feet for his entire last futile at bat.
I was a bit too far away from Barry to see this clearly, but I did feel like I detected some… snideness, I guess? – in his body language when he made the second strike call. And that was in the few seconds before I even realized there was anything going on between him and Howard.
We had seathawked right down on the third base line. I had a great view. The dugout erupted. For about 30 seconds, and a good 5 minutes after that, there was a lot of unsure body language. For a while it was unclear how many guys had been tossed. I thought Lopes and Ibanez had caught it too.
by Wet Luzinski on Aug 25, 2010 1:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Section 305 was up and mostly full the whole game. And we were booing the people who were leaving. But yeah, Roy and Raul deserve big props for their games.
The laws of alchemy dont justify murder........but the laws of murder justify being a cowboys fan :P
Oswalt’s a f’ing gamer, man. He earned his Philly stripes tonight. And that play by Raul at first? Awesome.
Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est.
If they didn’t win the game in the bottom of that inning I had a feeling that was it
by Sept.28.Oct.27.Dec.28.2008 on Aug 25, 2010 1:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Raul just missed a homer too
by Sept.28.Oct.27.Dec.28.2008 on Aug 25, 2010 1:48 AM EDT up reply actions
I so thought that was gone. A lot of WTP tonight from the Phils. The wind was blowing in all night.
Carlos effing Lee could handle it though.
by Wet Luzinski on Aug 25, 2010 1:52 AM EDT up reply actions
ya they missed about 4 or 5 close hrs tonight it seemed
by Sept.28.Oct.27.Dec.28.2008 on Aug 25, 2010 1:53 AM EDT up reply actions
but not that it ultimately mattered, but he muffed the dp ball later on that OUR NORMAL FIRST BASEMAN MIGHT HAVE CAUGHT. But whatevs
by Wet Luzinski on Aug 25, 2010 1:48 AM EDT up reply actions
I also think the team hit into some tough luck tonight. Howard, Werth, Ibanez, and Ruiz (twice) all hit fairly deep fly balls that were caught. Rollins had a hard liner right at Pence. Those are just off the top of my head. I didn’t really sense that the approaches taken at the plate were so terrible, although you-all’s MMV. I was totally convinced that the Ibanez fly in the 15th was going to end the ballgame, at the moment it left the bat.
they played a decent game of pepper with Bourn all night.
by Wet Luzinski on Aug 25, 2010 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Definitely. To the naked eye, he sure seems to cover a ton of ground out there. I’m not expert enough to read jumps, but the pure speed is impressive even when you already know about it in advance.
I believe Bourn is the real deal defensively. Long term the Lidge deal could really work out for the Astros, but both teams came away with value.
by Wet Luzinski on Aug 25, 2010 1:54 AM EDT up reply actions
So that’s where TP and WL were. It felt a little bit less special around here tonight
by Sept.28.Oct.27.Dec.28.2008 on Aug 25, 2010 1:35 AM EDT reply actions
yeah but for crissakes, 1600+ comments! 2 overflow threads. Wotta night here too.
by Wet Luzinski on Aug 25, 2010 1:38 AM EDT up reply actions
yea not to mention one of the TGP’ers had their hand with the golden sombrero wiki page
by Sept.28.Oct.27.Dec.28.2008 on Aug 25, 2010 1:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Although they are Yankee fans, my grandfather and my mother taught me to never leave a baseball game early. Tonight was the perfect example of why. Even if you have no rooting interest, you never know what’s going to happen during a game.
by phillies fan in bowie on Aug 25, 2010 1:38 AM EDT reply actions
Where did the Giants offense come from all of a sudden? It’s that damn Cody Ross, isn’t it? I hate that guy! F him, too!
Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est.
they always play better at home
Also, that embarrassment in st. louis from jaime garcia might have woken them up a bit.
by PhilsForever on Aug 25, 2010 1:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Considering that contact with an ump plus emptying a bag of balls bought Torii Hunter a four game suspension
How many games do you think Howard is going to get for this one?
because the home plate ump had to get involved to put himself in between, and because he stormed out of the dugout almost to third base, I’d figure two, but on closer review of the video he didn’t look as out of control as it sure felt watching it live.
Two would also get him clear of this crew, which might be good for everybody except the Phillies and their fans.
by Wet Luzinski on Aug 25, 2010 1:43 AM EDT up reply actions
I really hope that Ryan doesn ’t appeal.
1. I think that he needs a day or two off to get right for his own good. Rest the ankle, work out in the cage, do whatever he needs to do to be physically and mentally ready to return.
2. It is highly unlikely that he wins on appeal, meaning that all he would be doing is delaying the inevitable, possibly to a time when he is starting to hit well again, which would be the last time that I would want to see him wind up being suspended. Is having him out going to stink ? Yes… but right now, considering the way that he is hitting, I don’t know that having him there is helping this team that much. It is strange. If you told me that both he and Chase had come back from injury over the last week, and showed me their stats since return, then asked me which one was coming back from being gone for 7 weeks and which one was gone three weeks, I would have told you that Ryan was gone longer- he just looks completely lost at the plate.
I think two sounds about right, although considering the fact that the ump escalated things between pitches (CN8’s write up of the game mentioned the third base umpire was trying to rush him back in when he stepped out, further annoying Howard), I think that the league may say one. Unfortunately, it is doubtful that justice gets dispensed swiftly enough that the two games he is suspended would be tomorrow and Thursday (the league would have to pass judgment that fast, and Ryan would have to decide not to appeal the sentence, or lose his appeal before the suspension would be served. That being said, if I am Manuel, he sits tomorrow, suspended or not.
Not me. Putting on my Chollie hat, I think he likes to see the Big Piece play with a ’tood. I think I do too, lefty or not.
by Wet Luzinski on Aug 25, 2010 1:50 AM EDT up reply actions
I, for one, wouldn’t want to mess with Howard when he’s angry.
Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est.
yea polanco was doing his best to hold him back, but i was wondering why chase was so casual with howard and didn’t help hold him back
by Sept.28.Oct.27.Dec.28.2008 on Aug 25, 2010 1:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Secretly, Chase wanted him to eff ol’ Barry up. Or perhaps he was afraid Howard would break his finger again?
Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est.
i saw chase say something but it was polly and the ump holding howard back. classy move the ump holding him back, cuz he knew that ejection was bullshit
by Sept.28.Oct.27.Dec.28.2008 on Aug 25, 2010 1:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Aren’t the umpires not allowed to touch the players just as players are not allowed to touch umpires? Howard did not initiate contact with the umps. Not sure hoe he can be suspended for that.
Looking forward to the Kevin Kolb era.
5-8-10...the day the Purdue Boilermakers basketball team won the 2011 NCAA Championship!!
What does everyone think?
-Does this game ignite the Phillies, causing them to get their acts together and deal out a whuppin’ of their own, or does it leave them flat and likely to get beaten?
On the list of longest current scoreless inning streaks, Halladay was in third (now 2nd considering Rollins homered off of the guy in first) does he make it to the top of that list tomorrow night?
-Do the umpires straighten up in the second half of this series?
- Will the Phillies make it through tomorrow night without an ejection or ejections marring the game?
I am not sure about the first one, think that Halladay will probably keep his streak alive for at least a little while tomorrow, but think that there is not a prayer of the third one, and that tomorrow might be ejection city for the Phillies (1 ejection game one, 2 ejections game two, maybe three tomorrow for game three?)— so buckle your seat belts tomorrow is going to be a bumpy ride!
- Will the Phillies challenge the umpires to a smackdown with tasers and brass nukkles in the parking lot at dawn?
YES YES A THOUSAND TIMES YES
by Wet Luzinski on Aug 25, 2010 7:52 AM EDT up reply actions
So like most everyone else I suffered through a marathon game all the while seeing somethings that never in a million years could anyone have predicted.
I wanted to post last night but figured it was just easier to go to bed, sleep it off so to speak and then try it in the morning.
First thing is first. The ump did not cost the Phillies the game last night. He could have, he might have, but to blame it on him ignores the 15 or is it 17 runners the Phillies left on base? It would also ignore the fact that the Phillies were 0 for the game with RISP…all the while managing two runs…two runs against the Astros. A glorified AAAA team. The Phillies lost last night themselves, the umpire however did not help.
Ryan Howard…I don’t know whether to be mad, frustrated or glad to see how things played out for him. Clearly the guy is frustrated, he has been the definition of suck since he came back from the DL, culminating in last nights 0-7 with a staggering 5 K’s. I certainly can’t blame the guy for being frustrated. I don’t blame him for going off on Barry after getting tossed. In fact, I like seeing the fire that Howard displayed last night. I can only hope that last night was an awakening of the monster so to speak. Clearly Howard was frustrated after the first check swing call, which, was in fact a swing. Whether he was frustrated at Barry or himself I can not begin to know. Somehow Barry did. Or so his actions would indicate. Regardless of that, and regardless of the crap call that resulted in Howard striking out and ultimately his ejection from the game, he needs to be mindful of the situation, that there was no one else on the bench and keep his cool. He didn’t do that. Did Barry have a reason to eject Howard? Probably. Did he have a need to do so? Absolutely not. And that is my problem with all of this.
A player can be ejected, he can be fined, and he can be suspended for his actions on the field when they are deemed as unprofessional or inflammatory towards an umpire. A player can be held accountable. But what about the umpire? What recourse is there for the umpire? Once in a great while(see West, Joe) an ump will be fined or suspended for his comments. But on a day to day basis an umpire, someone who is supposed to be fair and unbiased, can be anything but and nothing is done about it. An umpire can hold a grudge and they can act on it if they so decide to do so. A player? Sure they can dislike an umpire but acting as such will result in a less than positive result.
Last night Scott Barry made himself a part of the game. Last night Scott Barry made a decision that was unjust, in my opinion vindictive, and premeditated. Seemed to me that after the first check swing call that Barry was just itching for a reason to toss Howard. In the split second between when Howard K’d and when he was ejected I just knew it was going to happen. Last night Barry made a strike out call, right or wrong he made a call and instead of turning his back and waiting for the next inning to start he stared Howard down, almost bating him to give him a reason. And sure enough, whether it was worthy or not, Howard gave him a reason. Now I personally don’t think tossing a bat is merit enough to throw someone out of the game, hell guys do it all the time, especially when they strike out for the 5th time in a game. At the end of the day it is about accountability, the players are held accountable, umpires? Not so much. Like I said earlier, the ump did not cost the team the game, but they might have. Either way, they played a part in the outcome, the outcome of a team fighting for a playoff spot and that, is more than an umpire should ever do. Thank God Oswalt didn’t get hurt trying to track down a ball in the outfield.
And that is my rant.
Looking forward to the Kevin Kolb era.
5-8-10...the day the Purdue Boilermakers basketball team won the 2011 NCAA Championship!!
Agreed on the need for umpire accountability. I actually saw Ryan’s ejection coming after the first check swing call. And from what I read on CN8, it sounds like Barry spent pretty much the entire rest of the at bat baiting Howard. I am not saying that Howard is guiltless here. He is probably going to be suspended, and it is possibly the right that he will be. However, the umpire did everything in his power to escalate a bad situation, and for that, he too should be penalized. While Howard’s absence both did and did not cost this team the game (while the botched play at first only led to the second run being scored, it can be argued that had Howard still been in the game, he would have been much more likely to get a hit in the bottom of that inning or at least to keep that pitcher honest enough that Utley and Polanco would have seen strikes), and we know that this team can survive without Howard (if the DL wave has taught anything this year it is that nobody is indispensible), both were out of line, and both (or neither) should be punished.
pretty fair and reasonable rant.
I think what a lot of us are looking for (and not going to get) is some sort of press release equivalent about when bad umps get reprimanded for their poor performance. Fact is, you’re not ever going to get that, so we might as well give up on it. For MLB to comment at all on the actions it has with an umpire is essentially an admission of guilt, and it cannot do that, as it plays to the integrity of the game. The umpire is the final say so. If in 5 days, Barry is no longer an umpire, MLB essentially admits that he screwed up. They’re not going to do that. When the smoke clears, he’ll likely be sent back down, and no mention of it will be made, per protocol, and if anybody asks, MLB will not respond. That’s just how it is, and it isn’t going to change.
Additionally, consider your own job and the similarities. If somebody in my group were to get fired for any reason (poor performance, insubordination, criminal activity, fraud, etc….), they’d be shown the door, and we’d be informed that they shouldn’t be let in the door as they don’t have a keycard anymore. There would be no official announcement telling us that Sally took some Oxycodone out of a test bottle. A couple months later, they’d alter the SOP to attend to the misaction, we’d all know what happened, but there’d never be any formal discussion of the event.
MLB has protecting the integrity of the game as a high standard. Reprimanding umpires in even a psuedo-public fashion shows their occassional short comings and cannot occur.
I both do and do not agree with this. On one hand, I understand and agree with you that the umpires need to have the final word on the field. On the other, what Barry did the other night still galls me- it is completely unacceptable in that situation to continue to escalate it. That being said, Barry is only up because another ump is on vacation, so I think he may go back down sooner than you think, as it would have been his scheduled time to go anyway.
I do not know about your job, but in mine, the screw ups are not seen by millions of people. While I agree that all companies do damage control when they can (sometimes due to the fact that they have to to avoid a law suit from the ex-employee), I look at the NFL as an example here of how situations such as this one can be handled. The NFL’s head of officiating makes himself available to the media both during and after games and answers questions as to whether the Referees on the field made the right call. And he is honest about it- I have seen him admit when the wrong call is made. While it may not change the outcome, sending this umpire down or firing him would send the message that the behavior he committed is unacceptable and will not be tolerated. I just hope that they do something about that umpire, even if it is not public- and that they file the Ryan Howard tape as something to play to both current and future umpires during their training- a sort of “how not to handle the situation” tape akin to all those sexual harassment videos I have been forced to watch with the bad dramatizations.
That being said, Barry’s actions throughout the at bat may be the reason Ryan does not get suspended. While it could be argued that Barry caused the actions that led to the ejection (and I fully believe that he did), hopefully the league will at least not publicly sanction Ryan Howard for his behavior while not saying a think to the umpire. To punish Ryan in public while doing nothing (or at least nothing public) to the umpire almost appears to be supporting that umpire’s behavior, which is the last thing that the league should want to do.

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