Hollywood Ending: Phillies 5, Padres 0
by dajafi on Aug 29, 2010 7:04 PM EDT
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PrintThe last time Cole Hamels had enjoyed a lead while he was in a game was four weeks ago today, when the Phillies scored two runs in the top of the first against the Nationals. That was it runs-wise until the seventh, when they scored two more to erase a 4-2 deficit and take Hamels off the hook, ultimately winning 6-4 in 11 innings. Then came consecutive 1-0 defeats to the Mets, during which games Hamels threw 15 innings, allowed two runs on 11 hits and two walks, struck out 19, and took two defeats. On Aug. 19 against the Giants, presumably figuring "what the hell," he allowed five runs in five innings to snap a string of nine straight quality starts... exactly one of which he'd won.
So Hamels must have viewed Sunday's outburst of one run in the third inning, two in the seventh and one more each in the eighth and ninth with a mix of gratitude, incredulity and whatever the word is for "about f&^*ing time." Whether or not there was any causal relationship, that first run the Phils scored in the third--on a two-out Jimmy Rollins single that brought home Carlos Ruiz, who'd walked, taken second on the first of two throwing errors on the day by Padres starter Clayton Richard, and moved to third on a Hamels groundout--marked a turnaround in Cole's day. Playing against his hometown team, the lefty had thrown 50 pitches through the first two innings, working around some trouble. Over the next six, he threw just 65, allowing one more hit--a third inning single by Adrian Gonzalez--and setting down the last 16 San Diego hitters he faced.
Richard was nearly as good, keeping the game to 1-0 until the seventh, when he walked Jayson Werth after a long battle. Mike Sweeney, starting in place of Ryan Howard, yanked Richard's next pitch down the left-field line, clanking it off the wall beyond left field for his first home run as a Phillie and a 3-0 lead. Two more Padres errors led to another run in the eighth, and Werth hit a solo homer in the ninth to nearly the same spot where Will Venable pulled one back from the stands to deprive Werth of a homer in Friday night's game.
As the Braves rallied for six runs in the last two innings to down the Marlins, the win keeps the Phillies two games back in the NL East.
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Hamels
Best outing of the year.
8 Innings, 0 ER, 115 Pitches, 6 SO and, sat down the last 16 he faced.
Hey Dez, it's 2am do you know where your mother is?
by sowhatifitisasportste on Aug 29, 2010 7:47 PM EDT reply actions
His game against St. Louis 8IP, 1 H, 1BB, 7K, 0R on a PC of 97 is his best game of this season in my opinion.
Looking forward to the Kevin Kolb era.
5-8-10...the day the Purdue Boilermakers basketball team won the 2011 NCAA Championship!!
It’s not all about the strikeout.
One 11 K game (vs Mets) he gave up 6 hits, 1 ER (in a 1-0 loss)
His two other 10+ K games he gave up 6 hits and 4 runs and 9 hits and 4 runs. This was against the Nationals and Giants.
K’s may look great on the statsheet but it is not the end all be all of a good pitching performance.
Of course not, but Ks are great. Ks dont give a chance for your team to make an error or for the BABIP gods to screw you.
The crucial quote from that article
The strike-everyone-out approach comes with an inability to work deep into ballgames. Even though Verlander is once again among the league leaders in pitches thrown, he’s only tossed one complete game and gotten through eight innings on three other occasions. For comparison, Halladay has eight complete games and has gotten through eight innings in five other starts.
Exactly. Strikeouts require at least 3 pitches, often a lot more. Other outs require just 1 at the least.
by David S. Cohen on Aug 29, 2010 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, a lack of walks also means the pitch count will be lower. However,would you rather a pitcher go deeper in the game with fewer K’s or have more K’s but not be able to pitch more than 6-7 innings (leaving the game up to the bullpen).
If a pitcher is in a groove and pitching well, I would take the first option. A pitcher can still be hitting his spots without striking batters which forces them to hit weak infield ground balls.
The wonders of the Roy Halladay school of pitching. Considering the vagaries of bullpennery, I would go less Ks so long as the defense behind the pitcher is good. If it is bad, contact = balls in play, balls in play = lost opportunities for outs, lost opportunities for outs = baserunners, baserunners = runs. And for a pitcher runs = bad thing.
by dannijd on Aug 29, 2010 11:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
With Blanton looking like a #2
our front 4 are beastly right now.
Oooof… Scary thought… Can we play 162 in CBP?
by dannijd on Aug 29, 2010 11:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
How about that game line? A fifth error for the Padres would have been sweet – 5-5-0 for the Phils, 0-5-4 for the Pads. It’s got to be one of the rarer game lines ever in MLB history.
Yes, the number alignment would have been a sweet arrangement. Even having four errors in a game by one team has to be pretty rare. In this case, combining it with no runs and five hits, etc. means that it might be a case for Tim Kurkjian. It might have been the first time that combination had ever occurred in major league history and warranted mention on Baseball Tonight.
by phillyinportland on Aug 29, 2010 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Until the 9th inning, the game line was 4-4-0 and 0-4-4, which would have been too cool not to do a little research about.
by David S. Cohen on Aug 29, 2010 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Way to go, Jayson Werth, fucking up everything. (sigh)
Too bad he’s not interested in being in Philadelphia anymore.
http://www.thegoodphight.com
To be fair to Jayson, Adrian Gonzalez deserves some blame too. Way to go Adrian.
by David S. Cohen on Aug 29, 2010 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I see Manny is now a White Sock, and not a moment too soon. It’s a pipe dream, but it would have been entertaining to see him on the Phillies (just not for $4.5 MM).
Well, Ibanez, against righties.
same age
higher SLG
higher ISO
Phils field Ramirez, Werth, Brown. Hoist pennant in October.
by Wet Luzinski on Aug 29, 2010 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions
sorry, it’s late, vs. lefties.
Phils field Ramirez, Victorino, Werth OR Ramirez, Werth Brown.
by Wet Luzinski on Aug 29, 2010 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions
odd that Ramirez’s lefty/right splits are not all that pronounced for his career.
And as for the money: two years of Baez still less than one month of Manny.
by Wet Luzinski on Aug 29, 2010 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Me too… Very happy to see him out of our league…
As for his final appearance in a Dodgers uniform, he kept it brief- a one pitch pinch hit ejection- not the way I would want to leave, but memorable just the same.
by dannijd on Aug 29, 2010 11:10 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
admiration needle for Jim Salisbury just went up:
When I suggested that Philadelphians would welcome a chance to escape their city in October, Jim Salisbury of CSNPhilly.com told me: “You’re always trashing Philadelphia. (Bleep) you. Philadelphia is a great city.”
Furthermore, it’s February when we’d welcome that chance to escape. October is usually great weather.
by Wet Luzinski on Aug 29, 2010 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions
answer me this
Why the heck did the Marlins take johnson out of that game??!! Their bullpen sucks and we know what the braves seem to do to sucky bullpens at the end of games. They are like sprinkled with ferry dust or something. Keep johnson in and phillies are almost guaranteed to be 1 game back. Stupid marlins.
From one of the posters at Fish Stripes
Josh Johnson’s career starts in Turner Field against the Braves: 6 starts, 1 win.
May 15, 2006: JJ leaves after 5 innings with 5-2 lead. Bullpen implodes. Marlins lose 11-8.
July 26, 2006: JJ leaves after 6 innings tied 4-4. Marlins lose 6-5.
Aug 27, 2008: JJ throws a complete game and wins, 4-1.
Sept 29, 2009: JJ leaves after 5 innings with 4-1 lead. Bullpen lets Braves tie it, but Marlins win 5-4.
July 2, 2010: JJ leaves after 6 innings with 1-1 tie. Marlins lose 4-3.
Aug 29, 2010: JJ leaves after 6 innings with 6-1 lead. Marlins lose 7-6.
1. His pitch count was over 100
2. Their bullpen does not, in fact, suck – it is actually above average
3. Annoying as it may be, helping us in the playoff race is not their #1 priority
The Marlins bullpen is one of the weakest parts of their team. Definitely not above average. I was not implying they would be TRYING to help us out. But, one would think they would want to win and their best chance to win was leave johnson in whether he was over 100 pitches or not.
by PhilsForever on Aug 30, 2010 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions
No, sorry, you’re wrong. Here are the Marlins bullpen SIERAs:
Badenhop – 3.70
Hensley – 3.07
Nunez – 2.97
Ohman – 2.73
Sanches – 4.87
Veras – 3.79
Those numbers are solid. You should try looking stuff up before you formulate opinions.
The Marlins goal of winning games is better served by pulling Johnson at a reasonable time in each of his starts even if the bullpen might blow a few of them, than it is by leaving him in for 120+ pitches every start so he can blow out his arm.
listen...
I don’t care about their sieras, the marlins have blown a ton of leads this year because of their bullpen, that is a fact. In fact Josh Johnson is tied in the nl for blown leads with 6. Also, he has 11 no decisions. Maybe it is just when Johnson is pitching, but they have blown quite a few leads for that pitching staff.
by PhilsForever on Aug 31, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
It was especially frustrating to watch it unfold after predicting in advance that it would happen.
Charlie made the exact same mistake last Sunday in the 6-0 win vs. Washington. Then on Monday Madson had to pitch again vs. Houston and he blew the lead, which might have been a coincidence but then again, maybe not.
While I think last Monday was a coincidence (there were 2 bunts and some poor umpiring involved, making me think that fatigue was less of a factor), I still am annoyed that he went with Madson. A 5 run lead in the ninth should be Romero/ Herndon / Bastardo territory, particularly considering that Madson had pitched in both of the prior two games.
by dannijd on Aug 30, 2010 10:23 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm thinking that
He’d had already warmed-up when it was 4-0, before Werth made it 5-0. Granted 4-0 is a significant defecit esp. in Petco Park however Madson because of his non arm related DL stint has the least mileage on his arm of the relievers who Manuel probably trusted.
36.2 Madson
46 Big Truck
56.1 Durbin
I’m not sure how many days in a row Madson pitched. If he had gone three, then that’s a different story. Anything more than three unless it’s a do or die stituation is unacceptable.
Yesterday was his third in a row.
by dannijd on Aug 30, 2010 7:53 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
then you warm two guys. Werth’s HR was the first ab in the inning, plenty of time for another RP to warm up!
Because Madson had gone 2 days in a row, warming him up prolly would have burned him. So in that regard you might as well use him. However, Durbin, I just remembered, had not pitched the day before and as one of those pitchers he trrusts, was the wiser choice than Madson.
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