Some Phillies Links For You, August 6, 2010: Pedro Speaks, Chooch Rakes, Grateful Sweeney
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Can they?
American Chronicle | Jim Ruppert: Schofields, Werth are in same club as Colemans
Wow what an interesting stzzzzzzzzzzz...
Ruiz keeps dialing up clutch hits as Phillies complete sweep in Florida
NOT EVEN COUNTING last night, Ruiz over the last 28 days: .329/.373/.529.
Braves to retire Glavine's No. 47
Retirement plaque to be four inches wider on each side in honor of Glavine's accomplishments on the mound.
Sweeney ecstatic to join contender
Sweeney has played with two teams with winning records in his career (2003 Royals, 2009 Mariners).
Phillies' Brown picked the right field to follow
Imagine how awful it would have been for him at University of Miami... as a star athlete on that campus. Brutal.
Baseball Prospectus | Ahead in the Count: The 2010 Trade Deadline
Matt Swartz raps at ya about the Trade Deadline (subscription required).
As Mets prepare for Phillies, chances to salvage season are slipping away | NJ.com
After all, the Mets lead the league with 12 walk-off losses. The bullpen ERA is 3.66, but the group’s expected fielding independent pitching (xFIP) mark — which measures the factors that pitchers alone control, like home runs and bases on balls — is more than half a run higher.
Consider me impressed that a mainstream writer is referencing xFIP. Now if only they'd adopt SIERA...
Pedro Martinez Going to Disney World, Then Maybe a Contender - NYTimes.com
The write-up is coming, I swear.
Braves Beat Giants Behind Jurrjens, Gonzalez and Hinske - Talking Chop
If you don't hate the Braves, then I hate you.
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@ the photo caption and the comment on the Glavine article.
Wait, the Royals had a winning record in 2003? That’s unpossible.
I can’t really be bad at Glavine, thanks to the absolute nutlog that he pooched out on Game 162 of 2007 vs. the Marlins.
http://www.thegoodphight.com
Ha…that Talking Chop link references The Foul…
Umpire Bob Davidson won the game for Philly tonight, as he called the game-winning hit from Gabby Sanchez foul. It was pretty darn obvious. Check ESPN at your own risk, because you’ll probably get mad. Really mad. The Fish ended up not scoring, and the Phillies won it in the 10th. Thanks, Bob. Go call some more balks or something, you a$$hole.
Methinks they’re starting to really worry…
Funny comment
BS Calls happen. Guess God is a Phillies fan. After all these years I thought he didn’t like us.
Don’t get cocky. The best way to make god laugh is to tell him that you’ve made plans.
Remember the Phitans
by RememberthePhitans on Aug 6, 2010 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions
You can! Hit the “actions” link and then you can rec comments.
by David S. Cohen on Aug 6, 2010 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Not from the mobile site. Dammit, SBN peeps!
by PhillyFriar on Aug 6, 2010 10:08 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
that call was so close I don’t think you can complain. What annoys me is that everyone points to the fact that it was fair after the bag, but that ball definitely took one odd hop, and I think it bounced foul before 3rd.
by Clyde Simmons on Aug 6, 2010 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions
It was foul right outside the batters box, hooked and bounced just inside the line at 3rd, then bounced foul again about 10 feet further down the line.
lol, I actually saw it fair outside the batters box, foul on the 2nd bounce, then fair again on the third, than foul on the fourth.
by Clyde Simmons on Aug 6, 2010 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Apparently Gaby Sanchez is the MC Escher of baseball.
by Cormican on Aug 6, 2010 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I went onto my MLB.tv to rewatch the bottom of the 9th with the Marlins crew. My God… awesome. They’re a horrible and partisan bunch of clowns anyway, so listening to their over-the-top reactions there actually made me laugh out loud.
by PhillyFriar on Aug 6, 2010 9:29 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I had to watch it with sound just because of the comments about the comments…def worth it, although I held back my laughter at work.
by Clyde Simmons on Aug 6, 2010 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions
The MLB Network analysts were not much better. Nor were the ESPN analysts.
Now, I actually do think that ball was fair. But the reasoning these guys were using was just so obviously, ridiculously wrong. WHERE A GROUND BALL LANDS AFTER IT GOES PAST THE BAG DOESN’T MATTER!!! WHAT MATTERS IS WHERE IT WAS WHEN IT CROSSES THE BAG!!! ARGH!!!
Agreed TP. I think the ball was fair too, but the Marlins’ announcers biggest reaction of outrage came when the replay showed the ball hitting fair AFTER THE BAG. That’s just idiotic.
by David S. Cohen on Aug 6, 2010 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Exactly. And they were all like, “How can Davidson make that call – he’s not even watching where the ball lands?!?!?” But WHERE THE BALL LANDS IS NOT THE QUESTION!!!! I’m not going to say it’s irrelevant, since I guess you can interpolate from it, but there’s no reason why Davidson should necessarily feel obligated to continue to follow a ground ball after it crosses the bag.
I was contemplating typing out the same thing but figured it would take too long on this damn phone.
Later in the 9th, the Fish announcers finally noted that it didn’t matter where the ball landed after the bag, but they did so as an afterthought.
by PhillyFriar on Aug 6, 2010 10:11 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
It’s rare that you hear two high-voice guys announce a game (in any sport) together. Usually, at least one guy has to be a deep-voice guy. I think this might be one reason why Wheels is paired with T-Mac rather than Franzke.
I suppose Andy Musser and Whitey were both high-voice guys though, and they worked together frequently.
Anyway, regardless of the pitch of their voices, the Marlins broadcasters suck.
After watching replays, Davidson insisted he made the correct call.
“I was right on top of it, and it was wide of the bag,” he said. “What the ball did when it went past me is irrelevant. … I understand that’s the winning run, but in my opinion it was foul.”
Baseball rules state that a ball is foul if it “bounds past first or third base on or over foul territory.” Davidson said the ball past third base in foul territory and it didn’t matter where it landed.
by Clyde Simmons on Aug 6, 2010 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh, and I have another pet peeve. When did the word “accountability” become such an idiotic buzzword? I’m all for the concept, but people have suddenly started to use it left and right in all sorts of inapt situations.
On MLB Network, some nitwit (I think it was Sean Casey) just kept going on and on and on and on and on and on about how “Davidson made a mistake, but just be accountable, Bob, don’t insist you were right.” THAT’S NOT WHAT “ACCOUNTABLE” MEANS, IDIOT!
That was Mr. Scab himself, Kevin Millar.
I wish MLBN or one of the many ESPN channels would feature an hour-long, weekly SABR-slanted program…basically baseball tonight, but with stats. I think it would be pretty great. That’s the only compromise I ask for if these networks insist on subjecting me to this non-stop parade of idiocy.
Pessimism of the intellect, optimism of the will.
It would air on ESPN Classic or ESPN U at 6 AM (eastern) on a Sunday morning
It would have no re-airs.
I think they should do some original programming for their online network (ESPN3.com) and this sounds perfect.
by SportingFanaticism on Aug 6, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
I do understand that the ball probably crossed the bag if it touched the foul line before the bag and then landed in fair territory after the bag. But you cannot say this conclusively. As we all know, baseballs do curve. It is possible that it curved around the bag. If there had been instant replay on that play, I don’t think the evidence would have been enough to overturn the call. It is strongly suggestive, but not conclusive.
Agreed. The camera angle wasn’t good enough. Davidson’s spot on the field was much better. Now, of course, he didn’t have instant replay and had to make a split second decision, but there’s no way to say from the camera angle that the ball didn’t curve around the bag. It was clearly doing something funny on that play to have bounced where it did.
by David S. Cohen on Aug 6, 2010 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions
my understanding of the fair/foul rule has always been as follows….
1) For a ball that has never touched the ground (and passes the base), fair/foul is determined by where it ultimately lands.
2) For a ball that does touch the ground prior to passing the base, a ball is foul if it passes the base in foul territory or comes to rest in foul territory, and is fair if it passes the base in fair territory, touches the base, or hops directly over the base (or any portion thereof) or comes to rest in fair territory.
3) A batted ball that richochets off the pitchers mound into foul territory is fair regardless of whether or not any fielder touches it before it enters foul territory.
Blizo – I didn’t know about number 3. Is that for any part of the pitchers’ mound? Fascinating! Thanks for teaching me something today!
by David S. Cohen on Aug 6, 2010 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions
sorry…I mistranslated…I meant the pitcher’s rubber (I was equating mound to rubber…but I realize they are in fact not actually the same thing).
That makes more sense to me. Thanks for the clarification.
by David S. Cohen on Aug 6, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I think that if a ball hits the pitcher’s rubber, but settles in foul territory it’s a foul ball. I think where the ball settles is determinative on an infield ball.
by Derekcarstairs on Aug 6, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
A ball that hits the first base bag or third base bag and then goes foul is a fair ball. I don’t think there is a special rule for the pitching rubber. If the ball hits the pitcher and goes foul, then it’s fair, of course.
by Derekcarstairs on Aug 6, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Stupid MLB rulebook is in a .pdf…so I’m going to write it verbatim.
Rule 2.00
“A fair ball is a batted ball that settles on fair ground between home and first base or between home and third base or that is on or over fair territory when bounding to the outfield past first or third base or that touches first, second, or third base, or that first fall on fair territory on or beyond first base or third base, or that while one or over fair territory touches the person of an umpire or player or that while over fair territory passes out of the playing field.
(posted those two out of sequence, my bad)
anyway..the key phrase there is “past first or third”. The interpretation is that includes anything past the line drawn from first to third, which the pitchers rubber is past.
I’ve googled it and found answers of both sorts…so maybe I am full of crap here….but that’s what i always thought, and have found answers agreeing, as well as ones that disagree.
FWIW, I don’t believe the pitchers rubber is past the imaginary line between the 1B and 3B bags. The pitchers rubber is 60.5 ft away, while the imaginary line is 90 * 2^0.5 / 2 = 63.6 ft away.
The pitcher’s rubber is definitely not past the imaginary line between first and third.
by Derekcarstairs on Aug 6, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I also don’t think the imaginary line is relevant.
by Derekcarstairs on Aug 6, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
This kinda related to the rule they have for indoor baseball where a ball that hits the ceiling in fair territory and then lands foul, isn’t it?
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Check it out – the first guy links to an MP3 of the radio call when Mike Schmidt hit the speaker on the roof of the Astrodome. Pretty neat.
Have any of them (TC and Fishstripes) considered
the fact that Davidson didn’t blow a two run lead in the ninth? Or that he wasn’t the one who gave up a HR to Chooch in the 10th (and nearly another to Francisco)?
It was probably a blown call. Close, but probably blown. Regardless, the Marlins have no one to blame but themselves, since they had ample chances to win the game before and afterward.
Nice to see Fanhouse has a measured, nonbiased take on the matter:
http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2010/08/05/umpire-bob-davidsons-blown-call-costs-marlins-victory/
Yep…they chose to focus on Davidson’s rep as a ‘bad ump’ as part of the reason for the blown call. Even ESPN’s bottom line on Sportscenter is mentioning that the Marlins got screwed.
by WanderingMoses on Aug 6, 2010 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions
my favorite is the typical angry yelling umpire pic they throw up followed by the last words of the article being a snarky “so is getting it right”
by Clyde Simmons on Aug 6, 2010 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Awesome link. I praise you, TP.
Remember the Phitans
by RememberthePhitans on Aug 6, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Before you teach those baby lawyers anything, TEACH THEM WHAT A FUCKING FOUL BALL IS!!!! ONLY YOU CAN SAVE THE FUTURE!!!!
That, and Judge Woodside’s saw about judges making shit up. That will serve them well in baseball and in the law.
Whew…
Remember the Phitans
by RememberthePhitans on Aug 6, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
what about this statement from the Florida manager:
“That was bad. That ball was a fair ball by six inches. He never even was looking at that play.”
Where was he looking exactly?
by Clyde Simmons on Aug 6, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
The fair-foul call
Anyone listening to the radio when this went down last night. I would love to have heard how Franzke and LA reacted to that. Obviously, T-Mac and Wheels were drab.
"It was almost like if Harry didn't call it, it wasn't real." - Jayson Stark
SB Nation
If you’ve been missing Utley, you’re missing Ruiz. What’s the triple slash been since he entered the upper echelon last July?
NOT EVEN COUNTING last night, Ruiz over the last 28 days: .329/.373/.529.
Counting last night, Ruiz over the last 370 days: .307/.410/.485 (.895 OPS)
(Since Aug 1 2009 — 131 games for Chooch, 463 PAs)
That’s awesome. Like, middle-of-the-order good.
And in a small-sample at least, he’s showing that he can maintain his OBP skillz not batting 8th.
http://www.thegoodphight.com
Bat him first. Imagine a .410 OBP at the top of this lineup….
by David S. Cohen on Aug 6, 2010 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Just curious… when was the last time any team had a regular leadoff hitter with a .400+ OBP? Nobody leaps to mind since Rickey but I’m sure I’m forgetting somebody.
Upon closer examination, the walk rate batting 7th is 10 BB/113 PA, and batting 8th it’s a much better 25 BB/141 PA. Obviously small sample size.
http://www.thegoodphight.com
A walk one out of every eight PA…ahhhhhh.
Remember the Phitans
by RememberthePhitans on Aug 6, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Re: Media outlet using xFIP
WC, small victories and one step at a time.
SIERA will come….it will come.
Jon Niese
Our opponent tonight. He is a pretty good pitcher (he completely shut us down in a game back in May, I believe), but interestingly, he has a reverse L/R split. I wonder if this means we’ll see both Ibanez and Brown tonight.
Johan Santana, who goes tomorrow, also has a reverse split.
Moneyball: The Movie
I enjoyed this article:
http://www.athleticsnation.com/2010/8/5/1607657/billy-beane-brad-pitt-optimistprime
Yeah. That’s pretty awesome. But Jonah Hill as DePodesta? Really???
Pessimism of the intellect, optimism of the will.
Seth Rogen is playing the green hornet – the world is totally upside down – the apatow ‘geek’ affect is going WAY too far
by SportingFanaticism on Aug 6, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
I think he can pull it of as well as Seth Rogen Super Hero :)
by SportingFanaticism on Aug 6, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I have tired of the Apatow geeks in movies. Rogen and Jason Segel are not leading actors. I like them in small doses.
Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est.
Segel claims to have finished second in a national slam dunk contest when he was in high school, so his geek credentials may be suspect.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/extramustard/03/17/jason.segel/index.html
Perhaps, but he is still not leading man material. He’s definitely got the beer gut former athlete style going.
Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est.
Technically he’s not a geek, he’s a freak, but you have to have seen the short lived brilliant apatow first foray into television to get the difference down :)
Segel is quite funny, he’s the second best character on The Barney Show.
Rogen is a leading actor, but in specific kinds of musics, Pineapple express was genius to me (and yes, franco was a freak as well)
by SportingFanaticism on Aug 6, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I have seen it and I loved “Freaks and Geeks,” but some actors are better at leading on television as opposed to film. Kiefer Sutherland on TV? Awesome. Film? Not so much.
That’s how I feel about Segel and to a lesser extent, Rogen. I don’t mind Rogen in the co-lead, like PE and Funny People. In Knocked Up he annoyed me to no end.
Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est.
Sorry, I think Keifer Sutherland pretty much sucks in both arenas, 24 made me vomit from it’s silliness and terribleness
by SportingFanaticism on Aug 6, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t like the show, either, but Kiefer was fine in the role. I just think he’s a much better fit for the small screen.
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I think keifers last good performance was the cowboy way
by SportingFanaticism on Aug 6, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow, that was a LONG time ago. The last movie I liked him in was “The Lost Boys,” even though he chewed the scenery like a madman.
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That was my point (though Lost Boys was before Cowboy Way and there is NOTHING bad allowed to be said about that movie – period)
by SportingFanaticism on Aug 6, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I loved the Lost Boys—you’ll get no complaints from me.
Anyone see that Whedon is directing “The Avengers”? My interest is piqued.
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Directing and writing
And yes Warner Bros screwed up when they fired him from the WW project
Cabin in the woods comes out first though
by SportingFanaticism on Aug 6, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
The Barney Show…so true.
I also thought Pineapple Express was genius. I never had a real opinion on John Franco but after seeing the job he did in P.E, to say I was pleasantly surprised was an understatement.
Looking forward to the Kevin Kolb era.
5-8-10...the day the Purdue Boilermakers basketball team won the 2011 NCAA Championship!!
THUG LIFE!
Looking forward to the Kevin Kolb era.
5-8-10...the day the Purdue Boilermakers basketball team won the 2011 NCAA Championship!!
THERE"s a guy who is funny but should NEVER be a lead, not even on an HBO mockumentary about the life of john rocker
by SportingFanaticism on Aug 6, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree…but Eastbown and Down is pretty hilarious.
Looking forward to the Kevin Kolb era.
5-8-10...the day the Purdue Boilermakers basketball team won the 2011 NCAA Championship!!
Well see, it’s one of those taste things, i don’t like it
i don’t like Curb either…Curb has too much cringeworthy in it and to me that’s not funny (plus, you know, watching Larry David just play himself and realizing what a douche he is isn’t funny to me either)
by SportingFanaticism on Aug 6, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t like anything Larry David has ever done, and that includes (I know, I’ll take my lashings) Seinfeld. Can’t stand it.
I don’t like “The Office,” either.
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I think it was a non-sequiter on your part, but Larry David didn’t have anything to do with The Office.
Shane Victorino update
“I’m trying,” he said when asked if he’ll be ready by next Thursday. “It might be a little more. Within that next week, hopefully, if everything goes accordingly, which things are.”
The coverage of this whole call at third has devolved into full-blown meme. Various media outlets are treated it as an obviously blown call that will need a full FBI/DOJ investigation and are making MLB out to be a big criminal for its complicity in refusing to use replay.
But as many here have already pointed out, there was nothing obvious about the call when looking at the replay! ESPN has already beaten this one into the ground, as per its specialty, per Favre, A-Rod, etc.
is it really being beaten into the ground, or are you just watching ESPNews on a loop and noticing it every half hour?
Don’t become oversensitive to it, it’s just a goofy play and will be out of memory by tomorrow.
Wouldn’t know….I don’t ever listen to them.
by WanderingMoses on Aug 6, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
For the last 30-45 minutes they talked about football…one cohost was marcellus wiley – they all predict the raiders will go 9-7
First Take did an ‘immediate’ first and 10 about it – was very important -sadly no skip today – the rational radio voice from ESPN LA said it wasn’t a bad call and that the ump got it right – the man who works for the WWL direct (Casillias) did his best skip imitation.
Man, being out of market and needing sports news SUCKS
by SportingFanaticism on Aug 6, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Nah, not being oversensitive. This was just one hour of live SC. They spent the first 10 minutes talking about it – thinking to myself: “shouldn’t you all be fellating Brett Favre right now?”
by WanderingMoses on Aug 6, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
You’re being over sensitive if you care. The call was made, the phillies won. Moving on
by SportingFanaticism on Aug 6, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Every time I watch ESPN these days, I think of this climactic scene from Jackie Brown. (h/t to ajay, who reminded me of it in a gamethread recently)
One of Tarantino’s more underrated films in my opinion. Just re-watched it the other day.
Pessimism of the intellect, optimism of the will.
It’s hard to pick an under rated film of his, most of them are grossly over rated in my opinion
by SportingFanaticism on Aug 6, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes, I believe Tarantino in an over rate ‘auteur’ whose best movies are stolen from asian films that most people haven’t seen.
I also think personally that he’s a total douche who buys into his own hype
I apologize for not agreeing with you, but if it help, I usually don’t agree with you
by SportingFanaticism on Aug 6, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Inglourious Basterds was pretty awesome though, admit it.
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I haven’t seen it…I’ll wait until it’s on cable.
I have special hatred for Eli Roth who is so over hyped it’s ridiculous, letting him act just is worse
Though I believe Brad Pitt is one of the finest actors of his generation
by SportingFanaticism on Aug 6, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Eli Roth’s role is pretty small, and I haven’t heard much of the hype for him as a director, let alone an actor.
Pessimism of the intellect, optimism of the will.
The vociferous love in certain geek circles for his brand of splatter porn is ridiculous. I watched 10 minutes of the first hostel and shut it off and wondered why it just wasn’t called ‘snuff film’
by SportingFanaticism on Aug 6, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
What? You’re not interested in seeing “Saw 20”? /rolls eyes
Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est.
I actually found the first saw a nice movie, and I like the guy they hired to play jigsaw, but again, nice idea and now just coming up with new ideas to gross people out.
by SportingFanaticism on Aug 6, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
The earliest Saws are the best. The ones coming out now are just trash
"The Tree of Liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants"
~Thomas Jefferson
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Aug 6, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Haven’t really seen much of this “vociferous love.” Guess I don’t spend enough time around geeks. Moreover, I have no real use for those kind of gore for gore’s sake films. If I wanted to see that, I’d look at AP pictures of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
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You don’t read aintitcool much do you?
by SportingFanaticism on Aug 6, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Couldn’t stand the film. I kept on waiting for something to happen and when it did I felt duped. My opinion is in the minority
"The Tree of Liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants"
~Thomas Jefferson
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Aug 6, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Killing Hitler doesn’t qualify as something happening? C’mon son!
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It does! Watching it I sort of just felt like it was a self admonishment film, where Tarantino takes a war movie and Tarantino’s it up. Killing Goebbels is more than alright in my book, but Bastards came out during other movies like Valkyrie and the other film with Liev Schreiber as Eastern European Jews hiding and using Guerilla tactics against the Germans. I’d go and look it up, but I’m sure you know what it is
"The Tree of Liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants"
~Thomas Jefferson
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Aug 6, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Bam, quality movie
"The Tree of Liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants"
~Thomas Jefferson
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Aug 6, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Defiance. I have seen all three. I enjoyed them all. But it really isn’t fair to compare the two serious ones—based on fact—with Tarantino’s historical fiction.
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And it’s not fair to include Valkyrie cause Tom Cruise is in it so it suffers immediately
by SportingFanaticism on Aug 6, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Did you ever watch it though? Crazy religion aside, he plays the part beautifully. The movie as a whole does the topic justice
"The Tree of Liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants"
~Thomas Jefferson
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Aug 6, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m not a huge fan of holocaust movies/war movies in general
by SportingFanaticism on Aug 6, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Valkyrie falls into a different genre. It’s not really a war movie per se, it’s set during a war, but you never see the Germans fight the allies, outside of the first 20 or so minutes set in North Africa. The movie looks more into the infrastructure of the Nazi regime, and how shitty their house of cards truly was
"The Tree of Liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants"
~Thomas Jefferson
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Aug 6, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I actually think he’s a talented actor and I agree with CCB, he gave a wonderfully subtle performance in Valkyrie.
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There are things he’s good in – but him playing a german when i know he can’t do an even remotely believable accent is hard for me
by SportingFanaticism on Aug 6, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
He’s awesome in Magnolia – and tropic thunder
by SportingFanaticism on Aug 6, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
And few good men
but in all 3 he had genius scripts
by SportingFanaticism on Aug 6, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
You’re forgetting Collateral (give it a try)
"The Tree of Liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants"
~Thomas Jefferson
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Aug 6, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Michael Mann movies tend to drag on and make me sleepy – even ones i like (like heat)
by SportingFanaticism on Aug 6, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Heat was rough. I remember trying to stay awake through it. Didn’t feel the same about Collateral though, probably because it was a roll that Tom Cruise had never done before
"The Tree of Liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants"
~Thomas Jefferson
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Aug 6, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
BTW, phatj is gonna be mad at us. Yesterday he said the political discussion made it too hard to find the baseball discussion, today it’s movies.
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There’s only so much to be said about Brad Lidge losing that lovin feeling, the injuries in the lineup, Dom Brown’s puzzling allergic reaction to a walk, Halladay’s perfection, our shitty bullpen etc. Gets boring after awhile
"The Tree of Liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants"
~Thomas Jefferson
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Aug 6, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Was Dom Brown allergic to walks in the minors?
by SportingFanaticism on Aug 6, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
So it might just be an adjustment thing or pressing since he was ‘rushed’ up?
by SportingFanaticism on Aug 6, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Lots of people get mad at me, i’m ok with it
by SportingFanaticism on Aug 6, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
:)
I have to admit that movie discussion doesn’t annoy me as much (because I like movies, whereas talking about politics mostly just makes me angry) but to be consistent, I should say that this has the same effect of concealing the baseball talk.
Maybe we should have a daily off-topic thread.
This is probably not a bad idea, but I doubt the bosses would go for it.
Pessimism of the intellect, optimism of the will.
The only way I’m comparing them is that they came out during the same time and were set during the same time period and relatively the same issues. As movies they are different, but it’s because they were close to eachother (Right when Bastards went to theaters, both of these were released on DVD)
"The Tree of Liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants"
~Thomas Jefferson
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Aug 6, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Incidentally, have you ever seen the movie that the now famous angry Hitler internet meme comes from? It’s called Downfall, and it’s really interesting. Also, The Counterfeiters and Conspiracy are two must-sees if you like these kinds of films.
Pessimism of the intellect, optimism of the will.
If you liked Conspiracy (HBO i believe) there’s a docu called paragraph 175 you shoudl chekc out
by SportingFanaticism on Aug 6, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
If I could understand German, I definitely would. It seems like a fantastic movie that I’ve been meaning to see, but a movie like that I think has more meaning if you can understand the context in which the language is spoken, and not the translation into English and subtitled
"The Tree of Liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants"
~Thomas Jefferson
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Aug 6, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Hm. I don’t understand German, and while I guess there is always a little lost in translation, I still felt like I “got it” when it was over. Same with The Counterfeiters, which is also subtitled (and one of my favorite films period).
Pessimism of the intellect, optimism of the will.
Have you seen The Lives of Others? Just on the topic of German language films, that’s a great one. If you haven’t seen it, it’s a must see. One of my favorite movies.
by FearTheTurtIe on Aug 6, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Froiegn Films with a WW2 ‘bent’ that should be seen
Garden of the Finzi Contini is vital
by SportingFanaticism on Aug 6, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Come And See should also be seen, in my opinion. No pun intended.
by FearTheTurtIe on Aug 6, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I understand German fluently and mostly speak it, and not much is lost in translation in German films than say, Chinese/Japanese films in my opinion. There aren’t many concepts, vocabulary, etc. in German that aren’t translatable into English, since English is itself a primarily Germanic language. I think it is different for non-Western (and to a lesser extent non-Germanic) languages. I think more is lost in translation between these languages and English. What is lost, I believe, stems from us not being German. My parents and grandparents get more out of these movies then I do, and they mean more to them. That said, I actually like foreign film over American a lot of the time.
by FearTheTurtIe on Aug 6, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, he’s ripped off some obscure movies here and there, but that isn’t uncommon. As far as him buying his own hype. He does, I don’t care. Mel Gibson’s an unlikeable douche, but I can watch and enjoy damn near every movie he’s ever done. I don’t really care how likable someone is.
Mel Gibson’s an unlikeable douche, but I can watch and enjoy damn near every movie he’s ever done. I don’t really care how likable someone is.
Speaking of the ‘negative rec’ button, most of his movies are awful to me
by SportingFanaticism on Aug 6, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, we’ll agree to disagree on films and TV shows (and from the sounds of it most everything else). No biggie.
I also dug half of the Lethal Weapons, two thirds of the Mad Max, Conspiracy Theory, Ransom and Bird on a Wire (I thought Apocalypto was pretty good, but a little over the top in spots). Signs sucked.
Signs wasn’t his fault, Shyamalan was a one trick pony (two if you count unbreakable) and has been living off it for years now.
I did like Conspiracy theory, but patrick stewart was the best part of that (and the lauryn hill song)
by SportingFanaticism on Aug 6, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
The water? You mean like oxygen killing the aliens in war of the worlds :)
I preferred unbreakable to signs as well – his one trick i was referring to was the sixth sense
unbreakable was probably the best original super hero screenplay in a long time
by SportingFanaticism on Aug 6, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah that was awful.
“we’re aliens. We dissolve in water. Let’s invade a planet hat’s 70% water.”
Guess Darwinism didn’t extend past the trophosphere.
I hope a cheesy syndicated tv show is spawned by signs like what happened with war of the worlds
by SportingFanaticism on Aug 6, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Or big budget blockbuster remake that sucks but is directed by a ‘genius’ director?
by SportingFanaticism on Aug 6, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t consider chicken run a gibson movie – i consider chicken run a movie in which gibsons voice was used but it would have been just as good with nmerous other voices.
Gibson movies are many of what Cormican said below
by SportingFanaticism on Aug 6, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
They just called the call obviously wrong on Baseball Tonight. They used the mark in the ground after the ball passed the bag as evidence that the call was wrong. Are you kidding me? How can EVERYONE be this stupid??
by FearTheTurtIe on Aug 6, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
How can EVERYONE be this stupid??
New to this country?
by SportingFanaticism on Aug 6, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
adventures in small sample size
Check this out: Mike Zagurski’s July split for xFIP was -2.20 (on account of having struck out every batter he retired). I didn’t know it was even possible to have a negative number.
Sure, I realize Zagurski is not left-handed-reliever-Jesus, but he almost HAS to be better than JC “BB/9 > 8” Romero. Isn’t the big knock on Bastardo that he walks too many guys? He can’t be worse than JC.
I agree, but do you actually believe Zagurski and/or Bastardo are worse than Romero?
Pessimism of the intellect, optimism of the will.
Valid!
for the record, Contreras is the way to go, and the best option in the bullpen
what I believe anyway
"The Tree of Liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants"
~Thomas Jefferson
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Aug 6, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I was mainly responding to the statement that “Zagurski HAS to be better than JC.” It’s not that I necessarily think Zagurski is clearly worse, just that I don’t think Romero is clearly worse either. In any event, it’s very difficult to compare them because Zagurski is just a very different animal – he has a reverse split.
I think Bastardo has the potential to be an absolute lights-out middle reliever. His main issue seems to be durability, but that is not a small concern. But I wasn’t really talking about him.
Ideally, I’d like to keep Romero around next year if he’ll agree to a lower salary, and also keep at least one of the other two on the roster. The benefit of having Romero is that he has a pretty high floor. He’s unlikely to s**t the bed completely against lefties. Bastardo has a much higher ceiling but also a much lower floor than Romero. Zagurski is just kinda weird. I wouldn’t want to depend on Bastardo + Zagurski as my only two lefties, even though I think they both have ability.
Not just making a joke here, but given Wade’s enduring love for both former Phillies and overhyped middle relievers, I expect to see Romero in an Astros uni this time next year.
I know, but wasn’t Feliz also a Gillick guy? It would still feed into Wade’s vice for middle relievers.
He was, but the Feliz signing is in a different category than, say, Brandon Lyon. It was just a 1-year stopgap sort of contract.
Wade obviously has big problems with middle reliever contracts in general, but I don’t think there’s any reason to expect that he’d be more vulnerable than he otherwise would just because a particular reliever is an ex-Phillie, especially where he wasn’t a Wade guy.
Why Feliz though? There were other equally meh stop gaps available. Wade spent what 25-30 years with the Phillies in various roles, he knows how the team works and may have a certain level of trust that if the Phils had the player, then he is also an Ed Wade type player. I don’t know I’m spitballing and going nuts with real life work here, so this isn’t particularly well thought out.
So for every 9 innings he’s on the mound, the other team has to let Zagurski’s team score 2.20? Or would you require the other team to take 2.20 runs off of its own run total?
by David S. Cohen on Aug 6, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I could have sworn baseball games were determined by the roll of a 20-sided die.
by David S. Cohen on Aug 6, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I always liked the four sided myself, just very cool design
by SportingFanaticism on Aug 6, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
stirring things up
Nothing short of a sweep and ending the Mets season over the next three days will be considered a success IMO.
Looking forward to the Kevin Kolb era.
5-8-10...the day the Purdue Boilermakers basketball team won the 2011 NCAA Championship!!
Well, then prepare to be disappointed. What is wrong with 2 of 3?
Pessimism of the intellect, optimism of the will.
I’ll gladly take 2 of 3. But a sweep would be much better.
Looking forward to the Kevin Kolb era.
5-8-10...the day the Purdue Boilermakers basketball team won the 2011 NCAA Championship!!
I’d take 2 million dollars, but 3 million would be much better.
Pessimism of the intellect, optimism of the will.
Yes I do, but since they did us no favors when they faced the Braves, I think it’s only fair that the Phillies return the favor.
The Braves and their fans will get theirs soon enough.
Looking forward to the Kevin Kolb era.
5-8-10...the day the Purdue Boilermakers basketball team won the 2011 NCAA Championship!!
Sorry, couldn’t help myself! It’s after lunch on a Friday and I thought we could use a little extra vitriol around here…
I really hope they come over here to educate us about baseball, so that we in turn can teach them about soap and hygiene, a la Andy Kaufman…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kr4rnZEjX9g
http://www.thegoodphight.com
Phillies fans are front runners? That really annoyed me
by FearTheTurtIe on Aug 6, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Not sure what is worse…being front runners, or seeing a Braves stadium 3/4’s empty when their first place team is facing the wild card leading Giants, with two time Cy Young award winner on the mound?
Looking forward to the Kevin Kolb era.
5-8-10...the day the Purdue Boilermakers basketball team won the 2011 NCAA Championship!!
Final proof that Braves fans aren't front runners
They don’t show up no matter how good the team is.
(HATE HATE HATE)
Almost every writer/talking head that ESPN interviews/uses as a commentator “likes the way the Braves are playing.” Of course. Someone also referred to the Phillies as “treading water”, since I guess gaining 6 games in the division qualifies as that.
The Braves are a trendy pick. They’re a change of pace from the Big Red Machine 2.0
"The Tree of Liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants"
~Thomas Jefferson
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Aug 6, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
P.S – Kurkijian is a fucking idiot who looks at the overall picture. Keeping in mind we’ve won 12/14 games (which, is not treading water to say the least), and half of these games have been without Howard, most without our other starters. In other words, what else can you expect from a ESPN baseball writer who looks at the overall standings and sees a 2 game lead. Because ya know, we haven’t won the NL pennant 2 years in a row, so we obviously know nothing about winning
"The Tree of Liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants"
~Thomas Jefferson
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Aug 6, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Like national pundits of all varieties, not just in sports, Kurkjian is exceedingly lazy and makes a lot of unwarranted assumptions.
i said this in anger because I just saw the Kurkijian piece and I couldn’t believe what he was saying. I think I should just stick to Baseball tonight where Krukky is a homer
"The Tree of Liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants"
~Thomas Jefferson
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Aug 6, 2010 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
What I have learned in 11 years in the sports business is that the dumbest guys in the room are always the media guys. Some do a decent job of reporting, most just spew opinions. And those opinions change more often than they brush their teeth. So what the media was saying was of zero impact or influence on what i was going to do. Listening to the media only increases your odds of failing at whatever you are doing. So I ignore them.
by SportingFanaticism on Aug 6, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
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