The Abyss Stares Back: Phillies 6, Mets 5
by dajafi on Aug 8, 2010 4:45 PM EDT
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PrintThis would have been a tough one to stomach: leading the Mets 6-2, Roy Halladay cruising, an opponent that hadn't won back to back games since June 22-23, is hopeless on the road and has come to the brink of irrelevance in the playoff race. But the Phillies edged right up to that nightmare, as the usually reliable Doc surrendered a run in the sixth and two more in the seventh, the second on Chris Carter's pinch-hit RBI double.
With one out and the lead down to 6-5, Doc pitched around Jose Reyes, who already had two doubles on the day and might have had a triple to go with them were it not for a great defensive play by Ross Gload. Angel Pagan came up with men on first and second, and flied out to center; Halladay then extricated himself by striking out the scuffling Carlos Beltran.
The Phillies offense, having pushed runs across in only two of their previous forty-nine innings against the Mets, roughed up R.A. Dickey early on. Jayson Werth cut a 2-0 deficit in half with a wind-blown solo homer in the second inning. In the third, Jimmy Rollins blooped a double with one out, Reyes bobbled a hard grounder from Placido Polanco, and Gload tied the game with a single to left as Rollins just eluded Josh Thole's tag at home. Raul Ibanez followed with a three-run homer to center that stretched his hitting streak to 15 games and put the Phils up 5-2. Werth then doubled and scored two batters later on Brian Schneider's RBI single.
Halladay, so often superb in defeat this season, was something less than that in victory today. As usual, though, he was able to bear down when trouble loomed. After Reyes doubled to start the sixth and scored on Pagan's single, Halladay struck out Beltran and Wright, then got a groundout from Ike Davis. The Beltran strikeout in the seventh was the end of his afternoon, which saw the Mets put up two-spots in Roy's first and last innings but also featured ten Ks in all, including three of Wright. Ryan Madson worked a 1-2-3 eighth inning, and Brad Lidge bounced back after allowing a leadoff single to Thole by retiring Ruben Tejada, Carter and Reyes to end it.
With the Braves victorious again over the Giants in Atlanta, the Phils remain two games back in the NL East but now trail San Fran by just a half-game in the wild-card standings. After an off-day tomorrow, they'll host the Dodgers for three at home this week.
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The SNY announcing crew (who I normally don’t mind) brayed on and on about how nice it was to see the Mets ‘show fight’ in them.
by WanderingMoses on Aug 8, 2010 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah....
…how the Self-Described Mighty have fallen.
by EastFallowfield on Aug 8, 2010 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Twitter is all a-twittering that Mayberry is being optioned back to Lehigh. Pitcher is supposedly coming up.
It's apparently official
The Phillies optioned OF John Mayberry after Sunday’s game. Phillies GM Ruben Amaro Jr. said the team will make a corresponding move on Tuesday
(Source: AP)
What I hope is that they bring up Mathieson or Bastardo and then either DL Romero or DFA Baez when Howard or Victorino are ready.
(For those who want to DFA Dobbs, once again this can’t happen until Utley comes back since they have no other backup for 2nd/3rd/SS).
Yes I am old. I remember the Phils good old days and their bad old days. Course, the good old days I'm thinking of were in 2009.
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Dobbs isn’t going anywhere untill Chase gets back however, the Day he’s activated I wouldn’t hold my breath waiting on the next time I see Dobbs in a Phillies uniform.
Hey Dez, it's 2am do you know where your mother is?
by sowhatifitisasportste on Aug 8, 2010 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Be careful what you say- the injury carosel rubs in strange ways!
by dannijd on Aug 9, 2010 3:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
After the last out of the bottom of the eighth, I’d rather you take the roster spot than effin useless Dobbs.
Hmmmm…..I do play 2nd base mediocrely. Don’t hit, don’t run fast. Doesn’t sound that much worse than Dobbs, huh? Plus, given that I’m slightly older than Moyer, there would be some Eddie Gaedel-style marketing opportunities (though I’m not that short).
Sign me up! :-))
Yes I am old. I remember the Phils good old days and their bad old days. Course, the good old days I'm thinking of were in 2009.
Homer's Epics: An Odyssey for the Salary Cap, The Quest For the Goalie Grail
Put me in…I am younger than Dobbs, I am a switch hitter, but I can’t play second since I throw left handed.
by WanderingMoses on Aug 8, 2010 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I would venture a guess of Bastardo, especially since Romero has been useless in any situation other than Lefties, but only when bases are empty.
by WanderingMoses on Aug 8, 2010 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Hasn’t been said yet, but this was an ideal game for the Blackberry Warz. So much back and forth and ripe gloating moments — I can’t help but expect that TGP acquitted itself well.
Eh. They seemed like pretty nice guys, and we’re not big trash-talkers.
I might not be real good for that sort of thing, because I either don’t truly hate the opposition (Mets) or hate them beyond a point at which I could even be civil (Braves). Maybe if were the Marlins, a team with a half-dozen players I detest yet who collectively don’t bother me all that much, I could get into a decent trash-talking mode.
I was in the same position. Never really got testy, we were all level-headed, and I’m also not much of a kick-them-while-they’re-down type.
They seemed amused by our total lack of faith in the bullpen.
http://www.thegoodphight.com
They have not seen it recently, have they?
by dannijd on Aug 8, 2010 9:47 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Further, I think it’s hard to be a credible pro-Phillies or pro-Mets shit-talker. Both teams’ histories are so moribund that it would inevitably become “OH YEAH WELL YOU SUCK WORSE!” and no one wants that.
http://www.thegoodphight.com
In essence I think the term that best describes the Mets-Phillies fan interactions is “frenemies”
At least we can all agree the Braves suck.
"I remember being three and I wanted to be a baseball player, that's all I ever really wanted to be. That and Spider Man." -Raul Ibanez
by Jose and the Contrarians on Aug 8, 2010 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I fear people here will be disappointed in me, but they were actually nice guys. No real opportunity presented itself to talk smack. The transcript should nonetheless be entertaining.
If I’ve learned anything, it’s that us Phillies and Mets fans aren’t that different. Must be a northeast thing. Braves fans, on the other hand, well screw them.
Pessimism of the intellect, optimism of the will.
Actually, that makes sense. I was pretty pleased to find that the game chat would be w/ Amazin Avenue from the outset. I’ve always thought they had a pretty solid, funny style in their write-ups, as opposed to Talking Chop, which always struck me as arrogant. Sounds like it’s a good read regardless of animosity or a lack thereof. :)
I love the poetry in their write-ups- a favorite from this past week ended “Tonight, they got lapped by a one-legged horse.” Mega points for creativity.
by dannijd on Aug 9, 2010 3:10 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
What’s terribly strange about this game is Halladay “struggled” in allowing 5 ER, but he also went 7 IP, with 10K and 1 BB. Weirdest struggle start I’ve ever seen, that’s for sure.
"I remember being three and I wanted to be a baseball player, that's all I ever really wanted to be. That and Spider Man." -Raul Ibanez
by Jose and the Contrarians on Aug 8, 2010 5:59 PM EDT reply actions
The BABIP Fairies had it in for him today. Luckily Roy is just too good.
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At least the BABIP Fairies had it in for Dickey with a vengeance. I think I singlehandedly scarred a group of children for life in my celebration when he was pulled.
"I remember being three and I wanted to be a baseball player, that's all I ever really wanted to be. That and Spider Man." -Raul Ibanez
by Jose and the Contrarians on Aug 8, 2010 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Good news: looks like we’re going to miss Santana next weekend. Bad news: we’re getting Billingsley, Kershaw and Padilla in the Dodgers series. I’ll be more than happy with a 4-2 week.
And they get Hamels, Oswalt, and Blanton. I wouldn’t say we’re outclassed in the arms race here.
"I remember being three and I wanted to be a baseball player, that's all I ever really wanted to be. That and Spider Man." -Raul Ibanez
by Jose and the Contrarians on Aug 8, 2010 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Can’t be Hamels he pitched yesterday. Isn’t it Oswalt, Kendrick, and Blanton
I wasn't even a year old but I stayed up to be outside the Vet with my Dad and Mom when the Phillies won the World Series 1980.
by Christopher A on Aug 8, 2010 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Why were you happy— with the way things were going, I wanted Dickey to pitch a complete game!
by dannijd on Aug 8, 2010 9:58 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He did struggle some though. His cutter wasn’t all that good, and his curveball wasn’t getting the whiffs it usually did. A long way from terrible, though.
Definitely— kind of makes up for at least one game where his “A” game showed up and our offense didn’t.
by dannijd on Aug 8, 2010 9:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
His FIP was under one, I believe.
From CBS:
111 PC, 7 INN, 9 HA, BBI, 10 K, 5 ER, W, 0.771 FIP
TMAir had Halladay and Frasor, and all Frasor did was:
137 PC, 9 INN, HA, 2 BBI, 17 K, W, 0.089 FIP, QS
Sorry, Doc, no QS for you, you loser. What a horrible pitcher. Geez…can’t even deliver a QS…
Remember the Phitans
by RememberthePhitans on Aug 8, 2010 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I have no idea why I confused the two.
Remember the Phitans
by RememberthePhitans on Aug 8, 2010 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions
It wasn’t like the SNation headline was to the immediate right of the box as I typed, either. Self-facepalm/fail.
Remember the Phitans
by RememberthePhitans on Aug 8, 2010 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Lol… You sound like my mom (only I think she meant it)
by dannijd on Aug 8, 2010 11:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Am I reading this right?
We’re only .5 games back from the WC and, 2.5 back from the best record in the NL? After how bad this team played this summer they are still within striking distance and with the moral boost from Howard, Utley & Vic. coming back, that’s unbelievable.
Hey Dez, it's 2am do you know where your mother is?
by sowhatifitisasportste on Aug 8, 2010 7:39 PM EDT reply actions
So I missed the game. Was in Baltimore for an Orioles/White Sox game(wife’s family are Orioles fans). Decent game, pretty hot day but all in all pretty good. It was so weird being at a game that wasn’t totally sold our or damn close to it. I think they said the paid attendance was slightly over 18,000, which is about 37% capacity but there was probably a lot closer to 12,000 people there. It’s sad to see because Camden Yards is such a great park, I have never had a bad time there.
Anyway…aside from Doc’s box score, which, looks decent but not great, how did he actually look? More specifically the 7th inning…should Charlie have yanked him earlier in the inning rather than letting him finish it out? I guess when your options are a tired Doc or a rested pen, you go with a tired Doc, can’t say I totally blame him. It seems, again from the box score only that Doc had pretty good control based on his K/BB numbers but that doesn’t always tell the story. Anyone want to fill me in?
Thanks.
Looking forward to the Kevin Kolb era.
5-8-10...the day the Purdue Boilermakers basketball team won the 2011 NCAA Championship!!
“wife’s family are Orioles fans” That sucks. They need to find a way to restructure that ALEast.
Hey Dez, it's 2am do you know where your mother is?
by sowhatifitisasportste on Aug 8, 2010 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions
If the Rays can come out of it, the Os can.
"I'm colonel cool! And I'm the captain on this rocket to the stars!"
The Rays have a strategy, the O’s, I am not so sure of…at least the O’s have a stadium that people want to go to, sadly they also have a product that apparently no one cares about.
Looking forward to the Kevin Kolb era.
5-8-10...the day the Purdue Boilermakers basketball team won the 2011 NCAA Championship!!
Right on every count. People here around Baltimore just don’t give two shits. They want to know when the Ravens start playing.
by WanderingMoses on Aug 8, 2010 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I remember when I was like that; Phillies were the Methadone to the Eagles. Then they made the 07 charge late in the season and I thought this team has a chance to be good for a long time.
Hey Dez, it's 2am do you know where your mother is?
by sowhatifitisasportste on Aug 8, 2010 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I can go a little farther than that- my college years were spent at Temple in the Vet’s final years in operation. Not only was I not hugely into baseball, but by September, I was ready for baseball season to be over with— I did not like going to games at Franklin Field— it was much better to march at the Vet.
by dannijd on Aug 8, 2010 11:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
One of the better stadia in all o MLB. I had it ranked #1 till I went to PNC about two weeks ago. Pads v. Pirates. WC always hided me for putting Camden #1, and I agree, having finally been to PNC. What a gorgeous, gorgeous stadium.
I did the midatlantic stadium tour by accident this summer — I’ve been to CBP, the Nats place, Camden, and PNC:
1. PNC
2. Camden
3. CBP
4. Nats thing
Each has merits, but the short answer is above. I would go to PNC to see any team play. I’d go to see the Pirates play the O’s in interleague. I can’t really put my finger on it, but it is just perfect.
Remember the Phitans
by RememberthePhitans on Aug 8, 2010 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope they get a decent team in Pitt at some point. If their fans embrace the pirates even a little bit like they support the Steelers, along with that ballpark they could have a 100mil payroll someday. Its too bad I don’t see it happening anytime soon, aside from Pedro Alvarez and McCutchen, they have absolutely nobody.
But they have animated pierogies…isn’t that worth something?
Remember the Phitans
by RememberthePhitans on Aug 8, 2010 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Why do people always say the Orioles and Pirates stadiums are so great? Would like to know
"Bills everywhere, trill everything, and Drake just stand for Do Right And Kill Everything..."
Have you been to either? Both are laid out very well, easy to walk through without having to figure out where you are going. Baltimore is right downtown yet traffic really is not a problem. Pittsburgh is over the bridges and again, traffic is no issue, not to mention an absolute gorgeous view of the river and Pittsburgh.
Looking forward to the Kevin Kolb era.
5-8-10...the day the Purdue Boilermakers basketball team won the 2011 NCAA Championship!!
I’ve thought about doing a post on this, but I really haven’t been able to quantify it. I hate to leave it up to a certain je ne sais quoi, but it might just be that, at least to my uneducated design eye. I’m Potter Stewart, when it comes to stadia (I know “it” when I see it), but I can’t tell you the design criteria that make “it” happen. They are just hot stadia.
Remember the Phitans
by RememberthePhitans on Aug 9, 2010 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions
The BABIP monster showed his face. Doc beared down and got the last 2 outs when he really needed to.
A contagion
Twice in one week. Yoi.
Remember the Phitans
by RememberthePhitans on Aug 8, 2010 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions
From the AP game recap
"He started pounding the strike zone," said David Wright, who struck out three times against Halladay. "Then when we had guys on, he bared down and got it done. You figure when you get to him like that, you have a chance."
Jesus
It really is a disease.
At least “bared” is an actual word.
Apparently David Wright and the AP author wanted Doc to become an exhibitionist.
by WanderingMoses on Aug 9, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
He had some fluky bad BABIP luck in the 1st, but the rallies in the 6th and 7th were on hard hit balls. He got a bit too much plate toward the end of his day, but as noted he bore down to minimize the damage both innings.
by dajafi on Aug 8, 2010 9:36 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
anyone else here
think that Halladay actually throws too many strikes?? His control is so good and he can throw a strike whenever he needs to that I think he would be even better if he threw more balls off the plate. I have said this about Hamels as well and now seeing Doc pitch this year I think its true with him…
curious to what others think?
and for the record
I would still take Halladay over Lee if I had to choose between the 2.
by PSUcup1 on Aug 8, 2010 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1 for the Halladay > Lee:
Doc throwing strikes too often? His swing and miss rate is great, and he can freeze hitters however, I would like to see more strikes thrown when the count is 0-2 or 1-2 on the first 3 pitches. Insted of running up his PC trying to get someone to swing at a ball out off the zone.
Hey Dez, it's 2am do you know where your mother is?
by sowhatifitisasportste on Aug 8, 2010 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Since I can’t take it back I’ll correct myself. Doc’s the best pitcher in baseball. His ERA is under 2.5 and has been there all season. He’s one of the top 3 for the Cy Young whatever he’s doing must be working so let him do his thing.
Hey Dez, it's 2am do you know where your mother is?
by sowhatifitisasportste on Aug 8, 2010 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions
see to me it seems
as if I would rather see him throw balls when he is ahead in the count. i could be wrong but i think he gives up a fair amount of 2 strike hits because he is always around the plate. Doc gets guys out with strikes whereas a lot of other great pitchers get guys out with balls. I think this is why he tends to get hit around at times…I stated this in the game thread that he has not put together 5 quality starts in a row this year. Thats an odd fact for a guy whose stats are as great as his are this year.
dont get me wrong … I wouldnt trade him for anyone!!
guess I am just nitpicking
on a sunday night where I have nothing else to do but watch the Yanks and Sox play another marathon game (cue fat a$$ Joe West)
How scary will the Yankees be when they get Cliff Lee. Rotation of CC, Lee, Hughes and Burnett. That’s nasty.
That’s next year
Halladay > CC
Hammels > Burnett
Oswalt > whomever they found to throw in this slot.
Hey Dez, it's 2am do you know where your mother is?
by sowhatifitisasportste on Aug 8, 2010 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions
My bad I have his 35 too.
Hey Dez, it's 2am do you know where your mother is?
by sowhatifitisasportste on Aug 8, 2010 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m not even close to thinking about the Post-Season. I’m really hoping Bastardo (if recalled) can be our #1 BP lefty as Romero has been horrible.
I know I’m gona get hammerd but,
His numbers looked so good that I was questioning Chuck not giving him a chance to close. His VRH was under .190 and his VRH was under .200. and, his ERA was low.
Please don’t be too mean. I’ve been drinking.
Hey Dez, it's 2am do you know where your mother is?
by sowhatifitisasportste on Aug 8, 2010 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I absolutely agree, he threw first pitch fastballs right down the middle to something like 5 batters in a row one game and they started to realize and swing at the first pitch, and it was working.
"Bills everywhere, trill everything, and Drake just stand for Do Right And Kill Everything..."
I remember that game— If memory serves, Sardinha was behind the plate. Halladay tends to go with what the catcher calls, and that makes him a lot more dependent on the catcher making the right calls. I do not know that his problem that day was that he was throwing too many strikes v. not enough balls so much as it was predictibility— a big part of what makes Halladay so good is how many different pitches he is able to throw for strikes. If a hitter can predict which one he is going to throw at a given time, it gives them an advantage.
That depends— was every first pitch a fastball? (was actually watching this game instead of AtBattibg it, so harder to track patterns).
by dannijd on Aug 9, 2010 3:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
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