Much Ado About Madson
He’s never going to approach the visibility or earning power of teammates and fellow homegrown products Jimmy Rollins, Chase Utley, Ryan Howard or Cole Hamels. It’s pretty unlikely anybody will ever seriously debate his Hall of Fame credentials. But Ryan Madson might have as much to do with the Phillies’ sustained success over the last four seasons as anyone outside that quartet of stars. Avoiding both the dizzying highs and crippling lows of bullpen-mates Brad Lidge and J.C. Romero, Madson has become one of baseball’s rarest creatures: a consistently excellent relief pitcher.
To assert that this seemed unlikely three-plus years into his big-league career would be a serious understatement. As TGP noted in early 2007, Madson seemed to be on a sharp downward trajectory after a great (if somewhat lucky) rookie season in 2004: strikeouts slightly down, walks and homers way up. At 26 years old, it was reasonable to believe that what we saw was what we’d get going forward, and he was getting expensive for a low-leverage reliever, earning more in ’07 ($1.1 million) than he’d made in his first three seasons combined. At that point, there wasn’t much to differentiate Madson from teammate and fellow 1998 draftee Geoff Geary.
Then something pretty unlikely happened: after two and a half middling months to start 2007, Madson was almost untouchable through his last 15 appearances that season, putting up a 1.50 ERA in 24 innings and allowing no runs over his eight outings (12.1 IP). Unfortunately, he suffered a right shoulder strain in late July that didn’t heal until October, relegating him to the sidelines as the Phillies staged their implausible rally past the Mets for the NL East title and their first playoff berth in 14 years. Still, Madson’s 3.05 ERA was his best mark since 2004.
He matched that ERA in 2008, but did it over the full season—and turned in his best work when it mattered most: over his last 27 appearances of the regular season, Madson held opposing hitters to a cumulative .248/.267/.327 line, striking out 25 against three walks in 26.1 innings with an ERA barely over 2. A fastball that had sat in the low 90s for most of his career to this point suddenly was popping the gun at 95-98 miles per hour, rendering his signature changeup that much more effective. Madson combined with Romero and Lidge to shorten games for the Phils down the stretch and through their World Series win over the Rays, during which he appeared in four games and struck out six hitters in 3.2 innings.
Though Madson was similarly effective in 2009, much of his good work was overshadowed by his struggles in save situations: he ultimately notched 10 saves, but blew six more. With Lidge suffering through arguably the worst full season ever turned in by a closer, Madson had multiple shots to seize the job but never quite managed to do so. Interestingly, Madson’s overall numbers in the 9th inning weren’t appreciably different than what he did in the 8th:
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|
G |
IP |
Opp Avg/OBP/SLG |
K/BB |
HR |
ERA |
WHIP |
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8th inning |
53 |
48.1 |
.257/.318/.339 |
3.13 |
2 |
3.54 |
1.28 |
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9th inning |
26 |
23.1 |
.267/.313/.467 |
4.5 |
5 |
3.47 |
1.29 |
Give up a couple home runs in the last inning and everybody gets their panties bunched. Go figure…
Which brings us to 2010, when Madson went from temperamental goof to the new Tug McGraw seemingly faster than one could say, "lost a fight with a metal chair." In late April, at the time of that unfortunate and unnecessary injury—precipitated by another high-profile failure to save a game in San Francisco that the Phils ultimately won in 11 innings—Madson had a 7.00 ERA and had been scored upon in four of his nine appearances. After missing two months, he came back and was pretty good in July: 11 games, 10. 1 IP, 8 hits, 4 runs, 12 strikeouts, a 3.48 ERA.
Then August began, and Madson went out of his mind. Over the Phillies’ last 40 games, he’s appeared in 26 of them, and has allowed earned runs in exactly one (the infamous Michael Bourn out-of-the-baseline game against the Astros on Aug. 23). It’s possible that Charlie Manuel has ridden his best reliever so hard because Madson’s injury ensured he won’t approach his usual full-year workload pretty much no matter what; more likely, it’s that he’s been friggin’ awesome. Madson’s overall line over this stretch: 26 innings, 15 hits, 6 walks, 34 strikeouts, an 0.69 ERA and a composite opponents’ batting line of .165/.232/.187.
Think the McGraw comparison is excessive? Here’s what the Tugger did over the exact same stretch of dates (Aug. 1- Sept. 11) for the Phils in 1980: 16 games, 23.1 innings, 16 hits, 7 walks, 16 strikeouts, 1.16 ERA, .190/.266/.298 composite batting line against.
Of course, McGraw worked 11 more games over the last three weeks of that season, and didn’t allow a single earned run over 20.1 innings. (He was pretty good in the playoffs too.) Madson still has that in front of him, though if Lidge’s elbow woes are as minor as the team now claims, that should ease the pressure.
Why has Madson been better in 2010 than even his very solid 2007-2009 work? Some answers suggest themselves. His average fastball velocity is down slightly from its 2009 high of 95 miles per hour, though still plenty good enough at 93.8. But he’s also relying upon it less, throwing the pitch 50.5 percent of the time in 2010 compared to almost 62 percent last season. In its place, Madson is relying more upon his great changeup, throwing it more often than in any season since his rookie year of 2004, and a cutter that he almost never showed before 2007, used between about 13 and 15 percent of the time from 2007-09, and now throws about 20 percent of the time. With three really good pitches at his disposal, it’s that much more difficult for opposing hitters to key on any one offering. As our own FuquaManuel noted recently, it ain't luck: Madson's BABIP in 2010 is actually a bit higher than league average.
Perhaps the biggest things Madson has given the Phillies over the last four years are consistency and value. Check these numbers over the last four seasons:
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Year |
IP |
ERA |
WHIP |
K/9 |
BB/9 |
HR/9 |
K/BB |
BABIP |
ERA+ |
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2007 |
56.0 |
3.05 |
1.27 |
6.9 |
3.7 |
0.8 |
1.87 |
.272 |
151 |
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2008 |
82.2 |
3.05 |
1.23 |
7.3 |
2.5 |
0.7 |
2.91 |
.305 |
144 |
|
2009 |
77.1 |
3.26 |
1.23 |
9.1 |
2.6 |
0.8 |
3.55 |
.320 |
131 |
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2010 |
45.1 |
2.58 |
0.97 |
11.1 |
1.8 |
0.6 |
6.22 |
.314 |
161 |
Madson is, as far as I could find over the last 35 years or so—the era of more or less modern bullpen usage—the only Phillies reliever to post four consecutive seasons of ERA-plus (a measure of performance compared to the rest of the league; 100 is average). Not even McGraw did that, though he had four good-to-great years of 130 or higher out of six seasons between 1976 and 1981. (And, to be fair, Madson isn't likely to approach Tug's insane 260 mark from 1980.)
In terms of value, The Hardball Times finds that Madson has outperformed his compensation in every season of his career:
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Season |
Wins Above Replacement |
Translated Value of WAR |
Actual Salary |
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2004 |
1.3 |
$4.0m |
$0.3m |
|
2005 |
0.8 |
$2.6m |
$0.35m |
|
2006 |
0.9 |
$3.3m |
$0.4m |
|
2007 |
0.4 |
$1.5m |
$1.1m |
|
2008 |
1.3 |
$5.7m |
$1.4m |
|
2009 |
1.4 |
$6.2m |
$2.33m |
|
2010 |
1.4 |
$5.5m |
$4.83m |
Non-closer relief pitchers are pretty much the red-headed step-children of baseball rosters: most recognizable for what they aren’t (starters or closers), generally not even noticed until they screw up, at which point their limitations of talent and character are endlessly picked over. As noted, this has been true even of Madson; we’re still hearing about his ostensible struggles donning the Magick C (though now the frame is that, yes, probably he can in fact close). But the Phils have something special here: a homegrown player who’s done what so many older imports—from Rheal Cormier and Tim Worrell early in his career to Danys Baez this season—could not: deliver consistent high quality bullpen innings. It doesn’t generate jersey sales or earn huge piles of money, but it fills up the win column pretty nicely.
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Great piece.
Just want to throw in some credit for Tom Gordon, one of the most wrongly unappreciated Phillies in recent memory. Gordon may have been the one who got Madson started on this road. Link 1. Link 2.
Since he now has three good pitches, I wonder if he could start? Although if it ain’t broke…
I’ve always thought that he never really got a fair shot at starting. Yes, the results weren’t good, but I think he could have been a decent starter even without the cutter.
I agree on the starting. He was great in the minors as a starter, came up as a reliever, got one or two starts that went bad, and then the team slated him as “not a starter.” Granted, I’m thrilled with what he’s doing now, but I still wonder what could have been.
Great piece dajafi.
by David S. Cohen on Sep 13, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
A rotation of Roy, Roy, Cole, Cupcakes, Ryan could be really, really god, if Madson turned into the quality of starter I expected him to be 7 years ago. Of course then next years most reliable bullpen arm would be Bastardo, I guess.
He actually got 17 starts back in 2006. Not that that means he shouldn’t have gotten more chances. He didn’t pitch well in those starts but also appears to have been somewhat unlucky.
I thought Madson previously said that he was content to be a relief pitcher, as he was good at it.
If he’d like to try starting again, I’d give him the option, but it could be that he is satisfied with being an ace middle reliever.
Agreed… Although considering the state of the bullpen (and the difficulty in finding consistently good relief help), I would hate to lose him as a reliever (where his impact is spread out over more games) to make him a starter.
by dannijd on Sep 13, 2010 1:56 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Agreed… Although considering the state of the bullpen (and the difficulty in finding consistently good relief help), I would hate to lose him as a reliever (where his impact is spread out over more games) to make him a starter.
by dannijd on Sep 13, 2010 2:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Here are the numbers. For some reason, Fangraphs doesn’t do splits for starting vs. relieving, but Madson was exclusively a starter in April, June, and July that year and he posted the following ERA/FIP/xFIPs in those months.
April – 8.05/5.94/6.11 (19.0 IP)
June – 5.71/5.57/4.68 (34.2 IP)
July – 7.08/5.11/4.74 (20.1 IP)
In May he split his time. His combined numbers for that month were about the same as his stats from June and July.
Also agreed about starting, but it’s sour grapejuice under the bridge I’ve got to get over, because I really can’t begrudge the guy his success as a back-end reliever. I just remember one of the starts he had was on a super windy night in June vs. a powerful White Sox club.
Well done, dajafi, the day is yours.
by Wet Luzinski on Sep 13, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
IIRC he let 9 guys bat that inning, gave up 6 runs and was pulled before getting the third out. The phils tied the score in the second, and then Amaury Telemaco re-crapped the bed. and got the L.
The only reason this game is so memorable to me is b/c it was my first encounter with “The Hawk” and the “stretch/put it on the board….YES/he gone” calls just made my blood boil, especially since I got to hear them repeatedly.
<3 Madson
Whatever happened to the curveball? If I remember correctly, Brett Myers taught it to Madson during his September callup in 2003, and he used it a lot in 2004. It wasn’t nearly as good a pitch as the sharp curve that Myers throws but it was nevertheless a pretty effective third pitch for a while.
it might be that seeing as how he tends to be used in high leverage situations, he never gets a chance to ‘play with it’.
The Fangraphs pitch type stats suggest that the curve was a below-average pitch for him. He threw it about 17% of the time from 2004 through 2006, and it produced wCB/C’s of 0.42, -1.11, and -1.48. He switched to the cutter in 2007, more or less.
The cutter hasn’t really been that much better, but it’s a little better. And I suppose there are diminished returns for throwing a fourth pitch when you’re a reliever.
The trends in the peripheral numbers in that chart above are absurd. Every single one of them has improved nearly every single year.
The weird this I noticed was as his peripherals improved (lower WHIP, Higher K rate, K/BB way up, etc.) his BABIP has gone up. Which in some regards seems counter-intuitive.
Maybe related to the higher FB velocity? The faster the pitch, the faster the batted ball when contact is made.
This would explain the big jump from 2007 to 2008, as 2008 is when he found the extra giddy-up. And 2008 to 2009, as he used the FB more in 2009. And it’s down a little this year, as his velocity is down a little he’s been throwing the FB less.
Question on WAR
What is the main difference in the formula to calculate WAR between baseball-reference.com and fangraphs?
There is such a disparity between fangraphs (used in this example for Madson’s WAR) and that of baseball-reference.com. So much so that in 2005 and 2006 Ryan has a negative WAR in each season (according to baseball-reference)
I’m not trying to disrepute the portion of this post tied to WAR, but it seems like two sources with conflicting numbers blow-up the validity of the metric. What is right?
RWAR AND FWAR
BABIP and Strand Rates are the main differences. rwar is more descriptive and fwar is more predictive. fwar uses 100% DIPS theory.
http://www.insidethebook.com/ee/index.php/site/comments/mail_rwar_v_fwar/
there’s a good link that describes both of them. towards the bottom of the comments you can see my same question and how it was answered.
by jamiethekiller on Sep 13, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Was Roger Mason the one that Fregosi sometimes used in relief before Mitch Williams back in the day? The stats might not bear it out, but I used to think of that analogy (Madson & Lidge) = (Mason & Williams) over and over again last year, particularly when Lidge was struggling. If memory serves correct, Mason pitched pretty damn well in the 1993 world series, but it was Williams who just killed us in that pivotal game 4.
Madson is set to earn 4.8 mil next year. Lidge makes nearly triple that, then they are both FAs in 2012. I sure hope we look to keep Madson around.
The 8th-inning guy back then was usually none other than Larry Andersen.
Mason was acquired midway through the 1993 season and really didn’t pitch all that great for us for the rest of the year. He did pitch well in the eighth inning of World Series Game 6 however, before being lifted for Williams.
Thanks. Game 6. Figures. That’s probably why it sticks in my head.
by Boundforbeach on Sep 13, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Andersen and David West were the setup guys in ’93.
West was sort of like a fat Madson with much worse command, but he was quality that year.
He might have the fattest of a roster full of fat men.
Interestingly, the Phils converted West to a starter in 1994 after a rash of injuries to their original rotation, and he was having a great deal of (BABIP-fueled) success in that role when the strike began. He pitched pretty well in 1995 too, but couldn’t stay healthy.
Someone needs to send these stats to Eskin so he can get some perspective on Madson, instead of following what his “eyes tell him”. Something tells me, however, that he would come to the same conclusion and say this body of work was all a fluke and that Madson’s still crap.
Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est.
He would definitely come to the same conclusion, because he doesn’t really care about the truth. He cares about antagonizing people for ratings.
The real problem is that there are so many people out there who love him and others like him. Honestly, though, I don’t think he’s as damaging as Cataldi. Eskin antagonizes, but Cataldi spreads pure bile and hatred.
Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est.
Yeah, just the other day. I don’t know why I still listen to any of the sports radio stations—just a glutton, I guess.
Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est.
Well, if everyone stopped listening to Eskin then yes he would go away.
That’s how ratings work
by SportingFanaticism on Sep 13, 2010 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, but everyone won’t, because I guess he serves a niche. Kind of like Rush Limbaugh exists and I never listen to him…
Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est.
Rush Limbaugh serves a greater (sadly) market than Howard Eskin – and sadly – it’s not a niche – it’s about to take over congress
by SportingFanaticism on Sep 13, 2010 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Really great stuff here, dajafi.
I’d venture to guess that plenty of Phillies fans don’t even understand how good Madson has become — he’s truly one of the best relievers in the game, as he demonstrates all of the controllable skills you’d look for in a bullpen guy (strikeouts, control, ground balls). I’d stack him right up there in the Matt Thornton, Heath Bell, Joakim Soria, Hong-Chih Kuo class of elite relievers (a class which is second only to Mariano Rivera himself).
your last sentence could have read “which is second only to God himself,” and everyone would have known who you meant
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by layout ultimate on Sep 13, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Nice work. Impressive to stay consistent in a position characterized by year to year inconsistentcy. He’s become like the NL East’s Scott Shields of old . Hoping he takes over the 9th inning soon and we see his talent maximized. Talk about turning copper to gold. Also, what’s the composite in “composite opponents’ batting line” mean. As in a composite function or the standard non mathematical definition?
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Agree with all of this, except for the 9th inning part. Moving him to that inning wouldn’t necessarily maximize his talent. It really just depends on which inning the other team’s better hitters come up, and to the extent that this is randomly distributed between the 8th and the 9th, it doesn’t matter which inning Madson pitches over the long run.

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