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I thought our lead over SF in the wildcard was only 1.5 games…

by Boundforbeach on Sep 2, 2010 9:12 AM EDT reply actions  

Long time ago

Wow seems like this make-up game is from last year. I forgot this game is from a series in early May where a game was rained out, then pushed to a double-header the next day, where the second game got rained/snowed out.

by Sept.28.Oct.27.Dec.28.2008 on Sep 2, 2010 9:30 AM EDT reply actions  

I agree with Wheels about cell phones.

by Romero on Sep 2, 2010 9:44 AM EDT reply actions  

Great, you’ll love him when he serves his suspension

by SportingFanaticism on Sep 2, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well worth it though.

Looking forward to the Kevin Kolb era.
5-8-10...the day the Purdue Boilermakers basketball team won the 2011 NCAA Championship!!

by EREX21 on Sep 2, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you say so. The whole thing was asinine, Morgan the biggest ass, before during and after, but still the whole thing is asinine, and this whole ’it’s part of the game’ thing just is ridiculously stupid

by SportingFanaticism on Sep 2, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh I don’t disagree that Morgan is an ass and that the brawl itself was a total joke but seeing Morgan get flattened by Sanchez’s clothesline was hilarious and Morgan deserved it.

Looking forward to the Kevin Kolb era.
5-8-10...the day the Purdue Boilermakers basketball team won the 2011 NCAA Championship!!

by EREX21 on Sep 2, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

It was discussed extensively and hillariously in the comments to yesterday’s game recap.

by dannijd on Sep 2, 2010 12:55 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

It’s amazing that Howard has been able to maintain this friendship with Bonds. Bonds, by many accounts, tends to push people away after a little while.

by taco pal on Sep 2, 2010 9:57 AM EDT reply actions  

I just hope that all Barry is giving Ryan is batting tips.

by dannijd on Sep 2, 2010 6:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Well, if he gives Ryan some of the stuff he was never caught using…

by phatj on Sep 2, 2010 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I still am more impressed by David S. Cohen’s… one hand, barehand, holding ice cream. Greater level of difficulty.

But which one had more artistic merit?

by taco pal on Sep 2, 2010 10:03 AM EDT reply actions  

LaRussa - Glenn Beck, like alcohol, impairs judgement.

8 games behind the Reds Dusty Baker

See what happens when you eat the crabapple from Tree of Imbecility – the God of Baseball Heaven kicks your ass and your overrated tactical acumen to the curb.

by j reed on Sep 2, 2010 11:09 AM EDT reply actions  

Shit my Tree of Imbecility needs a “the” in front of it.

by j reed on Sep 2, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe it was Beck who told LaRussa to stop playing Colby Rasmus!

by taco pal on Sep 2, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

And how to manage the bullpen.

by j reed on Sep 2, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Raise your hand if you thought TBS baseball coverage couldn’t get any worse.

Oh but it can

by SportingFanaticism on Sep 2, 2010 11:30 AM EDT reply actions  

Kid Rock – about as bad as the gimp triscut / rapcore bands they play for web gems or this week in baseball clips.

by j reed on Sep 2, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Dear God

Do the Mets ever suck. At this point, should we even bother pulling for them to take ONE game?

Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est.

by doubleh on Sep 2, 2010 12:04 PM EDT reply actions  

Probably not. But as long as we get ours when we face them, I will be somewhat appeased.

by taco pal on Sep 2, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sure…at least the games are at the same time today so as to distract us from the Mets’ haplessness. They had better play this badly against the Phillies!

by dannijd on Sep 2, 2010 12:58 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I hope the Mets fall off a bridge, get hit by a train, run over by a tank, contract Gout and the next Paul Blart movie tanks. Rotten bastages.

by Cormican on Sep 2, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

upcoming pitching matchups

9/2 – Joe Blanton vs. Jhoulys Chacin
9/3 – Cole Hamels vs. Chris Capuano
9/4 – Roy Halladay vs. Dave Bush
9/5 – Kyle Kendrick vs. Randy Wolf
9/6 #1 – Roy Oswalt vs. Anibal Sanchez
9/6 #2 – TBA vs. TBA
9/7 – Joe Blanton vs. Chris Volstad (if not suspended)
9/8 – Cole Hamels vs. Andrew Miller (now that Ricky Nolasco is out for the year)
9/9 – OFF

Volstad could conceivably be moved to the second 9/6 game but Miller cannot be moved to 9/7, so the Marlins would still have a TBA at some point in the series. No idea who it might be. Sean West is on the DL but had a setback recently so it won’t be him.

by taco pal on Sep 2, 2010 12:31 PM EDT reply actions  

so we’re definately missing JJ? sweet!

by Nikk.m on Sep 2, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

and Gallardo? Nice!

by Nikk.m on Sep 2, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

as of now. Rainouts, juggled starts etc…could all change that. I wouldn’t get overly excited yet.

by Bilzo on Sep 2, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Brett Sinkbeil maybe? He hasn’t started this year, but he’s the only “starting” pitcher on their 40-Man in the minors.

I guess they could start Badenhop, and just figure he’ll only go ~3-4 innings. Sosa is the only other similarly possible starter that I see. I’d be fine with any of those options.

by Cormican on Sep 2, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Looks like Sinkbeil’s been used as a reliever this year. Link.

I’ll bet they wish they had Nate Robertson back right about now. If Volstad gets suspended and has to miss a start, they’re going to be pretty screwed.

by taco pal on Sep 2, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Man, I gotta lay off of the coffee. Both times I read that last name as “Sinkerbell”.

Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est.

by doubleh on Sep 2, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well that should be his name.

by taco pal on Sep 2, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’s that good, eh? Well, then, I dub him thus!

Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est.

by doubleh on Sep 2, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pretty much. I saw him start 3 or 4 times when he was in Double-A. He’s pretty much the Marlins version of Joe Savery, only he can’t hit.

by Cormican on Sep 2, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

would. be. AWESOMESAUCE.

by Wet Luzinski on Sep 2, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just remember- the Phillies are going to have to use a AAA pitcher for one of those games, too… It is not like Halladay (or even Kendrick) is going to be playing the second game of the double header.

Chances of Volsted being suspended?

by dannijd on Sep 2, 2010 2:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

No you’re wrong. The AAA pitcher we use is likely to be at least on the same level as Kendrick.

by taco pal on Sep 2, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah. You hit a guy and throw behind him next up, you iz the toast.

by Bilzo on Sep 2, 2010 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Until I looked at the link I thought this was a made-up name for some guy named Brett.

by phillyinportland on Sep 5, 2010 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

marlins AAA pitchers on 40-man

Jay Buente (20 G, 0 GS, 30.1 IP, 22 H, 3 HR, 18 BB, 38 K, 2.67 ERA)
Chris Leroux (21 G, 0 GS, 22.0 IP, 26 H, 2 HR, 7 BB, 20 K, 6.95 ERA)
Brett Sinkbeil (56 G, 0 GS, 61.0 IP, 75 H, 4 HR, 30 BB, 56 K, 5.90 ERA)
Taylor Tankersley (25 G, 0 GS, 24.1 IP, 20 H, 3 HR, 7 BB, 20 K, 3.70 ERA)
Tim Wood (14 G, 0 GS, 14.0 IP, 19 H, 4 HR, 4 BB, 12 K, 6.43 ERA)

Not a single starter in the bunch!

Probably what they should do is move one of their injured players to the 60-day (since it’s already September anyway) and purchase the contract of Brian Lawrence or Tom Mastny or some other AAAA scrub.

by taco pal on Sep 2, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

TT is the only one of them that ever rings a bell wrt MLB experience.

by Bilzo on Sep 2, 2010 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know, I actually said that, but he’s been a starter in the past. They could only count on 3 or 4 innings tops, but that seems to hold true for all of their current options.

by Cormican on Sep 2, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Derek Lowe on the shelf for the Braves with elbow pain, outlook unknown. Kenshin Kawakami (who’s pretty decent) stepping back in.

by taco pal on Sep 2, 2010 12:34 PM EDT reply actions  

that stinks. Lowe was one of their worst pitchers this year.

by Bilzo on Sep 2, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

well, I realize their KK is pretty good. But their back-end guys (Saito and Wagner) I’ve never been sold can last all season.

by Wet Luzinski on Sep 2, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is not really accurate. More like he was one of their unluckiest pitchers. Their starters’ xFIP rankings this year are:

Medlen 3.66 (partly as reliever)
Minor 3.67 (SSS)
Hudson 3.86
Lowe 3.94
Hanson 4.14
Kawakami 4.50
Jurrjens 4.52

by taco pal on Sep 2, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lowe was also pitching better and better as the year was going on. Splits:

April 4.41
May 4.39
June 3.93
July 3.68
August 3.30

by taco pal on Sep 2, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, Lowe is something of an albatross on that contract, but it doesn’t make him a terrible pitcher. He’s better than Blanton, for instance.

by PhillyFriar on Sep 2, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kawakami’s decent — definitely better than Kendrick, for comparison’s sake — but he’s definitely a downgrade from Medlen, who’d have been the choice to step in if he were healthy.

by PhillyFriar on Sep 2, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Was going to do one for the Braves too, except that the Pirates’ and Cardinals’ rotations are pretty screwed up and there’s no way to tell who’s going to start for them against Atlanta once Atlanta’s done with the Marlins:

9/2 – Tim Hudson vs. Johan Santana
9/3 – Kenshin Kawakami vs. Andrew Miller
9/4 – Jair Jurrjens vs. Josh Johnson
9/5 – Mike Minor vs. Alex Sanabia

It looks as if the one starter they’re going to miss in the Cardinals series will be Jaime Garcia.

by taco pal on Sep 2, 2010 12:45 PM EDT reply actions  

Good news. Jamie Moyer says he may be open to coming to spring training on a minor league contract, provided he gets a fair shot to prove himself. I would totally jump at that. In fact, if Jamie’s healthy enough, between him and Worley, I think we’d have the fifth-starter spot sufficiently covered so as to trade Kendrick for something useful (like maybe a new backup 3B).

by taco pal on Sep 2, 2010 1:48 PM EDT reply actions  

I think we’d have the fifth-starter spot sufficiently covered so as to trade Kendrick for something useful (like maybe a new backup 3B).

Or a bottle of ketchup. But I agree either way…

"I tried to run him over but Eli had his big boy pads on and he kind of stopped me from getting in the end zone. The next time I’ll try to jump over his head.’’ - Asante Samuel

by foos05 on Sep 2, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ve been trying to come up with potential Kendrick deals that might work for both sides. Maybe we could we get a guy like Ryan Raburn from Detroit?

by taco pal on Sep 2, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think the question is: who needs pitching but is undiscerning?

If the Phils could sign Moyer to a minor league deal, I’d trade Kendrick for a solid backup middle infielder, to be honest.

by PhillyFriar on Sep 2, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or a former lottery ticket who isn’t progressing in that organization (someone like Brandon Wood, perhaps).

by Cormican on Sep 2, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly. Not sure the Angels would part with Wood, but somebody like that would be a more than worthwhile gamble. With all due respect to Kendrick, it would behoove the Phillies to get anything of value for him with his salary set to begin escalating in the coming years.

by PhillyFriar on Sep 2, 2010 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, Wood has been Greg Dobbs this year (if not worse. he’svery good defensively but a .125 batting average probably didn’t help him much), and I thought they weren’t high on him as he became a bit of a last resort starter this year, after they couldn’t get a free agent.

Still, it was just an example. Maybe it’s Maybin or whomever.

by Cormican on Sep 2, 2010 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn’t hang too much hope on Moyer as anything other than a mentor. Sure he’s low risk at a minor league level deal, but if you really are expecting much from him after this, I don’t think it’s a wise bet.

by Bilzo on Sep 2, 2010 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

“Bet” implies that it would actually be costing us something, which it wouldn’t.

by taco pal on Sep 2, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

And “fair shot” is open to some interpretation. To start? mmmmmmmaybe.

To be the mopup longman/asst pitching coach and remain a big leaguer? well okay then!

by Wet Luzinski on Sep 2, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

there’s an opportunity cost associated with it. :)

by Bilzo on Sep 2, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

To a minor league contract?

by phatj on Sep 2, 2010 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think the question is: who needs pitching but is undiscerning?

So who’s looking for pitchers who can’t pitch. We should have tried to get something for him when the getting was good. I think that ship has sailed.

by j reed on Sep 2, 2010 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s an overstatement though. He has a positive WAR and is a reasonably competent fifth starter who, though he won’t be dirt-cheap anymore next year, will still be affordable. We have several competent fifth starters so we should try to get rid of him, but other teams do not.

by taco pal on Sep 2, 2010 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

There are five teams with team ERAs higher than Kendrick’s: Pittsburgh, Kansas City, Arizona, Milwaukee, and Baltimore. Undiscerning? I’d say Pittsburgh has to be number one there also. Not much talent in the backup middle infield category, though. Ronny Cedeno? Sort of like Valdez. Maybe KC. Wilson Betemit might be a good addition.

by phillyinportland on Sep 5, 2010 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not a bad idea though one is playing very well right now and the other is not.

by j reed on Sep 2, 2010 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

One point I was going to add to yesterday’s 5th starter-a-thon discussion was that there may be some decent pitchers out there who their original organization has soured on whom the Phillies may want to take a chance on in the off-season. The Astros pulled Brett Myers off the scrap heap. The Phils ought to be in a solid position with 4 good starters and a guy like Worley who is pretty much ready to go (in the sense that it’s unlikely he’ll be worse than Kendrick).

by Wet Luzinski on Sep 2, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Phillies have been pretty good lately at finding 6th-starter types and stashing them at AAA. Rodrigo Lopez sorta-kinda saved our season in 2009, and I wouldn’t have panicked if we’d had to use Brandon Duckworth as a short-term fill-in this year. And now we have Nate Robertson too. This is a heckuva lot better than the Paul Abbotts who used to roam around in Scranton/Wilkes-Barre. I know this is a level below the level of pitcher you’re talking about, but the more backup options you have for that fifth spot, the better.

by taco pal on Sep 2, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree. And maybe we can get Nelson Figueroa back the next time Ruben Amaro needs a sparkly Silly Band from Ed Wade.

by Wet Luzinski on Sep 2, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m right there with you (both of you, actually). At the major league level, I like the idea of buy low candidates, and I’m a big believer in pursuing “quality” Quad-A guys to keep your Triple-A team stocked if all hell breaks loose.

by PhillyFriar on Sep 2, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

agreed. 5 emergency starts a year from guys like that is fine.

by Bilzo on Sep 2, 2010 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

If he is open to that, I hope that the Phillies jump at it- and give him a fair chance to prove himself. He had been pitching really well for them most of this season, and deserves a chance to prove that he still has what it takes.

by dannijd on Sep 2, 2010 2:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Worley to the ’pen as the new Durbin/Herndon might not be the worst thing, it terms of getting him MLB experience and keeping the innings pitched total under control.

http://www.thegoodphight.com

by WholeCamels on Sep 2, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why do I feel like imitating the Swedish Chef when I say Durbin/Herndon?

by Cormican on Sep 2, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

no…I think that was actually pretty good.

by Bilzo on Sep 2, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well that isn’t a good sign.

by taco pal on Sep 2, 2010 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

As illustrated in the above photo, the Swedish Chef is preparing to eat his ex-boss, Kermit the Frog, whose X’d-out eyes are symptomatic of his Muppet deadness.

(this is a little dark for you, danni)

by Wet Luzinski on Sep 2, 2010 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s crazy to think Worley hasn’t even turned 23 yet. Seems like he’s been around awhile, doesn’t it?

by PhillyFriar on Sep 2, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

bullpen usage, last six days (# of pitches)

Lidge – Fri (24), Sat (17), Tue (21), Wed (22)
Madson – Fri (12), Sat (14), Sun (24), Tue (9), Wed (8)
Romero – Mon (14), Tue (16), Wed (4)
Contreras – Sat (14)
Durbin – Fri (35), Tue (17)
Herndon – Mon (6)
Bastardo – none

by taco pal on Sep 2, 2010 3:31 PM EDT reply actions  

I am a little surprised at how few pitches Madson needed to get through the eighth inning on Tuesday and Wednesday- while I still think he is overused, single digits both times is cool.

by dannijd on Sep 2, 2010 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I believe we were discussing expansion here and where teams might end up

KLAW had this to say

“The recipient cities will be whoever’s willing to build a stadium and gift it on the new owners.”

He seems to believe this leaves Portland out of the mix

by SportingFanaticism on Sep 2, 2010 4:19 PM EDT reply actions  

What city can afford to build a new stadium on their own?

Looking forward to the Kevin Kolb era.
5-8-10...the day the Purdue Boilermakers basketball team won the 2011 NCAA Championship!!

by EREX21 on Sep 2, 2010 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Any city really, the just sell bonds and go into debt. :)

by SportingFanaticism on Sep 2, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Excellent strategy.

Looking forward to the Kevin Kolb era.
5-8-10...the day the Purdue Boilermakers basketball team won the 2011 NCAA Championship!!

by EREX21 on Sep 2, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

How do you think most stadiums get built?

How did you think Heinz field, the linc, or CBP got built?

When the economy recovers (it will at some point, but who knows when) there probably will be expansion, but there’s always greenmale involved.

For instance, you think Oklahoma City is a better basketball market than Seattle or that OKC was willing to pony up the cash?

The memphis grizzlies would love to move but there’s such a huge penalty clause in their sweet heart deal at fed ex forum it would kill em :)

by SportingFanaticism on Sep 2, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I understand the strategy behind how most new stadiums come to be, the majority of the time the city is footing the majority of the bill. I am not sure I agree with that but that is the way it is. So be it.

And no, I do not think OKC is a better basketball market than Seattle. In fact, I don’t think OKC is a better market for anything than Seattle, sports, jobs, technology etc.

Looking forward to the Kevin Kolb era.
5-8-10...the day the Purdue Boilermakers basketball team won the 2011 NCAA Championship!!

by EREX21 on Sep 2, 2010 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think OKC is a better market for anything than Seattle, sports, jobs, technology etc.

BBQ, open land to develop, and potential oil wells

by SportingFanaticism on Sep 2, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Point taken.

Looking forward to the Kevin Kolb era.
5-8-10...the day the Purdue Boilermakers basketball team won the 2011 NCAA Championship!!

by EREX21 on Sep 2, 2010 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

There won’t be any expansion at all for as long as the economy stays the way it is.

by taco pal on Sep 2, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly my point.

Looking forward to the Kevin Kolb era.
5-8-10...the day the Purdue Boilermakers basketball team won the 2011 NCAA Championship!!

by EREX21 on Sep 2, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Random blank response.

Your comment was exactly my point, no one can afford to do that now, or in the near future.

Looking forward to the Kevin Kolb era.
5-8-10...the day the Purdue Boilermakers basketball team won the 2011 NCAA Championship!!

by EREX21 on Sep 2, 2010 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

In an earlier portion of his response he did say when the economy recovers.

I think the implication is that Portland won’t be putting up money for a stadium?

by SportingFanaticism on Sep 2, 2010 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

From what I understand Portland is not putting up money to fix The Rose Garden so I can’t exactly see them putting up money to bring a baseball team.

And even once the economy does get better, I still don’t think baseball needs more teams. If anything, they should relocate a few before they consider expansion. But that’s my opinion.

Looking forward to the Kevin Kolb era.
5-8-10...the day the Purdue Boilermakers basketball team won the 2011 NCAA Championship!!

by EREX21 on Sep 2, 2010 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

If I lived in a city where a team was owned by paul allen and the city wanted to give him some money to help him out i’d raise holy hell as well.

by SportingFanaticism on Sep 2, 2010 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

This would, indeed, be the response. Allen, even though he spends money on the Trail Blazers, is not really looked at as Portland’s own – he’s a guy from Seattle. No more public funds will go his way unless there’s some threat that can’t be ignored, like Allen moving the Trail Blazers to Seattle.

by phillyinportland on Sep 5, 2010 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

How would you feel about a 3rd team in the greater new york metropolitan area?

by SportingFanaticism on Sep 2, 2010 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

They should put one in North Jersey. Probably an NL team. I think it would work. They’d have to pay huge compensation to the Yankees and Mets though.

by taco pal on Sep 2, 2010 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would be ok with a team in North Jersey that as well. Heck, they have two football teams and a hockey team up there already. Why not baseball? I didn’t include the Nets since they are on their way out.

I often wonder if Philly could sustain another baseball team. I am not sure that it could, but I do think about it.

Looking forward to the Kevin Kolb era.
5-8-10...the day the Purdue Boilermakers basketball team won the 2011 NCAA Championship!!

by EREX21 on Sep 2, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

The main problem is what TV network would they put the games on. I don’t know how NY cable works, but you can’t have more than one baseball team on the same network since they play everyday, and a third local cable network in a metro area (even the NYC metro area) would have very little programming during the offseason. But maybe there’s a solution I’m not thinking of.

by taco pal on Sep 2, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well in NY don’t the Yankees and Met’s have their own networks?

Looking forward to the Kevin Kolb era.
5-8-10...the day the Purdue Boilermakers basketball team won the 2011 NCAA Championship!!

by EREX21 on Sep 2, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t believe the Mets on SNY and I don’t know if the yankeees still own a portion of YES (I know one team divested, but it might have been the Nets)

by SportingFanaticism on Sep 2, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

You are right, as of 2003 the Yankees do not own YES. Still looking into SNY.

Looking forward to the Kevin Kolb era.
5-8-10...the day the Purdue Boilermakers basketball team won the 2011 NCAA Championship!!

by EREX21 on Sep 2, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is my point. There are only so many local sports network you can have in a given market.

by taco pal on Sep 2, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know they are much more minor but how does the new york market handle Islanders, Rangers, Devils (I’m asking in general, i’m not presuming you know but i know there are folk who live in new york who might know)

Is there a ‘comcast sports net’ covering northern jersey/new york?

by SportingFanaticism on Sep 2, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not sure, but in any event, hockey’s different. You can have two teams on the same network, since they don’t all play at the same time every night.

by taco pal on Sep 2, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

The NY hockey market is a bit of a mess. The NJD are NJ’s team, but they don’t get coverage in South NJ because that’s PHI territory. But MSG airs them all, I think, in addition to the Knicks.

Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est.

by doubleh on Sep 2, 2010 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I totally forgot about MSG network – they do the knicks – do they do a baseball team?

by SportingFanaticism on Sep 2, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I do not believe so. I looked at a staff list and saw only hockey, basketball, and soccer.

Looking forward to the Kevin Kolb era.
5-8-10...the day the Purdue Boilermakers basketball team won the 2011 NCAA Championship!!

by EREX21 on Sep 2, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nope, just hockey/bball, I think. SNY does Muts and YES does Spankees.

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by doubleh on Sep 2, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

As far as I know there is no CSN NY or CSN North Jersey.

I could explain how they manage three hockey teams, it’s actually pretty simple. The Devils are made up of mostly North Jersey residents. The Islanders have most of Long Island and the Rangers get most of their fans from NYC and it’s surrounding areas.

Looking forward to the Kevin Kolb era.
5-8-10...the day the Purdue Boilermakers basketball team won the 2011 NCAA Championship!!

by EREX21 on Sep 2, 2010 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I really can’t see a team in northern NJ doing well. First, everyone here has pretty much cast their lots with the Mets or Yankees. If anything it’d need to be an American League team to break up Yankee Hegemony in the region.

Plus, it’s not exactly like the Devils kick ass attendance wise.

I also don’t really know where you’d put the stadium. Meadowlands? Harrison, by the new Red Bull stadium?

http://www.thegoodphight.com

by WholeCamels on Sep 2, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was thinking that if you go NL, then you’d get some people who would root for both the Yankees and the NJ team. And then the allegiances would shift toward the latter over time.

One of the worst problems with the Devils and Nets was the Meadowlands, so you definitely wouldn’t want to put a stadium there. I think the Devils will start to draw better as time goes by now that they’re in Newark. You’d want to put a stadium near public transportation somewhere. So Newark, Jersey City, Secaucus, somewhere like that. I guess Harrison is accessible too.

by taco pal on Sep 2, 2010 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

The biggest metropolitan areas by population that don’t have MLB teams are:

Orlando 2.75 million
Sacramento 2.44 million
Charlotte 2.39 million
Portland 2.24 million
San Antonio 2.07 million

Oh and also Montreal. I would kind of like to see them get another team someday. Despite what happened with the Expos, I think it could work if things were actually done properly the next time.

by taco pal on Sep 2, 2010 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

When you do those numbers are those just the cities or ‘outlying’ populations (20-30 minutes away) that would be accounted for.

If Las Vegas isn’t in the top 5 why are they always mentioned?

by SportingFanaticism on Sep 2, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Combined statistical areas as defined by the US Census Bureau.

by taco pal on Sep 2, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Out of curiosity where does Vegas rank on that (and that’s 2000 census right?)

by SportingFanaticism on Sep 2, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Vegas gets nuked because of “combined metrolpolitan area”.
Henderson and Laughlin don’t really bring a lot of warm bodies to the census.

by Bilzo on Sep 2, 2010 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, they’re 2009 estimates. Vegas is at 1.95 million.

I think what you’re thinking of is that Vegas is the largest metro area in the U.S. with no team at all. Not just no baseball team.

by taco pal on Sep 2, 2010 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Las Vegas gets brought up in both baseball and NBA discussions a lot – i just wondered why

by SportingFanaticism on Sep 2, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Montreal is at 3.81 million. Also, Vancouver is at 2.33 million.

by taco pal on Sep 2, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

you mean like not taking the team off TV on purpose?

by Bilzo on Sep 2, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

By way of comparison, the five smallest metro areas with MLB teams currently are:

Cleveland 2.89 million
Pittsburgh 2.45 million
Cincinnati 2.21 million
Kansas City 2.14 million
Milwaukee 1.76 million

by taco pal on Sep 2, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

The growth rates are very different though, as you might expect. These percentages stand for changes between 2000 and 2009.

Orlando +25.40%
Sacramento +17.73%
Charlotte +25.97%
Portland +16.29%
San Antonio +21.06%

Cleveland -1.83%
Pittsburgh -3.19%
Cincinnati +8.04%
Kansas City +12.39%
Milwaukee +4.18%

by taco pal on Sep 2, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m usually impressed with the Brewers attendance figures, in light of that info. They usually finish in the top half of the league in attendance.

http://www.thegoodphight.com

by WholeCamels on Sep 2, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

There’s very little to do in Milwaukee, which is really just a poor suburb of chicago

by SportingFanaticism on Sep 2, 2010 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m surprised that it’s growing. Who’s moving there?

by taco pal on Sep 2, 2010 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Latrell Spreewell?

by Bilzo on Sep 2, 2010 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

People who can’t afford to live in the poor parts of chicago or the nicer parts of wisconsin

by SportingFanaticism on Sep 2, 2010 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Commenting on the Wheeler rant, if I might

He did know they were in LA, right? Lalalanders don’t exist without cell phones.

Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est.

by doubleh on Sep 2, 2010 4:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Joe Morgan, at it again this week (emphasis mine)
What is your opinion on the batting woes of the Phillies. Is this something you feel they can come out of any time soon, and can they make the playoffs if it continues?

Joe Morgan
The amazing thing to me is they fired their hitting coach. He was there when they won back to back pennants and they have not hit better since. They are definitely an offensive led team. They do not have four great starters nor a great bullpen. If their offense continues to struggle, then no they won’t make the playoffs. But I expect Ryan Howard to do what they’ve done and lead the team in September to another championship.

Dear Mr Morgan, which Major League Baseball team has four great starters?

Which Major League Baseball team tops a foursome of Blanton, Halladay, Hamels, Oswalt?

by SportingFanaticism on Sep 2, 2010 4:30 PM EDT reply actions  

I think they can keep it, if the Phillies’ bats don’t come alive. If they do, I think they can win because the Braves bats aren’t as consistent. But they’ve held on this long, so there’s nothing that says they can’t hold on another month.

by SportingFanaticism on Sep 2, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Real holy laughter on the web! They see through him! his
     lack of preparation! the mocking posts!
     They give him the finger! the finger! waving!
     the middle one! Slapping their elbow! right at the
     tube!

by Wet Luzinski on Sep 2, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wait, what? He just completely negates himself again and again and again. The hamster on the wheel in his brain is dying.

Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est.

by doubleh on Sep 2, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s why i posted it, i read it a few times and was still confused :)

by SportingFanaticism on Sep 2, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just imagine how he feels. Then again, he probably doesn’t care, because he’s HoF’er 2B Joe Morgan. LOL.

Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est.

by doubleh on Sep 2, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Consistent… I don’t know, but… Dave Concepcion…

by PhillyFriar on Sep 2, 2010 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

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