Some Phillies Links for You: September 22, 2010: Halladay's 20th, Twins are Ins, So Long and Thanks for all the Cox
by Wet Luzinski on Sep 22, 2010 7:36 AM EDT
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Steve Carlton in 1982 is the reason I fell in love with baseball.
Amen. For me it was Steve Carlton in 1976. So guys like this don't come around on a Phillies roster all that often. Enjoy it.
Rookie mistakes sink the Braves
McCann didn't help either, but Victorino's arm looks better now than it did earlier this season.
Sheridan: Eagles couldn't steal the Phillies' thunder
Remember when the Eagles looked like a witit organization and the Phillies made really weird decisions that made you wonder who was really in charge?
Rollins remains in holding pattern
Just wait until he tries to claim his luggage. Also of note: Phillies will honor Bobby Cox tonight. A lifetime supply of creatively modified foam fingers, perhaps?
Cox earns respect (and wins) to the end
Gillick hasn't ruled out returning as GM
The Brett Favre of baseball GMs.
Bobby Cox is fighting to the very end
Unsure if I want this to be the last time we see Bobby Cox at CBP or not. The Phils match up pretty well should it come to that. Meh, out of principle I'll vote "Last time."
Spandex-clad Phillies fan released to parents
You'll have to figure out a way to pay that RISD application fee yourself, boy.
Scott Lauber: Phillies OF Jayson Werth a look
Wait, didn't Scott Lauber used to write about a team that mattered? OH BURN
Twins win, clinch AL Central after White Sox lose
Now that they built that damn new stadium, they'll just print money and win division crowns.
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Loved the picture comment and smiled at the thought of honoring Cox with modified foam fingers. The Sheridan article really irked me, what with the whole, stealing thunder theory; The Eagles practice Wednesday and Friday I believe and if Vick’s going to be starting, he’s going to be taking snaps with the first team. In fact, not making the announcement would probably generated more buzz as the media bring in experts to hypothesize. Anyway, an Eagles announcement can’t take anything away from Halladay’s 20th win or the Phillies.
Yay! I’m going to the game Friday and KK’s start is pushed back. Already seen him once. That was the CO game against Umbaldo.
Damn it. I’m going to the game Monday, and I’ll get to see Kendrick. Woohoo
by FearTheTurtIe on Sep 22, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Last I heard on MLB Network Halladay is being moved back to Monday. Lucky dog.
by phillyinportland on Sep 22, 2010 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions
lifetime stats vs. tommy hanson
Nobody even has 10 ABs against him, so this is even less meaningful than usual.
Victorino – 1 for 7, .143/.250/.143
Polanco – 1 for 3, .333/.333/.667
Utley – 3 for 9, .333/.333/.667
Howard – 2 for 8, .250/.333/.625
Werth – 1 for 4, .250/.500/.500
Ibanez – 3 for 7, .429/.556/.714
Ruiz – 0 for 5
Valdez – 0 for 2
lifetime stats vs. roy oswalt
Lee – 18 for 65, 3 HR, 6 BB, 17 K, .277/.338/.492
McLouth – 10 for 28, 2 HR, 1 BB, 8 K, .357/.379/.643
Gonzalez – 10 for 23, 2 HR, 1 BB, 3 K, .435/.458/.696
Ankiel – 5 for 21, .238/.273/.238
Hinske – 2 for 7, .286/.286/.286
Cabrera – 0 for 3
McCann – 2 for 2, 1.000/1.000/1.500
Weird Oswalt pwnage by Gonzalez, no? At least McLouth had some very good years with the Pirates that would explain his line to an extent.
Also, how have Oswalt and McCann only faced each other twice?
by PhillyFriar on Sep 22, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m even more surprised that Ankiel only has 21 ABs against Oswalt. Since they were both in the NL Central.
That’s true too, though I don’t think Ankiel was a starter there for very long.
by PhillyFriar on Sep 22, 2010 1:00 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Man, I do not like that Brookover article. It reminds me too much of that Mets article from a few years back (mind you that one was in mid-August and was more egregious) that claimed the race was over, the Mets could begin getting ready for the playoffs, etc. I’m not worried about a jinx, but I hate the dismissive tone and snobbishness. The simple truth is until you clinch your division you haven’t clinched your division.
Also “Bobby Cox is fighting until the end” makes me a little uneasy as a headline for a guy with a Domestic Violence history. It’s not as bad as a headline saying, for example, “Stallworth still running over people on his way to the end zone” or “Burress loves catching bullets from his quarterback in the ’gun”, but it’s still a little off putting.
Agree, this series has played a lot closer than first-blush results really indicate. Even with the rookie pitchers in a full/loud-ish stadium, it’s not like the Phillies have crushed the Braves, AND you have to be cognizant of the fact that the Braves are, health-wise, kind of where the Phillies were in early July.
by Wet Luzinski on Sep 22, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Exactly. The Braves have some good/great young players and have Phillies of 5 years ago potential. However, like the Phillies of 5 years ago, they are also stuck rolling Rick Ankiel, Troy Glaus and Nate McLouth out there to fill holes. They’re a good team and most teams would kill for a GM as good as their’s, the Phils may be well on their way to locking things up and putting the Braves in the rear view mirror, but I don’t see any value in being dismissive of a very good young team who we will be fighting tooth and nail for Division Championships for several more years (hopefully). That said, eff the Braves. Eff ’em right in their eye.
Agreed- I said it to Phillies fans I know before the season that the Braves are a great team, and I still think they are and have a ton of respect for them. They have lost a pair of close games with rookie starting pitchers. But they are not going away. I fully expect them to be in the mix for years to come.
by dannijd on Sep 22, 2010 1:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Phils have left 21 men on base in 2 games. The Phillies themselves are more the reason these 2 games have been close. Last night they left 9 on thru 4 innings.. thats insane! But I agree the Braves are a good team and will be in years to come, however right now I think there is actually a pretty big gap between the 2 teams.
also that ball Freeman hit was a BOMB! I was in right field watching it sail into the bullpen area….
The fact that so many were left on speaks to both teams--
How many times on this board has credit been given to a Phillies pitcher who managed to work himself out of a jam with runners in scoring position? If we are going to give them credit for succeeding, than credit must also be given to the Braves pitching and defense for preventing the Phillies from getting the hits they needed to score the runners- you can not have it both ways just because you are a Phillies phan. Yes, the Phillies share the blame for not advancing the runners- but hats off to the Braves for helping to create that many LOBsters.
Working out of a jam is runners on 1st and 3rd no outs and getting out of it with SO & DP without surrendering a run …. Dumb luck is Hard hit line drives right at an OFer
Hey Dez, it's 2am do you know where your mother is?
by sowhatifitisasportste on Sep 22, 2010 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t know what I think about their GM. He’s made some head-scratching moves as well. Now, their player development folks are clearly very impressive, and the GM also deserves some credit for that of course.
yeah like getting rid of Escobar – young quality SSs are not to be traded unless your getting king’s ransom in return.
Does Josh Becket for Hanley Ramirez (Anabel Sanchez and Jesus Delgado) qualify as a king’s ransom?
by Boundforbeach on Sep 22, 2010 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Hard to say— the other thing to realize with Hanley, though is that he was a problem child attitude wise- I think that Boston had had just about all they could take of him.
Other than that- an ace pitcher for a young, talented shortstop sounds like a push at best, and probably like Boston gave up waaaay more than they got particularly considering that they also sent Sanchez and Delgado.
No, this is not “hard to say.” Not even one tiny minuscule little iota. In return for a pitcher who would have likely commanded more than 40% of their budget if signed long term, the Marlins got the best shortstop in baseball (cost-controlled) and a solid middle of the rotation starter (also cost-controlled).
This is not a push, at all.
Pessimism of the intellect, optimism of the will.
Probably doesn't make a difference
but the Sox also got Lowell out of the deal, who gave them a few good years before his leg finally gave out. Top of the rotation starter and starting 3B on a championship team isn’t a bad haul.
Still not a push, but it’s moving in a slightly better direction.
And it is worth noting that both guys were integral to Boston’s 2007 WS victory. That said, taking the long view, the Marlins won in this trade.
Pessimism of the intellect, optimism of the will.
Sounds like you’re arguing after the fact. Beckett was a proven young star pitcher – 24 years old when traded to Boston after 2005. He then gave the Red Sox what they needed over the next four years and the team won a World Series thanks in some part to Beckett’s abilities. Ramirez is three years younger but had no proven track record in the majors at the end of 2005. Sure he has been great, better than all but a handful of players since 2006, but according to Baseball America he was the #30 rated prospect going into 2006, not someone you would argue is definitely better than an ace pitcher. His 2005 season at Double A was not spectacular. This turned out well for Florida, but I remember thinking at the time that it was another example of the Marlins dumping one of their star players because they wouldn’t pay him what he deserved – and most likely they’d get less in return.
by phillyinportland on Sep 22, 2010 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Beckett was a “star” largely on the strength of the 2003 postseason – he had never had a full season of ace-level pitching. (For that matter he’s only had one since, and in aggregate has been decidedly mediocre.) Nevertheless, he was going to be out of the Marlins’ price range if they held on to him, so trading him for prospects instead of waiting for him to depart as a free agent makes sense.
While it’s true that Ramirez had no major league success when the Marlins traded for him, that’s not really fair – the alternative to trading him was not resigning him, but letting him walk a year later, so the fair comparison would be the two draft picks the Marlins would have received. Rather than two picks, the Marlins cashed in on his postseason dominance (perhaps especially including dominance of the Yankees) and got the Red Sox top (?) position prospect, a good pitching prospect in Sanchez, plus Jesus Delgado, whoever he is. In other words, by trading him, they got what you hope two top draft picks turn into if you’re really lucky, plus another prospect.
also
As Career Ends, Cox Orders Restraint
is that better?by Wet Luzinski on Sep 22, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Can I enjoy it if it’s coming from a Braves writer?
PHILADELPHIA – They’re not going to win the East. That fading dream was all but extinguished Tuesday night. They’re five games behind a demonstrably better team with 10 to go, which is another way of saying: Not happening.
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There’s no shame in not being as good as the Phillies: Nobody else in the National League has been as good as these Phils for a while now. The shame would be in having what still can be a sweet season ruined by one dud series.
Derek Bodner
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by Derek Bodner on Sep 22, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
If you love captions/pictures like I do and want a good laugh, check out the latest on McCovey. Pretty damn funny.
Werth in the Sheridan article
“We’re going for the best record in baseball,” Werth said. “Make no mistake about it. Everyone in here believes we’re the best team in baseball and we’re going to go out and prove it.”
Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est.
Not at all
It sort of raised an eyebrow with me, but in a good way. Not often Werth says much these days, but when he does he has substance, I’ll give him that.
Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est.
As a numbers guy, I’m sure you appreciate the fact that the answer is 42, which to me is one of the funnier things about baseball.
by Wet Luzinski on Sep 22, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Dear Media
No more Werth puns. Please.
Love,
Rujasu
Dear Rujasu,
Actually do our job? Come up with clever headlines?
Sorry, it’s just not Werth it.
Love,
Media
by Aphilfan on Sep 22, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Now it’s time to stick the dagger in the hearts of the Braves and send them away feeling broken down and deffeated
Hey Dez, it's 2am do you know where your mother is?
by sowhatifitisasportste on Sep 22, 2010 1:55 PM EDT reply actions
7 years, $120 million for Werth seems a bit excessive. I still have no idea how Holliday got that contract. Don’t get me wrong, I love the guy (Werth that is), but in 7 years he will be 38. How about 5 years, $90 million?
Jayson Werth will be getting at the very least, the Jason Bay contract, which was like 4-65(?).
We had to figure he was getting 10+ mil per year, but to think of the 18-20 mil range is just a tad excessive, but it is Boras after all.
by WanderingMoses on Sep 22, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Werth......
may be willing to take a discount for the Phils, espicially if they go to the world series again. It’s pretty likely the Phils go to the WS, but assuming Werth leaves Philly, I could maybe see the Dodgers or Angels signing him. Both teams seem to have deep pockets and could use a good outfield bat. And you know the daggum Yankees will try to make him an offer.
Considering their ownership situation, I doubt that the Dodgers are going to go after Werth- there is just no money for regular free agents, let alone really expensive ones. While the Angels are a little more of a possibility, particularly since they are going to be looking for bats in the off season, I doubt that they are going to be willing to give him the contract that one of the AL East teams (I am thinking either Yankees or Red Sox) would have to give him.
While I would love to see Werth remain in Philly, I doubt that even a World Series is enough to get him to take the kind of deep discount that would be involved in keeping him in Philly.
Based on the reception Johnny Damon got there, I think Werth would become an immediate big favorite in Boston. And they will spend the money, I’m convinced, especially after missing the playoffs this year.
by phillyinportland on Sep 22, 2010 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions
yes. Hence the link to Scott Lauber’s piece where he outlines the argument. The Red Sox can and should roll out the carpet o’money for him.
Was mulling this while watching the game last night, thinking that Ruiz wouldn’t be too bad in the role of the Righty Bat™. Not as much power, though.
by Wet Luzinski on Sep 22, 2010 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions
If only there was a right-handed power-hitting outfielder who understands the Charlie Manuel system of hitting and can make it work – and who could be available really cheaply next season.
Oh, wait, there is – but is he worth the headaches and could we ever live with the tagline – “It’s Manny-delphia time” or some other similar play on words. I think not.
by phillyinportland on Sep 22, 2010 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions
stop
Werth is not accepting a “discount” to stay in Philly and why should he?
Enjoy Jayson Werth now. ’Cause homeboy is gone. And I wish him all the best.
http://www.thegoodphight.com
As am I and, as do I- he deserves a big contract, and he is not going to get that here.
Best wishes Jayson- and thank-you!
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