Some Phillies Links For You, September 27, 2010: Playoffs?! Yes, Rookie Hazing, Pleased Mets
by WholeCamels on Sep 27, 2010 8:06 AM EDT
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PrintMets downplay blocking Phillies from clinching NL East
Seriously, it must have been supremely satisfying for the Mets and their fans.
Paul Hagen: Backing in wouldn't be as much fun for Phillies
I'm sure they'd take it however they can get it.
Rollins tries pinch hitting, but he's a bit impatient
It was truly a terrible at-bat.
Giants take over NL West as Rockies fade
Someone wake me when the playoff matchups are set.
Jair Jurrjens to Have Injection Monday, Still Hoping to Make Another Start
Braves looking wobbly...
No Clinching, More Hazing - Philled In
Of course, that doesn’t mean there was nothing to enjoy postgame. It was rookie hazing day, and all the Phillies’ rookies got some skimpy outfits to wear on the ride to Washington. Among the highlights: A tiny cop outfit with stripper shorts for Antonio Bastardo. A women’s track suit for John Mayberry. A cop outfit so small that Vance Worley needed the help of two teammates to get his top buttoned. And Brian Bocock had a tight red fireman’s outfit on.
I don't feel so good.
Clinching Will Have to Wait
Thank goodness for Imodium.
Charlie Manuel, Phillies incensed about New York Mets calling 'timeout' during Brad Lidge's windup
That really was some BS.
Constructing the Phillies 2010 Playoff Roster
Needs more Sardinha!
Hey, I Get E-mails From Kyle Kendrick! - SB Nation Philly
OK, this is just weird.
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Apparently it wasn’t just the Phillies doing a rookie hazing yesterday…this is the Marlins.
5-8-10...the day the Purdue Boilermakers basketball team won the 2011 NCAA Championship!!
the gigantic Club 78 bush on the dude with the red wig is really…really…quite…disturbing
by Boundforbeach on Sep 27, 2010 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions
OK, enough fun, rooks. Go hit the video room and come out ready to kick some ATL butt.
Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est.
Phillippe Aumont, should he ever reach the major league roster, is so getting the French maid outfit.
by Wet Luzinski on Sep 27, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
A cop or prisoner outfit would be particularly cruel.
by Wet Luzinski on Sep 27, 2010 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Mets went from their self proclaimed dynasty-in-the making in 2006 to playing mild spoiler role during our 4 years (and counting?) run. How the mediocre have fallen.
It’s not like we haven’t seen some clinches around here, still have a few of them on the TIVO.
by EastFallowfield on Sep 27, 2010 8:42 AM EDT reply actions
Some mild similarities to this series, in reverse.
http://www.thegoodphight.com/2007/8/30/111446/337
I don’t think that Kendrick e-mail should have been published. I suppose it’s possible that a drunk Kyle really wrote that e-mail, but unless there’s a good reason to believe that to be the case, it’s just spam that’s being framed to make him look bad.
I don’t think anyone will believe it’s Kyle and even the writer says, or at least alludes, to it not being Kendrick. The main reason it shouldn’t have been published is that it serves no purpose. It’s not newsworthy and it’s not so ridiculous a fake as to be really funny.
For as much personal character as this team has shown in general, it’s disappointing to hear that they engage in hazing. That’s something I really don’t condone.
I have nothing wrong with making guys dress up in stupid and silly outfits. It isn’t hurting anyone. Unless of course someone on the team happens to be gay and they take offense to it. Always a possibility I suppose. But in the grand scheme of things, this is pretty innocent.
5-8-10...the day the Purdue Boilermakers basketball team won the 2011 NCAA Championship!!
And the costume thing’s pretty traditional. The veterans get a laugh out of it, maybe someone pulls out an old photo a day or two later to show the rooks how ridiculous one of the vets looked when he was a rookie, yada yada yada. It’s harmless mockery, and acts as a way of making sure the new guys are putting the team ahead of the individuals. When a rookie refuses to take part in that stuff because he’s “too good” to be mocked in even so light-hearted a fashion, you start to worry about what he’ll be like as a teammate.
Honor is no substitute for victory.
Per Zolecki's Twitter
Dom was a cowboy…. :)
by dannijd on Sep 27, 2010 1:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Mike Zagurski, wearing a tight, sheer white sailor’s outfit, tips his cap to Roy Oswalt as he rolls his suitcase out the door.
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Mike Zagurski on his outfit…
"These pants are awesome."
So much win from your boy, so much win
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Sep 27, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Matt Gelb takes a stab at the postseason roster. No Kendrick, no Herdon, no Domonic Brown.
Catchers (2)
Carlos Ruiz®
Brian Schneider (L)
Infielders (7)
Ryan Howard (L)
Chase Utley (L)
Placido Polanco®
Jimmy Rollins (S)
Wilson Valdez®
Mike Sweeney®
Greg Dobbs (L)
Outfielders (5)Raul Ibanez (L)
Shane Victorino (S)
Jayson Werth®
Ben Francisco®
Ross Gload (L)
Pitchers (11)Roy Halladay (RHP)
Cole Hamels (LHP)
Roy Oswalt (RHP)
Joe Blanton (RHP)
Brad Lidge (RHP)
Ryan Madson (RHP)
Jose Contreras (RHP)
Chad Durbin (RHP)
J.C. Romero (LHP)
Antonio Bastardo (LHP)
Danys Baez (RHP) **
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/Taking_a_stab_at_the_postseason_roster.html
Looks about right
Although I’d be tempted to swap out Baez for Kendrick as a long man.
http://www.thegoodphight.com
I would definitely do that.
Baez 2010 FIP 5.39, xFIP 4.99, vs. righties FIP 4.72, xFIP 4.50
Kendrick 2010 FIP 4.92, xFIP 4.79, vs. righties FIP 4.27, xFIP 4.29
So Kendrick has more stamina and has been better overall.
I might consider Worley over Baez and Kendrick as long men.
5-8-10...the day the Purdue Boilermakers basketball team won the 2011 NCAA Championship!!
I don’t think I would. Worley’s MLE FIP this year was basically equivalent to Kendrick’s major league stats. I don’t think it’s a good idea to throw someone with 8 major league innings into that situation unless there’s a strong basis to expect him to do better than the alternatives, not just coin-flip odds.
I would much rather have Kendrick than Baez. Have him in case of injury or if needed to go 3-4 innings.
Definitely… Kyle is both a better pitcher this year and more able to go several innings if needed.
by dannijd on Sep 27, 2010 1:52 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Agreed Kendrick for Baez, and Brown for Dobbs
With all the off days and the Phillies starters they really could go with 10-man pitching staff. I do not think Baez provides anything more than Kendrick. It is not like either will pitch back to back days. Kendrick is absolutely more important if they get into an extra inning game or a starter goes out early after a game where the pen is exhausted. (Plus Kendrick is a better hitter, runner, and athlete though it appears Oswalt is the emergency LF.)
Dobbs is necessary more because he can play 3B than his hitting. Brown has much more value as a pinch runner. Both are unlikely to get a pinch hit: Dobbs because he sucks and Brown because he is overwhelmed. I would prefer the speed on the basepaths. However, Brown seems to have little baseball sense so maybe he will make poor decisions and cause more harm than good. If Brown is the ‘last man’ than Sweeney should take some grounders at 3B, just in case. He cannot be much worse than Dobbs.
Sweeney at 3B?
Agreed. Figured it is not much different than first and he should be able to throw being an ex-catcher.
Just trying to get Brown’s speed on the roster instead of Dobbs.
yes, but only for like 2 innings at most in an extra inning game where they’d run out of guys I think.
Think he had one ball hit to him and did ok.
I thought Chooch was signed as an amateur free agent (no draft for international players)… it is hard to see him as a 2B, though- maybe because I am so used to him behind the plate.
Yeah me neither.
Sadly, they need Dobbs, especially in light of how injury-prone both Rollins and Polanco have been this year. If Rollins goes down and Valtrex has to play, then Polanco gets hurt, you need Dobbs on the roster to cover 3rd base.
http://www.thegoodphight.com
Brown
Correct me if I am wrong but he has been picked off base and misplayed multiple balls in the OF. Also looks kinda lost at the plate (not that Dobbs would be any better). Charlie and Ruben (and others) seem to be saying ‘he needs more seasoning’.
I’d think “lacks baseball sense” would be more like Manny, who never learned to take good routes in left field. Most rooks end up in the “needs seasoning” category, because they just don’t have experience yet. If they’re still screwing up in the same ways after a few years, then they shift over to “lacks baseball sense.” To me, it’s a difference between hasn’t learned and can’t learn.
Honor is no substitute for victory.
Brown?
Is he really ready to be the starting RF next year?
Or does he need a year (or much of a year) at AAA, seeing as how he really does not have much experience at that level?
He better be, otherwise you’ll be watching Mayberry/Francisco or a Jose Guillen type FA play there for a year. I’d rather start the kid and let him grow into it.
Anybody copies Valdez, the Phillies legal team will cut you.
by Wet Luzinski on Sep 27, 2010 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
It was truly a terrible at-bat.
Shouldn’t even qualify as an at-bat.
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Anyone else see Jon Heyman’s latest article? Sabathia wants the Cy Young awarded by a computer program, not voters.
by phillies fan in bowie on Sep 27, 2010 1:54 PM EDT reply actions
Let me guess- Sabathia also wants WINS to be the most important statistic?
by dannijd on Sep 27, 2010 2:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
because being in a small market city like New York, no one is going to take notice of his accomplishments. Maybe the dolts who invented the BCS can be of help.
A couple of other journalistic scoops and insights from Heyman
The Yankees will likely be most focused on Cliff Lee as a free agent.
Agent Scott Boras does not believe the $66-million, four-year contract Jason Bay got from the Mets last winter is a comp for his client Jayson Werth. "Remember, with a platform year where Bay had many more home runs and RBIs, Holliday gets nearly double AFTER Bay signs,‘’ Boras said via text of the seven-year, $120 million contract Matt Holliday signed with the Cardinals last offseason. "The [Bay] signing (due to medical predisposition) had no impact on Holliday. Why should it have relevance to Werth or Crawford?’’
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/jon_heyman/09/24/questions.contenders/1.html
by Boundforbeach on Sep 27, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I like that he contends it doesn’t work now because voters “can’s see all the games”. To solve this, it should be decided by something which can’t see any games? If it comes down to stats, wouldn’t it be better to provide guidance for voters on which stats to consider and what weight to give stats vs. personal observation?
Rainout might not be such a bad thing tonight.
Since we’re likely to get the #1 seed, Game 1 of the NLDS will probably be next Wednesday. I would presume that Charlie will do whatever it takes to start Halladay in Game 1, even if it requires such rejiggering of the rotation and regardless of the fact that Hamels and Oswalt have been pitching just as well lately.
If Halladay pitches tonight, that will mean there will be eight days between this start and Game 1. Which means that there will be no way to schedule a final regular season start between tonight and Game 1 without having either that final regular season or Game 1 be on three days rest.
If we decide to forego that final regular season start and just give Halladay a long block of rest days between this game and Game 1, then I think seven days would be superior to eight. You don’t want him getting rusty or anything.
I was thinking the same thing earlier. Chances are Halladay will not need to make another regular season start. Even if by chance he did not win tonight, or tomorrow(if tonights game is rained out) the chances are pretty likely that between now and the end of the year we will manage to win 1 game, or one of the many teams behind us will take care of business for us.
5-8-10...the day the Purdue Boilermakers basketball team won the 2011 NCAA Championship!!
Yeah, the only reason why you’d want Halladay to make another start this year would be to keep him fresh. It would likely be on a strict pitch count. But even with a strict pitch count, I don’t think this is something you’d want him to do on short rest.
I agree…the only way I see Halladay possibly pitching after this start is if he comes into a game either to start, or as a reliever on one of his throwing days. Let him get an inning or two of work and call it a day.
5-8-10...the day the Purdue Boilermakers basketball team won the 2011 NCAA Championship!!
Don’t pitchers normally throw a side session between starts?
Could Halladay just forgo that and throw his side session during a game? Even if it’s like 3 innings and 50 pitches or something that are meaningless.
Anyone down in the DC area to give us the O/U on this game being played?
"Call me dumb, call me stupid, whatever. I block shots."
Here’s the radar
http://www.accuweather.com/us/radar/sir/va_/radar.asp?play=true
Looks like the yellow part of the storm that’s currently near Raleigh is going to miss DC to the right, so they might be able to get it in.
What we’re currently getting here in Raleigh you could play through. We haven’t had a downpour in about 12 hours. Currently, it’s mostly light drizzle with 5 minute burst of moderate rain. If this is what the conditions in DC are like this evening… game on.
It stormed all morning, and it hasnt rained in about an hour, but the skies are still gray. My guess is they will at least start it. The DC radio shows have said anything, they’re all still in post Skins depression.
by PhilliesPhan610 on Sep 27, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
And considering that the Skins lost to the RAMS yesterday (for the second year in a row and after playing well the last two weeks), I can not blame them.
Really want to see the game get played tonight— I know that this is the fourth trip to the playoffs in as many years, but it never gets old— and for Doc, Sweeney, and some of the bench, it is their first time, and I do not want to see a little bit of rain spoil it.
So I had the misfortune of listening to WIP today and during the changeover Eskin, Macnow, and Gargano were talking about whether winning the division is an achievement worth celebrating. The consensus seemed to be that no, it is not worth celebrating.
Of course, this is completely stupid because winning the division requires being a superior team over a stretch of 162 games while winning the World Series—all bullshit mystifications like “clutch,” “veteranability,” and “experience” aside—only requires winning 11 of at most 21 games. Hence, success in the playoffs is much more attributable to random variance (read: luck) than success in the regular season is.
All of this is to say that yes indeed, we SHOULD celebrate when/if the Phillies clinch the division.
Pessimism of the intellect, optimism of the will.
Tempered celebration is probably the way to go. Though I don’t agree with their overall premise, I do understand their general line of thinking…the Phillies have won the Division what will eventually be 4 years in a row and while that is great, the goal should be to win the World Series, and to them, you celebrate achieving a goal, not something that is, in their minds, a given.
5-8-10...the day the Purdue Boilermakers basketball team won the 2011 NCAA Championship!!
True, the goal is to win the WS, and they will obviously keep that in mind. But I guess what I’m trying to say is that not winning the WS shouldn’t be viewed as a negation of the more statistically meaningful feat of winning the division. Of course, it’s likely that it will be by many fans (and players too), but I’m just trying to get a jump on cutting against that view in the event that they do get knocked out before the WS.
Pessimism of the intellect, optimism of the will.
I have a fair amount of societal rage that we’re an increasingly “winner-take-all” culture. My father argues that it used to be a really big deal to win the pennant, and that the World Series had more of a Pro Bowl / exhibition feel. I’ve never seen this written anywhere, of course, but I love the guy, and think it at very least an interesting argument.
by Wet Luzinski on Sep 27, 2010 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I totally agree. For some reason, a lot of Americans have bought into the whole “second place is the first place loser” ethos, even though that would mean that the vast, vast majority of them are losers themselves.
I couldn’t agree more with this—what about that saying that it’s as much about the journey as the destination? I realize we don’t want to teach our kids that winning isn’t important, but if you don’t enjoy the ride and if winning really is the “only thing,” their lives are bound to be miserable.
Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est.
second place is the first place loser"
whoa…wait….most parents don’t feel this way now do they? Well….so long as every kid wins.
Tune in for the entire program, listen to 3:55 of Vick chatter, in hopes of hearing him expound on his theory of why winning a division title in MLB is not worth celebrating? I’ll pass.
I don’t think you read my initial comment because I attribute the above discussion to Eskin, Macnow, and Gargano during the changeover.
Pessimism of the intellect, optimism of the will.
my bad. Saw Macnow and Gargano, and Eskin didn’t register. I thought Eskin was only the afternoon drive guy (no WIP broadcast in NC….) which also supported my erroneous thinking.
Gotcha. And not having WIP in NC is by NO means a bad thing.
Pessimism of the intellect, optimism of the will.
by FuquaManuel on Sep 28, 2010 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions
I thought this “Dear John” letter on the Big League Stew blog was interesting for one reason and one reason only.
Please don’t let Ed Wade sign any more washed up ex-Phillies. Keep him focused on what he IS good at, which is finding good relievers on the scrap heaps.
Though I will re-affirm my position as TGP’s resident semi-defender of Wade, even I had a hard time believing that someone could praise him on this particular point. Could Ed have changed?
I guess for ever Bretty Myers signing there is a Pedro Feliz, and Geoff Geary…although, I thought Jason Michaels had turned into a pretty solid PH and extra OF.
5-8-10...the day the Purdue Boilermakers basketball team won the 2011 NCAA Championship!!
This intrigued
Wilsonian Democracy says:
September 27, 2010 at 3:01 pm
If I’m Philly, and especially if I’m getting a weak NL West lineup in Round 1, I seriously consider starting Oswalt in Game 1 and Halladay in Game 2. Halladay would currently be slated to throw in Game 162 on Sunday on 5 days’ rest. You give him a 3 inning tune-up there, then line him up for Game 2 and either Game 5 (if necessary) or Game 1 of the NLCS. That in turn leaves him available for Game 7 of an NLCS or to start Game 1 of the World Series.
by Wet Luzinski on Sep 27, 2010 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions
No Zimmerman this week
http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2010/09/27/ryan-zimmerman-likely-done-for-season/
This is a shame—I like him. One less weapon for the Nats, though.
Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est.
The first part is definitely true. But I have also liked Ron Darling and Bob Horner and Jeff Conine, despite their affiliations with hated teams.
He’s a good player that doesn’t talk a lot of crap and just plays hard. He’d look awfully good in red pinstripes, just saying.
Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est.
I would love to see Ryan Z as the Phillies third baseman. Not likely, but still.
by phillyinportland on Sep 27, 2010 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions
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