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Phillies Big Three: There Are No Locks

The conventional wisdom says that the Phillies not only are the best team in the National League, but are also particularly well-suited for postseason play. Having a top-heavy starting rotation featuring three ace-quality pitchers is perfect for the short series format. The Phillies will be favored in every series they play, with only the possible exception of the World Series.

All of those statements are true. But I've been hearing far too many people take their rhetoric one step too far and conclude that because the Phillies have the Big Three, they can't be beaten unless they "choke". This is a grievous error. The Big Three give the Phillies an advantage, but they guarantee nothing. No matter how great your starting pitchers may be, they cannot change the fact that the playoffs are a crapshoot.

In one of the threads yesterday evening, we discussed this article which shows that only two of the past twenty #1 seeds in either league have won the World Series. I want to look at this from a slightly different angle. Below the jump is a table listing eighteen of the most dominant starting pitchers of the past twenty years. They are somewhat randomly selected, but I don't think I've left out anyone really obvious. (Except for maybe John Smoltz - I omitted him because it would have been too much of a pain separating his stats as a starter from his stats as a reliever.) The second column lists each pitcher's "prime years" - this is unscientific, as all I did was eyeball all of their career stats, but I don't think any of them will be controversial. The remaining columns show: the postseason W-L record of each pitcher's teams in his postseason starts during his prime years, number of postseason starts, number of innings in those starts, BB/K ratio in those starts, ERA in those starts, and cumulative regular season ERA in the pitcher's prime years.

Star-divide

Pitcher Prime Yrs Team W-L PS GS PS IP PS BB/K PS ERA RS ERA
Brown 1992-2003 6-4 10 71.0 26/67 3.28 3.00
Carpenter 2004-pres. 7-2 9 58.1 19/38 2.93 2.99
Clemens 1986-2006 16-17 33 193.2 68/168 3.72 3.06
Cone 1988-1999 12-6 18 109.0 58/93 3.88 3.15
Glavine 1991-2002 16-16 32 201.1 80/137 3.44 3.15
Hamels 2007-pres. 7-3 10 60.2 17/52 3.86 3.45
Hudson 1999-pres. 2-6 8 46.0 16/30 3.91 3.42
Johnson 1993-2004 6-8 14 103.2 27/117 3.13 2.78
Lee 2008-pres. 5-0 5 40.1 6/33 1.56 3.01
Maddux 1988-2002 13-15 28 183.0 45/120 3.25 2.68
Martinez 1997-2005 6-5 11 72.1 23/71 3.48 2.47
Mussina 1991-2003 6-9 15 97.0 25/105 3.15 3.53
Oswalt 2001-pres. 5-2 7 44.2 19/30 3.63 3.19
Peavy 2004-2008 0-2 2 9.2 4/5 12.10 2.95
Sabathia 2006-pres. 5-4 9 55.1 26/51 4.55 3.14
Santana 2004-pres. 1-2 3 20.0 5/20 1.35 2.87
Schilling 1996-2004 8-3 11 78.0 12/76 1.85 3.23
Wainwright 2008-pres. 0-1 1 8.0 1/7 1.13 2.68

This is a veritable murderer's row of starting pitchers. Every guy on this list is (or was during his prime years) the equal of our current Big Three. Their teams' combined records in posteason games that they started? 121-105, for a winning percentage of only .535.

I don't want to overinterpret this data, but I think there's enough of it to prove one limited point: great pitchers lose in the postseason all the time. This is what happens when you play other good teams. No matter who you've got on your side, you're still going to lose nearly 50% of your games. Having a dominant pitcher helps, but it doesn't bring about a fundamental shift in that equation. Even a dominant pitcher will sometimes have a mediocre game when he goes up against a great lineup like, say, the Reds' or the Yankees'. In fact, dominant pitchers will sometimes even pitch poorly against not-so-great lineups, because dominant pitchers are human - it's just that we don't remember it as clearly when it happens in the regular season. And finally, a starter can pitch great and still lose if his opponent happens to pitch even better than him on that particular day. This seems to have happened on many occasions with the guys listed in the chart. Note that very few of them actually have bad postseason ERAs. Yet their teams were still beaten in over 46% of their starts.

If the Phillies get booted in the division series, we will all be disappointed. But I think a lot of people are raising their expectations so high that if the Phillies lose, they will inevitably respond not only with disappointment but also with bitterness against the team for "choking" or "mailing it in" or whatever other talk radio cliche you want to use. That would be wrong. We are going into the DS with an advantage, but we should expect and demand nothing. Instead, we should embrace the capricious nature of playoff baseball. Not only because it will make the games more fun and more exciting, win or lose, but most of all because it's the truth.

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by Michael Levin on Sep 28, 2010 4:45 PM EDT reply actions  

Great piece

I think this is important to remember. I think it goes with a general point of using human characteristics to describe a collective enterprise that involves a degree of luck. It’s even harder to do that when the collective enterprise involves competing against another team that is very good.

Question – did you look at all to see if these “top gun” pitchers have better records (or their teams have better records) in the various levels of the playoffs? Are they better in the wild card series than in the league series versus the World Series?

by David S. Cohen on Sep 28, 2010 4:46 PM EDT reply actions  

I didn’t, unfortunately. I was using the baseball-reference “highlight row” function to accumulate data during the chosen years, but I don’t think there’s a way to separate that out by level.

by taco pal on Sep 28, 2010 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

There is, but not easily. You would need to select from game logs. If you have a month to spare, it might be a mild divergence that will lead to you going insane a’la the film Pi.

by Cormican on Sep 29, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here, here

If the Phillies do lose, get ready for all the Cliff Lee MFers to come out of the closet again.

Oh, Lord, please win. The Eagles stuff is painful enough to have to hear about day in/day out.

Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est.

by doubleh on Sep 28, 2010 4:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Depends. What if Lee goes 0-2 in the ALDS and the Rangers get eliminated, but the Phillies lose in the NLCS with good to great performances from the Big 3.

by Cormican on Sep 29, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cliff Lee goes 0-2? Unpossible!

Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est.

by doubleh on Sep 29, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice post. I really did not feel different after the win last night. Maybe it is because I did not watch the game and the celebration or maybe its because the team has reached this before and I have bigger aspirations for the team. I will definitely be let down if the team does not win it all this year but you make a good point that nothing is guaranteed (no matter how many people tell you a Phils-Yankees WS is a lock at this point).

by JoshuaR on Sep 28, 2010 5:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Agreed

There is no such thing as a lock in baseball’s playoffs. Still, I find it amazing that anyone today would think the Yankees are a lock if they come in from the wild card slot. Having to win on the road twice against teams with the best, 4th & 5th best home records in the American League is not going to be easy. Texas may lack for postseason experience, but they have perhaps the best postseason pitcher ready to go in two of the first four games.
That said, I can imagine there are a lot of executives at Fox and MLB who are drooling over the ratings possibilities of a World Series rematch. Hard to believe, but Phillies-Yankees is the equivalent of Celtics-Lakers in the NBA. Less backstory, but a lot of buzz about the match the “fans” want to see.

by phillyinportland on Sep 28, 2010 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah but the Yankees are still a lock because of their “aura”. /gag/

More seriously: I think you’re right that the networks probably want the Phillies in this year. Which kind of sucks. I liked it much better when the networks wanted us to be eliminated.

by taco pal on Sep 28, 2010 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Plus the Yankees are relying on Burnett and Peitite who have both looked God awful of late. The playoffs reset things, but I wouldn’t be feeling good about that.

by Cormican on Sep 29, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Depends. What if Lee goes 0-2 in the ALDS and the Rangers get eliminated, but the Phillies lose in the NLCS with good to great performances from the Big 3.

by Cormican on Sep 29, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry, meant for doubleh.

by Cormican on Sep 29, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Another thing I learned in writing this post is that Greg Maddux was charged with a proverbial sh*tload of unearned runs in the playoffs throughout his career. A pitcher is sometimes partly responsible for unearned runs, but I’m not sure whether or not that was the case for Maddux. It would have been nice to look at FIP, xFIP, etc., but that would have required too much work if it’s even possible.

Glavine and Hudson also gave up a lot of unearned runs in their postseason starts. This might help to explain why the last two franchises with famous “Big Threes” disappointed so much in the playoffs.

by taco pal on Sep 28, 2010 5:08 PM EDT reply actions  

This is a pretty cool undertaking. Perusing these numbers, it’s difficult to detect anything but randomness (for me anyways). Santana is a perfect example. A 1.35 postseason ERA and only 5 walks in 20 innings pitched over three games with a record of 1-2. Cliff Lee has similar numbers but sits at a perfect 5-0.

At this point, the problem is perception. When the Phils picked up Oswalt and were many games out, how many articles were penned (both locally and nationally) that if only they somehow can make it to the post-season, then look out with this rotation. I was watching Baseball Tonight after last night’s game, and Kruk, Garciaparra and the other guy were gushing over the Phillies, even calling them the best team in all of baseball. And while it’s certainly fun to listen to this, it’s clear they are setting this up to be a freaking train wreck if they somehow don’t return to the Fall Classic.

But you gotta love our chances :)

by Boundforbeach on Sep 28, 2010 5:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Nice work, taco. Thanks for the dose of reality.

by schmenkman on Sep 28, 2010 5:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Agreed- Thanks for writing the thing that we all needed to read. Between the commentators drooling all over the team now, and the fact that the last two years have spoiled us as fans, we need to realize that all of this should be treasured— nothing is guaranteed, and we need to be thankful for and enjoy every minute of it!

by dannijd on Sep 29, 2010 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

I do like

that two of the big three are on this list and have respectable winning records and numbers in the postseason, hopefully that bodes well going forward with the only wildcard being the best pitcher in baseball, either way this is gonna be one exciting playoff run yet again!

by PhilsForever on Sep 28, 2010 6:05 PM EDT reply actions  

But it’s not just pitching, it’s the whole team game. Placido Polcano has been everything expected and more, giving us stellar defense at 3rd base and he ain’t even fully healthy yet. Between Valdez and Rollins, we got a pretty tight defensive tandem at shortstop. Ryan Howard has developed to be a solid defensive first baseman to go along with his bat.

With our good fielding, that helps the pitchers be more human and not have to make every perfect pitch. That might not have been the case with some of these other teams. They might not have a Ruiz, one of the best defensive catchers in the N.L, even if it goes un-noticed nationally, our pitchers know it and we know it: CHOOCH.

And offensively, I think it’s very premature to say that the old way of winning is done. I think that we’ve seen pitchers pitch very effectively this year for one thing. For another thing, they’ve been pretty hot offensively in september. Plus, anytime you have Howard, Utley, Werth, Victorino, Ibanez. Those core guys can hit a HR at any moment. Plus Utley and Victorino’s ability to get on base and steal those bases.

Madson and Lidge have revived to be a stellar 8th-9th inning combo and Joe Blanton is a fifth-man every team would like to have.

It’s not all on the pitching, the hype is for real: we’re stuffed at every position.

by LeQuan Glover on Sep 28, 2010 6:43 PM EDT reply actions  

What is clearly noticeable is that almost every pitcher on this list with a sample size of more than 10 postseason starts comiled an ERA in the 3s, the only exception being Curt Schilling, who compiled an almost superhuman postseason ERA of 1.85 in 11 starts.

The other thing I noticed was that CC Sabathia has been significantly worse in the postseason than in the regular season (including a much poorer K/BB ratio) and I’m wondering if it has anything to do with the fact that an oversized percentage (fully 1/3) of his career postseason starts have been against the Phillies.

by GTPinNJ on Sep 28, 2010 9:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Great piece, and dead on. The 2010 Phils are no more a lock than the Braves of the late ‘90s or Yankees of the mid-’00s.

by dajafi on Sep 28, 2010 11:01 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Smoltz

“Prime Years” = starter stats only, whole career

Team W/L – 17/10, GS = 27, 187.1 IP, 63BB / 178K, 2.74 ERA.

Love the “Dow 30,000” book — epic. Does CFA stand for certified F*$%# @$$hole?

by fphjr01 on Sep 29, 2010 9:11 AM EDT reply actions  

Sometimes I fear that the unintended consequence of sabermetric analysis will prove baseball is as much poker as it is sport.

by j reed on Sep 29, 2010 2:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Interesting thing to contemplate, and yes, I think it is doing that to a certain extent. Anyone who watches the “game of inches” for 5 minutes knows that luck plays a big role in the game. But until sabermetrics came along, the assumption (at least for me) was that the luck evened out over time, and certainly in the course of a single season. Now we can analyze and isolate that luck component better, and drill deeper to more specific causes of changes in performance.

by schmenkman on Sep 29, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

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