Some Phillies Links For You, September 29, 2010: Getting Work In, Rollins Hobbled, Three Aces
by WholeCamels on Sep 29, 2010 7:54 AM EDT
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Not surprising, leg injuries are tricky.
Moyer trying to work his way back onto postseason roster
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Bill Conlin: For Phillies, Werth is worth keeping
Jamie Moyer is off the books next season. That's $6.5 million. Raul Ibanez is off in 2012, $11.5 million more. Could Dave Montgomery find $11.5 million more to pay Werth next season (plus the $6.5 million saved on Moyer)? Then in 2012, he'll have the full $18 million to play with.
There's the little matter of Ryan Howard's contract extension too.
Halladay expected to start Game 1 of NLDS
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Hinske's pinch-hit 2-run homer leads Braves
Braves now lead NL Wild Card by 1 1/2 games over Padres, but got the news that they lost Martin Prado for the season.
2010 NL Playoff Race: Padres Lose Ground To Giants And Braves - SB Nation Bay Area
Giants extend their NL West lead to two full games.
Phils opt for 3-man rotation in NLDS
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Phillies begin playoff prep in loss to Nats
(Todd, it's OK, you can say they were hungover.)
Salisbury: Phils Face Decisions Before Postseason
Charlie Manuel has to decide who lives and who dies.
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Part of me wants the Phillies to finish over .600, mostly for aesthetic reasons, but also ‘cause it’d probably knock the Braves for a loop, too.
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Yes, that would be nice. They would have to win all 4 remaining. No team is over .600 at the moment, although the Rays (must win 4 of 5) and the Yankees (4 of 4) also have a shot.
The Braves are going to face a AAA team this weekend in their effort to win the Wild Card. If they don’t do it, they surely don’t deserve it.
The picture only gets completed when the Braves clinch the wild card on Billy Wagner’s last pitch of the season/ his career.
Medlen, Jurrjens, Saito, Prado, Jones. That’s a burning hulk of rat’s luck by the side of the road.
What’s the parallel?
Moyer, Blanton/Oswalt? (some hybrid), Madson, Utley, Polanco.
by Wet Luzinski on Sep 29, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
If only the padres had an offense
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I've been waiting my whole life for an Eagles Championship
RIP JJ
The three man rotation article terribly confused me. Did the Phillies already get to decide the NLDS schedule? I didn’t think we actually clinched best record in the NL yet…
Yes they have decided their NLDS schedule (they wisely picked the 8-day series) and the Phillies have clinched the best record in the NL in addition to home field advantage throughout the playoffs.
Now that's what I call high quality H2O!
But it’s so clever… werth sounds like worth… ugh. But the drumbeat is growing for us to resign him. Whether its the MASN announcers, our mediots, or the guys on Baseball Tonight, everyone is suggesting we simply can’t afford to lose his big right-handed bat if we hope to maintain this level of excellence. I’d like to see him stay too, but he’s gone. Foregone conclusion, right? Boras= Big $$. Does anyone really expect RAJ to make a “serious” pitch for him?
by Boundforbeach on Sep 29, 2010 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions
I presume that if we re-signed Werth, we’d dump Ibanez rather than having three corner OFs around. We probably wouldn’t get anything back for Raul though, and we also might have to pay a piece of his 2011 salary.
So if we re-sign him we’ll have these benefits:
- Werth will be better than Ibanez in 2011
- We’ll be solid at the corner OF positions for the rest of Werth’s prime
But it will be balanced by these costs:
- We’ll pay about $6-10 million extra for that added production in 2011, which may or may not be worth it
- We might not actually benefit much from having Werth for the rest of Werth’s prime, since we could conceivably acquire or develop another replacement in 2012
- We’ll probably be stuck paying Werth $18 million or so for a few years after his prime is over
- Forgoing two draft picks
regarding added production, Werth’s at 4.9 (baseball-reference) WAR this year compared to Ibanez’s 0.9. that’s pretty substantial.
Werth did hit much better (overall) this year than the last 2 years, so one could expect some regression. but he was still at 4.2 WAR in 2008 and 3.2 WAR in 2009. and of course, Ibanez is going to be 39 next year. 39-year-old outfielders aren’t known for their productivity or durability (http://bbref.com/pi/shareit/mQejE). even the best case scenario for Ibanez isn’t that great.
that doesn’t mean I endorse signing Werth no matter what, of course. the terms of the contract make a huge difference, as do the other options. I don’t think I would want the Phillies going past, say, 4 years / $18M, which I could easily see him exceeding.
by perfectdepth on Sep 29, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Bonds’ 2004 is included in this list, and juiced or not, that guy was incredible. .362/.609/.812 (1.422 OPS) at age 40. I haven’t looked at his data much recently, but he had some unbelievable splits, including:
- he came to bat 108 times with men on 2nd and/or 3rd (first base open)
- in those 108 PAs, he was intentionally walked 76 times, and walked a total of 84
- in the 24 PAs when he wasn’t walked, he had this line: .417/.417/.1.167 (1.583 OPS)
- overall for the 108 PAs: .417/.870/1.167 (2.037 OPS)
Regardless of the situation an OBP of .870 is ridiculous over that many plate appearances. It is truly astonishing the extent to which Barry Bonds has been erased from our consciousness over the last three seasons.
by phillyinportland on Sep 30, 2010 3:37 AM EDT up reply actions
4 years totaling 18M or 4 years at 18 M per year? Personally I’d rather be right at or just over 17M per year.
$18M total? only in Ruben Amaro’s unbearably smug dreams.
;)
by perfectdepth on Sep 29, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
That Moyer story is being repeated by Jerry Crasnick at ESPN and other outlets. He couldn’t pitch in the NLDS, but is hoping for a return thereafter. I’m really not sure what to make of this. I mean if he’s healthy and can be effective, why not? But that’s a couple of big IFs and I’m sure I would be chewing my fingernails off if he came in for a high leverage situation in middle relief. If H20 + Blanton can go deep in games, it’s likely he would never even pitch. This wil be interesting…
I think the argument is actually would you rather have Moyer than Baez, Bastardo or Kendrick.
I’d rather have Brown or Sweeney than Dobbs, but Dobbs offers flexibility, in that he is marginal defensively at multiple positions, while Brown and Sweeney are only Marginal at 1 each.
Looking at the roster numbers again, 2 of the 3 will likely make it. so you could have Brown and Sweeney.
Dobbs was great in 2008, but sadly, that was 2 years ago, and while he’s shown some flashes of decency at the plate, the overall trend is crap. He’s turned into Adam Dunn, except replace BBs with IFFs and reduce the number of homers drastically.
Dobbs really has no business being on the playoff roster. He’s a bad PHer this year, and while his defense offers ‘flexibility’, I’d have to contend that if it gets so bad they need Dobbs to play 3rd base, then they’re pretty much screwed anyway. Any clown off the bench can likely play OF as well as him, including Roy Oswalt.
This business of Moyer returning for middle relief in the NLCS or World Series is a nice fantasy, and in the movie version, he would save the day in Game 7 vs. the Yankees, and walk off the mound into a glorious sunset while some inspirational music swelled in the background.
However…
He has been doing what?…a few throws in the bullpen?
He hasn’t been playing in game situations.
Do we want him to be shaking the rust off or tuning up by pitching in the NLCS or World Series?
Am I missing something?
Or is this just a wonderfully nostalgic baseball-romantic dumb idea?
What’s the risk? If you remember, Moyer came back from a serious injury to pitch this season and was having a tremendous season. If he’s healthy and if the doctors okay him, what’s the risk of him being one of our relievers? We’re not adding some young guy, we’re adding a guy with experience and huge locker room support. If anyone can make it work, it’s Moyer.
Even if Moyer doesn’t make it to the HOF, IMO guys he should be a lock for the wall what a class act :).
by LeQuan Glover on Sep 29, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Todd Zolecki reports he’s only throwing 4 seamers. If that’s all he can throw I’ll pass.
by wattmilliams on Sep 30, 2010 4:09 AM EDT up reply actions
TBS broadcasting teams
A Team: Ernie Johnson, John Smoltz, Ron Darling
B Team: Dick Stockton, Bob Brenly
C Team: Brian Anderson, Joe Simpson
D Team: Don Orsillo, Buck Martinez
In Studio: Matt Winer, Dennis Eckersley, Cal Ripken, David Wells
No Chip Caray!
Chip Caray
Think this is a response to the negative criticism he received last year or because the Braves are the likely WC team (to maintain unbiased commentating)?
I thought he got fired from TBS after last year because he was so horrible.
Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est.
You are right. It appears that horribleness is the explanation. How about that? /tmac
http://nymag.com/daily/sports/2009/12/the_man_who_took_down_chip_car.html
And if that guy really is able to get PBP guys fired, I have a list for him to target next. First up, Tim McCarver!
Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est.
Caray is very very bad, but what struck me ist that Richard Sandomir is a very hard guy to like. Critiquing taped, or even just rehearsed, performances is one thing, but to sit there and nit pick an unscripted live event is something else entirely. This old chestnut from Teddy Roosevelt comes to mind. Of course listening to Caray makes you appreciate the PBP guys who do it well, which I suppose is the point of the criticism.
The biggest problem Caray faces is that a lot of people assume the only reason he has an announcing job is his last name. Performances like last year’s train wreck do nothing to dispel that notion. It’s a tough job and you can let a few mistakes slide, but Caray’s performance was weak to the point of suggesting poor preparation or deer in headlights fear of being on a National stage.
Since we don’t have a current off-topic thread going, I stumbled across this weird, disturbing website titled 21st Century Manual. The latest post is titled “sports vs games” and argues that cricket is a real sport and baseball isn’t. http://www.21stcenturymanual.com/?p=553
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no rain tonight!!
Or else!!
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by RememberthePhitans on Sep 29, 2010 3:36 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Nah, because we are going to the game.
by WanderingMoses on Sep 29, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
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