When the Washington Generals Start Winning (or, How the Phillies' Current Run Is Ruining My Identity)
Being a diehard Phillies fan has been a major part of my world for the past three decades. It has not only occupied an embarrassing amount of time in my life, but it has also built relationships with friends and family and shaped my personality and identity.
Being a Phillies fan has always meant something particular. It meant suffering. After all, over 10,000 losses (thankfully, I've been alive for only a small portion of them) doesn't induce much celebration. And let's be honest -- as much as it was painful, did Joe Carter's home run really surprise you at all? As Phillies fans, that was our lot in life. We get hooked on an imperfect yet likeable team that surmounts the odds and dominates, but then we get crushed. That's just par for the course for a Phillies fan, and we all knew that when it happened. The only difference was that it happened in October rather than earlier in the season.
Being a Phillies fan also meant identifying with the underdog. Back before I got old and when I used to indulge in such things, being a Phillies fan meant liking Pepsi instead of Coke, Burger King instead of McDonalds. They were the underdogs after all, and that's what I, a Phillies fan, was drawn to. It meant rooting for the Atlanta Braves when they faced the New York Yankees in the World Series because what Phillies fan would ever root for the dominant powerhouse Yankees, even if it meant rooting for your hated rival.
Although certainly the Phillies never approached this level of futility, being a Phillies fan was like being a fan of the Washington Generals. For those who are too young to remember, the Washington Generals were the regular opponent of the Harlem Globetrotters. Given that the Globetrotters and their acrobatics were the attraction, the Generals were almost always the loser in the exhibitions. In their games between 1952 and 1995, the Generals lost over 13,000 games, while winning only 6, none after 1971. Before they retired the team in 1995, the Generals had lost somewhere in the neighborhood of 7,968 games in a row.
As a fan of the Generals or the Phillies, you rooted for the underdog. You expected bad things to happen. You prayed they wouldn't, and enjoyed every moment they didn't, but you knew, ultimately, that your team was doomed to failure. That's just the way it was.
Until now.
This is a different franchise. People who are just now coming into Phillie fandom, whether because of age, geography, or new found interest in winning baseball, have a completely different conception of this team. Look: It's got a shiny new stadium that is a great place to watch a game! The roster is filled with exceptionally talented individuals many of who came up through the farm system and want to stay here! Free agents want to come here! The owners care and spend money on talent! The team has had over one hundred "sell outs" in a row!
And the team wins. Four straight NL East championships. Two straight World Series appearances. One World Series championship. And hopefully more to come this year and beyond.
That record is astounding for any franchise, but in particular for this one. It would be like the Generals winning two games in a row against the Globetrotters.
And for someone whose identity is, in non-trivial ways, tied to this franchise, this change is as befuddling as it is welcome. Do I start identifying with the favorite over the underdog? Do I choose Coke over Pepsi? Do I, *gasp*, root for the Yankees (when they're not facing the Phillies, of course)?
Because this is who this franchise has become. We are the powerhouse. We are the over-spenders. We are the favorites. We are the dominant team. We, as fans, have to get used to this new sporting world . . . as much cognitive dissonance that that may cause in our personal world.
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Ha ha. Brilliant.
Perhaps it will provide some comfort to think that those who first became fans in 1975 or 1976 probably struggled through the same dilemma. Luckily, after dealing with doubtlessly the same inner turmoil for several years, they were saved from their non-Phillie-ness by 20 straight losing seasons.
I’ve never rooted for the Braves, even when facing the (less-talented, Torre-led) Janks… is that so wrong?
"He's a bum...this one stinks...this jerk can't play."-- A father teaching his daughter the Phillies lineup from the program roster, the Vet, c.1998
It’s interesting to compare the Phillies with other historical losers in baseball.
The pre-2004 Red Sox were losers, but they were losers who would nearly reach the summit before being crushed by fate.
The Cubs are more similar to us, as they are outright losers – while sometimes cursed, they have more often been just plain bad. But they are loved and celebrated for their losing.
The Phillies, historically, have been neither. They’ve just been a bad team, full stop. Hopeless, destitute, ignored, unloved, identified with thugs and villains, viewed with distaste and scorn instead of pity. When we lose, we lose in obscurity. Rooting for the Phillies is just a totally different experience from rooting for those other teams, and maybe from any other team in all of American sports.
Things might be changing now, but I think there will still be some continuity between the old and new Phillies fandoms. We won’t ever be like the Yankees or the Braves or the Dodgers or any other team’s fan base – our local culture makes that impossible. We lost in our own unique way, and we’ll win in our own unique way.
by taco pal on Sep 29, 2010 4:05 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
since we’re tripping down memory lane, I vaguely recall some of the Phillies players recalling conversations prior to winning in ‘08 that "this is a tough town, but if we win here, it’ll be better than anywhere"… or something to that effect.
by Boundforbeach on Sep 29, 2010 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree that Philadelphia sports fans are unique. And part of that comes from being the city that doesn’t measure up to New York or Boston in terms of financial or cultural clout. But I think a comparison with Boston sports fans in general isn’t that far off – at least before 2002, when the Sox fans knew somehow, some way the Red Sox would find a way to lose, and the Patriots were an afterthought in football. Overall, the teams aren’t that similar but there is still something of the underdog mentality in both areas, and the Red Sox’ and Patriots’ successes aren’t totally unlike the successes of the Phillies and the Eagles.
by phillyinportland on Sep 29, 2010 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Beautiful stuff. Now it probably surprises those who quote the 10,000 loss number, and most Philies fans even, that they’ve been over .500 dating all the way back to 1962.
Interesting. I’m curious though – when did that become the case? Is it only because of the dominant teams over the past several years? Or has this been true for a while?
by David S. Cohen on Sep 29, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
i'm sure schmenk will get the math but...
1962-1967: winning seasons
1968-1974: losing seasons
1975-1986: winning or .500 seasons (except one)
1987-2000: losing seasons (except one)
2000-2010: winning seasons (except one)
Right, so in terms of cumulative winning percentage, starting in 1962, they were over .500 until 1970, dipped below through 1977 then climbed back over in 1978. Stayed over .500 through 1995 (except for a one-year dip in 1992), and then were in the .490s from 1996 on, before crossing back over with the ’09 season.
At the moment they are 46 games over since ‘62, so assuming things don’t go completely pear shaped next year, the Phillies will have a winning record over a 50-year period. Woo-hoo!
Interesting stuff. Given that they were over .500 through 1995, I’m surprised they weren’t back over .500 until 2009 given that they’ve been winning since 2000. But, I guess that just goes to show how bad the late 90s were (and how mediocre the early 2000s were, even if winning).
by David S. Cohen on Sep 29, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Good piece (which I almost never say about Brooks). I doubt any Mets fan would agree with this line anymore: “The history of the Mets teaches that miracles happen and the universe is a happy place.”
by David S. Cohen on Sep 29, 2010 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Nice piece - even if it is five years old
I think my allegiance to the Phillies must be the second type: “the love of a team is primarily a psychological connection. It is a bond forged during a lifelong string of shared emotions.” Maybe it says something about a reluctance to abandon something that still feels important even when there are good reasons to move on to something newer. In my own case there has not been a replacement team that made staying loyal to the Phillies difficult. Since leaving Philadelphia over 30 years ago I’ve never lived in another city with major league baseball, so I don’t have the temptation to join a new club.
by phillyinportland on Sep 29, 2010 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions
This really hits home David. This undercurrent of waiting for inevitable disappointment has been a recurrent theme for a long, long time. That’s why it is agonizing, but not at all surprising, when Jeff Carter can’t lift the puck over a sprawled out goalie to win the game in the waning seconds in regulation in Game 6 of the Cup Finals. This is why McNabb allegedly pukes in the 4th quarter of the Superbowl when they were leading at halftime. It took A.I. and the Sixers an overtime period to beat the Lakers in just one game in the finals before losing the next four. And, as you point out, the Mitch Williams fiasco in 1993.
I was apoplectic in the 2008 World Series when Selig waited… and waited.. and waited… in the midst of a monsoon to suspend a game until it had been tied. I just knew that would somehow come back to bite us, we would lose the WS, and it would be another chapter of horrible wrongs in Philadelphia sports history. I suspect Cleveland fans also know this feeling.
What struck me like a thunderbolt was last week when I was perusing the Talking Chop threads. Their fans were derisively calling us the Philadelphia Yankees, bitching about our payroll, stadium, high priced talent, Halladay and Oswalt. And I thought, my god, things have really changed. This is great fun. Let’s just hope the good times continue to roll.
and drinking Pepsi instead of Coke??? That’s crazy talk.
by Boundforbeach on Sep 29, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions
no use denying the high payroll, but seriously, the comparison with the Yankees is superficial at best:
Not only is most of their talent home-grown, but when the Phillies have acquired talent they have paid for it with premium prospects. The Yankees have the option to pass on a mid-year trade because they know they can just buy the talent when it hits free agency during the off-season.
He’s spinning the ball on his finger! Just take it! That game was rigged. They were using a freakin’ ladder for God’s sake!
by ThinMountainAir on Sep 29, 2010 6:23 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I actually had to explain to a non-fan why the Phillies aren’t the “Yankees of the NL”
by Sept.28.Oct.27.Dec.28.2008 on Sep 29, 2010 6:26 PM EDT reply actions
We ARE the Yankees of the NL. I know our tradition is middle class and all, but to be a winner you’ve got to act like it. You’ve got to say “damn it, every game’s winnable”. You’ve gotta yell at the refs for Houston and for the Mets timeout. We’re the Yankees of the NL, we deserve special treatment and we deserve every analyst saying “Phillies win series”.
We deserve nothing. We are not entitled to any one thing, and that arrogance only makes the eventual fall that much harder. I’d much rather be the Fightin’ Phils then the Favored Phils, because while we may yet be an unstoppable Juggernaut, the Phillies, this fanbase, this city, will do it in spite of everything.
"I remember being three and I wanted to be a baseball player, that's all I ever really wanted to be. That and Spider Man." -Raul Ibanez
by Jose and the Contrarians on Sep 29, 2010 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions
The Fightin's
Goddamn, yes. I don’t care what they call ’em, hell yeah, I expect them to kick ass.
"He's a bum...this one stinks...this jerk can't play."-- A father teaching his daughter the Phillies lineup from the program roster, the Vet, c.1998
Awesome
Per @Globies on Twitter
enjoyed your blog comparing Phillies to Generals (http://bit.ly/c6y0Zf) – but the Generals still exist. And they STILL lose!
Over 2 million fans saw us beat them last year in 270 games on our tour. You are correct the Generals haven’t won since 1971.
the Globetrotters even beat the Generals on the Spectrum roof in Philly in ’09. See this ESPN clip http://bit.ly/aUDyDN
http://www.thegoodphight.com
Awesome!
Pessimism of the intellect, optimism of the will.
by FuquaManuel on Sep 29, 2010 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Now that’s cool.
That's great Bobby, but we don't have Dance Dance Revolution, so... you're dumb.
by alcatraz0109 on Sep 29, 2010 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Very very cool! I saw that the Generals got back together in 2007, but I thought it was just for a one game show. Didn’t realize they were back for good. Thanks for the clarification!
by David S. Cohen on Sep 30, 2010 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions
I go back a ways with the Phils(Del Unser{while he was still playing} appeared at our little league baseball banquet). But I rooted for the Yanks when they played the Braves in the WS. I really do not like the Braves(apart from Greg Maddux). All those division titles seemed to be piled upon my enjoyment of the game like so many giant rocks. I have a new,albeit small fear of playing them in the playoffs this year as well.
But I do not care if we’re considered big market now, I’m just loving this period in the history of Phillies baseball, which is easily the most successful EVER.
































