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Let us take a moment to praise Charlie Manuel | HardballTalk
Maybe not the best day to run this, after last night's "difficulties," but Charlie's level-headedness has preserved the Phillies' season in many ways.

Phillies undecided on fifth starter
Oh man, Kyle Kendrick with the martyr act. Jeeeeeezus...

Paul Hagen: Victorino's on-field contributions catching up to his charitable works
Shane Victorino is having an odd season. Spike in power but the AVG is so far down, and the walk rate is down slightly. Lots of his struggles are a function of his inability to hit lefties this season.

Philadelphia Phillies broadcast crew doesn't match team's success
This guy is kind of saying what we're all thinking...

Phillies Notebook: Phillies reliever Baez says he's ready to contribute
"I'm not dead yet!"

Hamstring tightness, dehydrations, but Rollins expected to be OK
Give him some Pedialyte and let him watch cartoons on the couch all day today.

May pitches Lakewood to Game 1 win

The 20-year-old May set a franchise playoff record with 13 strikeouts in 6 2/3 scoreless innings. A year ago in the playoffs, he threw 11 shutout innings in two starts. May walked one and allowed four hits Wednesday as Lakewood took the first game in the best-of-three series.

Nice to see that Trevor May is already a big-game pitcher! (ducks)

Local kid wins Home Run Derby
Between Mike Trout and now this kid, Millville is becoming a true hotbed of talent.

Zoo With Roy: Mike Sweeney Punching Jeff Weaver In the Face!!!
This went up over the weekend but it definitely deserves more attention. Zoo With Roy, kids.

Star-divide

Lowe beats Pirates again as Braves win 9-3
Definitely too much to ask for a sweep from the Pirates. Two-out-of-three is awfully good for such a bad team.

Troy Tulowitzki Hits Two Home Runs In Rockies 9-2 Rout Over Reds - Purple Row
And like that, the Phillies have the best record in the National League.

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“I’m getting hurt by leaving pitches up,” Kendrick said. “I’m missing over the plate and that’s about it.”

Kendrick said he went through a similar period in August and September of 2008, but attributed that to a lack of confidence. This time, he’s just not sure what’s causing his struggles.

Kyle, I’m sorry to have to be the bearer of bad news, but I think the problem is that you just aren’t very good.

by ThinMountainAir on Sep 9, 2010 8:45 AM EDT reply actions  

He actually is getting unlucky of late though. He should give up 4.75-5.00 per nine. He isn’t really a 7.00 ERA pitcher or whatever.

by taco pal on Sep 9, 2010 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but a 5.00 ERA pitcher still qualifies as not all that good, in my book. This is also the first time Kendrick has gotten an eye roll from me. He’s usually a stand up guy. I understand his frustration and I can see a complaint or two, but keep it in house. Complain to Mrs. Kendrick or one of the Roys, but shut up about it to anyone who needs a badge to get in.

by Cormican on Sep 9, 2010 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Considering that Manuel never puiblicly throws players under the bus, Dubee was the one out of line.

by j reed on Sep 9, 2010 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Definitely, it isn’t very good. However, it does show that his current struggles, which go far beyond that, are not solely or even primarily the result of his lack of ability.

by taco pal on Sep 9, 2010 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

No, the 5.00 range FIP is solely the result of his lack of ability. Sorry couldn’t resist. I actually don’t think he’s completely useless, but I do think his future’s in the bullpen. For that reason, this may actually be good for him to move there and settle in for the playoffs. His assertion that everyone else gets a free ride is ridiculous though (See Moyer, Jamie this time last year.)

by Cormican on Sep 9, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

His current struggles are therefore the result of extremely bad luck, since he has a 7.00 ERA in his last five starts. He is nowhere near that bad.

by taco pal on Sep 9, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

love the announcer link. It’s a shame that nothing will come of the poll that has Franzke as the best announcer by a mile.

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by layout ultimate on Sep 9, 2010 9:05 AM EDT reply actions  

I think Jackson is substantially better than Franzke. Franzke looks better than he really is because of the inevitable comparison to T-Mac.

by taco pal on Sep 9, 2010 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

I still despise his overuse of chop, chopper, chops, chopped, etc….
Every ground ball involves some iteration of ‘chop’.

by Bilzo on Sep 9, 2010 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

I like Franzke. Something about Jim Jackson’s voice bothers me. It’s like he’s not making enough of an effort to clearly enunciate.

by schmenkman on Sep 9, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

T-Mac isn’t terrible. He just doesn’t do anything that makes him special. I don’t live in Philly, so on MLB Extra Innings, I often have to listen to the other team’s announcers. T-Mac is WAY less obnoxious than Bob Carpenter for the Nats. He really doesn’t do anything different from Gary Cohen, and I think Cohen is well liked. T-Mac just comes from the school that you have to say something and always have energy, and trust me, this is what all broadcasters are taught these days. He is no different from any other TV play by play man under the age of 55. Granted, this does not make him great, but it does not make him the worst broadcaster either.

T-Mac is what he is, and I think we will just have to accept the fact that the days of the unique play by play guy are over.

by threezerofour on Sep 9, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I actually kind of agree with this. T-Mac isn’t the worst broadcaster on earth. He’s a C- PBP man. Franzke is a B- and Jackson is a B+.

by taco pal on Sep 9, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed. The PBP way has changed—if you listen to the younger folks nowadays, they like it. I spoke with a Yankees fan a few years ago who said he couldn’t stand Kalas and Scully, because there was “too much dead air”.

It’s a shame but people seemingly have shorter attention spans these days, so everything is changing to cater to the newer generations.

Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est.

by doubleh on Sep 9, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Decades ago, the idea of dead air on a broadcast was sacrilege. It was a better time.

by Shazbot on Sep 9, 2010 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions  


Decades ago, the idea of dead air on a broadcast was sacrilege. It was a better time.

Tell that to my bleeding ears when I listen to vin scully do a baseball game.

The dead air idea is an archaic holdover of radio when you were dependent on the announcer to tell you what you can’t see. This new fangled tv allows you to see.

by SportingFanaticism on Sep 9, 2010 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

A lot of the time it is a failure of brain rather than a failure of mouth. If I want someone to shut up in a broadcast, it’s almost always when they are talking about something stupid rather than the game.

by Shazbot on Sep 9, 2010 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

80% of the time Vin Scully isn’t talking about the game (No i dn’t consider home spun stories about a kids dads prom date relevant to the game)

by SportingFanaticism on Sep 10, 2010 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

McCarthy would be fine, doing a national broadcast on FOX or ESPN. Doing regular PBP for the Phillies, he’s awful.

by phatj on Sep 9, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like Franske better than Jackson as well, although JJ isn’t terrible. I agree with you on the voice thing, although my issue with JJ is that he tends to change vocal speeds frequently, which I find annoying. None of the Phillies’ broadcasting crew, though, is nearly as irritating as some of the other crews in our division. Listening to Wheels ramble about hanging cutters middle-in is nowhere hear as bad as HIS NAME IS DAAAAN UGGLA.

by ThinMountainAir on Sep 9, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed that we could certainly do much worse. I was driving in North Jersey recently listening to a Mets game and I found it hard to believe these guys had the gig. It sounded like a “broadcaster for a day” promotion. The Yankees team is equally annoying but maybe they grow on you — it’s high, it’s deep, yadda yadda.

by schmenkman on Sep 9, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mike Sweeney…dragging his left a little bit, that’s sure to hurt him in the later rounds

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~Thomas Jefferson

by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Sep 9, 2010 9:11 AM EDT reply actions  

nice lol

The helmet throw was great too

How's your wife and my kids?

by BudVugger on Sep 9, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

I guess you don’t expect professional athletes to be humble and self-aware all of the time, but there are plenty of guys who are no worse than Kyle Kendrick and never really get a shot at starting in the majors at all.

by SethC on Sep 9, 2010 9:20 AM EDT reply actions  

Millville? Can anything good come from there?

by taco pal on Sep 9, 2010 10:10 AM EDT reply actions  

Lucas Mooneyham is an awesome name. Future Moniker Madness Champ right there.

by taco pal on Sep 9, 2010 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

if you don’t like SJ, please don’t drive through. Just stay in Pennsy and quit screwing up our traffic every weekend.

by Bilzo on Sep 9, 2010 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wait, I thought you lived in North Carolina?

by Cormican on Sep 9, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

I do. I still have strong SJ native pride.

by Bilzo on Sep 9, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Admiral Wilson Blvd is something to be proud of

(Raise your hand if you remember the MMR Admiral Wilson Blvd song)

by SportingFanaticism on Sep 9, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

So this Rollins thing is worrisome to me because I worry it’s an indication of his body aging (his baseball age as it were) to the point where he just won’t stay healthy during a season and small injuries last longer than they should and reoccur too often in the same area.

by SportingFanaticism on Sep 9, 2010 11:20 AM EDT reply actions  

Agreed. More concerning is their lack of depth at his position in the minors. Seems like all their eggs are in the Rollins basket, at the minimum for next year. Unless he completely breaks down, I expect them to resign him past next season.

Looking forward to the Kevin Kolb era.
5-8-10...the day the Purdue Boilermakers basketball team won the 2011 NCAA Championship!!

by EREX21 on Sep 9, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

He was dehydrated and couldnt even take BP. I have a feeling the quad tightened up on him because of that. I think the calf thing was a fluke and I dont think he’s more ‘injury prone’ than anyone else his age.

by Nikk.m on Sep 9, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

err – hamstring, not quad

by Nikk.m on Sep 9, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

No offense to Jimmy, but seriously, how hard is it to remember to drink some water, or gatorade?

by SportingFanaticism on Sep 9, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe he had the runs.

by taco pal on Sep 9, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

If so, he was raking last night and should get the “runs” more often.

by Get A Grip on Sep 9, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Put him on the all-Olestra diet?

by taco pal on Sep 9, 2010 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

ugh
“The other guys are kind of perfect all the time,” Kendrick said. “You’ve got to be perfect, I guess. I’ve had some struggles. I’ve got to work through them.”

The other guys are:

—Roy Halladay, one of the 3-4 best pitchers in the game, having a great season
—Cole Hamels, former NLCS and World Series MVP, having a great season
—Roy Oswalt, who’s won about 150 games in the big leagues and is having a great season
—Joe Blanton, who isn’t having a great season but has a half-decade of solid work and still almost always delivers six-plus innings of decent work

They’re not “perfect all the time,” Kyle. They’re just much, much, much better than you, and they’ve earned a lot more slack than you have.

by dajafi on Sep 9, 2010 12:03 PM EDT reply actions  

At this point, after those comments, I think a change of scenery would be best for Kyle.

Looking forward to the Kevin Kolb era.
5-8-10...the day the Purdue Boilermakers basketball team won the 2011 NCAA Championship!!

by EREX21 on Sep 9, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

It would be best for the phillies if they had another option that was inexpensive and reliable.

I think for Kyle, it wouldn’t make a damn bit of difference because a change of scenery doesn’t change your aability

by SportingFanaticism on Sep 9, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

You’re right it doesn’t, but it can change your mindset.

Looking forward to the Kevin Kolb era.
5-8-10...the day the Purdue Boilermakers basketball team won the 2011 NCAA Championship!!

by EREX21 on Sep 9, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

but it can change your mindset.

Maybe the phillies can trade kendrick for colby rasmus.

Both need the ‘change of scenery’

by SportingFanaticism on Sep 9, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ok, thats find if you want to act like a change of scenery means nothing then so be it, no sense in arguing with you about it, especially when you response shows you clearly do not understand the point I was making from the beginning.

Looking forward to the Kevin Kolb era.
5-8-10...the day the Purdue Boilermakers basketball team won the 2011 NCAA Championship!!

by EREX21 on Sep 9, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I understand the point you were making from the beginning, I just feel it’s a ridiculous point and brought up Rasmus to reinforce it.

Your mental state is your mental state, if you need a ‘change of scenery’ to refresh your mental state you need a change of profession.

in my opinion

by SportingFanaticism on Sep 9, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s absurd.

by phatj on Sep 9, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

There are plenty of people who benefit from a change of scenery. Not just athletes. The comments from Kendrick read as someone who doesn’t feel appreciated. He feels like the other starters can do no wrong but yet he is thrown under the bus when he does do something wrong. If that is the case and that is how he feels then he would benefit greatly from being somewhere where that team wants him.

I never once said it would make him a better pitcher, as you pointed out, where you play has little effect on his natural ability, though it could have an effect on the outcome of his performances, all I did say was that a change of scenery would benefit him.

Looking forward to the Kevin Kolb era.
5-8-10...the day the Purdue Boilermakers basketball team won the 2011 NCAA Championship!!

by EREX21 on Sep 9, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

As someone who benefited greatly from a change of scenery, but not profession, I agree.

by Cormican on Sep 9, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

in all fairness…Zebulon is likely way better than suburban Philly.

If you can get something of reasonable return for Kendrick which has potential, I’d agree that it could be a win-win for all involved parties. The public criticism from Dubee probably really didn’t help though.

by Bilzo on Sep 9, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I actually meant offices (both jobs are only 10 minutes from each other). Also you may be the first person ever to type the sentence Zebulon is way better than suburban Philly. I like both areas, but sometimes at work people grow to grate on each other, and sometimes a change of boss can be greatly helpful.

by Cormican on Sep 9, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

amen to the change of boss.

by Bilzo on Sep 9, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

If your change of scenery is to Coor Fields it can effect your ability.

by j reed on Sep 9, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Does it, or does it affect the probable outcomes of batted balls due to the thinner air?

by SportingFanaticism on Sep 9, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Then thinner air significantly reduces the lift coefficient ( theoretical lift / measured lift ) where the theoretical lift is

(4/3) x (4 x 3.14^2 x S x B^3 x D x V) where S = spin, B = radius, V = velocity, D= air density

 by more than 50% so fastballs have less movement and off speed pitches less break. With less moisture in the thinner air balls dry out quickly and become harder and slicker which diminishes a pitcher’s grip. Grip determines the spin and this inturn affects the speed, movement and/or break of the ball.

by j reed on Sep 9, 2010 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seriously, that’s very cool. I’ve wondered about the physics of Coors Field for a while but was too lazy to look it up.

by ThinMountainAir on Sep 9, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

There’s also The Physics of Baseball by Robert K. Adair. It’s a decent book but not exactly written for the layman or the enginner so it’s not overly technical but some rudimentary understanding of classical mechanics might be required. You can get it at Borders for 13 duckets.

by j reed on Sep 9, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

OT: But hilarious nonetheless.

Looking forward to the Kevin Kolb era.
5-8-10...the day the Purdue Boilermakers basketball team won the 2011 NCAA Championship!!

by EREX21 on Sep 9, 2010 12:17 PM EDT reply actions  

I know hes not a Phillies anymore but Keith Law had a nice piece on Kyle Drabek. Apparently his arm is getting stronger and hes adding more speed on his throws. Just needs to develop another pitch or so.

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by Ant on Sep 9, 2010 12:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Just needs to develop another pitch or so.

Isn’t this what a lot of so-called prospects fail on though? They never develop additional pitches of quality?

by SportingFanaticism on Sep 9, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

The vast majority of guys fail through lacking the ability to throw any good pitches at all. If a prospect develops the ability to throw one or two, he may or may not develop a third, but clearing the former hurdle increases one’s odds of overall success immensely and is therefore an extremely important development.

Drabek isn’t a sure thing at this stage, but he is a very valuable commodity. His odds of success are pretty high, and the payoff of successfully developing a cost-controlled pitcher, especially one with Drabek’s ceiling, is so enormous that Toronto should really be thrilled.

by taco pal on Sep 9, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Many a very good one or two pitch pitcher has made a wonderful career in the bullpen.

by Cormican on Sep 9, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, right, there’s that too.

by taco pal on Sep 9, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

And I’m not disputing that, just seemed that the ‘develop another pitch’ idea by the original poster seemed like an easy thing to do. Drabek ending up as a bulllpen pitcher would be a disappointment based on hype (and valuation) when he was traded, wouldn’t it?

by SportingFanaticism on Sep 9, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

you’d think so.

Anything short of a serviceable #3 starter would be a disappointment I’d think.

by Bilzo on Sep 9, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

You have to look at it in terms of probabilities.

A pitcher who has a great arm but hasn’t mastered any pitches maybe has odds of:
50% washout
20% serviceable reliever
15% very good reliever
10% serviceable starter
5% top of the line starter

A pitcher who has mastered 1-2 pitches and is working on a third maybe has odds of:
20% washout
25% serviceable reliever
20% very good reliever
20% serviceable starter
15% top of the line starter

I’m making those figures up, but I think they’re decent ballpark estimates. The point being that if a pitcher successfully graduates from Category A to Category B, that’s great news because it improves all the probabilities substantially. That it doesn’t eliminate the possibility of disappointment doesn’t change the fact that it’s great news. The possibility of disappointment has become much smaller.

by taco pal on Sep 9, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

no….he can throw a fast(er)ball too.

by Bilzo on Sep 9, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s just a knuckler he effed up

by j reed on Sep 9, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Unless Drabek has a Knuckler I don’t know about, this isn’t really applicable. I love the knuckler. The hardest pitch to master, but it takes the least physical talent to throw it.

by Cormican on Sep 9, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you had absolute mastery over a two-seamer you might be able to do it. It’s agreat pitch because you can get some sink and horizontal break. But it’s hard to contol, it has a mind of it’s own. Just ask AJ Burnett. When Maddux was a Cub in 2006 I saw him dominate the Cards one game throwing almost all two-seamers. It had such wicked late movement La Russa came out twice to ask the ump if he could look at the ball.

by j reed on Sep 9, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mariano Rivera has made a decent career with one pitch

by phatj on Sep 9, 2010 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Definitely. I just threw out Wakefield in jest to Cormican’s statement
“Many a very good one or two pitch pitcher has made a wonderful career in the bullpen”

by j reed on Sep 9, 2010 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Anybody See This?

Omar Minaya Flies Coach, Gets Heckled

Some pretty weak heckling in there, but I chuckled nonetheless. Why is Minaya flying coach? Things must really be tough in Queens these days.

Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est.

by doubleh on Sep 9, 2010 12:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Prolly wanted to avoid the better heckling you find in first class.

by phatj on Sep 9, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

More Links

So, Chris Leroux thinks Phillies fans are obnoxious
I remember saying I thought it was ballsy that the Fish hazed their rookies in Philly of all places—Leroux apparently did not like the taunting.

And another not so nice story about the Mets. I just don’t even know what to say about that one. Maybe the original quotes were in Spanish and just got lost in translation? I hope so, anyway.

Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est.

by doubleh on Sep 9, 2010 1:27 PM EDT reply actions  

I don’t really trust either that Crossing Broad guy or the NY Post.

by taco pal on Sep 9, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

It seems like NY is really out to play gotcha with that team now. I dislike much of the NY sports media; makes me really appreciate the Philly media, as bad as it is.

Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est.

by doubleh on Sep 9, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

The post is to print journalism what the larry king show is to legitimate television journalism

by SportingFanaticism on Sep 9, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

They should use that as an analogy in the SAT’s.

Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est.

by doubleh on Sep 9, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I heard they eliminated the analogies section from the SAT

by j reed on Sep 9, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really? Interesting. Wonder what it looks like nowadays.

Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est.

by doubleh on Sep 9, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

My girlfriend’s brother just took it. They put in a writing section and made the whole thing marginally harder. They also took out quantitative comparisons from the math section.

by ThinMountainAir on Sep 9, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would have LOVED a writing section. That was really more my strong suit. I did better on the AP English exam than in the English section of the SAT’s.

Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est.

by doubleh on Sep 9, 2010 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have handwriting that is kindly referred to as chicken scratch, i would have hated a writing section. I hated it on the MCATS, before I found out that it’s not really scored for content so much as formatting it properly as an essay and such nonsense that never made sense to me why it would matter that I could format an essay properly for med school (but at that point i had decided there was no way i wanted to go to med school and only took the test, hung over, cause i couldn’t get my money back)

by SportingFanaticism on Sep 9, 2010 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t see how you can call it a standardized test if it includes something that can only be judged subjectively.

by phatj on Sep 9, 2010 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not really—it’s really judged on other criteria. Formatting, intro paragraph, supporting paragraphs, formidable conclusion—things of that nature.

Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est.

by doubleh on Sep 9, 2010 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Which, Like I said, I find it asinine.

by SportingFanaticism on Sep 9, 2010 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t know. Most of my undergraduate degree (lit major) was writing papers. I took very few tests. There were a lot of students there who had no idea how to write a basic term paper. It’s shocking, really.

Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est.

by doubleh on Sep 9, 2010 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Then that’s a failure of the high school, the SAT’s writing portion is not so much grading your knowledge of your thought processes but your ability to format via elements of style?

by SportingFanaticism on Sep 9, 2010 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

When it comes to grading tests, math teachers must have it the easiest. English, humanities social scientist, philosphy teachers – it must take forever to read thru all those papers and essays.

by j reed on Sep 9, 2010 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s why god invented scantrons

by SportingFanaticism on Sep 9, 2010 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

So they have multiple choice philosphy exams?

by j reed on Sep 9, 2010 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Probably, and I bet they teach sense of humor.

Only ‘philosophy’ course I ever took was elementary logic which was all this symbol stuff, proving 2+2=4 was hard

by SportingFanaticism on Sep 9, 2010 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I took some philosophy courses in college and they were great—you would have loved them because there’s no right or wrong, really, and it’s all arguing all the time—but there’s really no practical use for them. My school just required 3 credits in philos/3 in religion.

Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est.

by doubleh on Sep 9, 2010 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well if you don’t consider strengthening your ability to think critically and argue intelligently practical, then you are right there is no practical use for them, or many of the courses on takes in college.

by SportingFanaticism on Sep 10, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, I meant practical in terms of creating a job out of them, but, yes, skills obtained in them are very practical. I was downplaying because everytime I’ve said how much I loved my philosophy courses, I’ve been met with backlash on what time wasters they are as courses.

Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est.

by doubleh on Sep 10, 2010 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

So what you’re saying is the SAT is to analogies what The Eagles are to Macho Harris.

by Cormican on Sep 9, 2010 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

HA! Evenmore HA cuz I really don’t do football but happened to be listening to the Eagles last year play Denver when the Macho Harris happened and just about cost them a game in which they had a substanial lead.

by j reed on Sep 9, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

That crossing broad guy is a real piece of shit.

Pessimism of the intellect, optimism of the will.

by FuquaManuel on Sep 9, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Worse than the dude who ran 4 Days Rest?

by ThinMountainAir on Sep 9, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is that still around?

by j reed on Sep 9, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, the domain name’s been suspended or something. Good. I hated that site.

by ThinMountainAir on Sep 9, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s good. Way too much frat house, and not very funny attempts at toilet humor.

by j reed on Sep 9, 2010 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Keith Law had an ESPN chat today and when asked about giving adam dunn 4 years / 55 million, said this

Forgive the tangent, but I love how the Phillies just backed up the truck for Howard two years before they had to, and yet still give Marti Wolever and his amateur scouting staff one of the smallest budgets for signing players every year. Where does ownership think all these good teenage prospects come from? How did they get Halladay and Oswalt? Oh, yeah, by trading the guys Wolever and his team drafted. They’ve done a great job the last three years, especially finding later values like Singleton and Cosart.

by SportingFanaticism on Sep 9, 2010 4:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Hopefull they can find the baseball leprechaun’s pot of star middle infielders again.

by j reed on Sep 9, 2010 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Further commentary

I heard the other day that the Phillies have traded 20+ prospects from their system in the last (roughly) two years – if true, it is amazing that their system is still in the shape it’s win. Wolever’s group has done really well and they’ve found some promising kids internationally while also dealing with a tiny budget.

by SportingFanaticism on Sep 9, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would like to see a ranking of draft signing budgets. Surely somebody out there must have this info compiled somewhere.

by taco pal on Sep 9, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cot’s or Phuture Phillies?

by j reed on Sep 9, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

This years draft budgets for some teams may have been out of the ordinary according to this guy

by SportingFanaticism on Sep 9, 2010 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m thinking along the lines of a historical database covering several years. Maybe Baseball America has something like this for subscribers.

by taco pal on Sep 9, 2010 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

An interesting point that has been raised by various agents and sports law scholars is based …..

I figured there would be sports law and sports lawyers but not sports law scholars – at least yet.

by j reed on Sep 9, 2010 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

well curt flood was 1970 right? That’s like 40 years just since that event. That’s long enough to have a scholar.

by SportingFanaticism on Sep 9, 2010 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks, but still can’t find it.

I’m not saying Keith Law is making stuff up, but I don’t trust him. He can be sloppy.

by taco pal on Sep 9, 2010 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed. I don’t think the Phillies have a high ceiling, but Law’s making it sound like the Wolever gets dollar store money and has to unearth hidden gems no one has ever heard of, while having to pay them all with dreams and promises. A little hyperbole going on here, I think.

by Cormican on Sep 9, 2010 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or in relation to other teams who hand out ludicrous contracts 2 years too soon to guys who probably won’t age well they are spending a lot less on the draft.

It wouldn’t surprise me to see them be a more middle of the pack draft spending team in relation to major league budget and market size, they seem more often to go for the slot then to bust the slot when ‘slot busters’ are available.

They’ve done well, but if they’ve done well on a restricted budget, imagine what a better allocation of funds (you know, less for over paying ryan howard and more for the draft) might or might not do.

by SportingFanaticism on Sep 9, 2010 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m perfectly open to arguments that the Phillies should spend a marginally larger percentage of their overall budget on signing amateurs, and a marginally smaller percentage of their overall budget on the big league payroll. My point is just that I would like to see a factcheck of Law’s statement that they have “one of the smallest budgets” for signing amateurs.

by taco pal on Sep 9, 2010 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ve seen comparisons of draft budgets before (probably on some Phuture Phillies draft recaps), but even those are somewhat apples-to-oranges because the teams with higher picks inevitably have to spend more to sign those guys. Now, the Phillies have had good spending years (2008) and bad spending years (2003), but generally speaking, they’re pretty middle-of-the-road.

Now, I’d certainly agree that the Phils should spend more on both the draft and in Latin America, as they’re middle-of-the-road both places while spending a significant chunk on major league payroll, but I don’t think the situation’s quite as dire as Law implies.

by PhillyFriar on Sep 9, 2010 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Middle of the road (say 15) when your market size is? and your payroll is x?

If your market is top 6 and your payroll is top 6 – why isn’t your draft spending commensurate with those things?

I’d probably look at it differently and not look at the top of the draft when evaluating the spending so much as the ‘slot buster’ guys who ended up going to the teams willing to bust slot lower in the draft. Maybe it doesn’t happen as much any more, but a second rounder with a million dollar bonus type?

by SportingFanaticism on Sep 9, 2010 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Those are reasonable points, but it isn’t what Law said. If that’s what Law meant, then he made a mistake and needs to make a correction.

It’s because of stuff like this that I don’t consider Law to be a reliable or trustworthy commentator.

by taco pal on Sep 9, 2010 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

In any event, market size is probably irrelevant here, because the amount of money that is spent on the draft is not primarily a function of overall ability/will/whatever to pay as it is a function of the relative weight that the team places on the big league payroll vs. the draft.

The right way to look at it would be: First, determine where the Phillies overall budget stands in comparison with their peers’, adjusted for market size. That measures ability/will/whatever to pay.

Then, separately, you would break it down by proportion of spending on major leagues vs. player signings. That would measure the relative priority they place on each area in comparison to other teams.

by taco pal on Sep 9, 2010 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Man, Rockies are smoking.

by taco pal on Sep 9, 2010 7:20 PM EDT reply actions  

And Cook broke his leg.

by j reed on Sep 9, 2010 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

1-0 Braves. Walks On Water drove in Infante who got to third on a two throwing errors on an groundball to short. 5 people are in the stands.

by j reed on Sep 9, 2010 7:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Did Pujols make two errors on the same play? WTF?

by taco pal on Sep 9, 2010 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

No. SS made an ill advised throw. Pujolis or who ever backed up first threw a strike to second which bounced of the guys glove and no one was covering 3rd. Beck"d

by j reed on Sep 9, 2010 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I see. Yahoo is confused.

by taco pal on Sep 9, 2010 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Game is on MLB Network.

by j reed on Sep 9, 2010 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I really don’t like seeing Derek Lee in a Braves uni.

by j reed on Sep 9, 2010 7:27 PM EDT reply actions  

He says as Lee crushes an opposite field 2 run shot. 3-0 Braves against effing Wainwright

by j reed on Sep 9, 2010 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Way to go, Wainwright.

by taco pal on Sep 9, 2010 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thank goodness the Braves have Melky. That guy is horrible.

by taco pal on Sep 9, 2010 7:32 PM EDT reply actions  

What was amazing is that the Yankess kept him aroound as long as they did.

by j reed on Sep 9, 2010 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

A few years ago when rumors of Abreu to the Yankees started to surface there were a lot of folks who wanted Melky in return. In retrospect, that might have been an upgrade, but it would look pretty bad now just the same.

by phatj on Sep 9, 2010 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

How would it have been an upgrade, even at the time?

by SportingFanaticism on Sep 9, 2010 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Upgrade relative to the haul we actually got for Abreu, not relative to Abreu himself. That was poorly phrased.

by phatj on Sep 9, 2010 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think he means that Melky Cabrera would have been an upgrade over Matt Smith, C.J. Henry, Carlos Monasterios and Jesus Sanchez. And I think he would have been right.

by PhillyFriar on Sep 9, 2010 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Feliz, first pitch’d single bring in a run. 3-1

by j reed on Sep 9, 2010 7:38 PM EDT reply actions  

And I was just about to rant about what a weak lineup this was.

by taco pal on Sep 9, 2010 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Schumaker HR? What the…

by taco pal on Sep 9, 2010 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cards threatening. Gonzalez got hit in the head by McCann’s failed attempt to pick off the man at second. B. Ryan knocks in two runs and then Shcummaker first pitch jack. 4-3

by j reed on Sep 9, 2010 7:43 PM EDT reply actions  

5-3, you meant.

Let’s hope Wainwright has gotten the crappiness out of his system.

by taco pal on Sep 9, 2010 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh. That’s cool. Like finding a 5 spot in the pocket of a jacket you haven’t worn all year.

by j reed on Sep 9, 2010 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

How’s the attendance look? Any better than before?

by taco pal on Sep 9, 2010 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

You know the way the crowd sounds at Marlins games like there’s alot of open space for sound to travel before hitting a solid object, that’s how many.

by j reed on Sep 9, 2010 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

So pathetic. It offends me as a fan of the sport.

by taco pal on Sep 9, 2010 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s especially offensive considering how long (in sports terms, relatively speaking) it’s been since the Braves were in the running for the title. I don’t want to hear this “Braves fans are from all over the country” crap. There are a crapton of people in Atlanta—the majority of them just don’t care for baseball. Period.

Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est.

by doubleh on Sep 9, 2010 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

This. (I lived in Georgia for 12 years).

Raul Ibanez: since Moyer is on the DL, he is fast becoming our favorite old guy.

Rooting against a certain LW for the Tampa Bay Lightning will be impossible.

by Bud in TN on Sep 10, 2010 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

What do you guys think of an AL Philly team? I think we’re the single biggest market with just one team. How would Philadelphia Royals sound?

by Nikk.m on Sep 9, 2010 7:50 PM EDT reply actions  

It would probably mean two mediocre teams instead of one good team.

by taco pal on Sep 9, 2010 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorta the prodigal son returns but the Royals recklessness is more in how they run their organization.

by j reed on Sep 9, 2010 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also, going by pure market size is slightly misleading. The Boston media market is 7th largest in the U.S., but the Red Sox’s reach extends far beyond the media market proper because of the amount of space between them and the nearest team, as well as the cohesiveness of New England as a region. Similarly, the Braves’ reach extends far beyond the Atlanta metro area since they’re the only team in the South and because they used to be on Turner. Philadelphia’s “out-of-market reach” is shorter than almost any other city’s in America.

by taco pal on Sep 9, 2010 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

As evidenced by the Braves, a team’s ’reach doesnt put any fannies in the seats.

by Nikk.m on Sep 9, 2010 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m just saying that a lack of reach is a limiting factor. Of course, having reach doesn’t mean you’ll be able to take advantage of it.

by taco pal on Sep 9, 2010 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

The ghost of Connie Mack comes home.

by j reed on Sep 9, 2010 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s the A’s, isn’t it?

by taco pal on Sep 9, 2010 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah but when the A’s left the went to Kansas City before Oakland.

by j reed on Sep 9, 2010 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Los Angeles only has one team

Anaheim has another team

by SportingFanaticism on Sep 9, 2010 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wainwright certainly seems to be getting ahead of everyone, at least.

by taco pal on Sep 9, 2010 7:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Bases loaded, noone out for da Cards. Jurrjens might not make it out of the third.

by Nikk.m on Sep 9, 2010 7:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Molina strikes out. Molina sucks.

by taco pal on Sep 9, 2010 8:01 PM EDT reply actions  

At hitting, I should clarify.

But don’t worry, everyone! We can count on Pedro Feliz to pick him up!

by taco pal on Sep 9, 2010 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

All I can say is I’m glad we have Polanco

by Nikk.m on Sep 9, 2010 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Popped out. Feliz sucks so bad.

by taco pal on Sep 9, 2010 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don’t miss that guy. At all.

Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est.

by doubleh on Sep 9, 2010 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

All he had to do was keep his glove on Damon….though let’s face it that was such a team crap yer pants fail.

by j reed on Sep 9, 2010 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well that was sort of a flukish thing. His main crime was his total inability to hit.

by taco pal on Sep 9, 2010 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh true but that image was burned into my optic nerve like the dead guy’s head in the the Wild Wild West movie

by j reed on Sep 9, 2010 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

He did just tie the game the inning before with a Homer.

by Nikk.m on Sep 9, 2010 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

2010 OPS of bottom-of-lineup Cardinals

Pedro Feliz – .528
Adam Wainwright – .489
Brendan Ryan – .563

Wainwright’s actually having an off-year though. If he were up to his normal standards this season (career .600) he’d be better than either of the other guys.

by taco pal on Sep 9, 2010 8:06 PM EDT reply actions  

losing Freese has really hurt them

by Nikk.m on Sep 9, 2010 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ryan isn’t actually a terrible hitter for shortstop — he’s had miserable BABIP luck this year — but yeah, that’s not exactly a fearsome end of the lineup.

by PhillyFriar on Sep 9, 2010 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s like co-ed softball.

by taco pal on Sep 9, 2010 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

He looks, at least all the times I’ve seen Cards play, like he’s allergic to fielding.

by j reed on Sep 9, 2010 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

He actually grades out really well by advanced defensive metrics, though he could very well look awkward doing it (the one or two times I’ve seen him play reinforce this notion in my mind).

by PhillyFriar on Sep 9, 2010 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jurrjens has been really good over the past month, a blip at Colorado aside, but he’s not catching any breaks tonight. Not pitching great, but a lot of hits and a total gopher ball home run.

by PhillyFriar on Sep 9, 2010 8:19 PM EDT reply actions  

Well, then Pujols just murdered a ball.

How’s that HR/FB% regression coming along, Jair?

by PhillyFriar on Sep 9, 2010 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

What was Skip Schumaker thinking on the prior play?

by taco pal on Sep 9, 2010 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t know. How close was the play at the plate going to be? I thought Melky was shallow when he caught, so it might’ve actually been a good play by Schumaker (knowing that Wainwright was on the mound, that is).

by PhillyFriar on Sep 9, 2010 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cardinals sweep would put them right back in the playoff hunt.

They’d be about 2-3 games back of the WC and 3-4 games back of the division, with 17 games to go.

by taco pal on Sep 9, 2010 8:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Sounds reminiscent of the Phillies in 2007 – except I think they were still 6-7 games back in the division. On the other hand, the Reds seem to be making a habit of getting swept in four-game series, so they don’t have anything locked up.

by phillyinportland on Sep 10, 2010 3:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good move Holliday. Up by 4 and your getting pissy about balls and strikes.

by j reed on Sep 9, 2010 8:28 PM EDT reply actions  

I was about to ask if he’d gotten hurt. Rung, I take it.

by taco pal on Sep 9, 2010 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pedro…roll over…good dog.

by j reed on Sep 9, 2010 8:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Jayson Stark Says

From his ESPN column Rumblings & Grumblings, 9/9/10:
“The Phillies, obviously, are a long ways from making any final decisions on what their lineup will look like without him {Werth}. But the likely plan is to give hot-shot rookie Domonic Brown most of the playing time in right — while complementing him with a right-handed-hitting fourth-outfielder type.
A couple of potential options for that role: Cody Ross or Jeff Francoeur, if they’re nontendered.”
Is he kidding?

by phillyinportland on Sep 10, 2010 3:13 AM EDT reply actions  

Unfortunately I don’t think he is, but hopefully it doesn’t reflect Amaro’s thinking. Ross may be ok for that role.

by schmenkman on Sep 10, 2010 3:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Jeff Francoeur a Phiilie – that would be so hilarious. It’d be like Pedro Feliz never left and had been converted into an outfielder.

by j reed on Sep 10, 2010 5:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

The thought makes me feel slightly ill.

Ross, annoying as his face is, would actually be a non-horrible bench signing at the right price. He’s better than Francoeur against both lefties and righties. And it’s not as if Francoeur’s face isn’t annoying too.

by taco pal on Sep 10, 2010 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

If Cody Ross becomes a Phillie, I will question my very existence. I know he could be helpful, but…?

Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est.

by doubleh on Sep 10, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Francoeur actually wouldn’t be a bad platoon player – he hits lefties fairly well. Problem is he’s been a full-time player his whole year and A) I’m not sure I trust him to take a platoon roll without griping and B) I’m not sure I trust Charlie not to play him against righties.

by phatj on Sep 10, 2010 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Mmm… platoon roll…

by taco pal on Sep 10, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Rice, avocado, and dogtags

by phatj on Sep 10, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

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