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Matt Gelb of the Inquirer confirms what Baseball America reported in their Phillies Top 10 prospects chat last month: that Phillippe Aumont, one of the prospects received from Seattle in the Cliff Lee deal, is headed back to the bullpen. This follows on the heels of a rough 2010 campaign as a starter, as Aumont posted a 7.43 ERA with a 38:38 K:BB in 49.2 Double A innings, before rebounding somewhat with a 4.48 ERA with 77:42 K:BB in 72.1 High A innings.

I'm generally of the belief that you shouldn't move a pitcher to the bullpen until he absolutely proves he can't hack it in the rotation, but I'm not totally against this move for Aumont. "He wants to relieve. He feels comfortable relieving," said assistant general manager Chuck LaMar, and it sounds like that (rightfully) played a big part in the decision.

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I was actually thinking of working a “(sorry TP)” into the piece.

by PhillyFriar on Jan 13, 2011 10:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed. I dont’ think his numbers were as bad as his ERA looked.

by EJL on Jan 14, 2011 9:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Why? Not everyone has the uncanny proportions of fast twitch to slow twitch muscle fiber you’ll need to be a starter. Same for fighters or hockey players. Some people are sprinters, others workhorses.

by j reed on Jan 14, 2011 4:39 PM EST up reply actions  

That’s fine. I’m not saying being a reliever is bad. Just that being a starter, all other things being equal, is better. And maybe all other things are not equal, like you say. But that option should be fully exhausted before it’s abandoned.

by taco pal on Jan 14, 2011 4:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, it just may be that in Aumont’s mind and in Chuck “it’s Headley” LaMar’s mind it has been fully exhausted. I don’t agree, but I also won’t argue that those two likely know a hell of a lot more than me.

by Cormican on Jan 14, 2011 5:25 PM EST up reply actions  

And, as I tried to say above, I don’t think you can underestimate the weight that Aumont thinking the starter route is exhausted has on the situation. At some point, if he thinks he’s a reliever, you can’t force him to be a starter.

by PhillyFriar on Jan 14, 2011 8:35 PM EST up reply actions  

That’s true, of course.

I just wonder – and admittedly this is all speculation – how much of Aumont’s thinking is based on his own desire to be a reliever, and how much of it might just be motivated by a loss of confidence from the times he struggled last year. If the latter, I think the appropriate move would be to encourage him and help him rebuild his confidence. But whatever – what’s done is done.

by taco pal on Jan 14, 2011 11:50 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s possible that letting him start as a reliever to build his confidence would allow him to transition back to starting. I’m no pshrink, but weirder things have happened.

Honor is no substitute for victory.

by The Dark on Jan 15, 2011 12:27 AM EST up reply actions  

It’s not about good or bad, equal or unequal. It’s about being different – physiological and anatomicalyl different.
They shouldn’t need to fully exhaust anything. They should know by now. Using attrition to make this determination is wasteful and delays the proper training taliored to the athlete needs.

by j reed on Jan 14, 2011 5:32 PM EST up reply actions  

whoops that should read

It’s not about good or bad, equal or unequal. It’s about being different – physiologically and anatomically different.
They shouldn’t need to fully exhaust anything. They should know by now. Using attrition to make this determination is wasteful and delays the proper training taliored to the athlete’s needs.

by j reed on Jan 14, 2011 5:36 PM EST up reply actions  

I dunno about this. Starters come in all shapes and sizes. Relievers come in all shapes and sizes. No way to know for sure what you are unless you try.

by taco pal on Jan 14, 2011 5:36 PM EST up reply actions  

 There might be some anatomical issues that could cause an pitcher to generate fatigue because they are biomechanically inefficient, but mostly, in terms of relievera, it’s a question of fast twitch to slow twitch muscle fibers which is a nuanced determination unless you want to do a muscle biopsy. Don’t get me wrong, it’s not that I don’t think he could be made into a starter but that it might not be what he’s best suited for and as such it might be counterproductive in terms of time spent training- he’d be losing more of his most physiologically viable years to do something he was genetically less capable of from the start. And I’m not adverse to trying but the determination shouldn’t rely on attrition as it’s primary investigative method.

by j reed on Jan 14, 2011 6:38 PM EST up reply actions  

fate

I guess I’m not too upset about this. It seemed inevitable, and it’s not like there’s a real dearth of starting pitching talent in the low minors right now.

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by WholeCamels on Jan 14, 2011 8:42 AM EST reply actions  

don’t…..understand…. funny…. picture….reply

by Boundforbeach on Jan 14, 2011 12:20 PM EST up reply actions  

what he said

http://www.thegoodphight.com

by WholeCamels on Jan 14, 2011 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Sorry.. every time I read inevitable.. Pops into my head. :)

by EJL on Jan 16, 2011 12:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Good

Phils made a mistake here and hopefully this puts Aumont back to being a useful bullpen piece down the road (say late ’12 or early ’13). Wasted a year of his development time.

by MG77 on Jan 14, 2011 1:22 PM EST reply actions  

I wouldn’t go that far. Moving Aumont back to the rotation was absolutely the right thing to do, regardless of what role he was ultimately going to wind up in.

Of course, changing his arm slot and fastball grip is actually going to set his development back a bit.

by PhillyFriar on Jan 14, 2011 8:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Didn’t he he have “big guy” delivery issues. Perhaps that’s why they changed his arm slot, As to his fastball grip, is he learning to throw a sinker or two seamer?

by j reed on Jan 15, 2011 2:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Doesn’t matter, they told him to go back to his old arm slot and drop the changed grip.

by Cormican on Jan 15, 2011 1:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Good. Dude found a home finally.

by j reed on Jan 14, 2011 4:05 PM EST reply actions  

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